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Message started by SilverMK on 12/02/18 at 08:52:14

Title: Change my mind
Post by SilverMK on 12/02/18 at 08:52:14

Our rules are stupid considering all the developements we have made.
I think we should seriously consider changing them, no matter what it'll do to the rankings

This will also completely change some strats considering that stuff like rDDJ will have to use regular route instead of their super super common routes that would be considered SC

Also if you vote what the fuck, the point of this poll is to change my mind, so give your arguments
I encourage those who agree with me to share their comments as well [smiley=zark.gif]

Title: Re: Change my mind
Post by Ridley on 12/02/18 at 09:31:02

I think this change could be something the community didn’t know they wanted.... having different categories would be huge, possibly bringing back old members of the community that left, and bringing in new folks as well ;D

Title: Re: Change my mind
Post by L e o on 12/02/18 at 10:59:43

This will create more problems than it should "solve"
People will be confused about wherever a sc should be counted as sc or not and this will make people run away more than welcome them and it's not like the game is recent or anything.
And the charts? The WR history? The ww top10s? What will they become? Think about it

Title: Re: Change my mind
Post by ApG77 on 12/02/18 at 11:21:29

We don't need that, we already have 32 tracks to TT

Title: Re: Change my mind
Post by Batman5112 on 12/02/18 at 13:26:47

lmfao, this community is turning into a joke ;D ;D ;D
you can never get away with such a drastic change this late into the game's span [smiley=roll.gif] ;D

092B302D2B2A2325292D2A23440 wrote:

stuff like rDDJ will have to use regular route instead of their super super common routes that would be considered SC

with this mentality you have no clue how to properly separate rankings into non sc/sc.

Title: Re: Change my mind
Post by Pumick on 12/02/18 at 13:40:18

I strongly disagree with adding new charts for various tracks when nothing was wrong with any of the tracks before. Shortcuts were either easy to perform or they added a level of skill for more daring players to use. This discussion has likely only came up because of new strats on rBC1, which I do not believe should result in changes for other tracks that have remained the same for years. There are a lot less active players nowadays and charts would be unfair.

Title: Re: Change my mind
Post by Batman5112 on 12/02/18 at 14:23:57

7B5E464248402B0 wrote:

This discussion has likely only came up because of new strats on rBC1, which I do not believe should result in changes for other tracks that have remained the same for years.

Here, have a medal! [smiley=beer.gif] Nothing stopped you from proposing this years ago[smiley=flush.gif]

1437223B3738560 wrote:

[quote author=092B302D2B2A2325292D2A23440 link=1543769534/0#0 date=1543769534]
stuff like rDDJ will have to use regular route instead of their super super common routes that would be considered SC

with this mentality you have no clue how to properly separate rankings into non sc/sc.[/quote]
Let me elaborate by running down the other MK games:
MK64: YV gap jump. Saves 5+ seconds per lap. KTB tunnel shortcut. Saves 5+ seconds per lap. Both allowed on non shortcut rankings
MKSC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swbrCVfJyr0 is non shortcut; many other tracks follow this principle.
MKDD: YC and DKM gap jumps both allowed
MKW: TF lake sc, DKSC single/double cut, MG gap jump, RR kart gap cut + 2 other gap cuts, DDR 3 shroom sc, WGM turn skip. All accepted on non shortcut rankings.
And this kid wants rDDJ to have separate rankings [smiley=roll.gif]

Title: Re: Change my mind
Post by Catfish on 12/02/18 at 15:09:10

i agree, but the only thing that this will affect currently is rBC1 (maaaaybe NBC, but i doubt it) everything else like rDDJ and rMG seems pretty much intended

Title: Re: Change my mind
Post by WillD on 12/02/18 at 17:55:54

577560727D677C140 wrote:

i agree, but the only thing that this will affect currently is rBC1 (maaaaybe NBC, but i doubt it) everything else like rDDJ and rMG seems pretty much intended

I agree with this. I'm not sure it's worth the whole reorganizational effort though. I'd also toss rMC2 in there as a possible candidate.

Title: Re: Change my mind
Post by BMence on 12/03/18 at 01:10:02

Well lazy to explain but basically I agree with Leo. So I would say: what the fuck were you high??? xD

Title: Re: Change my mind
Post by paradox. on 12/03/18 at 07:10:34

Scrolling through these 2 threads makes me really want to shoot myself in the face. Some of these arguments are so ridiculously STUPID and illogical, so I'll present the obvious reasons as to why this is a glitch or at least should not be categorized as a no glitch shortcut.

To start, I'll answer Matt's proposal have having different categories on tracks like rDDJ and rMG. This would mess with the rankings to an extent that no one would give a shit about them anymore. Ridley says that it might "bring back old members of the community" which it absolutely would not. Look at the last category to be introduced, SGB glitch, and look at how many times there are. Very relevant category that literally no one gives a single fuck about because the player base has only declined and there's no competitive drive like there was several years ago. On top of that there would be no players to be ranked on the overall rankings anymore until people send in new times for rMG, rDDJ and whatever other track gets changed, and it would render all previous times pointless as they're now categorized in 'glitch' or whatever. There would also be no threshold for what could be considered still doing the same shortcut. For example, I could keep my glider on rMG, but simply cut of less than you normally would (for example, just the grass area). What would determine whether or not I cut off the gap or not?

My main point is this: People have presented the argument of both the glitch and shortcut not counting in online races due to being patched, evidence to support the fact that it was not intentional by the developers. Now as for the non re-spawn shortcut, we obviously can't 100% know what the developers were intending in the game, but judging on the fact that the shortcut will ONLY count if you do the strat correctly should support the idea that the developers would not have wanted this shortcut to be abused. Can you name one strat we have classed as no glitch which requires you to be precise or otherwise risk the lap not counting? You can't. Because there are none. Simple as that. Having a strat classed as no glitch when it can easily be failed by not passing the checkpoints correctly would be the most stupid decision to ever be made in this community and people wouldn't even want to play the track.

The turncut is an interesting scenario in which it is definitely not black and white as to whether its a glitch. Apparently the game is actually confused and loses track of where you are, therefore tricking the game. Anyone who has failed the turncut knows that it re-spawns you back before the turn if you fail it. But the shortcut will count the lap due to you driving through the final checkpoint and having passed the previous key checkpoint which is not located on the S bend. But, considering my earlier point about how changing charts this late in the games lifespan would do pretty much nothing positive for the community, I think it is best to leave it as it is.