Mario Kart MB https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Mario Kart >> Super Mario Kart >> SMK for Nintendo Switch https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1567719332 Message started by Jazzy on 09/05/19 at 13:35:32

Title: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Jazzy on 09/05/19 at 13:35:32 SMK is being released tomorrow amongst some other SNES games for those with a Nintendo Switch Online subscription. I'm curious if it would be allowed to submit times from this version of the game to the Players' Page NTSC charts under the condition that I live stream my attempts?

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/05/19 at 20:18:35 577C6767645056251D0 wrote: SMK is being released tomorrow amongst some other SNES games for those with a Nintendo Switch Online subscription. I'm curious if it would be allowed to submit times from this version of the game to the Players' Page NTSC charts under the condition that I live stream my attempts? I have already asked Alex to update the joining page to not allow it on Super Mario Kart due to the same save states / rewind feature it apparantly has as per the Wii U etc. The same situation would apply with the other systems regarding live streaming. As far as I know also on the Mario Kart 64 site everyone pretty much only streams via the original console or the original Wii. I am out of the country for a while but if anyone can confirm the interface exactly in case there is anything additional we need to know about? Mainly everyone is testing out the online multiplayer feature as that has been of main interest.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by hahaae on 09/05/19 at 20:34:35 Online multiplayer apparently works just fine for battle mode / match race / GP Tweeted to you about it, but I think now would be a good time to implement a secondary site, similar to how MK64 does secondary sites for yearly ranks, etc., that would allow both Wii U and Switch VC to be used. New players who don't have a SNES, and can't be bothered to buy one (honestly, I don't blame them) are going to have SMK for Switch Online, from all countries. This could allow older players, such as we've seen Su/cstrakm playing SMK on Wii U, as well as an entire new generation of SMK players, to actually compete with another and dip their toes into the SMK pool (as well as any current SMK players on the main site who just want to play, say non-NBT, etc., on the Switch). Otherwise you'd just be turning down potentially a lot of competition and new people. If aforementioned players loved the game and actually want to compete on the main rankings, then I bet they'd have a lot less qualms with buying a SNES, seeing as they already play and enjoy the game / get to interact with the community. Could also maybe host tournaments and have some sort of online ranking system for Battle/Match Race/GP on the site, since all work and can be competed with easily. Idk, just a thought. I know shit around SMK is done extremely old-school, but I think that would be a nice inclusion, rather than just hardcore turning down people who are interested, making them be like "oh, well fuck it then." [smiley=zark.gif]?

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/05/19 at 22:25:46 3D3D3D550 wrote: Online multiplayer apparently works just fine for battle mode / match race / GP Tweeted to you about it, but I think now would be a good time to implement a secondary site, similar to how MK64 does secondary sites for yearly ranks, etc., that would allow both Wii U and Switch VC to be used. New players who don't have a SNES, and can't be bothered to buy one (honestly, I don't blame them) are going to have SMK for Switch Online, from all countries. This could allow older players, such as we've seen Su/cstrakm playing SMK on Wii U, as well as an entire new generation of SMK players, to actually compete with another and dip their toes into the SMK pool (as well as any current SMK players on the main site who just want to play, say non-NBT, etc., on the Switch). Otherwise you'd just be turning down potentially a lot of competition and new people. If aforementioned players loved the game and actually want to compete on the main rankings, then I bet they'd have a lot less qualms with buying a SNES, seeing as they already play and enjoy the game / get to interact with the community. Could also maybe host tournaments and have some sort of online ranking system for Battle/Match Race/GP on the site, since all work and can be competed with easily. Idk, just a thought. I know shit around SMK is done extremely old-school, but I think that would be a nice inclusion, rather than just hardcore turning down people who are interested, making them be like "oh, well fuck it then." [smiley=zark.gif]? Hi man, I have tweeted back already. Please read what I wrote. I think everyone is a little overexcited at the moment mainly with the addition for online playing, I think that is what is most of the focus as it was something the public generally wanted to do. Which is good. I have had a read on various sites this morning and general feedback hasn't really been a demand for SMK, but more for all of the games (and a lot questioning the missing Donkey Kong Country games - which willl hopefully be released later) however yes we will have people approaching us. Before anything else I would recommend everyone who can do to test this system thoroughly. Then we can see about any side projects. I had concerns about how consistent the online was, people have had mixed results so far and it may be just down to connection. Some of the guys have been using net play. There was SNESOT prior to this. So this could lead to a new online multiplayer site of some kind being created in future. Perhaps a spiritual successor to SNESOT? If anyone has any ideas please do share. Just a thought, if players truly want to take part, I'm sure they would be keen and very many have done so, in getting an original SNES. When there is a will, there is a way. The specific timing on the original SNES is always better than any other system and it is the best one to train on for those that want to enter the Championships SMKC and ASMKC. A few players have noted it would be a bit useless for Championship training but let's see first when they do comparisons. Let's park that thought aside for the moment and look at the fun aspect too. We have played on emulators for SNESOT and I'm sure those who used netplay will agree on the timing and lag differences. If they just wanted to play Time Trial only and online for fun that is a separate matter. But then in that case if they were allowed to use the new system they would have absolute zero reason to get an original SNES. Same situation. Unless they are gearing towards the Championships. So like SNESOT if there are any other projects, they could be built externally in future and linked up. Please let us know any feedback on your experiences playing this weekend. Please note that I am out of the country for some time for important reasons. I have hardly slept last night so sorry if I have missed anything. I will try to check here when I can. Looking forward to hear anymore feedback from you guys.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Harvey Kartel on 09/05/19 at 22:43:23 As far as I'm concerned, only the original SNES version should be allowed on your charts.  [smiley=smokin.gif] There is no other way to truly experience SMK than to play it with the hardware (and controllers) that it was always meant to be played with...

