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https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Mario Kart >> Mario Kart Wii >> Why I never trusted Justin https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1459080657 Message started by Estaloy on 03/27/16 at 04:10:55 |
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Title: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Estaloy on 03/27/16 at 04:10:55 Pls, read the thread entirely or just leave right now. Also, really sorry for my bad english, I still think it's understandble. Thanks A long time ago, I have sayed that Justin progression on Mario Circuit (when he got his 57") was pretty fast. People saying to me "well, we cant now if it's easy to get a MC run or no with Inspire strat since it's new" And when I sayed that Justin have the same progression (a very very fast progression) as Nim, people saying to me "well, compared to Nim, Justin show a progression and he trying to prove himself" well really? is this really true? ok, let's look every time he publish on his youtube channel. (in order of video published from the oldest to newest. Rankings are where the run is made.) 2'04"435 MT (9thReg) well, for a first video, a regional top, without a known progression, pretty weird, the time is still not so impressive through 31"991 MG Flap (8thWW) first flap video, a WW top, on a no glitch track, pretty weird, not known progression once agin 28"399 rDH Flap (9thWW) same as MG, eccept it's glitch track, but basicly basing on the driving 1'51"645 DDR, well, anything special here, no regs, still weird that he upload this time cause almost every of his video are regs/ww/flap WW 59"636 MC (7thWW), totally came out of no where, any known progression, first ever video from MC, 1'00 sub. If we compare to other Inspire strat user, David, Bede, Inspire, it took a way longer to get the 1'00 sub and they show a real progression comparing to him 57"847 (5thWW) 2 days after his 59"636, he got a 57", a bit after Inspire get it to, really weird, 2 days for gring to 57"? any Inspire strat user get it in an very short enough of time like him. 53"468 rGV2 a regional top "fail" as he says, he say he did it before his 59"636 MC run, unknown progression again, doing the glitch on lap 2, WTF, nobody made it only eccept after a bad lap but as I see, his lap didn't look so bad sooo... weird. 26"761 Lap 1 MC first real fail show, dont know if it's a good lap or no cause he was the only to use this strat. 53"601 rGV2(no glitch) only video known from rGV2 was that 53"468 glitch, so not a really known progression. 36"134 GV flap (4thWW) came totally of no where, any video from GV before, directly 4thWW. "43"079" WGM he say this time, he didn't even show it whatever, used a double pipe bounce on lap 1, really weird but whatever. (pls remember this time, will retalk about this later) 29"909 MT Flap (9thWW) 2nd MT video, a good time. Nothing else 2'03"254 MT (5thRegs) 1 second improvement, pretty huge but clearly possible, nothing else again. 33"973 MG no glitch lap 1 I personally dont know if it's really good but I think it is. 2nd video from MG no glitch. 26"510 MC lap 1 ooooh, the "proof" video, is it really a proof? cause, playing local live is pretty nothing to prove you, not even race a ghost (not even staff ghost), did not show his controller. We cant clearly say if it's a real live playing, every can do "same" input as ghost during lvie replay for it listen like you are playing so, for me, it prove absolutly nothing. 36"062 (5thReg) first CM video, a 36" ok, totally came out of no where. 39"007 rDKM Flap (5thWW) first video from rDKM, 5th WW flap, came out of no where again. 15"016 rGV2 Flap (AR) first flap he upload, it's AR, came out of now where again (even if did the glitch 1 time before) rPB 1'12"305/16"303 first rPB run, totally normal, nothing to say here, maybe the only track where his progression is totally normal. 25"461 MT Flap (7thWW) 0"6 improvement in a 25" flap in 1 run, pretty huge. 9"605 WGM Flap (7thWW) first Flap, really good time, came a bit out of now where cause we only see 1 WGM run before. 11"090 Lap 1 WGM as Good as MrBean WR actually, remember that for now, his "PR" which is known is his 43" 33"170 WGM (AR) absolutly came out of no where, and as I say before to remeber his 43" when we look his top 5, we see any 43", the lowest time eccept his 33" is a 39", no progression so. 9"457 WGM Flap (AR) ok, directly AR after his 9"6 in 1 run. Pretty fast. 9"365 WGM Flap (WR) 1 day later, WR, really fast again. 10"815 WGM BKS lap 1 well, compared to what he did on WGm not really special. 1'10"620 rPB (9thReg) & 16"035 Flap (8thWW) normal, not really special. 1'09"312 rPB (9thReg) normal, not really special. 15"915 rPB Flap on the third flap, a low 15"9 not incredible but still fast. 37"531 MG (7thReg) first MG glitch video, came out of no where again. 46"814 KC lap 1 nothing special I think. 