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https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Mario Kart >> Mario Kart Wii >> My apology to the MKW community https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1549686930 Message started by Dotman on 02/08/19 at 20:35:30 |
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Title: My apology to the MKW community Post by Dotman on 02/08/19 at 20:35:30 Hey everyone, it's Jorge. I have recently decided to play MKW Time Trials again, and I thought it would be best to finally apologize to all of you for the cheating and lying that I did in the past in this community. I should have apologized a long time ago, and I am sorry that it took so long to bring this message to all of you. I feel very ashamed of myself because of all the cheated times that I got that I tried to pass as legitimate, and the clear betrayal of trust that I did to everyone in this community by doing this. The circumstances of my cheating especially highlights the magnitude of how much I manipulated and lied to everyone because of the skill that I had previously acquired in the game. With the skill that I had acquired through playing before I started cheating in around May 2010, I attempted to trick everyone into believing that my times were legitimate because I could in theory do them. Instead of actually sitting down and grinding until I achieved my goals legitimately, I took the easy way out and used slow-mode cheats to be able to get many of my times post-May 2010. I completely disregarded all of the legitimate efforts that all of you put into this game, and instead I allowed my greed for more records to cloud my judgment. Looking back at it now, it was not just a frustration at my inability to do chain wheelies that pushed me to cheat, but it was also greed and entitlement stemming from the belief that I should have a lot more world records. These thoughts that I had back then were immature and completely ignored and disrespected all of you who played the game fairly and actually tried to deal with the mechanics of the game instead of resorting to cheating. Throughout this time where I betrayed the trust of the entire community, there were a few individuals that I got particularly close to and that I would like to mention since I feel like I completely let them down and took advantage of their friendship with me. The individuals that most come to mind are NMeade, Sword, and Aruba. There are also many others that I befriended throughout my time playing MKW both in Time Trials and Wifi that I would like to talk to and address these words to, but NMeade, Sword and Aruba all believed in me and supported me a lot since very early on so I would like to apologize to all 3 directly. How I continuously lied to all of you about my legitimacy and took advantage of our friendship was honestly disgusting from my part, and all of you deserved way better from me. How I pretended to be legitimate during my rivalry with NMeade completely disrespected and disregarded the trust that we had in each other as competitors. You were also very supportive of me even when we were competing against each other, and I am really sorry that I did not give you the legitimate rivalry that you deserved to have. Even when my cheating had already been exposed, I disrespected my friendship with all three of you even further by still trying to insist that I was legitimate, and I am so sorry that I did this, it was completely childish of me to do this. I know my words are nearly 7 years too late. I honestly kept trying to run away from this entire situation, and I wish that I had done this sooner. I completely understand those that feel animosity towards me because of how I lied and disrespected all of you, but I hope that this apology will at least put some closure to the situation. I'd like to say that I have matured and now understand how terrible my actions were, but I also completely understand those that will always have doubts about me because of how I took advantage of all of the trust many of you put in me back then. I hope that through actions such as using CTGP (which I have downloaded and will be using at all times), and through streaming (which I plan to do soon when my new capture card device arrives), I will be able to show that I have indeed changed and that this time I will legitimately attempt to improve my times and perhaps even achieve some records. If anyone has any further questions about this entire situation, then please feel free to ask here or send me a message through discord. My discord is Dotman#1032 |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Bryce729 on 02/08/19 at 20:46:50 I wasn't around when this happened but this feels really genuine. Best of luck to you with progression with this game in the future [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by WL95★Jaxon on 02/09/19 at 00:21:02 5C7178654E1D0 wrote:
This aged well |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by RosscoXz on 02/09/19 at 02:40:34 Hi Jorge, I remember when I found out that yourself, Jay Batten, Mander etc had all been cheating I was super angry, not only for the game itself, but for people who for months were trying to compete with cheaters, Nick in particular. This was, what? Eight years ago now? I think that is plenty of time to see sense and realise that what you did was in poor taste (some people get less time for murder ;D). I know that I did a lot of things that long ago that makes my skin crawl to think about today. I am really happy that you are back playing again, you obviously were/are a massive talent and, despite your tainted history, you were one of the best players to ever touch the game. That Rainbow Road time always springs to mind when I think of legendary WRs. I’m not sure what the likelihood is of the players’ page accepting you back, understandably, but obviously MKLeaderboards and (probably) MKWRS will accept your times if they are 100% legit. Hope you’ve been doing well :) |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Ezrek4you on 02/09/19 at 03:25:34 4C677C656966080 wrote:
King Alex you fucking called it [smiley=roll.gif] Also inb4 someone calls you a dick or something But seriously dude, great job opening up- I can't imagine how hard it was to write something like this. I know most people won't accept your apology but I do (considering I've done like 3 posts here and have lurked here for a year idk if that means much). I know we have banned former cheaters, but MKL hasn't, and now you're ww 10 on KC !! Congrats, as people have noted, use your raw talent to go for more ;D If you think 7 years is too late, well... it is, but the fact that you apologized in the first place is awesome dude. I'm looking forward to your streams :D Also I'd like to apologize for calling you an asshole the other day :/ |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Tms-95 on 02/09/19 at 04:12:11 Pendejo cabron :P Where have you been all this time? |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by ZedR on 02/09/19 at 04:16:55 Welcome back. Its great to see you back but we already talked about this in our TT discord and everyone welcomed you kindly! As for the PP. Dont mind any comments by these idiots who spread negativity and try to make you down. You apologized, had a talk with us and you play on ctgp - showing us your true skill and that cheating was unnecessary. Everybody does bad things and whoever still rejects the fact that someone grows mentally and can change is totally stupid. You will have to face these kind of people on the players page as you can see they still dont accept legit times on their leaderboards which is very sad. But I think we cant Change this. Therefore we have the more important charts on CTGP and more accurate charts on MKL. We also have our discord were you are already in compete with us. You are great and other should accept this aswell. If not their opinion doesnt matter anyways and they are ignorant individuals. those who were really hurt should not let their negative emotion take over here. Acceptance is a beautiful thing for someone who know he changed and wants to make things better so give them the chance. As for other former cheaters you should do the same. Jay also started playing again and could apologize about things. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Aruba on 02/09/19 at 06:26:23 Long time no see! Huge kudos for the apology. It takes a high level of maturity to do so and is very relieving to see as well. Thank you, brother. I will always support you in whatever you do. I don't forget the people that I came up with in this game. I still remember the 4* tag on your SGB WW tops back in the golden days. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] See you around on discord. [smiley=beer.gif] Much love! Aruba |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Zachruff on 02/09/19 at 08:04:53 Im glad that you apologised, and yeah imo CTGP + Streaming is more than enough to prove legitimacy. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Master Kek on 02/09/19 at 09:03:23 Glad to see that this is just a thing of the past. It'll be interesting to see how you compete with today's players. GL and Umi best girl |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by JawsTheShark on 02/09/19 at 09:17:31 An insincere apology and it's as if it never happened or he isn't a permanently listed cheating coward. You guys have no social awareness. An apology is deflection of attention bound with attempting to pull at the human emotion of: sympathy. Once you cheat, it's over forever!! It's easy to apologize when so many dense people are willing to overlook anything for it. Apologies don't change anything anyway. Means NOTHING. Here's the company phrase for anyone "returning" after being caught: "I cheated before. I do not right now. It's 100% obvious why anyone would think I'm lying right now. Take it as you do." [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by RosscoXz on 02/09/19 at 09:42:55 Why should a 100% legitimate time not be counted on the leaderboards just because of something the player has done in the past? Doesn’t make sense to me, but I know there’s no changing jaws’ mind so I don’t know why I’m even typing this out. [smiley=lolk.gif] |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by ZedR on 02/09/19 at 09:56:36 Jaws is one of the guys who should really be isolated from the world lol. Deslusional fucktard who does not come close to any former cheater. Your personality is way worse than cheating lol. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by MKchouy93 on 02/09/19 at 11:11:06 I'll just repeat what I said on discord but I think it's cool to have you back in the community again. I'm sure lots of the Allstars guys would find it fun to talk again (I have all of their discords if you want to talk to any of them) and I think most people don't have any hard feelings for ya especially have 8 years :P But I also think it would be really silly to count any of your new times even if they're set on CTGP. I'm completely confident any of your runs set on CTGP would be legit but that's not the point. The rules were very clear about perma bans and honestly this constant bending of the rules for players just looks bad on the game as a speedrunner. Cheaters benefiting off the luxuries of CTGP to be legitimized again is a blow in the face to Bean and the legitimate players who supported Bean in rebuilding the game and community after the "purge" by Cole. Not one of the people caught cheating stuck around to help the game at all; it just died. Not to say you shouldn't use CTGP; the more people on it the better. Just as far as counting TTs goes. The only reason I went in depth about this is because we've seen Jay Batten back on CTGP too so might as well get this out of the way now. I just wanted to say that. I hope you're doing well and maybe one of these days we can all play wifi and catch up. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Dotman on 02/09/19 at 12:18:52 44747F656331343F060 wrote:
Thank you Bryce! Really appreciate it. 1729290C2F32247975400 wrote:
This aged well[/quote] Wow alex called this post lol. My RR is definitely a time that im proud of even today. Maybe I will try to improve it at some point! I will continue to use CTGP at all times. 6558444454586F4D370 wrote:
Thanks for the kind words Rossco! Yeah that Rainbow Road WR will always be a special time for me. Retty pushed me very hard there and I was very happy to get the sub 2:28 before him at the time. I completely understand the PPs policy regarding cheaters and I don't expect to be added to the site. [/quote] King Alex you fucking called it [smiley=roll.gif] Also inb4 someone calls you a dick or something But seriously dude, great job opening up- I can't imagine how hard it was to write something like this. I know most people won't accept your apology but I do (considering I've done like 3 posts here and have lurked here for a year idk if that means much). I know we have banned former cheaters, but MKL hasn't, and now you're ww 10 on KC !! Congrats, as people have noted, use your raw talent to go for more ;D If you think 7 years is too late, well... it is, but the fact that you apologized in the first place is awesome dude. I'm looking forward to your streams :D Also I'd like to apologize for calling you an asshole the other day :/ [/quote] Thanks a lot man! I will keep trying to improve on KC! Also no worries about calling me an asshole, I completely understand lol. 504F4F74767A681B0 wrote:
Tomas! Bueno verte! Tanto tiempo que no hemos hablado. I played some Mario Kart 64 on and off for the past years, but now im back and hoping to get some good times here! 71565C4A596A59484C574A380 wrote:
