A Runnelid   wrote on 06/28/04 at 07:55:59:

Very close to WR (2"43 afaik)
Thanks to your hint (breaking during tree ticking) i have now 12"25 on Peach Circuit Flap

termoPilucco

BC1 3-lap: 45" 05  (15" 10, 14" 96, 14" 99) [1-1-1] Bowser

Yes! I'm glad for any improvement on this course. It kills me in Avg. Fin. This time gains me four places on the available page, and more importantly, I now have a ghost to follow. I didn't get a single boost, so I hope for that to change.

Andreas

My times at 2004/07/04:

PC:             45"68   FL: 12"25
SG (NSC): 49"76
MC1:            45"18  FL:  6"69

termoPilucco

A Runnelid   wrote on 07/04/04 at 00:55:52:


Oh no.. it's my wrost Pr...
Blaze, in another thread, say that, using the same strat he got 48"91.

Anyway maybe the point is the 'shortcut' definition.
You can see 'my' strat (that is a litlle modification of Archibald strat) here:
http://www.unbelsito.com/SkyCircuit.avi

Maybe you will call it 'shortcut'


termoPilucco

I went on a little trip for about 1 day and an half, so I took the opportunity to play some MKSC for the first time in nearly 1 year, and it made me wonder, despite some of the crazy strats and the site being outdated, why is that nice MK being so underplayed?... (myself included  )

Sky Garden 3-lap: 59"23 -->0"50 cut
Sky Garden F-lap: 15"20 -->0"53 cut
Splits: 19"96?-19"59-19"68

Both PR's without tree and wall tricking as always. I tested a slight strat change for the 3rd mushroom on the F-lap, and it appeared to be a bit more efficient than what I was doing. The 3-lap passes Jason Whalls, leaving ahead of me only players that I know are using tree and wall tricking (I guess nobody bothered lately to get a 3-lap without tree-tricking there...), so I'm satisfied for that.

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Well, I do shroom and use boosts (MT's) for my usual PR's, so I can't really compare my MC1 PR to yours, but I did give MC1 with 0 mushroom a try, and got 51"96. This was done with a boost (MT) on every lap except 1st and last. (I powerslide around last turn but release the boost past the 1st corner of the following lap) Really, the only things I refuse to do to achieve my PR's are wall and tree tricking, and also using boosts (MT's...) over grass or sand in order to cut inside corners. (but I still use several of my mushrooms inside corners obviously)

Anyway, one good and simple track to attempt a 0-shroom PR on is BC1 in the MKSC tracks. I remember Kishin Zephrite (whose real name I think is Brian Rafferty) and Jamie White were having a little dual for that, around 1½ years ago. Jamie was playing on emulator because he didn't own a GBA and MKSC, but he didn't use any saved state or cheat whatsoever. They ended up getting 3-lap times around 45"4x and 45"5x and laps just below 15 seconds, which I think is purely insane. I had gotten 46"02 I think myself, and I was near my max potential in such a way that anything as low as 45"80's or faster looked realistically undoable for me, so certainly a mid 45" as well, but these guys still pushed it that low...  

Alright, this is a new PR's topic, so onto my SG progress now...  

Sky Garden 3-lap: 58"86
Sky Garden F-lap: 14"82
Splits: 19"81-19"42-19"63

My best 1st lap is 19"61; 19"40 for 2nd/3rd lap. I tried yet another shrooming strat for the F-lap, which I think is slightly faster than my previous one when well executed, but, with or without tree tricking, it's surely not the fastest strat around, because quite a good amount of players have gotten considerably faster than that...

Simon   wrote on 07/08/04 at 13:08:50:


I'm very interested aobut lowering my MC1.
My best non shrooming/non ticking single lap is 10"37, but it seem you lap is way better.
Can you make a video of a single lap?

termoPilucco

My N64 controller still being unreliable, I decided to keep at MKSC for the time being, and improved my CCI records...

Cheep Cheep Island 3-lap: 1'01"98 --> 0"52 cut
Cheep Cheep Island F-lap: 18"85 --> 0"16 cut
Splits: 20"85-20"53-20"60

I was aiming for a sub 1'02, so that time is alright. I'd be curious to know what's Jason's technique to get a 59 seconds 3-lap, but if it is what I think, then I just can't quite get it to work myself... I'm getting to a point where I'm nearly maxed out, with my fastest splits (20"73-20"53-20"53) adding up to 1'01"79. I know that passing at the left of the grass around the finish line saves about 0"05/lap, but it's just so hard not to touch the grass or the water 3 laps in a row; a 0"15 cut on the 3-lap wouldn't be worth it.

