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Getting Red  shells  
07/26/04 at 03:32:36
 
I dont understand why my friend gets so many more red shells than me when he is chasing me in GP than when Im chasing him. Often we both use one of the toad and koopa characters but that never balances it self out. the only other differences are i use the wagon train and he uses toads kart. I powerslide a lot more as well is the computer picking on me ?.
Any thoughts gentlemen.........
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Reply #1 - 07/26/04 at 03:33:53
 
GP is all about luck get yourself into time trial mate.
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Reply #2 - 07/26/04 at 04:09:39
 
no its not, the game was amde that way even mk64 and the other kart were made that way, so that the people in 4th and 3rd place get more better weapons. I think it is better this way as it gives the shitter people a chance plus also makes the race alot more interesting.

A good tactic I use is to purposely not get a turbo start so that I am last and that way i cna get a better weapon, but because it is only the start of the race it is fairly easy to go ahead and also ahve say a red shell or mushroom handy too.
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Reply #3 - 07/26/04 at 06:13:07
 
how'd you guys do on zbattle this morning?  he was saying his friend gets more reds when he's in second place.  i believe it would be pretty rotten to offer the faster character worse items.  i think we have a case in that you pay more attention when he gets reds while you are in front.  make a tally for every red you and he get.  the results won't match in the beginning, but the probability will approach 50% as the matches increase.  that's the way these things work.  if you notice the probability approaching 35% or so after 10 matches, you'll have a case.
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Reply #4 - 07/26/04 at 07:04:54
 
I've noticed three things when it comes to getting better items, don't quote me on them for being true, its just what I’ve seen from my game experience. Sometimes It has a lot to do with the distance between 1st and 2nd place. The farther you are the better the item. Also Unless you really need the item at that exact moment let the roulette stop itself, it seems if you let it go on its own to the end you will always get a better item. This one also is not proven, but if you notice some of the item boxes spin at some times and others don’t. Vice versa. When I noticed that one day I tried purposely for the spinning ones and it may have been luck by me stopping the roulette, but I got great items almost every time. But i wouldnt trust that one unless you try it for yourself and get good results
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Reply #5 - 07/26/04 at 08:58:55
 
I think Duff was on to something. The game takes a number of things into consideration, but there's also some degree of randomness. Your friend may get more red shells in second, but he probably spends more total time in second than you. For some reason if you spent the first two laps in first and then get passed (for whatever reason Angry) you still get shit items. So unless you want to hang back and spend as much time in second as your friend, you'll have to become an expert on dodging 'em.

Also if you're in first most of the time, Toad is useless. You want Diddy Kong. U can still get lots of big bananas in first, and they're great for slowin ppl down, and they kill red shells too Wink.
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Reply #6 - 07/26/04 at 11:55:17
 
Toad isn't useless he makes a good catch-up player and for some reason you will get golden mushrooms in first occasionally...I always use diddy and toad, like matt said big bananas are the ultimate defense for blocking shells and placing them in places your opponent will surely run into them. You just have to make sure you have your defensive character always in back when you’re in first and vice versa when in last. Also if you get a red shell in first place and someone has three shells and they shoot them all at you at once, don't block the first one, hang on to it until you get hit and then when they pass you shoot it.
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Reply #7 - 07/26/04 at 12:34:27
 
John Five   wrote on 07/26/04 at 07:04:54:
I've noticed three things when it comes to getting better items, don't quote me on them for being true, its just what I’ve seen from my game experience. Sometimes It has a lot to do with the distance between 1st and 2nd place. The farther you are the better the item.


That's actually true.  I've noticed this when seeing how much of a head start I can give my opponents and still when in GP mode.  If you're two laps behind or something you get insane items.
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Reply #8 - 07/26/04 at 13:23:55
 
John Five   wrote on 07/26/04 at 11:55:17:
Toad isn't useless he makes a good catch-up player and for some reason you will get golden mushrooms in first occasionally...I always use diddy and toad


I've never gotten a golden mush in first with Toad. Even on frantic 4 player vs with friends.....not denying it's possible though. I usually like diddy and bowser jr with 'em though.....nothin more satisfyin  then someone getting hit by one of those monster shells and bitchin about it Grin
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Reply #9 - 07/26/04 at 15:04:23
 
Cowman   wrote on 07/26/04 at 12:34:27:
That's actually true.  I've noticed this when seeing how much of a head start I can give my opponents and still when in GP mode.  If you're two laps behind or something you get insane items.


i don't think the game can measure how far you are behind on the same lap cause the game doesn't take splits within a lap.  it can keep track of:
1)when the last time you ran over an item box which can relate to above(10 seconds ago, a minute ago?)
2)the place you are in
3)if you and your opponent are on different laps when you run over an item  (see 5)
4)if you got a good item at the last box
5)which item location you are at/which item location your opponent is at (item boxes near the end of lap 3 might yield better items)

i'm not too sure about 4.  i think 1 might be taken into account.
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Reply #10 - 07/26/04 at 17:01:09
 
You seem to have spend a lot of time on this Duff Wink
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Reply #11 - 07/27/04 at 01:13:38
 
Yes Toad and Toadette can get super orange mushroom in 1st, but it happens very very rarely. I honstly cant think of a better combination than Paratroopa and Diddy, Paratroopa is a good catch up character Diddy is by far the best defender. however my friend is ace at dodging red shells, sometimes I shoot 3 at him in quick succession and he dodges them all, i remember one time in particular on the last straight on Mushroom Bridge, I was close behind him and I got Paratroopa's (or Koopas) 3 red shells special item on the last item boxes, I immediately fired all at him straight after each other and by looking at my screen he swerved out of the way, with some classy MTs and they flew straight past him, earning him a 1st place.
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Reply #12 - 07/27/04 at 08:06:35
 
Hey, just tried GP with Diddy and BJ.....and got my ass handed to me. I usually play GP with Toad and Koopa cuz they're my fav. But when I started droppin bananas for Petey-Pain-in-my-ass behind me it was like a blue shit storm, and God forbid I dodge one or the lightning gods would make me answer for it. Angry
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Reply #13 - 07/27/04 at 08:25:32
 
you probably got  beat because you had no catch up player, i hate that goddamn fucking pirahana...no matter how many times i punish him..he seems to be right back in it with that damn smile on his face..im telling you man...try diddy/toad..i never lose with those guys..i've gotten at least 3 straight 150cc 160 point all cups with them, but mirrors a diff story..im still not used to it
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Reply #14 - 07/27/04 at 08:44:06
 
Toad/Paratroopa... Toad for catchup, Paratroopa to stay in the lead or knock out the leader.
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Reply #15 - 07/27/04 at 16:37:38
 
Just tried again with Toad/Koopa and got 5'34 on Mushroom cup which kicks the shit outta the 6'17 I got with Diddy/BJ......think I'll stick with Toad/Koopa Smiley
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Reply #16 - 07/29/04 at 06:33:09
 
Since i started this topic I changed karts moving to toads kart only, even though i prefer the train.
It did however, result in a much more fair distribution of red shells.  
Ps:  Paul I use to play TT held a record in 97 on mk64 for two weeks. However, the standard is so much higher now that Im content to take achievement from
beating my buddy on GP, although I do agree that the luck factor is high with the blue shell.
Hopefully the next version will get back to it GP roots of 92 which in my opinion has never been bettered.            
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Reply #17 - 08/05/04 at 16:25:52
 
oh,i see what you guys are talking about,samething my friend gets way more shells when we play in grand prix then me.
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