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/05/19 at 23:10:33 61464C4740434E5C70674E5D594A562F0 wrote: As far as I'm concerned, only the original SNES version should be allowed on your charts.  [smiley=smokin.gif] There is no other way to truly experience SMK than to play it with the hardware (and controllers) that it was always meant to be played with... +1,000,000 But still... let's let everyone use it first for a while and let us know their thoughts on the online multiplayer system. I am keen to hear a list of Pros and Cons.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Danger M on 09/06/19 at 04:10:26 imo, banning another load of potential players from the site just because nintendo now have a rudemenary (and ulmost unusable) restore point system integrated into their rereleases of snes games is severly limiting the potential new players the site will get. Remember we get cheats with or without these things, and speedrunning in general allows various 'emulator' players to participate and look how that is thriving. I could hardly see anyone getting to the top on Switch (it doesn't feel that great to play imo), but they might get hooked on lower tier TT-ing to the point that they do then go for the 'real' snes experience. I've said this before, and will say it again with ever rerelease.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by KVD on 09/06/19 at 04:12:18 Having them allowed on the yearly sites (if they would ever make an appearance) would be a very sensical thing to do. Sort of like a gateway to the real thing for spin-off version users. If they get hooked enough, they'll invest in a SNES down the line to join the eternal rankings.  :) Of course yearly sites would be a completely separate entity from the Players' Site database. So any fallout from saved state abuse or whatever won't hit the Players' Sites' shores. Or am I being too naive?

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Jazzy on 09/06/19 at 05:44:11 I have read everything here and I understand where you are coming from. However, it seems the reason the Switch VC would not be allowed is because of a savestate feature. But if I am required to stream my attempts, it would be clear that I did not use it. Streaming is better proof than the majority of players on the site. So where is the reasoning to ban players who stream their attempts?