The F-lap is really ugly in comparison with other people's times there, but that lap puzzles me even more than the 3-lap. I really thought my 18"85 lap was great, with a last turn being taken wide in such a way that I could have saved maybe 0"05-0"10, but damn, it's not 5 hundredths I need to cut down here, it's 5 seconds!!  

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Well, I don't have the necessary media at home to transfer a video onto my computer, but I can tape a single no-shroom lap on MC1 if you wish, and ask to the person I send my tape to (probably Martin Morissette) to make a MPG file out of it. My 51"96 had a 10"25 lap, but its 2nd corner was taken rather wide, so I could probably try to get a high 10"1x taped.

Vincent_Zee   wrote on 07/08/04 at 21:02:44:
I have 56"2 but i tick on the aliased wall before the last turn, then i get the zipper like you.
I've seen this tick spot in WR video.

termoPilucco

Simon, for CC1 1-lap you are still using the bumper, right?

After the very first bridge part, look to your left. There should be a gap in the wall. Your goal is to go in there without using a shroom (or Lakitu). Once you've done that, look to your left. See that isolated part of shallow water? Use a shroom to reach it, preferably without falling in. You know what to do from here..

Andreas

Well, first of all, thank you very much Andreas for the CCI F-lap strat. This definitely was helpful, and yes, before I was just using the bump we use for the 3-lap, and tried to fit in 2 mushrooms somewhere on the lap. Passing by that gap in the wall sure made all the difference, so here's my new F-lap PR doing that...

Cheep Cheep Island F-lap: 14"68 --> 4"17 cut!, on 1st lap

I've done several high 14's already, so I don't think I can keep cutting down huge chops off that lap with my current stat, but probably if I get slowed down less by the deep water and do the F-lap on a 2nd lap instead of a 1st, I can take it down at least to a low 14".

After I was done playing CCI, I decided I would go to MC1 in the SMK tracks, to try to get a good 0-shroomer lap on tape. After a few minutes, my 1-lap attempts quickly changed into 5-lap attempts, so from there, I thought that I would tape any eventual 5-lap PR I would get only, in hopes that it would have at least 1 good 0-shroomer lap out of the 2 0-shroomers. Well, so I worked progressively my way down the 49 seconds, start from my old PR, 49"18, to 49"16, then 49"08, 49"06, and even a disturbing 49"00 after, finally to get 48"96.

At the moment, even though I had reached my initial goal, I was not really satisfied, because I knew I could get faster without too much trouble, so I still kept playing! I almost immediately got a 48"96 PR tie, and not too long after a 48"91 PR. Right away, I strongly hesitated whether or not I should keep trying to lower that PR, so I went downstairs and checked the top times, only to realize that this 48"91 was putting me in a 3-way tie with Sami and Archibald, both of whom I knew had done their 3-lap without wall tricking as well! So, you will understand that I just couldn't leave it there   , and I kept playing and got a 48"88, which once again, didn't quite satisfy me for some reasons! The next few attempts made me realize that my driving was slowly getting less and less efficient, but finally after maybe another 45 minutes, I got a new PR which this time would be my final one!

Mario Circuit 1 5-lap: 48"83 --> 0"35 cut
Mario Circuit 1 F-lap: 7"66 --> 0"09 cut, got that one before I started attempting the 3-lap
Splits: 10"63-10"27-9"21-9"40?-9"32

Best 1st lap 0-shroomer is 10"61 (10"56 when not preparing the boost for the following lap), 2nd lap is 10"20 (10"18 when not preparing the boost for the following lap), so these aren't my best 0-shroomers laps, but TermoPilluco, do you think that will be enough for you? 3rd lap is particularly nice, but I've gotten a 9"19 there, and 4th and 5th lap are necessarily ~0"10 slower than the 3rd one, because I don't get a boost on those ones. (3rd lap boost is prepared from the 0-shroomer 2nd lap) Alright, I think that's it. My message is getting quite long...  

I do use that mushroom before the last turn through the area of sand. I don't think any shroom spot comes any close from being as fast as far as driving without wall tricking goes. Oh, and I use Bowser all the time for my PR's.

Are there vids of EXTRA tracks? Like in a page or something? I can only find good times on mksc tracks. But I don't get the WR's on EXTRA tracks