Diamond wrote on 04/20/17 at 14:08:30:

Are you sure? MKDD has weekly news updates. MKWii has monthly news updates.

Diamond wrote on 04/20/17 at 14:20:10:

Since when are TTs not competitive?

Diamond wrote on 04/20/17 at 14:41:03:


So? Do clan wars have to do with time trial submissions? MKDD is really active, averaging 15-20 players a week, if not more. And even IF MKW had more activity than double dash, would that be a no-go? C'mon dude why can't anyone think of a legit argument here. Hell even afterwards you said "But I do agree that times updated in 24 hours would be a good feature". Then what's the point of bringing up MKW vs MKDD activity? Seriously

@Colvin why are you so stuck to "not changing anything else"? Let me repost what I wrote to Frigz on the discord:

First of all, let's start with the beginning: Submitting times. Obviously you click submit, which suddenly leads you to the yahoo groups site. You'd have to find the times submitter or somehow understand that you need to send an email to the yahoo group in order to get updates through. I believe the update times are not even stated.

Back on the site there's a shit ton of menus on the left, all leading to different tables. This could be compressed to 'MKDD Rankings' where you can switch from AF, Total Times, etc.

So let's get to the actual important part: Rankings. So once you find out how to get to, let's say, Luigi Circuit 3lap, you click that, right? There are multiple parts here which are wrong.

First of all, the times are not clickable to get either comments or a video on it. In this time video proof is very common and should be able to be combined with a time. Hmmm. Maybe if you click this separate icon called info (instead of the player's name), it'll give me more info about the time. Nope

It leads me straight to the profile. At least here the times are clickable, but no, that leads me straight back to the rankings.

Now don't get me started on how outdated the site looked. When I first saw the site, I was confused and thought the site had died until I saw that the news update was of a week ago.
Speaking of outdated: Almost every text part on the site is outdated. The FAQ is talking about recording from your VCR, e-mails getting the same style as a title, almost all videos linking to a dead page, awards being a history of death, and of course last but not least the HUGE banner taking up at least one third of the screen.

@dan What's the point of your complaining? Do you think they'd rework the site and remove all features?

If anyone else is willing to bring up some legit points to the table, be sure to say so. But just saying "The layout/design does not need to be changed" is dumb. The rework side has given enough points, now it's time for your defense.

Let me me say three things.

1. The MK8 site was maybe a little rushed. Due to the fact that MK8DX was launching soon and having a new site attracts players. So I ask for your forgiveness for any removed features. They will come before I port the site to other games. Most of the features I removed were not used in MK8. Such as rivalries, awards, or past champions (well, that last one was dead and not updated for most of MK8's life until a couple months ago, so it never found it's way on the new site in time.)

2. For the MKDD site, I will be especially careful to not miss out on features. I have the time, unlike with game release dates pushing close in MK8's case. I didn't expect an MK game to come out so close after the Switch's launch. Usually it takes at least a year. Like with MK8, I will work closely with the MKDD community to find what people want in the site, and run another beta test program to get feedback.

3. The "white" design was meant to be modern. Going along with "modern" sites like google, facebook, etc. I guess some people, especially gamers it seems, like dark sites. Which is why I made it an option for members. I guess I could make it possible to change the color without being logged in, but, I like having member exclusive features, it entices people to join the site.

I'm glad that you guys are clearing up your viewpoints. However, like Goomba said, I've yet to hear a good argument against the new site, other than "I like the dark background" and similar stuff.

Diamond wrote on 04/20/17 at 15:39:46:


Ah yes because when double dash's activity is lower than specifically MKW that's when we shouldn't do it

Goomba wrote on 04/20/17 at 16:07:18:

I was comparing it to mkwii because in Colvin's original post, he was referring to Zack_McNell, one of the updaters of the mkwii players page

Diamond wrote on 04/20/17 at 16:31:12:

Ah, Zack McNell is a great updater. He literally updates your times hours after you submit them. I think he might be a robot...  
Goomba wrote on 04/20/17 at 16:32:36:

I don't care about 4/20. Weed day is a day only morons care about. I'm not saying it HAS to look like that, I'm saying that people shouldn't throw a tantrum over an "outdated" wallpaper  . Black or White, who cares?  

How DARE you insult this beloved holiday?  All jokes aside things I explained like having more than one set of standards that show the exact same thing and no WS SC tab are just examples of flaws with the old site and while they aren't major ones they are things where it'd be dumb not to fix them in the new PP. I Don't see really a single major problem with the old site but a LOT of  minor ones. So if you could fix these in the new PP that'd be great (Maybe make standards just under the combined tab) . Another minor thing I've noticed is that I have sent in pictures for proof along with my submissions but it still shows me as no proof when I should be trusted and have a yellow check mark next to my proof status. So these are just a few reasons to either update the old site or make a new one.

AlexPenev wrote on 04/20/17 at 17:28:10:


Like Frigz mentioned, until yahoo pulls the plug it's simply out of convenience so full barrel train ahead!

Ultimarkh wrote on 04/21/17 at 00:29:25:


The news updates would remain the same, except that you could see the times update almost as soon as they get in.

As for the shortcut: I don't know why you're so adamant about it Dan, but I'm pretty sure there's almost no one that cares about WS SC. Especially now that it's been 14 years after the game's release, the rankings would be kinda skewed because lots of people have already retired or quit.

@Alex maybe there could be a system that collects PRs from a certain timespan (Let's say a week in this case) so that it's easier for you to see? That way we can get new updaters, have it update daily and you wouldn't have to dig through submissions.

Typically what I like to do with updates is open a person's profile twice, once the old version and once the new version with new scores. Then I can see what changed, e.g. times, standards, dates, totals. If the person's times were updated mid-week then I wouldn't be able to see those changes. "John was last active... two days ago? and his previous time on this track was... the same time he just sent in because it was already updated this week". Yes I could go and fish out the previous details but it's more work.

Gav wrote on 05/01/17 at 14:23:14:


Lol I acutally thought that was from Goomba? :p

Good thing it's been written by a belgian! Damn orange dutchies

TvL wrote on 05/03/17 at 03:41:55:


Time to put a huge dutch flag on the homepage