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https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Mario Kart >> Mario Kart Double Dash >> Fenner back on the site? https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1590428256 Message started by Chris on 05/25/20 at 09:37:36 |
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Title: Fenner back on the site? Post by Chris on 05/25/20 at 09:37:36 Hey guys. It's not often these days that I make a topic or even post here, but I noticed something today which caught my eye. So basically, I saw Terrence Fenner back on the leaderboards again, even though he got banned from all MK time trial sites due to being caught cheating and lying about times. Yet he's back on the site like nothing happened. So I was wondering: what made the sudden change of mind? This is nothing personal against you Terrence, in case you read this. I was just really confused how our community is so delusional to give people countless "second chances". I know people can change, I know you can prove yourself, but once you lied about something, there'll always be this cloud hanging over you that's putting you in a bad light. I've entered a few other bigger communities in the last 2 years, I have seen how they handle cheaters and liars. There's no second chance, there's no going back. Instant ban. Lying about times and especially SUBMITTING times on a site based on trust is something that I think is not tolerable (I am looking at you Diogo mister "Goal times", who surprisingly is also still on the mkdd charts :-?). I know there's moments people joke about beating a time, but if you declare that as a joke immediately that's something else. If you actually want people to believe your "fake" time, that's a completely different story. You might think now: "But Chris, those 'cheaters' are not even in the top100, who cares about them?" I tell you something. No matter where they are ranked, it still takes the charts' credibility. Forgot about that one guy "Holy Moly" probably. Yeah the guy who actually spliced his SM64 run. "But Chris, that's a completely different game! How would he cheat his mkdd times?", Well, I am not certain if the people who faked times in other games actually did it in MKDD aswell, but you can be sure that this is a kind of behaviour to impress people. And if you ask me, if this happened in another game, I am damn sure they at least tried once to pull this off in another game. I am actually really angry about this. This is not something to give others a free boost or anything, this is to give the people that compete for those ranks a credible site with credible times to believe. Like, why the fuck do you have to Alex videos and a timescroll of your times while some people cheated, are on the site and they never even get asked for proof? This is a question of trust, and some players kicked this morale with both feet, stomped on it and never even regretted it seems. "Hey you cheated and we know about it, but let's get you back on our site!", like what the hell man. WS time liars are the same here. We once erased a few times off the charts that seemed highly suspicious, people who had way stronger WS times than their actual timeset. Sure, there are course specialists, but it can't be a coincidence that there were more than 10 people who are suddenly ws course specialists that end up 600 ranks higher there. For me this would have been an instant removal, but who am I to ask. This is the same shit as Elliot Maynes and Myles in MK64, confusing how a guy who lied about DKJP sc times got banned from the site because he was barely known and Myles, the savior and hero of the N64 games still hasn't been removed, even though he obviously spliced runs. Just because he's been a credible member of the site for so long? Is that the reason that keeps you from removing the times? He got videos for pretty much any of his times, but hell, do you know if those runs might be save stated somehow? I know I accuse a lot of stuff here, but it's just something that I had to get off, because it frickin riled me. Why is this community so fucking blind to see this? |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Goomba on 05/25/20 at 09:49:53 Fully agree, I also want to add that people being "frozen" is a mechanic that works when people don't have a way of contacting the community to show proof, or when their times are placed in doubt, but nothing of the "cheating proof" has come out yet. This was way more common pre-2008 I assume, but nowadays, this is almost never the case. Almost all the time people now have been active in the community while these times get posted, yet frozen gets used as the same "punishment" as people we're not sure about because of a lack of communication. If you claim fake times, and/or even try to cheat in outside activities, who cares if some of your times are legit? You messed up, and in my opinion, you don't have a place on the leaderboards. An example would be colvin currently being frozen, even though he claims to be A) an alt and B) that most of his times on MKW have been TAS'd. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Ultimarkh on 05/25/20 at 14:49:00 It does indeed reflect poorly on the community. Cheaters should be banned, and their times erased, simple as that. We shouldn't be afraid of being seen as too strict, stern or whatever. Rules are meant to be followed, otherwise it's the open gap for everyone to squeeze into. Full support to Chris here |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by SparksF1 on 05/25/20 at 14:51:55 I’m very surprised that Fenner has been allowed onto the rankings here and tbh he should be removed immediately. It’s not like it only happened once with him. I am planning to run MKDD at some point soon but I may hold off submitting any times until this matter is dealt with. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by flanders on 05/26/20 at 03:01:54 At this point, I completely agree. People shouldn’t be trying to compete with potentially cheated times. It’s super unfair to the players. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Chrono Krysster on 05/26/20 at 03:49:06 1E3D2C3F263E0B7C4D0 wrote:
The only true WR that T-Man has ever won is the one from the Guinness World Records for "the most times caught cheating in a kart season". |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by FennerGuy on 05/26/20 at 13:31:57 I read the whole story and I am so appalled of what's going on. I never cheated on MKDD and if I did, I never intended to do that. Let me tell you something: I know I made a stupid decision to post some fake PRs (KB1 flap 8"57?) on SMK, fucked on MKSC and MKDS. But I never cheated on MK64, MKDD, or MKW/7/8 whatsoever! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( I mean seriously, I didn't even touch MK7, MK8 or MKW :-/ I played them all and I never cheated MK7, MK8, MKW, MKDD, or use game genie on SMK/MKSC/MK64. As for MKDS, I just use a code for having the race start the same as Replay because I wanted to get good footage instead of me recording replay PRs :( It's been since mid 2006 and the only thing changed for me was my video proof. [smiley=chairshot.gif] I made proof throughout the years...may have some burns (i.e 2017? blindfold MK64, MKSC 2011 scandal and the "Fenner CDM development hell since 2016") [smiley=cry.gif] ... and now I got removed on MKDD for past experiences on SMK, MKSC and MKDS? :-? You guys are cold hearted, for real...I changed It feels like I'm the Scrappy Doo of this community, homies. Real talk :-[ :-[http://https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.644391429.4167/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Vinnie927 on 05/26/20 at 13:44:06 I think an important distinction to make is that people don't necessarily think your MKDD times are cheated. The thing is that leaderboards are founded almost entirely on trust, and if there is someone like you who has violated that trust on several occasions, the charts lose a bit of integrity, which will hurt the community much more than any benefit gained by counting your times. This is not an attack against you at all. The sites have rules which carry strict punishment, and by letting you back in, that would essentially be saying "the rules aren't enforced all the time", which damages the legitimacy of the charts heavily. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by basebalkid on 05/26/20 at 16:40:33 Fenner, Your pass digressions will always haunt you. It is how handle yourself in challenging situations that will define your character. What you say in this post will determine your status in this community. Choose your words wisely and good luck. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Eric Kart-man on 05/26/20 at 17:32:51 It may be unpopular but T-man deserves another chance. Its time to back off and let the man have fun, and be a part of the games he loves dearly. We have all done dumb shit as a teenager, if there is proof of further cheating, its over again for good. I for one believe him when he intends to play it straight. If we ever want to meet up with him, we cant karty like its 2006. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Zarkov on 05/26/20 at 23:05:48 "all I did was cheat multiple times on multiple games up until very recently, and some of it was only sort of cheating! Why arnt I allowed on the MKDD site :( you're all extremely wrong" |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Chrono Krysster on 05/27/20 at 00:21:38 65464D4D465164565A230 wrote:
There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that your e-Mail-In submissions will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. ;D Sorry T-Man but it's over, a PR plus a video proof alone are not enough by today's standards (and because of you), so you'll need to start live streaming because I need to see your face brother, I need to see the game you are playing and I need to see your controller input on-screen, you are not Beck Abney but you will need to play just like him, you want to return to our community, that's okay for me, but I need more than trust now, we can understand you Terrence so I hope you can understand us, too. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Lafungo on 05/27/20 at 01:21:35 42636765696863746F65756968060 wrote:
Fenner has gotten more "second chances" than anyone else in the history of our community, and he has invariably blown every single chance he was given. It's also abundantly clear that nothing has changed in his behavior based on his post in this topic alone. My personal highlight is that he claimed to have never cheated in MK64, then proceeded to mention a time when he cheated in MK64. 12313A3A312613212D540 wrote:
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I see that Penev has removed Fenner from the MKDD rankings, which is great. But what about other known cheaters that are still there? Here are some cases that I'm aware of (and which were mentioned at least in part by Chris in the opening post): - Holy Moly was caught having spliced an SM64 16-star run from October 2005. You may want to dismiss this because of how old it is, but keep in mind that this was from right around the time he was active in MKDD. In addition, he was only caught because he went out of his way to brag about having held the "WR" 12 years later in a comment on Cheese's then-WR 120-star video. See this Reddit post (https://old.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/6fb8rf/former_16_star_wr_1859_by_marius_m_holymoly2207/) for more details. - Diogo sent in fake times to several PPs, including for MK7 where he was champ at the time. While I don't have a source on hand for the exact discussion where he got caught, these "goal times" were made infamous by the scandal when they were revealed during KC2018. It was explicitly announced in this post (https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1526543539/74#74). - Aslinger joined the MKDD community Discord server on March 23, 2019 and, after receiving some advice on WS flap, claimed to have improved from a 31"1 to a 30"749 within a span of three hours. You may think that they had erroneously assumed that the SC was allowed, but that was absolutely not the case. They very explicitly and deliberately lied about having used the SC, and only confessed after having exhausted all of their options to attempt to fool the community. You can find a complete copy of the relevant chat log by clicking here (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/177582233727664130/714976114904268860/aslinger.txt). It should be obvious at this point, but to be clear: I think that all of these cheaters should be banned from the Players' Page. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by SparksF1 on 05/27/20 at 02:12:22 I agree with Lafungo on removal of other dubious players. Also as long as there is combined rankings for Mario Kart any rule breaking on one Kart game should mean immediate removal from ALL games in the series. In SMK we have at least one such player that warrants a complete slatewipe. In addition even though this thread is about Fenner I hope everyone will realize that all he done wrong this time was to send in a timeset. We have no proof that times are faked or cheated but imho he just cannot be allowed on the rankings for reasons said earlier in my post. But keep on playing Fenner. And get yourself to a live meet someday. For that you would be very welcome |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site?. Post by FennerGuy on 05/27/20 at 08:27:57 6B48594A534B7E09380 wrote:
Honestly, I'm not going to any live meet since you don't want me on ANY MK PP >:( Sorry... Quote:
Whoa whoa whoa...I never cheated in MK64. >:( >:( >:( >:( 09303B3131362730757575420 wrote:
Sorry T-Man but it's over, a PR plus a video proof alone are not enough by today's standards (and because of you), so you'll need to start live streaming because I need to see your face brother, I need to see the game you are playing and I need to see your controller input on-screen, you want to return to our community, that's okay for me, but I need more than trust now, we can understand you Terrence so I hope you can understand us, too. [/quote] To be honest, I don't understand you at all :( It's gonna take a miracle to understand you guys because honestly...I'm speechless 27252A2A2B2A272825362F440 wrote:
>:( I lost of words on that lie This situation reminds me of this bullshit here - https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1150222442/15#15 |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Chrono Krysster on 05/27/20 at 09:13:44 ^Wow, I'm sorry to tell you that, but at this point.. dude, you will need like 20 more years of maturity before seeing any REAL change coming from you, it's a very sad but very true story. TTF-- you reached the point that even for me it's ridiculous to try to help you, from now that's just ridiculous and pointless, and I suppose definitely because you haven't changed a bit you're still the same T-Man, yes the wrong one the "T-Man is BACK!" the one full of " >:( >:( >:( " and just hoping for some MarioKart (with WRs) fame.. [smiley=thumbdown.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by FennerGuy on 05/27/20 at 10:18:10 79404B4141465740050505320 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MZD2YLcKL8 this is just my reaction to all this (and I'm Tupac on that vid) nuff said |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Max28 on 05/27/20 at 12:22:17 I just want to drop in and say that I wholeheartedly disagree with Fenner being allowed back on the site. Cheaters should be banned and their times removed, simple as. If people want to compete with the times, list them under a deleted player profile or somewhere else. Nothing personal against Fenner, but I don't understand this. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Chrono Krysster on 05/27/20 at 12:50:57 I'm not going to say the opposite, you are indeed crazy Terrence (and I don't really care about that) but you don't give a fuck about us and that's the main problem with you, do you really think that you will play with Sami and Alex (for example) and to keep having your PRs updated then removed from the PPs, again and again and again, please tell me how disrespectful is this to the community?! And fyi 2Pac lived a short life but in fame, you'll live longer but in darkness. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by @ndrew on 05/27/20 at 12:56:39 Forget 2nd chances, how many chances have we given this dude? |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Chrono Krysster on 05/27/20 at 13:37:54 466862746371594B67726E060 wrote:
If my calculations are correct, when this T-Man hits eighty-eight chances per decade... you're gonna see some serious shit [smiley=lolk.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by FennerGuy on 05/27/20 at 17:02:57 123C362037250D1F33263A520 wrote:
like three times on SMK GP and I think once on SMK but I never appeared on the PP site Never on MK64 or MKW/7/8 and thankfully not on MKDS Once on MKSC and now MKDD :-X So yeah...probably 6 times. Enough for me to have people say "like fuck you Goku" to me :-/ 033A313B3B3C2D3A7F7F7F480 wrote:
Dude, give it a rest man [smiley=roll.gif] I'm done arguing with you about this. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Zarkov on 05/28/20 at 02:21:25 So you freely admit to cheating on at least 6 separate occasions. And you wonder why you're being removed? Lmao you're hilarious Fenner. You need to go sell some more units. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by FennerGuy on 05/28/20 at 06:48:29 23212E2E2F2E232C21322B400 wrote:
Sort of...except I don't cheat on MKW, MK7, MK64, MK8 or MKDD. I did posted fake times back around 2006-07 on SMK and a couple PRs on MKSC. I mean seriously...cheat on MK7, MK8, and MKW? Get serious, dude. I never even do that shit! :-? |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by @ndrew on 05/28/20 at 17:25:38 I have to say Fenner, I was not expecting you to admit to cheating over 6 times. You are delusional if you think that level of conduct can just be written off. Not only that but you are arrogant and entitled if you think that we should allow your times on the site after that confession. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by FennerGuy on 05/29/20 at 04:11:36 Yeah I wan't expecting to do that either...but I need to come clean so we all can stop talking about it! I posted fake times when I was 14 or 15 on SMK, but not anymore. I learned my lesson on that when I first got my first camera around 2007-08. As for MK64 and MKDD, I never post fake times or cheated. I did "cheated" back on 2007 on SMK GP, MKSC and MKDS but I stopped of course. The ones I never cheated at all are MKDD, MKW, MK7 and MK8 alongside with MK64 and (since I got added back in 2011) MKSC. As for SMK, it's pretty much game over and as for going to the CDM...I might as well not even go to the CDM since you guys STILL won't let me join the site after all these years :-/ There's always vgr-fr and cyberscore where I can post my records with video and photo proof [smiley=thumbsup.gif] But the good news for you guys is this: I got a lot of video proof on my Mario Kart videos then and now :) |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by SparksF1 on 05/29/20 at 04:53:08 Excellent So theres two sites you can submit to. And they are two sites i'll never bother submitting times on. You cheated 6 times that you admit to. Whos to say theres not many more. So as far as im concerned have fun Fenner and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by FennerGuy on 05/29/20 at 07:08:33 Sites like Cyberscore and VGR-FR can appreciate second chances, not because of ethnicity... [smiley=beer.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by flanders on 05/29/20 at 07:49:10 7D5E55555E497C4E423B0 wrote:
LOL Fenner, you totally fucked up. You’ve cheated several times. There’s not much you can do to redeem yourself. We don’t care about your ethnicity - you cheated, so you have to face the consequences. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by SparksF1 on 05/29/20 at 07:58:03 684B40404B5C695B572E0 wrote:
You got kicked because you cheated. Not because of any ethnicity reasons. And btw you are so far past a second chance its not even funny. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by FennerGuy on 05/29/20 at 08:03:06 624150435A427700310 wrote:
You got kicked because you cheated. Not because of any ethnicity reasons. And btw you are so far past a second chance its not even funny. [/quote] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulIOrQasR18 I'm still gonna compete and make money ::) because honestly...I don't need this community anymore >:( R.I.P T-Man, FennerGuy 2006-2020 Since you still think I'm a fraudulent cheater...seriously :-/ and you'll probably think I cheat on MKT (Mario Kart Tour) as well...if so, fuck all of ya then [smiley=chairshot.gif] I don't do that bullshit >:( |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by SparksF1 on 05/29/20 at 08:14:07 Lol love the lyrics in that song. F#%k the Sun I don’t need heat Yeah suppose you don’t need the gravity to keep your cheating ass from floating into space either [smiley=roll.gif] |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Goomba on 05/29/20 at 14:16:12 12313A3A312613212D540 wrote:
You got kicked because you cheated. Not because of any ethnicity reasons. And btw you are so far past a second chance its not even funny. [/quote] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulIOrQasR18 I'm still gonna compete and make money ::) because honestly...I don't need this community anymore >:( R.I.P T-Man, FennerGuy 2006-2020 Since you still think I'm a fraudulent cheater...seriously :-/ and you'll probably think I cheat on MKT (Mario Kart Tour) as well...if so, fuck all of ya then [smiley=chairshot.gif] I don't do that bullshit >:([/quote] What do you expect? You openly admit that you did stuff ranging from 2006 to 2017, and still there's been drama surrounding you, plus the fact that you don't consider MK64 to be cheated even though you didn't just cheat on time trials, you faked a blindfolded community challenge run for what, clout? Yet you completely act on defense when people question you? You've been given so many more chances than a lot of other players, which you all blew. You've been sketchy for, according to you, 11 years straight, and now expect us to suddenly believe you've changed? Even if you proved every single time, people don't trust you anymore. On top of that, you need to learn that your actions have consequences. Also, it's incredible how often you switch from playing the victim ("You guys are cold hearted" (for not believing someone who has cheated for years, who still is not free from controversy? Is that so unthinkable?) to playing the race card with "ethnicity reasons" (Seriously? Where did that come from)) to going on the attack ("I don't need you guys anymore" to "[Why are you guys doubting me if I stopped cheating]") To summarize: - You've been cheating for a long time, and still have considerable of controversy following you to this very day, showing no sign of change in your personality - You don't seem to realize the impact of your actions, and expect MORE chances even after already haven been giving them, once again, showing no sign of change in your personality - You try to play the victim and attack based on terrible reasoning, showing no sign of change in your personality Even if you promised to never cheat again, you've messed up a long time ago, and give people 0 confidence to think that you wouldn't mess up again. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by FennerGuy on 05/29/20 at 14:56:04 My reaction and response to Goomba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAA1xgTTw9w and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsa1ZvzFgvU Just end the thread. >:( I don't give a fuck ok. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by Chrono Krysster on 05/29/20 at 16:08:56 5E7D76767D6A5F6D61180 wrote:
OK Millennial |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by IsThatAGoodTime on 05/29/20 at 21:06:42 I'm all for inclusivity and redemption. If you get some good times I'll make a page just for you and you can post them there, but since I don't trust you 100%, I will require video proof for every time since I'm putting my neck out for you. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by flanders on 05/30/20 at 04:37:22 43606B6B607742707C050 wrote:
dayum he went HARD. |
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Title: Re: Fenner back on the site? Post by @ndrew on 05/30/20 at 11:53:44 What an amazingly mature response to Goomba's detailed post. You sure are helping your own cause with that! |
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