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09/19/04 at 06:43:37
 
hello all! I discussed on MSN a lot of these straightboosts and i saw, that some people have WR's on BC 1 for example, and haven't submitted it yet, cuz they are against straightboosts, cuz it should destroy the gaming.
What is your opinion about that?
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Reply #1 - 09/19/04 at 07:18:48
 
Should be outlawed! But I'm only saying that cos I don't have a clue how they're done ???

For racing I think anything should go, but I'm not sure about time trialling. Best thing is probably to say if bossts have been used to get your time that way you can compare how fast people are with and without boost.
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Reply #2 - 09/19/04 at 07:34:17
 
The time trial competition on the Players' Site is just going through the track the fastest way possible, other than glitchs and tricks and stuff like that. When doing straightboosts, you're going through the "normal" track.
My opinion on this is that it'd be okay. Karters who'd do it would probably make a lot of active karters unhappy and frustrated, probably because their previous WRs or PRs will lose all their meaning for other people and/or upcoming karters. They probably won't get the respect or recognition they would deserve. The Non-NBT site is a sort of solution to that.

I don't think saying that straightboosts are going to destroy the gaming is right. It's gonna be a new whole thing of course but wasn't it the same thing with NBTs? But straightboosts are really hard to get and I'm not sure a lot of people are gonna get successfull results before a long time.

All that aside, you're on PAL so I don't really care if you post times with straightboosts. But if a was a Palie, now knowing that some of my times would get beat by others but they don't post them, I'd feel bad and less proud of my accomplishment. So I'd say that those who have accomplished WRs with straightboosts should send them without waiting.
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Reply #3 - 09/20/04 at 03:01:52
 
I decided not to submit my WR's on BC1, because I don't like competition to go that way.
The only way to beat such a time is to perform straightboosts so there is no way back from there really  Undecided

One of the reasons I don't like it is that you have to practically squeeze your pad and your fingers to do it to gain a "massive" (NOT) amount of 0.04-0.08 a lap.  Roll Eyes


It's just not worth it
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Reply #4 - 09/20/04 at 06:01:37
 
I totally agree with Karel ! We told about that on MSN, and I was afraid to envisage a Parkinson's competition ! Grin Undecided
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Reply #5 - 09/20/04 at 14:11:02
 
I feel that if you want to post your straight-boost times, then go right ahead! Because, like Martin said, you're trying to get the fastest times possible without using tricks/glitches (even though it might discourage people from racing). But, if you don't want to post your times then I think that's a generous thing to do Smiley

By the way, what were your WRs, Karel? I'm curious 8)
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Reply #6 - 09/20/04 at 21:13:36
 
somebody has a video of one of these boosts?
??? ??? ???
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Reply #7 - 09/20/04 at 21:38:44
 
somebody has a video of one of these boosts?
??? ??? ???
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Reply #8 - 09/20/04 at 23:22:12
 
If I remember right, then the BC 1 f-lap WR would be 17,44!!!!!  

I have the same opinion like Martin and Chris by the way! It is unbelievable for me to have a WR and you dont send it! well, but it is not my decision so...

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Reply #9 - 09/20/04 at 23:38:48
 
This Japanese emulator video shows a straight-boost after the 1st turn on Lap 4:
Mario Circuit 1 - Training.mpg
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Reply #10 - 09/21/04 at 01:23:43
 
OK from looking at that video, straighboosts look fine to me. But all that cutting the corner crap and not losing time through the sand has to be a glitch in the game and shouldn't be allowed.
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Reply #11 - 09/21/04 at 01:30:33
 
It's allowed at the SMK Players' Site, but it's not allowed at the Non-NBT Players' Site Smiley
But I don't think straight-boosts would be allowed at the Non-NBT site since they're a form of zig-zag boost.
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Reply #12 - 09/21/04 at 02:13:15
 
Alimo   wrote on 09/21/04 at 01:23:43:
OK from looking at that video, straighboosts look fine to me. But all that cutting the corner crap and not losing time through the sand has to be a glitch in the game and shouldn't be allowed.


those sand boosts were revealed on a nintendo sponsored tv show in japan in 1992.  if anyone can understand the asm code, he can tell us if they're glitches.  but maybe they're glitches that the programmers knew were there but couldn't prevent against.
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Reply #13 - 09/21/04 at 02:52:27
 
Well it just seems to me that the sand was put there for the sole reason of slowing you down if you make a mistake. I mean you can't even cross it with a star without losing speed. I would assume that nintendo found out that this could be done and were happy to have it revealed, thus giving everyone an even chance. I just think the game should be played in the way it was intended without using (probably) unitentional things like this for an advantage.