2'12"643 rDJKP (old glitch, 8thRed) an "easy american spot" as I say, came out of now where, first rDKJP video 33"801 CM (7thWW) from his 36"0 to this, ok, hum... it's really fast. Without known progression. 4"251 CM Flap (WR) he sayed that he have a 4"283, nothing to prove it, note this is first try and it's only behind my tas (a bit oold through I know) by 0"004 33"517 (AR fail) using shroomless entry, whatever. 9"730 (8thWW Tie) MC Flap first MC flap, WW top, without shroomless glitch, so came out of now where 1'25"315 (10thWW shroomless) MC Came out of now where, not known progression any known MC no glitch time before 1'24"785 (AR Shroomless) MC ok, directly move to AR in 1 run this is dangly fast. WGM WR fail nothing to say, ti's a fail, rarely he upload fail but well, he did here. 1'51"789 WGM no glitch (6thReg) came out of now where, any known WGM no glitch time before, directly 6th american. 56"225 MC (4thWW) only using Inspire strat, a 1"6 improvement after a long break....(using any new strat) He do it after 5 hours he tell to David he will comeback on MC. Really fast then... End of every video, to today. So, as we did to Nim, I will ask to upload your time on Ghost data base (ninrankings.org), and do Totom or Fox protocol. As far as we known, even if disagree with me, refusing to prove yourself is equal to pending list (like we did to Nim), just to let you know Justin. PS: I think, if Justin haven't get suspicious before for real (cause I made it cause Sam and David started to get suspicious to), it's simply because I think around the half of glitcher is from USA, like Justin, so as we say to Nim, "He haven't been banned cause it's an american". |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by ZedR on 03/27/16 at 05:38:44 First of all , everyone who say: "A suspicious discussion again, it's enough for now, just let him play...". To be suspicous is NORMAL in MKW , we have to go through every thread/protocol/discussion or whatever. Or do you want cheater in this game? Secondly, please ANSWER when you see it as an active MKW Player because we are ONE community and every opinion counts. To come to the topic. The progress on some tracks , that you have mentioned Estaloy, are normal. From my expierence, hitting good times on glitch tracks (I choose WGM as example) is based on how long you try and if you never got a 2/3 before. My PR jump from 1:02 -> 41 seconds on WGM was lot of work but got it surprisingly. Itrained the "no align" strat after several fails just in case - if I made a 2/3 run, it will not be a slow time at all. This progress will show-up in the 3/3 run, too. Using the fastet strats to have a good time if you finish a 3/3 run. The problems that several MKW players have with Justin, are the "Opener" on his tracks and his fast switch to other tracks no matter if he has potential or not - Opener When you set a good time, you start to post it on the pp or YT. Some people (choose WGM again) post a high 10.XXX seconds flap on WGM. This flap is one of the short flaps where improving step by step is just a logical thing. I have uploaded 5/6 flaps until i got 10th WW there. And to push it lower, I will improve these times in little step. Justin's Opener was (how you already said) 8th WW and then a cut of 0.3 (massive on WGM) to achieve the WR and beat the strong former WR holder. Thats not reason enough to blame him but to be suspicious is ok. But have an eye on this - Switching tracks in a short time but still make massive improvement. It would not be a bad thing if he switches a track after getting the goal he wanted but the gap between his former PR and PR are a Bit (not obvious) too massive in a short period of time. Some tracks need days of practising and fail runs. To end this post. I would rather let him make a protocol if a few better and higher PP-Player share the same opinion. Justin, I like you, you have potential on some tracks. Make the protocol , it would be a shame this potential gets lost. [smiley=dankk2.gif] |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Estaloy on 03/27/16 at 06:34:13 0F28223427142736322934460 wrote:
I pretty agree with you, I know, some of his progression are totally normal, his rPB or MT have nothing special. His MC is a bit fast but can be totally possible. WGM is a bit fast through and we never known a potential before his WGM lap 1 (11"0xx). And also, it clearly easier to jump from a 1'02 to a 41"x, but you have show a realy potential with uploading many flaps. Compared to Justin, upload a lap 1, then do flap (only 1 is uploaded) then directly 3lap AR, then come back to flap with AR and then the next Flap WR. Pretty fast, in short enough of time and not known progression. 0F28223427142736322934460 wrote:
