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Message started by Arvo57 on 05/17/20 at 13:51:50

Title: Suiryu, aftermath
Post by Arvo57 on 05/17/20 at 13:51:50

OK, I thought it was finally time to figure this stuff out. Based on the poll made over 7 months ago I removed the times the majority agreed on from MKLeaderboards. To keep the topic at least somewhat PP-related, I thought we'd have a final vote on whether we should remove suiryu from the Player's Page.

Suiryu has been on frozen for a while now and is unlikely to return anytime soon, it's up to the community to decide whether or not he should be allowed to stay on the PP or put his timesheet on pending and delete his profile until he returns (which is likely not gonna happen).

His times would be backed up so the profile can easily be restored were he to ever return and explain things.

I'll be voting for yes since he's already on the pending list.

Background threads to read if you're not aware of the situation:

http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1572358382
http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1572603060
http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1573409236

List of suiryu's pending times:

TF 1:49.714
CM 1:56.612
KC 2:19.936
BC 2:20.893

@Cole, I hope you also implement these changes on MKwrs.

The poll will close on the 31st of May at 6PM GMT (same time as the pause buffering poll)

(im sorry for being so lazy on this)

EDIT: MY BAD the GV2 one was before

Title: Re: Suiryu, aftermath
Post by flanders on 05/17/20 at 14:31:02

Imo, we should keep him frozen. MKDD still has frozen players on the site that haven’t played in over a decade. Plus, we don’t have proof that he actually cheated. The times are fishy for sure, but until we have proof that he did/didn’t cheat, we should keep him frozen. And you never know, there’s always the off chance that he comes back and proves himself.

We could also try reaching out to him via email, since his email is linked to his profile, but idk how possible that is.

Title: Re: Suiryu, aftermath
Post by Arvo57 on 05/17/20 at 15:32:17

After reviewing my post for a second time and reading flanders' reply, I'm a lot more neutral on this. I'll still vote for yes but I think voting no also makes sense.

We'll be deleting the pending times no matter what, I don't think that really needs to be argued based on the decision that we made before. I don't really know what the PP says about backrolling individual times after this long but I don't think that's a thing that's illegal to do here. Right?

I don't know how this site works

Title: Re: Suiryu, aftermath
Post by Mango Man on 05/17/20 at 16:11:12

2300150C000F610 wrote:

Still cannot wrap my head why Suiryu's 2:21.070 and 2:20.893 BC are official while the .475 is not, when all 3:
1. Have the same insufficient proof validation.
2. Are dated after the launch of CTGP Revolution.

In the wake of Nagisa's exposure, every Suiryu WR uploaded by Nagisa should be removed IMO. There is NO PROOF these records were ever legit. The community only recognized them because Nagisa was trusted. Obviously that trust has been blown out the door, leaving 0 weight and credibility to these four Suiryu WRs.
The ghosts are not driven on CTGP. The ghosts are not available on the database. No communication with Suiryu himself to confirm if it was even him who drove them. Need I say more [smiley=lolk.gif]

Title: Re: Suiryu, aftermath
Post by Vinnie927 on 05/17/20 at 17:36:44

6E4C40485F42436E2D0 wrote:

I don't like how there are frozen players who are almost certainly never proving themselves on the MKDD site. Why can't they just remove the timesheet but keep it backed up somewhere?

That's what I think should happen here too, remove suiryu's timesheet for being a suspicious player but keep it backed up somewhere so it can be reinstated if proof is provided.

Also, I agree with having a consistent logic for WR history. Either count all of suiryu's recent WRs or none of them. (I would keep none of them)

Title: Re: Suiryu, aftermath
Post by Cole on 05/18/20 at 11:35:06

7063677E2426110 wrote:

@Cole, I hope you also implement these changes on MKwrs.

Done, moved all his post-WFC times to pending.

Title: Re: Suiryu, aftermath
Post by Watermelon on 05/18/20 at 16:44:48

7955565F7D5356585F484E3A0 wrote:

[quote author=7063677E2426110 link=1589752310/0#0 date=1589752310]
@Cole, I hope you also implement these changes on MKwrs.

Done, moved all his post-WFC times to pending.[/quote]

BP DK now has the 23rd longest lasting WR reign [smiley=lolk.gif]

Title: Re: Suiryu, aftermath
Post by Arvo57 on 05/31/20 at 10:57:42

Poll is closed, suiryu's times have been changed to the right ones and he will remain on Frozen until the day he returns (if he ever does)