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/06/19 at 06:53:35 7F55465158340 wrote: Having them allowed on the yearly sites (if they would ever make an appearance) would be a very sensical thing to do. Sort of like a gateway to the real thing for spin-off version users. If they get hooked enough, they'll invest in a SNES down the line to join the eternal rankings.  :) Of course yearly sites would be a completely separate entity from the Players' Site database. So any fallout from saved state abuse or whatever won't hit the Players' Sites' shores. Or am I being too naive? Jazzy, what do you think of this as a solution? This would have to be a separate entity though. Like the Non-NBT or GP 150cc sites. If someone wants to do it. On a separate note I read that the Non-NBT site will no longer be updated by Alicia, so that needs someone to take over too. Then as Ethan said earlier if players want to get into it more seriously then they can invest in an original SNES (with a view to attend a championship for example as well which in that case they will need moreso). David said it doesnt feel that great to play on. But there are mixed views. How many of you have tried it? This way there would be a solution for those who want to take part in some form with the Switch and stream only. What do you all think? Silly question but might not be. Does anyone from MK64 site stream from a virtual console because that might be ok to, or is that also not allowed? They dont have N64 Switch Online yet as far as I know but that may happen next? Would that be the same question there too? Maybe Moll cananswer that one as he plays MK64 more and is involved with the community there at their championships. Just wondered.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Jazzy on 09/06/19 at 07:39:50 A separate site would be interesting, at least as a way to keep track of my records. But I guess maybe someday I might be able to get a SNES to join the main site.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Danger M on 09/06/19 at 11:43:01 mk64 main site only allows wii vc not wii u vc (same as here, basically no savestates). The yearly site lets anyone join (from pc emulator users to n64 users). I really do think the site is severly limiting itself by not allowing switch/wii u/snes classic users join out of a fear that they will use some barely functional savestate functionality to cheat. Its actually easier to cheat in a useful manner on a 'real' snes than it is on those systems.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/06/19 at 13:40:40 0D2F2C2C400 wrote: mk64 main site only allows wii vc not wii u vc (same as here, basically no savestates). The yearly site lets anyone join (from pc emulator users to n64 users). I really do think the site is severly limiting itself by not allowing switch/wii u/snes classic users join out of a fear that they will use some barely functional savestate functionality to cheat. Its actually easier to cheat in a useful manner on a 'real' snes than it is on those systems. As mentioned a yearly site would be the only viable solution but it would have to be external to the main site like Non-NBT, GP, CDM site, previous SNESOT are. This can be for the Switch users ( and others if they wish) and someone or a group of people like the other sites needs to create and maintain it. It can be linked up accordingly. Then whatever happens everyone has somewhere to go with their system. And if they want to push competition further towards training for CDM for example, which is pretty much always in PAL then they can buy a SNES, or if they are not interested they dont have to. In which case I dont foresee them playing for long term. But the idea is to have something there, rather than nothing at all. So, looking for anyone who wants to create that system from scratch and take it on.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Rookie on 09/09/19 at 23:28:03 Honestly I think players should be allowed to use Switches for rankings. People who are going to cheat are going to try to find a way to do it anyway. The whole site practically runs off a trust system to begin with, and as a result those who are caught are rightfully going to be banned forever. I understand you could make the argument that players can "prove" savestated times with pictures, but in reality, even for people who play on an original SNES, we know that picture proof is no longer valid to begin with due to the Switch existing like this (it never really was either). I really see absolutely no reason why streamed attempts could not be accepted on the Players Page, unless i'm missing something like the game being slightly different, which I don't think I am. I know the console is cheap now, but I personally think it's a really old fashioned mindset to just expect new players to buy an original SNES just to TT. New players absolutely won't do it (the incentive to get a SNES goes down considering most of the best games will be on the Switch in the future as well). There's almost no reason to do it outside of appeasing older community veterans, which new players will not do. I own SMK on the SNES too, but my SNES loses save data frequently if I accidentally move a cable too harshly from what I've noticed when a cartridge is in it. I decided to use the Wii instead for my past records. To someone who is just alright at the game, it's a way better way to play the game than the original SNES (which is my first console that I'm super nostalgic for). I feel like if anything, it would be a missed opportunity to not take full advantage of the Switch offering SMK to begin with. This really is huge and I feel like there's not actually an urgency to capitalize on it here. This is probably the most unique opportunity for the game since making the TT site to begin with over 15 years ago. Online play is now super easy, even if it still is just for 1v1s. Playing actual people on SMK has never been an easy thing before. The Switch is a popular console, and a whole new generation of Nintendo fans that want to be able to play, MK8, Ultimate, Splatoon, etc. online have this game on the table for free now. If anything the Switch version should be embraced and maybe have some tournaments offered for it, just my opinion.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/10/19 at 01:48:31 250B0 wrote: Honestly I think players should be allowed to use Switches for rankings. People who are going to cheat are going to try to find a way to do it anyway. The whole site practically runs off a trust system to begin with, and as a result those who are caught are rightfully going to be banned forever. I understand you could make the argument that players can "prove" savestated times with pictures, but in reality, even for people who play on an original SNES, we know that picture proof is no longer valid to begin with due to the Switch existing like this (it never really was either). I really see absolutely no reason why streamed attempts could not be accepted on the Players Page, unless i'm missing something like the game being slightly different, which I don't think I am. I know the console is cheap now, but I personally think it's a really old fashioned mindset to just expect new players to buy an original SNES just to TT. New players absolutely won't do it (the incentive to get a SNES goes down considering most of the best games will be on the Switch in the future as well). There's almost no reason to do it outside of appeasing older community veterans, which new players will not do. I own SMK on the SNES too, but my SNES loses save data frequently if I accidentally move a cable too harshly from what I've noticed when a cartridge is in it. I decided to use the Wii instead for my past records. To someone who is just alright at the game, it's a way better way to play the game than the original SNES (which is my first console that I'm super nostalgic for). I feel like if anything, it would be a missed opportunity to not take full advantage of the Switch offering SMK to begin with. This really is huge and I feel like there's not actually an urgency to capitalize on it here. This is probably the most unique opportunity for the game since making the TT site to begin with over 15 years ago. Online play is now super easy, even if it still is just for 1v1s. Playing actual people on SMK has never been an easy thing before. The Switch is a popular console, and a whole new generation of Nintendo fans that want to be able to play, MK8, Ultimate, Splatoon, etc. online have this game on the table for free now. If anything the Switch version should be embraced and maybe have some tournaments offered for it, just my opinion. Hiya, Really appreciated for your input and I understand your points, the same has already been said.There have already been Super Mario Kart releases on several virtual consoles. The main difference with this one is the online play which is nothing to do with time trial. There was a previous website called SNESOT which used to host anything to do with online Super Mario.Kart competition. Unfortunately that is gone, so if someone wants to create something (no rush) then they are very welcome to. If you read my previous post I have offered an alternate solution, based on a suggestion by Karel. It hasn't been and out and out ban but having something in the side to cater for those on the Switch. We are hearing there may be a huge amount of players that want to be involved in SMK, on the Switch, without the burden of having to spend money on an.original SNES / SFC. That's understandable. But in that case, I will ask again, can someone create something which we can link up to? I thought someone would jump but it's been a bit quiet. I guess not everyone has a Switch or has had a chance to try it, or given their opinion. I think David Moll (correct me if I'm wrong please) said that it may not be as possible to go as sharp as the original SNES in terms of NBT and Non-NBT due to the input lag, even if it is very slight. I am not sure how everyone else has noticed it being? If they are unable to get as fast as on a SNES then it would be even more useful to compare Switch players vs Switch Players rather than mixing them when SNES CRT players will always have an advantage. Then what do you do about SNES mini, Wii U and 3DS VC players? Is it the end of the World if there is a separate site for Switch SMK players? At least for some time until everyone really discusses this further? Some will jump high in the air and really not want another side site. That's fine I agree, but dont forget that our partner sites whether they are here or not now have been fantastic: Non-NBT GP 150cc records Former SNESOT FFSMK / CDM site Please can everyone else give their feedback and detailed thoughts. Thanks.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by KVD on 09/10/19 at 03:08:51 I may be wrong, but I don't think we'll see the creation of a yearly site very soon. It's quite a big undertaking and requires someone with sufficient knowledge and motivation to pull it off. The problem is that it basically needs to be created from scratch, as the MK64 one uses a different database system. Goomba brought up an interesting point in one of the underground WhatsApp groups ( [smiley=ninja.gif]). We could profit from this wave of resparked interest in SMK by allowing Switch users to join the rankings, but limit it to top-100 or top-50 (for example). As soon as they start getting times below this threshold, real SNESes would be the requirement (community pressure for players committed enough to get times of this level would probably win out; like SM64 allows VC and stuff but all of the real top players are competing on N64). Obviously, if such a rule could be implemented, this would put the effort back in Sami's court right now. Outside of the question whether he (and we) feel(s) it's the right thing to do or not, I don't know if he even has the time or knowledge at this point to make the rankings ready to include Switch users...would it require Penev? To create like an extra filter or whatever (ala speedrun.com rankings). Thoughts?

