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03/05/04 at 07:36:11
 
I got a mail from a Japanese SMK player, which was kinda confusing...

Not a clue why he mailed me, as I am not a moderator or anything.... Undecided

This was in the message, maybe he sent this mail to more people?

Ž„‚Í“ú–{‚ÌMASTER‚Æ‚¢‚¤ŽÒ‚Å‚·¬‘‘¬Ž„‚Ì‹L˜^‚ðŒ©‚Ä‰º‚³‚¢¬¬
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1.12"11
2.11"67
3.11"84
4.11"78
5.11"64
TOTAL<59"04>
BEST RAP<11"59>
But this is 8TH Record in JAPANI(;HappyA
1ST record is<57"66>in JAPAN¬
I'm poor English.
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Reply #1 - 03/05/04 at 07:37:37
 
Furthermore he provided a pic to prove his time...but the most shocking thing is......

He claims the Japanese MC1 record is 57"66, which basically destroys the current official NSTC WR from Sami's site, could this be true?  Shocked
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Reply #2 - 03/05/04 at 08:02:10
 
Maybe he needs a video.  Other than that, it's probably because of the boosts.
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Reply #3 - 03/05/04 at 08:15:35
 
Of course he'll need a video, still it could be a new WR (not his, but from another Jap), and not by a little margin as well....

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Reply #4 - 03/07/04 at 08:34:39
 
I'd say that 57"66 is possible and is probably true. I'm playing MC1 right now and my laps are still really random. In a few tries I was already down at 58"38... so I guess with a little motivation I could reach low 58" or high 57"..
Plus, Japanese players seem to only play MC1 so I guess they'd be really close to perfection.

This or he mistyped 58"66. Since he mistyped "LAP" I guess anything's possible.
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Reply #5 - 03/07/04 at 18:46:05
 
Okay, maybe I made a mistake. After playing more MC1, I highly doubt 57"66 is possible. A 58"0x might be possible and I would say a 57"9x would be ultimate perfection.

But then.. I looked up Mitsuya Profile page and I found some kind of ranking page, just like the players' site. And yeah MC1 best time listed is 57"66.  This is either fake, GP150cc or they found a new technique. Because the splits are  Shocked Shocked Shocked

11"68 - 11"37 (WHAT!) - 11"61 - 11"70 - 11"30 ( Shocked )

And guess what the WR Flap is... 11"10!!


There must be something going on there.. the MC2 WRs listed:  1'07"21 /  13"07
That time is pretty doubtful as the second time listed is 1'11"74 / 13"98 (more realistic with the sandboosting technique)

Other than that, nothing spectacular except maybe a 59"59 on GV2 and a 57"15 on KB2

Here's the link:

http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown-Toys/7466/ranking/ranking.html

Damn, wish I could read Japanese 'cause this is weiiird  Undecided
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Reply #6 - 03/07/04 at 20:35:19
 
Well, you can go to http://babelfish.altavista.com and translate a whole page from Japanese to English if you wish. I just did, and although the translation isn't fully understandable, could have a quick look through their message board, where they discuss about time trial issues and the PRs they got.

Martin has already posted the ranking page's URL, though other interesting URLs are the site's main page:

http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown-Toys/7466/index.html, from which are linked off 7 SMK sub-pages; and their message board:

http://hidebbs.net/bbs/bakaya6777?sw=7, which I suggest you strongly to translate from Japanese to English, unless you can read Japanese.  Smiley

From the quick look I had through some of the site's parts, including the message board, the records listed seem to me rather reliable. They know very well about the boosting technique, and how it allows to cut through 1st and 4th corner in MC1, and they know as well about the zigzag way to create a boost, which I believe, is what they have used on the first straight of MC1 to cut through the following corner, helping them to get those ridiculously low MC1 times. But I might be wrong on that, I think I read also somewhere about MC1's 5th turn being involved, and I had a very quick read through the messages anyway.

Other than that, their RR records are also pretty good (1'25"55/16"97 for now), and it seems they are just getting started there, as many of their message board's messages were related to PR progress on RR. They also seperate trick times (water tricks in KB1 and VL2 and "hole tricks" in some of the GVs and RR) from "normally" gotten times, what we would call Non-SC times, though it is clear there is no boosting restriction, and they are in fact using them a lot on courses like MC1, MC2 and probably a few others.

