DaveJL   wrote on 08/06/04 at 08:55:12:


don't mess up things, I said before without cheating, and action replay is cheating, the SC is just a glitch in the game that everybody can get without any other thing.

Moritz

What!!!

Not an SC cuz it's a glitch?? Firstly, u don't even know that it's a glitch. And saying the definition of a sc is a shorter route that you don't think they intended is just funny There's no way to know for sure since most of the programmers not only probably don't remember, but don't care either. Besides a shorter route that requires decent skill and only cuts off about 2 secs a lap is most likely something they did catch.
Anything that anybody can do consistently, without modding, isn't cheating. Plain and simple And assuming it wasn't intended and therefore shoudln't be allowed only complicates things.

Ian   wrote on 08/06/04 at 09:30:31:


Even more ridiculous. Weather or not 100% of karters can do it doesn't matter. 100% of karter can't do the DKM or BC sc's either. What's important is that it's possible to do 100% of the time.

Matt B   wrote on 08/06/04 at 09:34:27:


I never said that  ??? They did intend the DKM/BC SC I presume (that's why the staff ghost uses the BC one) so that statement above doesn't make any sense  

EDIT: If you referring to a glitch then the one in WS is not a case of it being a shorter route, it's quite simply that you are put on a different part of the course by Lakitu and completely skip parts of the track which you're supposed to go through (this isn't the same as the DKM SC).

DaveJL   wrote on 08/06/04 at 11:16:50:


And what's the problem with it? many players already have sc time 'cause almost all the other sites use it, and we're just in the 1st year of the site, it wouldn't be a problem do change it now, imagine it, 5 years has passed, and the site still is non-sc at ws, and a new player discover the site but has been played the game for a long time, and of course the sc would not be any secret and hard after 5 years, so the guy came to the site and see that he has to play the WS without the sc and take note of it, terrible, but if someone came with a non-sc time and the site is accepting the sc, it would not be a problem to the guy because he just would send his non-sc time and improve his time getting the sc later when he saw it (probably this guy didn't know the glitch because I don't think when someone find it he'll not use it).

Moritz

Well, the WS SC will NEVER be included in the non-shortcut standings... regardless of what other sites do. However I see no problem counting it as a seperate record along with any other future SCs.

The point is the WS SC was very clearly not intentional, regardless of how easy some people think that it is to perform, and therefore it must be treated as a shortcut and not included in the non-shortcut standings and statistics. That is how this site will handle it and if you disagree with the site's policy then you have the right not to submit your times. No amount of bickering or complaining will result in a change of policy.

If there was a seperate chart for SC times, it would atleast clear up the discreptancy for future karters.....and some current ones too I think.

actually i think there should be a shortcut section like for WS and DM.

Ian   wrote on 08/06/04 at 12:45:10:


you said it Ian !

it is a glitch so it shouldn't be allowed

Following on from the new vids thread with Paul posting his WS 3-lap effort, is Stefan's 1'40"7 vid anywhere? Would love to see it.

Yeah noticed on your vid the 3rd lap is 0.4 slower than your 2nd lap (perhaps you have to take certain parts wider due to the positions of the piranha plants varying).

I am glad that the WS sc wont be included in the non-sc charts, although if there is enough opposition I think maybe there should be a poll.
In my opinion a seperate chart should be made with the sc allowed (like the old site).