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/10/19 at 03:25:41 103A293E375B0 wrote: I may be wrong, but I don't think we'll see the creation of a yearly site very soon. It's quite a big undertaking and requires someone with sufficient knowledge and motivation to pull it off. The problem is that it basically needs to be created from scratch, as the MK64 one uses a different database system. Goomba brought up an interesting point in one of the underground WhatsApp groups ( [smiley=ninja.gif]). We could profit from this wave of resparked interest in SMK by allowing Switch users to join the rankings, but limit it to top-100 or top-50 (for example). As soon as they start getting times below this threshold, real SNESes would be the requirement (community pressure for players committed enough to get times of this level would probably win out; like SM64 allows VC and stuff but all of the real top players are competing on N64). Obviously, if such a rule could be implemented, this would put the effort back in Sami's court right now. Outside of the question whether he (and we) feel(s) it's the right thing to do or not, I don't know if he even has the time or knowledge at this point to make the rankings ready to include Switch users...would it require Penev? To create like an extra filter or whatever (ala speedrun.com rankings). Thoughts? Hi Karel, Thanks for your input, some interesting ideas and happy to listen to them all. I know Penev won't want to do any major new building of filters as it will be a lot of work in the background. Only on the profiles of said players who join this way on their 'Other Info' it could be listed as 'Nintendo Switch'. It wont be visible on an average finish etc but that would be the short way around it. It would be an unusual approach but would at least be again a way forward. I guess Top 50 would be more heavy NBT usage. What is the situation with getting high level NBTs on the Switch. Has anyone tested vs their current PRs? What does everyone else think of this suggestion from Karel? Please continue to share any other options. Again apologies as I am abroad at the moment and out most of the days, il try to check here as often as I can.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by ★Chrono★ ★Krysster★ on 09/10/19 at 06:58:25 Talking about SMK for Nintendo Switch here is my Friend Code: SW-0474-3384-3616 Please add me if you want to play SMK against me, I'll be ready playing against anybody starting from Friday the 13th this week, I'll play non-NBT* (only) and in GP and MR (only). *I could play in NBT because I have a SF30 Pro gamepad by 8Bitdo, this one (https://i.imgur.com/VYKFYM7.jpg), but I'm not going to open this kind of gamepad just to make the D-pad pro-NBT (in case of failure), and the SF30 Pro is one of the best controllers for Nintendo Switch and I don't want to mess that up, but instead of that I'll buy the official SNES controller for Nintendo Switch soon and then I'll transform it as a pro-NBT controller and so I'll play in NBT mode (you'll be notified or you'll notice it). http://i.imgur.com/aEK0CZ9.png                     Cheers!