Having said that I can also understand the point that if its in the game, use it. I just don't agree with that.

Not to worry though, I'm just covering my ass cos I'm never going to get a world record and I can state the above reason! Wink
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Reply #14 - 09/21/04 at 03:40:27
 
That's why the the Non-NBT site exists Smiley
While boosting through sand/grass/etc. may seem "forbidden", I hope you'll give it a try one day because it's a whole new experience of driving through a race Cheesy
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Reply #15 - 09/21/04 at 05:03:10
 
Hi,

Yes, any form of boosting, even straightboosts can be done on the SMK players site. The Non-NBT site is there mainly for those that want little or nothing to do with boosting.

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Reply #16 - 09/21/04 at 05:42:16
 
Fair play. I've nothing against other people doing it. I have tried (and failed) to do it out of interest but don't think I'd want to use it for any competetive advantage.

Is this a big contentious issue between karters? I.E. do some non- NBT people ignore the NBT? or is it just an accepted difference of opinion? Interested to know.

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P.S. I should probably stop going on about it as I'm sure this has been discussed many times before! Grin
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Reply #17 - 09/21/04 at 06:48:44
 
Well I think most NBT users appreciate Non NBT records a lot too, but somehow I don't always get the feeling that goes the other way around too  Undecided Smiley
(looking casually in Raphaels and Simons direction here  Wink)

Offroad boosting for me is acceptable because you can actually win huge amounts with it fairly easily once you're getting into it. (So it's fun to do, yet requires good kartcontrol to pull off)
However straightboosting is just silly and not fun to play whatsoever. It's very difficult and pain inducing (squeezing pads and fingers) to gain very very tiny amounts of time (around 0.02-0.04 each straightboost)

The reason I did not submit those WR's is because it wasn't necesarry yet (I have the WR's without straightboosts anyway, and just don't want competition to really go that way). If anyone beats my WR's using SB's I will of course submit them at some point, but that was the whole idea of me doing them at the time.
To cover myself from any eventual attacks (with SB's) on the current WR's (1'28"65-17"55) that were done without.

Btw. my SB flap is slower than 17"44 Armin  Tongue
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Reply #18 - 09/21/04 at 09:10:29
 
Karel, whats your GV1 time without boosts and platform jump?
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Reply #19 - 09/21/04 at 09:36:17
 
1'07"40 and 13"37  Cheesy

Sami trashes that though

1'07"10 and 13"33  Shocked
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Reply #20 - 09/21/04 at 12:18:27
 
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Well I think most NBT users appreciate Non NBT records a lot too, but somehow I don't always get the feeling that goes the other way around too    
(looking casually in Raphaels and Simons direction here  )


Well, the main conflict for me back before the Non-NBT site existed was the fact that the Non-NBT times were holding no more real meaning. Giving them the recognition that I thought they deserved was what I was in favour of and fighting for, and now that this is achieved, there's pretty much nothing I can complain about. I don't want to convince anyone that they should be playing in a particular way, and I'm just very glad that most players seem to give both of the competitions a similar importance. As far as I'm concerned, however, it is true that I remain mostly uninterested into competing with the NBT techniques, but that's because it is simply not what I'm looking for in the game, and that's just me.
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Reply #21 - 09/21/04 at 21:55:07
 
Fair enough  Cheesy

I compete in both, the way I look at it it's twice the amount of fun to be had from one game  8)
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Reply #22 - 09/22/04 at 01:34:27
 
Karel   wrote on 09/21/04 at 09:36:17:
1'07"40 and 13"37  Cheesy

Sami trashes that though

1'07"10 and 13"33  Shocked


Cool, that gives me something to aim for. I'm currently at 1'07'85 and 13'47
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Reply #23 - 09/24/04 at 11:26:16
 
how can you do straightboosts in PAL? are you mad ? all these hurt only for 0"02 -0"08 Roll Eyes

i dont like straightboost , (like in MK64)

but you can post your times, i dont care  Wink
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Reply #24 - 09/24/04 at 21:46:32
 
SeB   wrote on 09/24/04 at 11:26:16:
how can you do straightboosts in PAL? are you mad ? all these hurt only for 0"02 -0"08 Roll Eyes


Exactly  Tongue
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