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Re: Favourite Karters Tornament
Reply #100 - 09/02/04 at 08:42:51
 
I hope you mean *Tory*, Paul, because Trystan is already in there.  Tongue
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Reply #101 - 09/02/04 at 08:47:49
 
Hey Ngamer, thanks for posting your comments here.

Ngamer   wrote on 09/01/04 at 17:40:25:
Lower the # of matches per day as the rounds progress.  Wow, 128 contestants?  This should be interesting, as I've never seen this type of contest pulled off with more than 64 before.  Going 4 matches a day in the early going is a good idea, sure... but you really ought to scale that back as the tourney continues and the matches grow more popular and exciting.  By the time you're down to the Sweet 16 (or at the VERY least the Elite 8), it really should be just one matchup per day.


Yes, after round 2 it will definitely be 1 match a day. Or maybe 2 matches a day for the last 32, if it's going to be a poule system instead of a knockout in that round. But round "last 16" will definitely be 1 match a day.

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Allow voting over AIM.  Let's face it:  people are lazy.  ...
Tanney, if you don't have broadband and wouldn't be able to stay online all day, I would strongly suggest that you find someone who can, to help you share the vote-collecting burden.  ...


We used email instead of AIM because voting over AIM would be complicated, since Tanney can't leave his comp on 24h/day. And having someone else collect votes might result in delays in getting the results ready.
But maybe there should be some solution for it. We'll think about it.

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Create a matchup/results topic.  And don't let anyone post in it, other than those involved in that day's matchup.  This is the way we've done things, and it just works so wonderfully on so many levels.  First, it's a single location for people to check the entire history of the Contest up to that point, as well as find out the very latest news.  But secondly, it's the perfect place for the contestants to make their own "campaign speech" and try to win votes, without spamming the board the death with new topics.  Back at our 64-man only Elite, where everybody knows everybody already, these speeches weren't all that useful in persuading.  But with 128 users, from across three different communities, I could see a few words here and there swinging plenty of votes.


Some interactiveness and some way for people to promote theirselves is also on our "to do list". We're going to post the latest results of the contest on the site though. Not in a messageboard topic.
But I have some more messageboard ideas. I'll talk to mark about it.


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Make the matchups highly visible.  Oh boy, here's a tough one.  There's no way everyone will have the time/ambition to keep them updated across 3 main pages. ..  What I did was to just keep things up to date on the top of our message boards, but I'm not sure that, with this system and these Mods/Admins, that's going to be an option.  But certainly it's worth looking into.


Don't worry about that. It's the first thing we took care of when planning this contest. No matter how hard you try... the matchups of the day will be impossible to miss.   :)

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Allow people to predict how things are going to turn out.  A hightened level of interest is anyways created when you know that, heading into an especially important matchup, your "bracket is on the line," as we say.  wheat knows what I'm talking about.  But, I wouldn't worry about this just yet...  it would work best if you run through the first round, get it down to 64 players, and when that's over, take a short break.  In that time (maybe 2/3 days), the 64 could be seeded based on their performance into a classic March Madness-style bracket.  Then you could enter that bracket into bracketmaker, and have an automatic prediction system already in place.

Just a thought, and I realize it would take a little extra work, but I can pretty much guarentee it would pay off many times over in the end.


Well, for me, it didn't make a difference if i had a prediction bracket up or not. My interest int he contest was as big in 2003 (with prediction bracket) as it was in 2004 (no prediction bracket). And doesn't such a bracket system cause people to send their votes more to the people in their own bracket, instead of to people they really support?
If someone can find the time to create an account at bracketmaker, it could be useful I guess. For me it's not worth the time though.
Maybe it's an idea just to let people post different kind of predictions in some messageboard topic, instead of using bracketmaker?


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However, that doesn't really help me from being concerned about potential downfalls here. I hope we get some kind of bracket (or additional seeding within group 1) when it hits 64/32. Otherwise, I fear that we'll be looking at a lot of group 1 vs group 1 battles, which could easily eliminate someone that should go deep into the tournament.


Don't worry. There will be additional seeding when the contest hits last 32. The remaining 32 players will get seeded 1-32, based on their scores in the first 2 rounds.
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Re: Favourite Karters Tornament
Reply #102 - 09/02/04 at 08:47:55
 
Nah I think you should put in that freaky toad bloke from a while back...that crazy guy who used the birdo kart...either him or little jimmy horner..or perhaps that troy waters fellow
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Reply #103 - 09/02/04 at 09:04:34
 
Oh and one obvious oversight... I didn't see ThugPassion anywhere in the lists.   Angry Wink Lips Sealed
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Reply #104 - 09/02/04 at 10:19:15
 
Ok, since we had David Lalo in the list twice, we removed "David Cowman" from group 3, Brent Wingert was moved from group 4 to group 3. Tory Waters was added to group 4.
Btw, the draw for 1st round has just been drawn. Paul will announce it soon.  Smiley
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Reply #105 - 09/02/04 at 10:28:06
 
Smiley Thanks guys.
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Reply #106 - 09/02/04 at 10:47:10
 
congrats Tory......u probably would have been in it if you were talking on here at all when they were commin up with the tourney (like u said......couldn't leave the best girl karter out)  Tongue Wink
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Reply #107 - 09/02/04 at 11:10:08
 
you should of moved john five to group 3 for pointing out the mistake Angry
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Reply #108 - 09/02/04 at 11:36:01
 
lol Five......looks like Michael just lost a vote  Wink
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Reply #109 - 09/02/04 at 11:42:38
 
nah i'll stay down in group 4 with the dregs of the kart society..which begs me to ask the question..if this is for most popular karter why arent all the karts spread out into all the groups equally instead?
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Reply #110 - 09/02/04 at 11:51:15
 
gingerscot   wrote on 09/02/04 at 05:06:30:
No vote for you then Ian........blackmailer Angry Wink