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Danger M on 09/10/19 at 07:23:34 I tried swapping out an 8bitdo controllers dpad with an nbt modded snes dpad (since the dpads are pretty much identical), the results were not good. Best nbt on Switch I've managed so far was using an nbt modded snes classic/mini controller via a wired 8bitdo pad adapter. I was able to get an 11.17 MC1 lap that way in almost no effort. The nbt is decent but by no means perfect. I think the issue is that the switch doesn't actually allow opposing dpad directions to be pressed at same time, so can only really generate nbt boosts with fast movements across the dpad and can't just mush the whole dpad down to generate boosts on straights. But for most boosts (on corners) it is fine, certainly good enough for the type of boost you'd want to do for online play, but not for getting top time trial times on straight boost heavy tracks. As for the other thing, I think it's clear that I'm all for allowing more people to be able to join the site using offical nintendo releases of the game rather than requiring people to play on hardware that is no longer sold.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/10/19 at 07:32:51 496B6868040 wrote: I tried swapping out an 8bitdo controllers dpad with an nbt modded snes dpad (since the dpads are pretty much identical), the results were not good. Best nbt on Switch I've managed so far was using an nbt modded snes classic/mini controller via a wired 8bitdo pad adapter. I was able to get an 11.17 MC1 lap that way in almost no effort. The nbt is decent but by no means perfect. I think the issue is that the switch doesn't actually allow opposing dpad directions to be pressed at same time, so can only really generate nbt boosts with fast movements across the dpad and can't just mush the whole dpad down to generate boosts on straights. But for most boosts (on corners) it is fine, certainly good enough for the type of boost you'd want to do for online play, but not for getting top time trial times on straight boost heavy tracks. As for the other thing, I think it's clear that I'm all for allowing more people to be able to join the site using offical nintendo releases of the game rather than requiring people to play on hardware that is no longer sold. Thanks for the details David. So basically extremely awkward NBTs will.pretty much not happen but then general ones which have wider or easier preparation are possible but maybe not so sharply done. DP1 etc.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Max28 on 09/10/19 at 07:52:44 Allowing Switch on the site would be super cool and good for the site I think.  I would definitely join, since I have my Switch with me at school but not my Wii so I can't play Wii VC.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by ★Chrono★ ★Krysster★ on 09/10/19 at 08:10:05 082A2929450 wrote: I tried swapping out an 8bitdo controllers dpad with an nbt modded snes dpad (since the dpads are pretty much identical), the results were not good. Best nbt on Switch I've managed so far was using an nbt modded snes classic/mini controller via a wired 8bitdo pad adapter. I was able to get an 11.17 MC1 lap that way in almost no effort. The nbt is decent but by no means perfect. I think the issue is that the switch doesn't actually allow opposing dpad directions to be pressed at same time, so can only really generate nbt boosts with fast movements across the dpad and can't just mush the whole dpad down to generate boosts on straights. But for most boosts (on corners) it is fine, certainly good enough for the type of boost you'd want to do for online play, but not for getting top time trial times on straight boost heavy tracks. So, I'm so glad I haven't tried this before, my SF30 remains safe :D 192B27234A0 wrote: Thanks for the details David. So basically extremely awkward NBTs will.pretty much not happen Yes thank you mate! And for a definite answer Sami, we just have to wait for the release of the official SNES controller for Nintendo Switch from Nintendo, this one (https://i.imgur.com/Fr7r9vp.jpg), maybe making pro-NBT this controller will be perfect for wild NBTs ;D :-X