To sum it up, it is clear they built up something really considerable as far as time trial competition goes, and I'm convinced it would be in the benifit of everyone if both of the communities could get to contact each other and work something out in cooperation, because they have some very skilled players, yet it feels like they are just getting started.

If at least some people could get involved here, that would be great. I would suggest you strongly to have a deeper look through their site's features and especially the message board with the assistance of an online translator, as we can probably learn a lot about them, there. I didn't really have a whole lot of time myself to check deeply most of their posts, as I'll be going to bed in a few minutes. (and especially since some of the sentences are really complicated to understand through automatic japanese-->english translation)

And lastly as soon as possible, we should contact them, more likely through e-mail. Mitsuya Mikan, who is currently on the SMK player's site, seems in fact to be the Japanese site's webmaster, and Sami had contacted him briefly to get his times onto the SMK player's site, so I believe we should be able to contact him again. I really hope personally that it will be taken seriously, because I would not like the SMK community to turn into what the MKSC community somewhat turned into, with Japanese players playing on their own, and different people updating the WR sheet from time to time with times taken from their site. Cooperation is in my opinion the best issue.
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Reply #7 - 03/07/04 at 22:12:04
 
Yeah, I figured that as well actually.
About the cut after the first straight I mean, it's very difficult with those pipes but I managed to do that once as well, and it seemed to win me time....I couldn't check because I screwed the next boost  Undecided Lips Sealed

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Reply #8 - 03/08/04 at 01:56:26
 
okay okay i lll tell it to you now

the WR PAL at MC1 f-lap done by my brother julien (11"74) has been done with this boost cut atfter the first straight , this boost is built with zigzag in the straight and released to cut the first corner


there is also a vid Roll Eyes  


oh damn julien will kill me now i have revealed all the truth Shocked


Grin  well thats not a news anymore so its not a problem to "reveal" how he made his PR i think Roll Eyes


he will kill me if his WR is beaten  Shocked
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Reply #9 - 03/08/04 at 02:29:39
 
Hehe, I figured he did this anyway  Cheesy
I pulled it off myself as well, but not with in combination with the other two boosts  Undecided
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Reply #10 - 03/08/04 at 03:01:55
 
Hello,

Yes, this is the site that Mitsuya Mikan has been working on.

I have asked him to try and recruit some of the karters from his site but he hasnt quite replied to me on the subject.

The guy with the 57"66 is crazy i know, he certainly has some improved techniques, but we have yet to see videos from him. He hasnt played all courses yet either, ony some of them. Mitsuya sent his records, and at the moment on our ranking he is the fastest Japanese karter overall.

Hopefully we can add some more karters later, but Mitsuya preferred to keep his site as it is and not copy things.

Mitsuya's email address is on the main page of his site somewhere at the bottom.

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Reply #11 - 03/08/04 at 09:02:28
 
Oh yeah Sami! the "57,66 guy" is very crazy!
But I can't believe this. It's true, lots of Asian players are regarded as  "Freaks", but in spite of this, no human player can reach such a time!

I doubt that this time is a SMK time, maybe it's MKDD or something...
I believe that Sami Cetin is the real MC-1 King, yeah do it baby!  Grin
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Reply #12 - 03/08/04 at 09:48:43
 
wow, this is very interesting news! Cheesy
it'd definately be great if we all could compete with eachother Smiley
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Reply #13 - 03/08/04 at 11:10:24
 
BC1-Champ-PAL   wrote on 03/08/04 at 09:02:28:
Oh yeah Sami! the "57,66 guy" is very crazy!
But I can't believe this. It's true, lots of Asian players are regarded as  "Freaks", but in spite of this, no human player can reach such a time!

I believe that Sami Cetin is the real MC-1 King, yeah do it baby!  Grin

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A time like that on PAL, the format we are playing with, is impossible. On NSTC which the Japanese are playing it is possible, and I reckon it's true...done with the boostcut in second corner twice (for the 11"3x laps)
That would even be three times actually as the first lap seems like a time done with that technique as well.