Thank you Zedr, you and everyone in the discord TT server have been very kind and supportive to me and I want to thank you for reaching out to me about the TT discord. I think the PP's rules regarding cheaters is completely understandable and I dont think I should be added back. Im very thankful that CTGP exists and that I can submit my times in those leaderboards. 0231362122430 wrote:
Hey man! Great to see you dude! I have very fond memories of those 4* days with you. Thank you so much for your kind words <3 Hope to catch up some more in Discord! Much love to you too. 1A38292D3830370D36383D6F6E616F6E590 wrote:
Thanks Zachruff! Im glad that CTGP exists these days. 1D31232435221B151B500 wrote:
Hey my fellow Umi fan! I will try my best to compete, players are so strong and consistent these days lol. Thank you! 49627470576B66506B627168030 wrote:
You are right that apologies do not change all the bad things that I did to this community. And I completely understand your mentality with regards to cheating. 6B6D454E49535F171616260 wrote:
Hey Chouy! Like i said on discord, I would love to catch up with you and everyone from allstars. Those were really fun times playing with all of you on Wifi and I would love to play some wifi with everyone again! I think you bring up a very good point about how allowing cheaters back is a blow in the face to Bean and everyone that worked hard on CTGP. I know that some sites have decided to allow my CTGP times, but regardless I don't think the PP should bend their rules regarding cheaters. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by RosscoXz on 02/09/19 at 12:56:00 Respectfully, I disagree, Chouy. I think these cases specifically are nothing but a positive for Mr. Bean, Chadderz and everyone else who worked on CTGP. The purpose of CTGP is to eliminate cheating and unfair play and it is a testament to the hard work and dedication that some disgraced players can use his system to prove themselves. Jorge and Jay have committed to CTGP to prove that they have changed and it’s a compliment to the all the hard work put in to prevent cheating. Obviously perma-bans were set and the players in question I’m sure were aware of these at the time and that is an understandable argument but please remember that these bans came at a time of real distrust in the community. Now with CTGP, we can tell legitimate times from cheated times and back in 2011 this wasn’t even a fathomable idea. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Zachruff on 02/09/19 at 13:04:41 Honestly I think that hes served his punishment for 8 years which is longer than some prison sentences for actual crimes (wasnt David Harmes sent to jail for 8 years lol) but i guess my opinion dosent really matter cuz im a newer player :oof: |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by RosscoXz on 02/09/19 at 13:10:29 David Harmes is the only player that I wouldn’t allow back ;D |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Master Kek on 02/09/19 at 13:22:20 49746868787443611B0 wrote:
Yet he's still on the PP :-? |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by MKchouy93 on 02/09/19 at 13:32:31 7D5F4E4A5F57506A515F5A08090608093E0 wrote:
It's not about serving your punishment for past events. It's about preventing future events. If we go off this idea of "If it's set on CTGP then no matter what we count it because it is legit." then what is to prevent us other legitimate players from being enticed to cheating with always having our CTGP times be a fall back? I've used this example before and I'll use it again. With this ideology as a trusted player, what is stopping someone from going on riivolution with cheats to improve their WR to a crazy time? Most would probably believe them since disk drive issues are common and we have many other trusted players who are currently on the rankings without CTGP. Worst thing happens they get caught and just revert back to their current WR because it's still #1 on CTGP? Sounds like a nice deal tbh. People who have cheated in the past have the luxury of showing up on CTGPleaderboards without being manually deleted; that in itself is already a ton of leeway. They should not show up on any other leaderboard. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Zachruff on 02/09/19 at 13:37:31 4A4C646F68727E363737070 wrote:
It's not about serving your punishment for past events. It's about preventing future events. If we go off this idea of "If it's set on CTGP then no matter what we count it because it is legit." then what is to prevent us other legitimate players from being enticed to cheating with always having our CTGP times be a fall back? I've used this example before and I'll use it again. With this ideology as a trusted player, what is stopping someone from going on riivolution with cheats to improve their WR to a crazy time? Most would probably believe them since disk drive issues are common and we have many other trusted players who are currently on the rankings without CTGP. Worst thing happens they get caught and just revert back to their current WR because it's still #1 on CTGP? Sounds like a nice deal tbh. People who have cheated in the past have the luxury of showing up on CTGPleaderboards without being manually deleted; that in itself is already a ton of leeway. They should not show up on any other leaderboard. [/quote] Nah someone who played on CTGP suddenly going off of it would be setting off some alarm bells for me. And if you play the game at that high of a level im sure you should be willing to get another wii/wii u |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by JawsTheShark on 02/09/19 at 13:37:47 By the way (((MARIO))); you know I'm just talking shit, I can't ever know if your apology is sincere or not. The other part of my post is objective though. Your apology is accepted (in my mind); you were one of MANY-MANY cheaters in the game, I never did and never will take a game or its contents to heart enough to be "angry" or "swayed." |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Cole on 02/09/19 at 14:09:42 Hi Jorge, Thanks for the apology. Nice to see you playing again and I'm looking forward to seeing what you can accomplish playing legitimately. I was wondering if you could provide more details on how you cheated. Did it start with using slow-mo for chain wheelies then evolve into using it in other places as well? What was the first track you cheated on and what was the reason for it? Was the slow-mo code you used the one mdmwii posted in early 2010? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trhG-MiPHzI) |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by WL95★Jaxon on 02/09/19 at 14:09:45 456E787C5B676A5C676E7D640F0 wrote:
This almost seems like it was posted by a sane human. Who hacked Jaws's account?? [smiley=roll.gif] |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Dotman on 02/09/19 at 15:37:07 1935363F1D3336383F282E5A0 wrote:
Hey Cole! I do not remember the first track that I set a PR on with the cheats, but I do remember that the first track that I tested them on was rSL for the chain wheelies. At the time I felt frustrated that I could not hit the chain wheelies consistently at all in a track like rSL. What I should have done is sit down and actually try to learn the timing, but instead I resorted to using the slow-mode code. At the very beginning I used the slow-mode for chain wheelies in tracks with many chain wheelies, and then I additionally began to use them for precise techniques/SC/Glitches. These include things like the ramp trick on rSGB, the mander strat in KC, stair dives in DC, BCWii glitch with Bowser Bike, rBC3 SC, rGV2 glitch, etc. I did not take the time to learn these techniques/SCs/glitches like I should have and instead took the easy way out by using slow-mode. I'm sorry, and I'm glad that you exposed my cheating since it was completely unfair and disrespectful to those that actually took the time to learn and grind these things. I do not remember if this code made by mdmwii was the one that I used. I do remember that what I did to activate it was through a list of cheats and from there I would activate the slow-mode code. Considering that I used the Y button to activate the slow-mode like in the video, chances are that this code by mdmwii was the one I was using. Hope this answer your questions! I don't recall every single instance that I used slow-mode so I am definitely missing some from those that I listed. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Batman5112 on 02/09/19 at 21:14:54 You former cheaters are lucky CTGP exists. Without it majority of the community would not be welcoming you back to the leaderboards so carefree. I agree with Chouy btw. Without strongly enforced punishments, people have the freedom to cheat without fear of losing anything. They might as well keep trying! [smiley=bath.gif] That's why the perma ban rule is a positive; I'm glad the PP abides to it at least. Be grateful other platforms accept your kind so you can build up your "reputation". Just don't fuck up again or else people will contradict their ideology and start pleading for your banishment! PS: Can't wait for the day someone bypasses CTGP's anti-cheat mechanisms [smiley=ninja.gif] |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by RosscoXz on 02/10/19 at 02:33:45 But CTGP does exist so I don’t understand your point. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by ZedR on 02/10/19 at 04:44:30 615C4040505C6B49330 wrote:
Just give it up. Their perspective is fucked up already. They make it sound like its the worst thing you can ever do or that you cant ever forgive this. The World will go down if you dont keep rejecting former cheaters and give them a second chance. No no no instead of accepting changes you should keep hating and rejecting any form of humanity. Whatever mistake you do - you are fucked. No matter what. And if you were in puberty and did weird things just because you were naive you are still scum and that wont Change until you die in 50 years or something. And hey the dude apologized. Its nothing tho he is still scum and did a mistake 8 years ago. We are Robots we cant Change the rules about Lifeban. Its the perfect punishment for these dudes. No we only caused a divided community and more and more people despises the PP and its rules and our active players. We dont notice that this page is going downhill for the mkw scene. Most of us dont even play the game anymore nor dont we know that this page is only used for a few players who post records in the time Update thread. I am glad this forum is not Leading the community anymore. I am believing that all these newcomers, and also players from back then including me are happy about this. Rules were made outside of the PP and accurate leaderboards were created with accurate rules and no stupid morals in any kind of Form. The Records (especially these on CTGP) are legit and it doesnt matter what anyone did or who is behind this record's name. What he did, what he looks like, what he thinks, what he eventually said or whatever. The record is legit. No tools were used. Its vanilla tts and the records were fucking set. Every player makes mistake some are fatal and have nothing to do with cheating. Some player's personalities are so fucked up that they are way worse Than cheating. I would rather have a really kind Jorge on the rankings than someone who just insults everyone everyday, talking shit or whatever he does in his freetime. Beating up kids or something. But hey I can tell you, their times are allowed and of course they will be added because they did it legit. A top 10 or WR page should be accurate 100% it fucking doesnt matter who is behind this record. If vanilla TTs are legit, they will be added. End of the story. I totally agree to the lifetimeban in the competitive scene on this site. The PP has its own rules and they should enforce them strictly. But gladly the main community moved on to accurate tops and better platforms so we dont have to Deal with this shit anymore. Have a nice day. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by MKchouy93 on 02/10/19 at 08:32:00 Colin I've got no hate for Jorge as a person and tbh I haven't seen anyone else really say anything negative about him coming back. Even Jaws was saying he doesn't know Jorge well enough to hate him, he just doesn't think he belongs on the leaderboards. I feel the same way. It doesn't have to be this dramatic lol. I was just putting my opinion out there that personally I will not be acknowledging or recording any runs which I do not feel belong on the leaderboards. Everyone else can make their own personal decisions to acknowledge the runs or not and record or add to the sites (just like Brett's PG WILL be acknowledged as the WR, whether or not if it's removed on the site by a select few with no voting process from the community). That's what the game has become; arbitrary rules no one follows and arbitrary WR categories which are fake. No one ever votes on anything. We just make snap decisions and go with it. I guess this is the perfect excuse to just go back to custom music lmao. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Batman5112 on 02/10/19 at 10:18:33 506D7171616D5A78020 wrote:
100% accurate rankings isn't smart justification under normal circumstances. Certain people aren't gonna fully trust a cheater to always play legitimately. Trust stains a cheater. Trust cannot be ignored. People can't be mocked for having trust issues against someone. But luckily for everyone's sake, any potential trust issues are pretty much eliminated. Competition [+legitimacy] right now has never been more authentically fair and honest. So yes, cheaters you should be very fucking fortunate CTGP exists. You ask what's my point? Good job reading between the lines [smiley=bath.gif] Or do you disagree with what I just said? |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Batman5112 on 02/10/19 at 10:33:02 0522283E2D1E2D3C38233E4C0 wrote:
Gotta love how I made no remark regarding his apology. And yet, merely due to my perspective not fully embracing him with open arms or from having more inclination towards the permanent ban rule, I am automatically interpreted as a guy who must not give a fuck about any cheater and their strides. Jorge owned up and took responsibility for his past actions. Good for him. He deserves the applause he's getting. However, I cannot 100% accept the words from anybody whom I have no personal connection with. I refuse to be gullible. That's just me. I ask how can any of you definitively know he's speaking from the heart? Now before my words are twisted again, let me emphasis: I'm not saying he won't do any good. Learning from past mistakes is the way we improve as humans; ultimately, we learn more by failing first. 280F051300330011150E13610 wrote:
Oh dear. How cruel and heartless can the PP be? It's as though these cheaters are actually serving imprisonment. Jorge and the rest have lived a very comfortable life outside of the MKW community. What a horrible, unfair rule! No no, it is exactly what Chouy described. The objective of the perma ban rule has always been to prevent future cheating. I refuse to see cheaters as the victims; they shouldn't have cheated to begin with. Problem? 06212B3D2E1D2E3F3B203D4F0 wrote:
Best of luck to succeed what can’t be accomplished. You and/or majority of others would immediately turn against a cheater who decides to play on vanilla MKW without streaming every second of their gameplay. Could very well happen after they fabricate some cop outs (btw not limited to a cheater, could be anyone). But wait. Surely you insist on adding their results anyway? After all you view a cheater’s good deeds from their apology onward as an assurance they have turned over a new leaf. Legit records are legit. Go right ahead and add them! Except the community has already demonstrated they don't have what it takes. Suiryu's record is not added, and he's always been a legitimate player. It's possible (and lets be honest, quite likely) the run is perfectly legit. Why not add it on the leaderboards? Do you not trust a legitimate run without sufficient proof? Hmmm...but not trusting a cheater has been primarily why the community has had to ban them. The more things change the more they stay the same. 082F253320132031352E33410 wrote:
No way your little fantasy will last forever. Showing leniency for Jorge and others promotes risk-free cheating. CTGP (for now) is the end all be all. It maybe years or even decades from the present day, but inevitably the community will be dealing with this shit again. Blame every past and future cheater who has/will contribute(d) to creating the shit everyone else has to deal with. The opposing stances against yours; the permanent ban rule. They are never the cause. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Arvo57 on 02/10/19 at 11:35:14 Personally idm what the PP does, I would never expect you boys to change the rules. For MKLeaderboards, we know with ctgp that the time is legit. To make the tops more accurate, times that are done on CTGP will always count (unless pause buffering now), that's how things are done over there and that won't be changing. Personally I'm pretty thankful that the PP does things differently. If someone manages to break CTGP we will have tops to revert back to. CTGP existing is the only reason that we're allowing former cheaters back. We're all pretty fortunate the there it (for now) a 100% way to prove times as legitimate. Again, PP can do whatever the fuck they want, I and nobody else can really change that. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by WL95★Jaxon on 02/10/19 at 12:01:50 2F3C38217B794E0 wrote:
I second this |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by ZedR on 02/10/19 at 12:28:23 1B382D343837590 wrote:
Gotta love how I made no remark regarding his apology. And yet, merely due to my perspective not fully embracing him with open arms or from having more inclination towards the permanent ban rule, I am automatically interpreted as a guy who must not give a fuck about any cheater and their strides. Jorge owned up and took responsibility for his past actions. Good for him. He deserves the applause he's getting. However, I cannot 100% accept the words from anybody whom I have no personal connection with. I refuse to be gullible. That's just me. I ask how can any of you definitively know he's speaking from the heart? Now before my words are twisted again, let me emphasis: I'm not saying he won't do any good. Learning from past mistakes is the way we improve as humans; ultimately, we learn more by failing first. 280F051300330011150E13610 wrote:
Oh dear. How cruel and heartless can the PP be? It's as though these cheaters are actually serving imprisonment. Jorge and the rest have lived a very comfortable life outside of the MKW community. What a horrible, unfair rule! No no, it is exactly what Chouy described. The objective of the perma ban rule has always been to prevent future cheating. I refuse to see cheaters as the victims; they shouldn't have cheated to begin with. Problem? 06212B3D2E1D2E3F3B203D4F0 wrote:
Best of luck to succeed what can’t be accomplished. You and/or majority of others would immediately turn against a cheater who decides to play on vanilla MKW without streaming every second of their gameplay. Could very well happen after they fabricate some cop outs (btw not limited to a cheater, could be anyone). But wait. Surely you insist on adding their results anyway? After all you view a cheater’s good deeds from their apology onward as an assurance they have turned over a new leaf. Legit records are legit. Go right ahead and add them! Except the community has already demonstrated they don't have what it takes. Suiryu's record is not added, and he's always been a legitimate player. It's possible (and lets be honest, quite likely) the run is perfectly legit. Why not add it on the leaderboards? Do you not trust a legitimate run without sufficient proof? Hmmm...but not trusting a cheater has been primarily why the community has had to ban them. The more things change the more they stay the same. 082F253320132031352E33410 wrote:
No way your little fantasy will last forever. Showing leniency for Jorge and others promotes risk-free cheating. CTGP (for now) is the end all be all. It maybe years or even decades from the present day, but inevitably the community will be dealing with this shit again. Blame every past and future cheater who has/will contribute(d) to creating the shit everyone else has to deal with. The opposing stances against yours; the permanent ban rule. They are never the cause. [/quote] 1. Nobody says you should accept his words or something like that. Maybe he talking bullshit but I am concentrating on his legit times he set now. CTGP eliminated the banlist immediately giving everyone the oppurtunity to start at 0. Ye boy, he got his times deleted and perma ban on this site. I am also not referring to you my friend, I dont know why you think my words were related to "Batman5112"'s post. Generally, I am speaking to everyone who has the same view as you tho and was reffering to all the posts that were made in the past regarding cheaters on this site, in videos, streams or discord chats. 2. Within the community, it's definitely a fucked up rule. But that's only my opinion. Of course outside of the mkw community everyone lives their lifes lol and compared to other "real life" punishments its nothing. Also the perma-ban rule only exists here, on the pp. Blocking past-cheaters times to be added on the charts. But who said that this rule has been proven to be succesful? There are still cheater after this rule was implemented but with CTGP we don't have to deal with trust anymore. Set a time in ctgp and you are fine. If not, you should really prove that this time is legit. if you are a former cheater, your non ctgp times wont count aswell. Its easy as that. CTGP is (as of now) 100% proof and every WR thats not proven to be legit or real should be refused. Also you can just easily form this rule to block former cheater from the charts and its one of the rules who are strictly enforced. But in the end you who are strictly trying to enforce this insane rule, lose. Simply because most of the community despises the pp and its rule and created its own. And see, former cheaters are back (Not trying to cheat and improving the tops with legit times). Great 8-) 3. "best of luck". Dude what are we trying to do at the moment? Creating accurate tops. We cant reach 100% (except every single top 10 time is done on ctgp). We are trying to build a top 10 that can be close to be 100% and we set standards for new times being added. I dont insist to add their non-ctgp times (Facepalm). We are currently starting with implementing CTGP Only WRs (This rule already enforced on mkwrs by cole). 2/3 of the community insists on ignoring this site and concentrate on completely accurate/non moral top 10s and WRs. Why would you refuse times that are 100% legit? its stupid and shows me that (whoever refuses 100% legit WRs) is not smart (sorry whoever feels offended [smiley=beer.gif] ) I don't know if you are really that naive talking about suiryu's run. Maybe you are also one of this dudes who strictly defended mander back then (I strongly believe this just by looking at your response lol). But let me explain for the 34th time why his is not being added to mkwrs. Its not done on ctgp. CTGP not only shows us that a time is legit my friend. It also shows us that the record generally exists and is driven by the same player who calls himself suiryu. Maybe nagisa just took the WR with his Mii Name. Maybe he is using Slow-Mo code the whole time like mander did but was not caught yet? But hey we wont caught him since we dont even have a ghost to analyze his inputs. Maybe he is hiding and fooled us the whole time since making a fake run and just upload it on yt takes 10 minutes. And if you are thinking "bUT wHy aRE aLl hIS OlD tiMES on mKWrs tHEN? Simply because the community decided to add them and trust it. Now with CTGP, every non ctgp "WR" will be refused and suiryu was the first victim to this simple rule. MKW Top 10s, WRs or whatever should be accurate, no matter what. No matter who got that time dude. The WR is the WR. Thats a straight fact, you cant deny it. I dont fucking care if anybody cheated or whatever. CTGP times are legit and are going to be a must have (they are already). 4. I am actually referring to all the senseless discussions and it's shitty moral and neandertal-like thinking. You people should get the fuck over it. Legit times will be added, end of the story. Just what Arvo said, do your thing here on this idiotic site. I also just like the fact that you guys think that we are promoting risk free cheating. You are so fucked up. Every fucker can update a non existent time or even a cheated time on this site and claim it to be legit but well, we rely on proven, accurate times now and nobody can just claim a time without proving it to be real. Risk free cheating (still laughing). As if someone starts cheating just because Jorge Legit times are being added. That does not make fucking sense. The only thing it shows is that you need ctgp in order to upload times. And if you are on the banlist, do the same. Whenever you try to pass non-ctgp times as legit youre fucked. Use ctgp and everything is alright. Its not 2012 anymore where everyone can cheat. Get your facts straight, take MKW history lessons and look at how people play this game now. Addition: It is so funny to see you guys trying to speak badly of CTGP. Things like: "Sooner or later it will be possible to pass cheated times there" "Hopefully this shit will be broken". If that will ever happen, what do you think will happen next? CTGP is managed by people who actually are in charge of patches and stuff. If anything happend years back you had to create rules for the community to prevent fake times being added. But chadderz/bean or whoever can patch this and fix stuff like that. If people will be able to abuse codes in ctgp -> patch. The lifetime ban rule doesnt make sense here if you are sure the time itself is 100% legit. On this "competitive" website you can create your own rules for submitting times - no problem there. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Sorozone on 02/10/19 at 12:50:30 Yo dude. You're wild. The permanent ban is a rule here because the whole thing is based off of trust. You break the trust and it's hard to get back. That's just the bottom line. CTGP is a program my dude, that it allows it to check for foulplay. We didn't have that luxury here so we had to take the word. It wasn't dumb, it's all we had. So yeah the rule is a bit archaic. I'm open to letting players back seeing as CTGP can check for this kind of shenanigans now. Unless of course that gets compromised, but until then. It's a good safeguard. At the end of the day cheaters and I suppose liars are always going to try to submit fake records. Just is what it is. And welcome back Jorge. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by ZedR on 02/10/19 at 12:58:09 784459445144454E2B0 wrote:
+1 Thats why the com is divided sadly :) |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by AndyT on 02/10/19 at 13:58:44 The hell, I thought Batman was Sorozone the entire time. Who is Batman then? Anyways, I don’t have any stake in this since I’m no longer good enough for anything above a regional top, but it’s 2019, we need to get with the times. Cheating was so 2011, no one has the time or patience to try and bypass such a strong program like CTGP. No one in the future is going to cheat, and if they did cheat, we’d know. I don’t see why allowing players back would encourage other players to cheat, considering no one dares to cheat due to CTGP and they fully are aware that their times are not going to count anyways. No one is going to cheat because they know they’re going to get caught. Therefore, I don’t see how allowing Jorge back is suddenly going to give others an incentive to cheat. We should be following legitimate times with proof. That’s what CTGP is for. The community does not allow Suiryu’s time not because he isn’t a legitimate player, but because there is no legitimate proof of his time. If his time was on CTGP, then it would be allowed. Simple as that. Even if Suiryu was Walter or Mander, the same would apply. Legitimate times should be the end-all-be-all. You think that banning former cheaters is to be fair to other players, but do you really think other players get any satisfaction from pretending they’re the WR holder when they know fully well that do not have the fastest time in the world? For example, if we removed Brett’s perfectly legit time because he happened for some reason to be a former cheater, do you think Darragh would be proud of his so-called “WR”? No, because in his mind, he knows he is 2nd worldwide. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Bryce729 on 02/10/19 at 14:25:31 103133392A31580 wrote:
is this supposed to be a shot at the stupid pause buffer ban thing |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Batman5112 on 02/10/19 at 16:09:15 4556524B1113240 wrote:
Good point I never thought about. I'm not speaking badly against CTGP. I am only being realistic. I don't know how Zed can speak 20-30 years ahead so confidently. Patches? What if Bean and Chadderz don't have the finances to dedicate all their efforts to CTGP as they barely do now? That's only one out of many possibilities. I won't assume where we stand today will be our projected course over the next few decades. More power to CTGP if it stands tall as it does now. Zed, we’ll see who ends up having the correct belief. Let’s see if we don’t have a single case of someone attempting to deceive the community throughout the years. Keep in mind I wasn’t arguing every platform should follow the PP’s permanent ban policy. Like I have any authority to stop the impending acceptance of every cheater. 2/3's insist? So be it. Not as though I will lose sleep or wish ill will against Jorge and the rest. PS: The PP must continue to rely on the permanent ban rule whether you like it or not, as players are not required to play on CTGP. 7C5B514754675445415A47350 wrote:
Have fun being counterproductive. Ignore every non CTGP record whether legit or not. Let's be real. Suiryu was not added precisely because he did not play on CTGP. People like you are paranoid. You've become accustomed to the mentality every non CTGP record is guilty of being faked until proven innocent. You would have accused every fucking WR back in 2011-2012 as illegitimate if you were placed during that time [smiley=lolk.gif] A time where there was nothing concrete about how "real" runs were. Everything came down to trust. You can't trust shit without your baby CTGP, yet you can't fathom/accept others who have trouble trusting cheaters? The fact is Suiryu did absolutely nothing different this time around. The community was in the exact same situation now as they were nearly 4 years ago. Oh but now all the sudden there's these doubts surrounding him? Cheating was just as simple back in 2015. There's no difference, except for the record dating years past CTGP's establishment. In particular, his .893 is added as a legit record despite set over a year after CTGP began supporting TTs. Why are you having so much trouble accepting his current one now? My point is to disagree with your way of thinking, not to disagree with the decision to discount Suiryu. And Mander was already fucked with accusations after producing a WR with 95%+ chains. We all know decisions are case by case. Your logic here is to again automatically assume based on interpretation alone. Somehow you know my thoughts. Somehow you lived my life and are able to confirm I did do such things like actively support Mander [smiley=lolk.gif] 49686A607368010 wrote:
Good laugh[smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif] [smiley=roll.gif] I guess if Soro feels he has an impostor, I'm sorry(?) ;D |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Etch on 02/11/19 at 16:06:03 Who is the real batman? ;D Ultimately up to the people in charge, make sure you always stay one step ahead! |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Nosey on 02/13/19 at 10:53:59 Well, this thread was unexpected. It's really great to see you pop up and apologise after all these years. Yes, the best time to apologise would have been straight away, but the second best time is now, and I'm very glad that you made the decision to do so. It's very interesting to see the overwhelming feeling of the community leaning towards forgiveness and redemption nowadays. And to be honest, I think I feel the same way now. I've been lurking around here since around the time of the mass bans, and I remember at the time raising a point of wanting to forgive one player in particular on rSL (someone in top ten, can't remember who), who had supposedly only cheated that time and no others due to a similar frustration with luck wheelies. But, I was quite rightly convinced of the argument that Sorozone laid out, which is that we were a community based entirely on trust, and once that trust is gone, we simply don't have the tools/effort required to validate someone from there-on out. Now the community is beholden to the wonderful efforts by Mr. Bean, Chadderz and Cole, I'm very glad to see that we have the tools to welcome back those who have changed, and redemption. When it comes down to it, cheating in a video game ranks pretty low on the list of shitty things that a person could do, so I do agree that welcoming people back after a sincere apology is the right way to go. P.S. If Jay really is rejoining the community without making any attempt at all to apologise, could someone please do me a favour and tell him to fuck off on my behalf, thanks. P.P.S. With regards to PP, I do think that perhaps the site rules could be overturned now we have CTGP (I don't strongly think this, just can't think of a strong reason why not). I would say MKW is an exception though because of existence of CTGP, and for example the MK64 PP should definitely still keep to the trust rule (but members of the Hab Trio are on there so who the fuck knows) |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by KingAlex on 02/18/19 at 07:24:21 Looks like Jorge just got a 2:18.556 in Koopa Cape (5th WW) and has some 45 splits. He will beat Justin any day now :o Interested to see what will happen then ;D Welcome back btw. Glad to see you've matured with the rest of us :P The only gripe I really had with you is when you claimed to have found that KC ultra glitch (made me waste time grinding for hours trying to duplicate it) and of course, the SGB run. That run was what ultimately made me lose motivation and stop going for WR when I was so close at 2nd or 3rd WW >:( Either way I don't give a fuck these days, I look forward to your streams. I never really talk about the whole cheater debate but honestly I wouldn't mind if their CTGP runs got considered as legit as long as they would still be banned and excluded from the PP. FYI - I too thought batman was Sorozone. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by ZedR on 02/18/19 at 08:35:58 113C352803500 wrote:
He is in our server. He is a very kind person and we all like him. He als posts all his splits and is going to buy an elgato to stream. You should really join the server too. Everyone in the server is fine and we only talk about tts. Also dudes like Marc (A Marco) are in there and old veterans. You should really [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Master Kek on 02/18/19 at 08:41:52 0B2C263023102332362D30420 wrote:
May I please have the link? I've been waiting for a civilized TT only Discord |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Sorozone on 02/20/19 at 12:46:23 Prob cause I have the Bats as my picture, but no guys I don't change my online moniker. No idea who Batman is. [smiley=lolk.gif] |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by ALAKTORN on 02/23/19 at 02:30:50 Oh wow, I saw this topic before but didn’t read it until now. Didn’t know it was you. What you did was a massively shitty thing to do but it’s good you’re (unpromptedly?) apologizing now. I’m OK with counting legit times outside of the PP so I have nothing to complain about here I guess. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by WL95★Jaxon on 02/23/19 at 03:43:06 6B666B617E6578642A0 wrote:
That's a first [smiley=roll.gif] |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Archangel on 02/23/19 at 12:06:51 I’m gonna be honest, I’ve been here for years without an account and didn’t know the severity of lying but truthfully, I just want to see the new WR video. Honesty is important, and I’m glad you apologized to the community. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Blake on 02/23/19 at 21:50:35 1F223E3E2E2215374D0 wrote:
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Blake on 02/23/19 at 21:55:46 Welcome back, Jorge. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by JawsTheShark on 02/23/19 at 22:09:10 737E77717E77657B61120 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z81rUEhwmA Here's this cheating faggots' time. Probably cheated time, but I wouldn't know. Bet this prick was cheating when in All-Stars. Not that it made a difference. All Stars still got raped by Evul - infected with Skill - Revolution (Unless I was in All-Stars, I made the difference!). Edit: Tried to look up the results of our MKCL match v. All-Stars where Rv stomped them by 250 points and it's not there. Imagine being so embarrassed by a loss in MK Wii that you take down the results years-later [smiley=roll.gif] This kind of embarrassment has these faggots downloading hax. ;D ;D Edit: Just noticed this is JORGE's thread. Thought it was the WR thread. My fault HOLMES. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Dotman on 02/23/19 at 22:40:04 685449544154555E3B0 wrote:
Thank you for welcoming me back Sorozone! 0D090B051917081514600 wrote:
Hey Nosey! Thank you for your forgiveness! I am very thankful that so many people have been willing to forgive me after all the cheating and lying that I did. 4E636A775C0F0 wrote:
Hey Alex! Im really sorry for wasting your time with the KC ultra glitch lie, and also for demotivating you on SGB with my cheated run. It was very immature and disrespectful of me to waste your time like this and ruin your chances of getting a WR. 676A676D72697468260 wrote:
Hey Alaktorn! I agree that my times should not be allowed in the PP since it has a very clear cheater perma-ban rule. 735D505A54310 wrote:
Hey Blake! Thank you for your forgiveness. I completely deserve being called this, sorry for wasting your time by lying about the KC ultra glitch. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by JawsTheShark on 02/24/19 at 11:41:33 Mario, you strike me as one of those overly sensitive dudes always getting offended at shit (tell me if I'm wrong). So, you sneak around to try and "get back" at people who offend you. Just my observation, I don't really know. Tell me (TELL ME[/Shinnok]), did you ever cheat on WiFi? I swear I saw you hax on BC Wii back in the day on a random WiFi race. :) IMO, you'll look better to confess that. Not like the shit matters. These geniuses who know how many times I tapped the wheelie button during a run are certain they can detect a hacked time; so, it's not like your confession of THAT would change any mentality anyone has at this time...'cause TT's are different than WiFi and WiFi is "old." Cool Guy also hacked too in Evul v. infected with Skill (our last war where Cole had to come in GP3 to save the day 'cause Brandon was FLOPPING). Dude dodged in a Bullet Bill on lap 3 shock or something and then came out of it and was using items even though he left the bullet after the items. Cheaters are a pain in games because it's hard to punish them. Offline, it's far easier! |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by JawsTheShark on 02/27/19 at 20:06:08 Hey MARIO: REMEMBER THIS?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2g8uzbZxKA We used to be COMRADES. Don't worry holmes, you're one of MANY cheaters in MK Wii and you were a CHILD. I cheated in Counter-Strike when I was a child too. ;) |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by KingAlex on 02/28/19 at 06:04:41 Out of curiosity, did any other former cheaters that still active ever come forward and apologize like this? IE, Malleo, Jay, Rocky, etc. |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Etch on 02/28/19 at 14:00:06 0E232A371C4F0 wrote:
https://mkwrs.com/mkwii/cheaters.php I guess there's that, again only because they got caught I suppose...maybe some old topics here? |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Akmeaf on 07/08/20 at 16:30:15 Jorge we need u broo where ar eu bro |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Akmeaf on 07/08/20 at 16:30:50 go back bro to discord |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Arvo57 on 07/09/20 at 07:46:01 my balls bro |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Victor on 07/09/20 at 07:59:02 they hurt bro |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Victor on 07/09/20 at 08:01:38 can you say !c in t5 bro |
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Title: Re: My apology to the MKW community Post by Mango Man on 07/09/20 at 10:09:08 eat my ass bro |
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