Exactly what I was pointed actually, even if his progression can be consedering normal even if it faster than most of play, can be possible. The fact is, where did he from? cause, the half of his WW/Regs/Flap WW runs have unknow previous time, for a simple exemple, CM, he sayed he got a 4"281 before, with no proof(pic/video) and just uploading his WR. Cant know if he is tasing his time cause he never show his full progression (if he has one!) Happy to, for now, 1 people totally get me, hope other people will. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Monosc on 03/27/16 at 06:46:50 I do think it would be better if he tried to prove something, because he really had a crazy improvement rate lately. You can never know ::) |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Winbag4 on 03/27/16 at 14:20:07 I heard someone mention that he had tried to prove himself earlier, I'm not sure what became of that. Still, some of his recent times have been making me really uneasy, because he does jump around tracks a lot, and doesn't really show progress on most of them. I also looked on the database for some of his times and was unable to find any. I think if a more concerted effort was made to prove himself, and he uploads his ghosts to ninrankings, it will help out his case a lot. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by =★inspire♪ on 03/27/16 at 16:03:07 I remember talking to Justin about the ghost database once but if I remember right, he said he didn't want to hack his Wii U. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Winbag4 on 03/27/16 at 20:30:57 That's understandable. At least he uploads and does a good bit of talking within the community. I'd enjoy watching him stream, it certainly looks like he's capable of doing it. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Estaloy on 03/28/16 at 06:53:18 61667B78617A6D080 wrote:
That remind me someone..mmmmmmmmmmmh...oh yeah right, it's Nim,oooh, but you(the community) ban Nim right? well, if he did same as Nim, there is no reason to didn't put Justin in the pending palyer list |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Randy166™ on 03/28/16 at 07:22:36 Quote:
He probably got his 43" on another license. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Winbag4 on 03/28/16 at 16:32:59 695F584D40435515141B2C0 wrote:
a) Nim does not upload or offer to prove himself. In fact, he flat out refuses to do so. b) Despite all the arguments given, as well as the majority of the community expressing their views that Nim should be removed, Cole hasn't done anything about him. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Estaloy on 03/28/16 at 16:53:10 223C3B37343261550 wrote:
a) Nim does not upload or offer to prove himself. In fact, he flat out refuses to do so. b) Despite all the arguments given, as well as the majority of the community expressing their views that Nim should be removed, Cole hasn't done anything about him. [/quote] Well, if he refuse to prove himself, he will put in the pending list(like the rule say and like we did for Nim and other player). But for now, Justin just upload his former CM Flap AR (so I think he read the thread), will still wait for see what he will do. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by JACOB@MK7 on 03/28/16 at 21:43:16 6D7374787B7D2E1A0 wrote:
I don't think Cole's the one doing the updates now. Whoever is updating the history site should do their job and remove him. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by kuigl on 03/29/16 at 03:21:35 Who the fuck is Justin? |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by =★inspire♪ on 03/29/16 at 08:04:33 726C707E75190 wrote:
Justin is a newer player to the community that joined somewhere in the Fall of last year. He shows a lot of potential on many courses (both glitch and no glitch) and get good times on them pretty fast. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Justin, on 03/29/16 at 18:11:32 Not a lot to say here. All I can say is *cough cough* glitch tops *cough cough* improvement rates *cough* Seriously though, I learned a lot from the community, I never knew that softdrifting was a thing, I can make shortcuts/glitches I could never make before, etc. But most of the tracks you said "came out of nowhere" is that they are just WAY too easy to get tops. The time I got my 57 on MC, no. 10 was a 1:00.5, which a lot of people who plays MC these days can get it easily with only stop glitches, and the Inspire strat is easy in general. GV ng flap is super underplayed because of the rock hop shortcut's removal. I took pretty good lines, but that doesn't mean anything. CM and WGM flap are just quick-easy flaps that pretty much anyone who has some experience can get WW tops at. And about WGM. First of all, I had an old 10th American 38.2 3/3 on WGM the day after I got my 43, on a different license like Randy said, sorry for not saying this before. I didn't upload it because it was awful and it had a missed standstill (Yes, I am using this as an excuse) Second, the reason why I got my 33.170 is because of one factor, luck, lots of