And yeah even if they would play PAL, they wouldn't beat Sami at non NBT on MC1...1'00"99 is the best record ever done in any Mariokart by far..NBT or non NBT!  8)

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Reply #14 - 03/08/04 at 11:18:02
 
Forgot to add my lastest pr....

BC3 lap 17"95...0.01 off from being a WR  Angry Undecided Cheesy
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Reply #15 - 03/08/04 at 17:12:21
 
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Hopefully we can add some more karters later, but Mitsuya preferred to keep his site as it is and not copy things.


Well, more likely he wouldn't have to change the least bit of his site if the players on it sent their times to the SMK players' site. I believe all players on it are Japanese anyway, so the site could still act as a regional community site, just like it does for the french community, right now. I'm not really into such seperate communities, and I think players from around the world should try to interact together as much as possible, but I guess it is impossible by now to hope from the Japanese players to completely ignore the community and the site they built up over the past months, and that is understandable.

Only, what really annoys me is that they completely ignore the SMK players' site (I have seen 0 mention of it over every site's part I have checked), and they consider themselves the main authority as far as world's best time trial times go.

The SMK players' site as we know it has been around for 5 years, (8 years if we count previous sites that kept track of time trial records under different format) and it is really a worldwide competition site, with players from everywhere in the world, and a deep historical aspect gathering several past champions/world record holders/high ranked players. Now, if things keep going the way it currently is, some of the skilled Japanese players will start getting more WRs, and the players' site's ones will lose credibility, as we'll know there are better times out there that are the real WRs.

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it'd definately be great if we all could compete with eachother  Smiley


Exactly. Let's just not miss the opportunity.


On a completely different thought, it is nice to see both of the new BC1 world record holders post in the same topic.  Smiley Armin, would you be interested into joining the Non-NBT site? If you're not very familiar with what NBT/Non-NBT consists into, you can read some about it on the site's join and rules section. I'll agree that some of it will need to be made clearer to be easier to understood, so if you don't understand some of the rules or other stuff that are stated, you can ask me via this message board in the Non-NBT topic (should be 5 or 6 links down below this topic) or by e-mail. But just so you know, your BC1 5-lap would currently stand as the PAL Non-NBT BC1 5-lap WR, (maybe same for your BC1 lap, if the rule is changed there on PAL! (which is highly probable to happen)) just like most of your times must be Non-NBT already, in fact.
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Reply #16 - 03/09/04 at 04:05:42
 
Simon do you still have the Japanese mail I forwarded to you?
I really need to know his email address now, but i already deleted the mail....

I hope you still have it  Smiley
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Reply #17 - 03/09/04 at 04:53:34
 
Yeah, of course I'm interrested in non-nbt,
then I can show you the real Armin Huber *lol*, joke!

I try to send the non-nbt times in the next weeks, ok?

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Reply #18 - 03/09/04 at 11:24:21
 
That's some amazing news!
More than 10 years after the release of SMK, the Japanese finally discover this game and start competing as well. I knew they were a very dedicated gaming group that could get really strong records at many games. But these SMK times they achieved truly surprise me. It's scary that they can catch up with us so easily. Makes me wonder what will happen if they discover MK64 in a few years, and start playing that game as well... 1'37"50 Luigi Raceway?? nah, not possible  Tongue

I agree with Simon though that I won't like it if the japanese players will only compete on their own site without joining our site. Very frustrating to have 2 different time trialing sites with different world records. I hope we can manage to contact them and try to work together in some say.
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Reply #19 - 03/09/04 at 11:34:45
 
Well, the e-mail of the Japanese player's message that you sent me is mariokart64_time-attck_master@docomo.ne.jp, although it was not from Mitsuyan, as Mitsuyan has around the 58"3x-58"4x, I believe.

But Mitsuyan's e-mail is probably on his main page. Actually yes, it is shio_mi23@yahoo.co.jp.  Smiley Let us know what happens if you send him an e-mail. For some reasons, sending e-mails seem far from being my personal favourite hobby, but I won't mind sending one or a few as well, if needed.