You're not meant to tell me things like that, this means no vote for you then Wink (at least remain anonymous if quoting that comment Grin)
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Reply #111 - 09/02/04 at 12:25:27
 
Well I'm flattered to be in the tournament, thanks guys Grin
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Reply #112 - 09/02/04 at 15:52:34
 
Mark Jones   wrote on 09/02/04 at 13:14:49:
Contest moderators, and contest moderators only, will officially announce the matchups and results in this topic. So if you are not a mod or do not have the authorative blessing to post in lieu of a mod... please do not post in this topic. All violators will suffer public defenestration and be forced to proofread a paper written by Jeff G.


lol...thats a hell among itself, id rather play baby park for eternity, with the music on full blast. Since daft ass pobre already violated the rule by posting in that topic whats his punishment?
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Reply #113 - 09/02/04 at 16:01:27
 
His punishment is that he is POBRE. Isn't that bad enough?
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Reply #114 - 09/02/04 at 16:40:41
 
lol...Good Point
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Reply #115 - 09/03/04 at 09:50:21
 
Contest will start soon just uploading the fixtures.
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Reply #116 - 09/03/04 at 10:45:07
 
hahaha

http://www.mariokart64.com/karterscontest/fixtures.htm

It's been fixed!!  I'm against an updater Angry  Ian your going down  Wink

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edit:  Poor old Prentice has got john five aswell Roll Eyes
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Reply #117 - 09/03/04 at 15:48:16
 
I am wondering...
Is this just a contest to the final, where the winner is 1st, then the loser of final is 2nd, then the semifinal losers are 3rd, quarter final losers all tied for 4th.......
or an idea I had thought up- loser of final is 2nd of course, then we decide between the losers of earlier rounds?

My idea was:
After the contest is concluded, loser of final is automatically ranked #2.  We have a new set of fixtures posted for the two losers of the semifinal, and we vote on them- winner gets #3, loser #4.  Then a set of fixtures for quarterfinal losers- in order of votes for positions 5, 6, 7, 8, and in this one each person votes for 2 of the candidates.  (That's so we don't have like 10, 10, 7, 5 but instead 21, 20, 14, 11- prevents ties)  Then for the previous round, places 9-16 in order of votes, and each person votes for 4 candidates.  Then before that, places 17-32, and each person votes for 8.  So on and so forth, we can go as far back as we think.

What do you say?
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Reply #118 - 09/03/04 at 16:11:43
 
it sounds good because everyone would get a rank, but it would also take a lot of extra time, and it would be kinda anti-climatic.  the final battle would decide who gets 65th place or something like that.  but maybe Michael and Tanney can figure out a way to work it in during the rest of the tournament.
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Reply #119 - 09/03/04 at 17:09:11
 
well... you can have the 3rd vs. 4th place match right before the final 1 vs 2 match... that's what they did in the elite.net tournament... i'd say we should be happy with a "final 8" and the top 4 people having order from 1 to 4.
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Reply #120 - 09/03/04 at 17:11:13
 
it would be a very bad idea for everyone to get a rank.  Not to mention time consuming.
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Reply #121 - 09/03/04 at 17:25:19
 
I concur. Mark's idea of having the top 4 ranked might b interesting though.
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Reply #122 - 09/04/04 at 15:01:48
 
Is the contest going on now?

If not when will it start?
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Reply #123 - 09/04/04 at 17:08:09
 
Hey, thanks for the replies.  As far the AIM issue goes, I'm just going to repeat myself and say that I really feel every effort should be made to keep that option open for potential voters.  As far as having that delay results, in the case of having an AIM vote collector and an e-mail vote collecter, I don't think it would have to...  For instance, the secondary collector (let's say it's the AIM guy) could have his own spreadsheet saved on his desktop, keeping it updated all day.  Then, assuming both he and Mr. E-mail share FTP access somewhere, he could just pull that over to his FTP client and have it uploaded 10 minutes before the end of each match, keeping his partner informed of any late-late votes that come in the final seconds.

OR, better yet, Mark Jones could write a really simple Updater script that only the two collectors would have access to.  It would automatically update the new total score each time either of the guys would enter in a new vote and, since there'd be a spot to enter the name of the voter, we could be sure of having no duplicates, as well as results in real time.  Perhaps the up to the minute results could even be displayed at the top of the message boards, GameFAQs-style.  Talk about creating interest!  What say you to that, TOC?

Another thing I thought of, as I looked over the new matchups page...  In what order are you planning on running these polls?  Because I have an idea that you'll easily be able to keep voter interest at a high level, if you were to run two 1 VS 4 matchups together with two 2 VS 3 matchups each day.  Those 1/4s just seem a whole lot more exciting to me, as each of them contains a really big name in the world of Karting, or else just a decent name who might have been overseeded... in which case a stunning upset becomes a real possibility.  A majority of the 2/3s seem a tad on the dull side, by comparision.  Sure, many more should be close, but you just don't have the big names necessary to draw in those huge vote totals.

But hey, as I've said, I'm sure you'll end up doing what you think is best for your Contest.  I can say that I like that it's not being rushed right into, as I can only assume that careful preparations are going on in the background.
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Reply #124 - 09/05/04 at 05:42:02
 
Why wouldn't the AIM collector simply send an e-mail to the e-mail collector with the votes?

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