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/10/19 at 08:57:19 427B707A7A7D6C7B3E3E3E090 wrote: [quote author=082A2929450 link=1567719332/0#18 date=1568129014]I tried swapping out an 8bitdo controllers dpad with an nbt modded snes dpad (since the dpads are pretty much identical), the results were not good. Best nbt on Switch I've managed so far was using an nbt modded snes classic/mini controller via a wired 8bitdo pad adapter. I was able to get an 11.17 MC1 lap that way in almost no effort. The nbt is decent but by no means perfect. I think the issue is that the switch doesn't actually allow opposing dpad directions to be pressed at same time, so can only really generate nbt boosts with fast movements across the dpad and can't just mush the whole dpad down to generate boosts on straights. But for most boosts (on corners) it is fine, certainly good enough for the type of boost you'd want to do for online play, but not for getting top time trial times on straight boost heavy tracks. So, I'm so glad I haven't tried this before, my SF30 remains safe :D 192B27234A0 wrote: Thanks for the details David. So basically extremely awkward NBTs will.pretty much not happen Yes thank you mate! And for a definite answer Sami, we just have to wait for the release of the official SNES controller for Nintendo Switch from Nintendo, this one (https://i.imgur.com/Fr7r9vp.jpg), maybe making pro-NBT this controller will be perfect for wild NBTs ;D :-X [/quote] Do you mean better NBTs? Or just hopefully as good as the current NBTs?

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Danger M on 09/10/19 at 09:16:18 I don't think perfect nbt will be possible on switch with any controller (similar to with snes classic) as the way dpads are interpreted is different. I believe they are seen as 8way hat switch style inputs now rather than as 4 buttons so no longer possible to have simultaneous opposing directions pressed (hebce can't just mush the whole dpad down when generating boosts, have to be much more left-right movement precisie otherwise you will get locked into a single direction and get wildly thrown off course). But this only really affects those nbts where you mush the dpad on a straight, for multiplayer play it is fine and for decent time trials it is also fine, just certain boosts become more difficult to control the build up of.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Lafungo on 09/10/19 at 14:10:25 I am very much on board with allowing players to submit times set on any of the official SMK releases (SNES, Wii VC, Wii U VC, SNES Mini, Switch Online). The only real caveat I suggest is to have new players state which version they're using so that it can be noted in their profile page if they're not using a SNES (in the Other Info section as Sami mentioned). If necessary, these players can be subject to a bit more scrutiny than usual given the built-in pseudo-save state feature. This is the approach that has been used (rather successfully, I'd say) from the get-go for the MKSC PP. (See for example http://www.mariokart64.com/mksc/profile.php?pid=304) As an anecdote, I would like to point out that I first joined the SMK PP with a timesheet set on Wii VC. I likely would have never tried SMK, attended CDM 2012, and bought a SNES (in that order) had I not been able to compete on the PP with times set on Wii VC.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Danger M on 09/11/19 at 06:41:21 I too joined on wii vc, and I too would likely not have joined if I'd needed to buy a snes to play from the start (which essentially is the only choice now since the wii vc shop closed down earlier this year).