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then I can show you the real Armin Huber *lol*, joke!

I try to send the non-nbt times in the next weeks, ok?


Ok, that's fine! I'm looking forward to see you ranked on the Non-NBT site.  Smiley
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Reply #20 - 03/09/04 at 15:16:36
 
In case you haven't realized, someone on that site has already beaten Gallo's WR of 1'00"65 on GV1.

...Here's the link:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown-Toys/7466/ranking/kinoko.html#003
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See for yourself...1'00"32 for the 5-Lap WR...and 11"90 for the F-Lap WR.

The Laps are:
L1 12"25
L2 11"98
L3 12"04
L4 12"01
L5 12"04

According to what I'm seeing, these records are quite recent.  That's only a month ago.  The date is Feb 16th, 2004.  Any ideas?

I think these GV1 WRs could mean something here... Shocked
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Reply #21 - 03/09/04 at 17:43:11
 
Yeah, I had seen it while scrolling down their records list, and was totally shocked as well. I was in fact talking about it a bit with Michael Liem on AIM earlier today, and my biggest concern about it was whether or not it was assisted with boosts. (either to help make the platform jump or simply boosts that are done the zigzag powerslide way to speed the kart up and maybe gain some time) It would be hard to imagine boosts could help in a 5-lap race like GV1 other than helping on the platform jump itself, but you never know, I guess...

As for the splits themselves, they could very well be splits of 5 consecutive laps done in the good old traditional way, timing the jump as well as possible to land the platform jump all lap, but then that race would be by all means "nearly perfect". In fact, this would equal roughly what it gives if you add up 5 of my best laps together. (1st lap ~0"20 loss being taken into account obviously) The 11"98 2nd lap would even beat the currently best known Non-NBT lap of 11"99 done by Stanley Jeram.

I have difficulty to feel anything personally towards such a flawless 5-lap. If the player really got that time still achieving 5/5 the traditionnal way, then he must have played like hell. The odds showed, considering my consistency rate at landing the platform jump, that I could get a 5/5 once every 10 hours approximately. (not taking into account the odds for me to crash into a wall during one of the 5 laps, which are probably higher than 50%) Geez... 10 hours is just so long. I cannot play a repetitive course like GV1 10 hours all during the same week, let alone the same day... Probably many people, including that Japenese player can be more consistent than me at landing the GV1 platform jump, but even then...

Oh well, all this to say that I cannot personally feel all "joyful" or excited about such a fast time being achieved. To me, in the most simple and "luck-needy" course of the game, I can only qualify such a fast 5-lap as "completely nuts", not as any technically wonderful. There are other courses out there that test your actual mastering of the kart in various corners and stress' conditions, and personally, I find those just so much more enjoyable and rewarding skill wise. That said, I do appreciate GV1 for what it is, and it indeed is what it is.  Smiley

PS: As for the 11"90 lap record, that one is for sure with a boost to start the lap. (or any other newly discovered technique we may not know about yet)
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Reply #22 - 03/09/04 at 22:40:08
 
Ok Simon and Sami, I have sent him the mail.
Can't wait to see the reply!

I am encouraged him to contact other karters as well, but the main thing is to get him on the site, so we can always ask for more when he's here!  Tongue
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Reply #23 - 03/10/04 at 01:50:45
 
I got the reply, and all it does is link to his homepage, I suppose we can find the info we want there (all his times and his real name).

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However, I am not fluent in Japanese and don't have a clue as to what's going on on that site!  Undecided
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Reply #24 - 03/10/04 at 16:28:27
 
Well, this looks like a MK64 times page. Maybe he didn't understand your message, but then, I think it would be better to e-mail Mitsuyan directly. Since he is the webmaster of the Japanese site, I guess we have more chances to get both of the communities to enter in contact together that way. Doing so would for sure be a strong way to start having a mutual time trial competition, more than e-mailing different Japanese players individually, I guess.

Also, if he's not having too much trouble reading English, we can suggest him to have a look through this Message Board, and more specifically to this very topic of the Message Board, which is entirely dedicated to their site and time trial records. Personally, I kept looking daily at their site's Message Board, with the help of an online translator.

Let me know what you think.
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