Uhm yeah...
What shroomstrat was that?  1-3-2?

Michael   wrote on 05/27/03 at 06:13:05:

Yeah, but a 9-9-9 shroomstrat is more faster

Actually, that's funny...Steven called me last night and told me he raced a 23"05 on MR fastlap  

This is a joke right?

Steven has been drinking again hasn't he?

Sami

shadow   wrote on 05/27/03 at 10:14:08:


Actually, it was the best 1shroom from his 1'09"86 3lap run

well Steven and I discussed LR ages ago, and even back then, he knew he was capable of about that, and I predicted LR getting down to 1'37"99.  

Anyhow, if he does't submit it to the group himself, It's going to stay an MB exclusive

*Still in shock over Steven's LR time*

Man he must have hit like a near limit for this course..

Im going to sleep now, still gotta revise for another exam tomorrow. Hey perhaps when i wake up it will all be a bad dream and this topic won't be here on the board!

he's not going to post it on yahoogroups because nowadays he lives on his own and I've never seen a PC in his house, so that's why he asked me to do it.
And since my mails took about 12 hours to get from my hotmailbox to yahoogroups, well, you get it...

Lars

This is really starting to annoy me. Give Steven some respect, ok? And don't make assumptions if you don't know what kind of person Steven is.

First of all, we don't know if Steven has this last PR on tape or not. But if somehow he doesn't have a VCR in his new home, you should give him some trust, and don't go and demand proof for every time again when he gets a single new PR. Better be glad that Steven came back from his retirance to hit this interesting PR.

This community has allways been based on trust and respect for all other players. And if there's one player who deserves most respect of all, it's Steven. He's one of the fwe people who were already active during the start of online nintendo highscore gaming around 1996. He invented countless strats for different games, and set countless new worldrecords on many games. And he was one of the first people who started to actually videotape his times (despite the fact that taking pictures of your times let alone making videotapes was not required and relatively uncommon back in those days). But Steven taped his times because he found it important that people believed his times, and because he wanted to show his strats to other people. He allways stimulated people to start taping as well, and if for some reason he thought one of the other players seemed suspect to cheating, he tried to uncover them.

So, what I want to say is this:
Proof in the past and a great reputation probably can't be used as 100% reliable proof for new WRs. That's true.
However, if a player with tons of proof in the past and with possibly the best reputation possible, gets some new amazing WRs then I think a reasonable reaction would be like this:
If Steven is not joking (and he doesn't seem to be) I would definitely believe that time. And then instead of accusing him of cheating because there's no vid available, i'd just try to find a good alternative solution for the community to make it clear that Steven is still the reliable Steven as we know him. And that solution could be:
- let someone call Steven, and ask him if he isn't joking, and if he's serious let him tell how he achieved the time, how long it took him, if the laps were anything special etc.
- wait till Lars and Steven meet up again, and let Steven demonstrate how he can drive laps like that, and optionally let Lars take a video of some good laps, or let Lars take a picture of the record screen (only possible for nonSC records on nonSC only tracks).

A solution like that should be more than acceptable in my opinion. The aim of the community is to have fun with time trialing competition, and have rankings with players/times that can be trusted by the rest of the community. The aim of the site is not to compile a ranking list that consists of videotape proven times exclusively.

Just read that aztec stuff today. Funny, Steven is the hot topic at the moment.
If Steven is serious about his time but doesn't have any proof I'll still believe it, but I hope he at least says that he put a lot of time into getting it, cos it really is quite amazing and even my best laps don't come near to any of those.
On a more general note, should we readily accept new WR's without proof? I have a couple of untaped WR's...FS and DKJP being two that spring to mind. I could tape laps which show the potential of those courses though in the future.
And if Steven has no proof and doesn't describe how he can drive that fast, but the new WR gets added to the database should we bring back Gallo's DKJP times? I'm just throwing these questions out there. I'm not suspicious of Steven at all, unless he's joking of course.
I might play with Wario tonight...he keeps telling me "I'm a gonna winnn", so I'll give him a go.

I'm half believing it and half not.  I think it's possible he got a mid-level 1:58.3x/1:38.4x type without telling us beacuse it just wasn't that big a deal for him.
From his reputation, I believe it.  Honest.  If in less than a month I go from 1:40.72 to 1:39.90(a little like Habrich...), then in the upper 1:38s, a phenomenal thing can still cause a 0.1 drop.  Being Steven Zwartjes, he's the one you would expect to do a 0.4.

my two pence worth..

On games with replays i think it's more reasonable to demand vid proof for a wr.. mk64 fits that category.

i think his LR is more real than his astec..

people keep saying well see if he can drive a few laps to prove it? fuck that.. sami and lacey could drive a fluke one lap but putting three together is the problem!! lacey or sami.. how many times have you driven an amasing one lap to not WR on 3lap?

i dont know steven but am aware of his capabilities, i also respect what he's done and his reputation infront of people, but why shout about a WR which you can't prove? why not hold it down till you can prove it? either way i wanna know if it's going to stand.. and why can't he get to a computer? i'm sure they have internet cafe's in holland!! lol

tom