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by PT on 09/11/19 at 07:27:21 Just posting to give my support to allow players to join with any of the systems mentioned in the previous posts. If you want to reach a wider range of people then allowing this would benefit the site in my opinion. If these players enjoy the game then they could even decide to buy a SNES in the future, like Lafungo and Moll. Typically a lot of younger people won't have a SNES and will not go and buy one just to try out SMK, but like mentioned, if they enjoy it and really want to get into the game, they might buy one. But in the end it is down to Sami.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/11/19 at 13:46:53 7B6E7575626E610F0 wrote: Just posting to give my support to allow players to join with any of the systems mentioned in the previous posts. If you want to reach a wider range of people then allowing this would benefit the site in my opinion. If these players enjoy the game then they could even decide to buy a SNES in the future, like Lafungo and Moll. Typically a lot of younger people won't have a SNES and will not go and buy one just to try out SMK, but like mentioned, if they enjoy it and really want to get into the game, they might buy one. [smiley=birthdays.gif] But in the end it is down to Sami. Thanks Paul, will be sorting this out shortly as it seems that it is pretty much all agreed with everyone I have spoken to.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Jazzy on 09/11/19 at 16:23:07 I support the eligibility of any official release of SMK to join, in case that wasn't clear. If the rules are changed, I'll surely join once I finish a timesheet.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/12/19 at 22:42:21 6249525251656310280 wrote: I support the eligibility of any official release of SMK to join, in case that wasn't clear. If the rules are changed, I'll surely join once I finish a timesheet. Il try sort this out effective for Monday's update. We could wait one more week but there is probably little point as everything has been discussed already. If there is anything else anyone wants to add please write here. Thanks.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by ★Chrono★ ★Krysster★ on 09/14/19 at 03:28:02 1D2F23274E0 wrote: [quote author=427B707A7A7D6C7B3E3E3E090 link=1567719332/0#21 date=1568131805]Yes thank you mate! And for a definite answer Sami, we just have to wait for the release of the official SNES controller for Nintendo Switch from Nintendo, this one (https://i.imgur.com/Fr7r9vp.jpg), maybe making pro-NBT this controller will be perfect for wild NBTs ;D :-X Do you mean better NBTs? Or just hopefully as good as the current NBTs? [/quote] Yep, I meant at least as good as the current NBTs ;D 5D7077647F767E110 wrote: I am very much on board with allowing players to submit times set on any of the official SMK releases (SNES, Wii VC, Wii U VC, SNES Mini, Switch Online). Also on New 3DS / New 3DS XL and New 2DS XL! ;) Well, allowing the players to submit times with all the official Nintendo systems is sorta like this: a yes = opening the gates of Hell a no= closing the doors of Heaven Cruel dilemma.. http://https://i.imgur.com/w1GzjZW.jpg That it's a precious as a Godfather's choice [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/14/19 at 08:27:16 It's ok we are just doing what everyone wants as we said above. Hopefully any players wishing to join with the Switch and others will enjoy.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sumner21 on 09/14/19 at 17:30:48 I think you have to let anyone join now days, all the mention of newbies not buying an actual console etc is probably correct but even less likely would be the willingness to get or use a crt.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Harvey Kartel on 09/14/19 at 18:21:34 I wish people would quit saying that you need a CRT to play SMK properly. I play on a flatscreen and there's none of that "lag" that everyone talks about-- either I'm really lucky to have a set with no lag, or my brain is exceptionally good at adapting to it.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/15/19 at 01:49:37 5B7C767D7A7974664A5D746763706C150 wrote: I wish people would quit saying that you need a CRT to play SMK properly. I play on a flatscreen and there's none of that "lag" that everyone talks about-- either I'm really lucky to have a set with no lag, or my brain is exceptionally good at adapting to it. We just mean generally. You have to push one or two buttons (or maybe slightly more settings on a flat screen) to get it to precisely match that of a CRT. CRT just plug it in. Play. Done.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Antistar on 09/15/19 at 04:42:09 56717B707774796B4750796A6E7D61180 wrote: I wish people would quit saying that you need a CRT to play SMK properly. I play on a flatscreen and there's none of that "lag" that everyone talks about-- either I'm really lucky to have a set with no lag, or my brain is exceptionally good at adapting to it. Personally I wish all flatscreens had no lag at all, and I just think yours is a good one for old systems. I have never been able to find a HD screen that allows me do to frame-perfect stuff just like I need for many NBT cuts, GV1/GV2 platform jumps, VL2 island jumps and of course, perfect Rainbow Road jumps for example. :-/

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/15/19 at 07:45:32 002C3F2422757B4D0 wrote: [quote author=56717B707774796B4750796A6E7D61180 link=1567719332/25#33 date=1568514094]I wish people would quit saying that you need a CRT to play SMK properly. I play on a flatscreen and there's none of that "lag" that everyone talks about-- either I'm really lucky to have a set with no lag, or my brain is exceptionally good at adapting to it. Personally I wish all flatscreens had no lag at all, and I just think yours is a good one for old systems. I have never been able to find a HD screen that allows me do to frame-perfect stuff just like I need for many NBT cuts, GV1/GV2 platform jumps, VL2 island jumps and of course, perfect Rainbow Road jumps for example. :-/[/quote] Agreed. HD Screen needs to be absolutely and exactly the same, or it is CRT or nothing.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sumner21 on 09/16/19 at 02:52:25 Wow I did not know there were some flatscreens with no lag, I thought they all did. It basically comes back to how much the TV company were willing to spend, if they had no budget they all could have just put an OSSC like Molls, or similar setup, inside and there would be no lag but they must normally use a much cheaper circuit. Harvey is your flat screen you use quite old? - when composite may still have been at the fore front - what model TV is it?

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Jazzy on 09/16/19 at 10:08:49 Glad to see official rereleases allowed now. I'll surely join.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/16/19 at 13:36:11 5A716A6A695D5B28100 wrote: Glad to see official rereleases allowed now. I'll surely join. Thanks Jazzy, let us know when you are ready.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Etch on 09/16/19 at 15:47:47 >That's hot... http://https://i.imgur.com/KTD5wFy.png

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Antistar on 09/16/19 at 17:16:36 So, now any kind of official release (including the ones with "savestates") is allowed? Sorry for not having read the full thread. Will there be separate charts for non-original SNES timesets?

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/16/19 at 23:31:17 0D2132292F7876400 wrote: So, now any kind of official release (including the ones with "savestates") is allowed? Sorry for not having read the full thread. Will there be separate charts for non-original SNES timesets? Same charts, but yeah any of the official releases. Details are all above in the thread.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by KVD on 09/17/19 at 01:37:14 Cool to see you made a swift move Sami.  :) Not sure if it was clarified on the joining page info (and news item on front page), but I guess the obvious should still be stated? --> no rewind option allowed (it should be stated in the joining info at least right?). And to enforce that, live replays for times >top-50? Just throwing ideas in here, as I'm not sure what the current communication is regarding those matters.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/17/19 at 01:47:01 73594A5D54380 wrote: Cool to see you made a swift move Sami.  :) Not sure if it was clarified on the joining page info (and news item on front page), but I guess the obvious should still be stated? --> no rewind option allowed (it should be stated in the joining info at least right?). And to enforce that, live replays for times >top-50? Just throwing ideas in here, as I'm not sure what the current communication is regarding those matters. Hi Karel, Yes sorry Alex and I did some updates. Please let me know if any detail is missing. Il let Alex know the above, I had a couple other things to ask him so il do that same time.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Firewaster on 09/17/19 at 02:20:28 Btw, is Jazzy our first Switch entrant? Welcome Jazzy

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Sami de la SMK on 09/17/19 at 02:21:41 79564D5A485E4C4B5A4D3F0 wrote: Btw, is Jazzy our first Switch entrant? Welcome Jazzy Yep, he will be and he sent his times. Welcome to Jazzy too :)

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Jazzy on 09/17/19 at 10:29:41 Thank you, guess I made a bit of history here in a sense. Most of my times I only gave the track a few attempts except for my MC1. But I'll be playing more with time. My goal is to have a full timesheet on all the players pages. So far I have full timesheets on MK8/Deluxe, MK7, and SMK now, and I'm close to completing MKDS.

Title: Re: SMK for Nintendo Switch Post by Tom1 on 09/19/19 at 14:00:21 Did a cheeky 1’04 earlier on mc1. Add me to play mp

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