luck. Heck, I didn't even get a 2/3 before when I start my session, and the 39 was actually a 3/3 when I was bored. All I wanted to do is to see if I can hit AR potential laps. The truth is, my crazy improvement rate lately is because I had a time before that I couldn't record because it was already improved, or because I didn't feel like uploading a regular PR. After a month or two, after my 36.0 on CM, I had a 34.954, then a 34.575, then a 33.801, then a 33.517. By this logic, you should have said that Bede had fast progression on CM. Look at my top 5 on my CM flap WR if you don't believe me, and my WGM ng time reg before had a 1:52.021, then a 1:51.979, then a 1:51.8. I even posted it on the thread. I am not one of those people who likes posting improvements on YouTube on and off, even if it's not regs. It really takes a big chunk of my time. I can prove myself if I have time, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to be a Nim and refuse. 487E796C61627434353A0D0 wrote:
That remind me someone..mmmmmmmmmmmh...oh yeah right, it's Nim,oooh, but you(the community) ban Nim right? well, if he did same as Nim, there is no reason to didn't put Justin in the pending palyer list[/quote] That doesn't mean anything? It's true, I didn't want to hack my Wii U, but if I don't want to hack, I won't hack. I am nothing like Nim. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Silver on 03/29/16 at 20:09:50 lol |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Luke B on 03/30/16 at 06:59:51 frankly i really dont care about this sort of stuff anymore but if you want to convince anyone except maybe your mother we require this thing called proof not "i wont hack im not like nim" |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by BananaMK on 04/12/16 at 15:41:31 I believe he is legit, but I do agree that he has some tracks where he has had very fast improvements. Also, David was the main person to start talking about this. David never started saying that he used tas until he beat his run. If you take my best Inspire strat laps, they equal a 56. He could have easily gotten my best laps considering how much better his lines are compared to mine. Also, he recorded with a camera. If he used tas, he would most likely use a screen recorder. This doesn't prove anything, but it's nice to know. Also, an Australian player named Epic (Who has 2nd regional on MC with a 1:00) has laps that give him a 56.1. I'm assuming that he used Inspire strat for his best laps. So for MC, I don't think he had fast improvement at all. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by =★inspire♪ on 04/12/16 at 16:15:45 5A79767976795553180 wrote:
Cheaters could also record their computer screen with an external recording device to make it seem more legit too. :P |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Mkwiifreak on 04/12/16 at 19:44:25 Justin said he'll prove himself when he can and explained his perspective very well, give him a break already for god's sake. I truly believe he is legit and I think he'll be happy and willing to prove himself when he is able to. That being said he has still done a lot more than several other people in the community have in terms of uploading times. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Skitty on 04/24/16 at 08:38:07 Justin just came from nowhere and made rSL on lap 2 with a 17.6 flap ( https://youtu.be/8RrAUTeq0P0 ) He really needs to show more progress... For all we know that was his first ever high clip :-/ As someone who has had numerous Sherbet Land fails and NLCs (I have 23 fails recorded in a playlist on my YT channel), I'm starting to get more suspicious. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by BlazeMKW on 04/24/16 at 21:56:29 744C4E53535E270 wrote:
According to a YouTube comment, Justin has made 2 high clips beforehand (one too far left, one too far right). It's also not fair to assume that everyone is on an equal playing field when attempting new tracks. Justin has evidently played the game for a long time now, and has had lots of experience on many different tracks, so because of this knowledge it's safe to imply that it wouldn't be too hard for him to simply align in the right spot, and get lucky with a high clip (either way, a mid 17 lap on rSL is by no means extraordinary). rSL is also highly alignment-based, and from what I've found getting too-far-left clips with a bad alignment is much easier than getting a one that leads to a lap count (back when I started playing the track I got over 10 high clips of that kind in only a few hours of attempting), so perhaps early on when you got all those NLCs you weren't aligning properly? Either way, the rSL glitch is HIGHLY luck based all-in-all. Of course, coming from someone who has played the track at a high level, I can say for sure that I put effort into the track to get where I am now, but that doesn't negate the reasoning that most glitches that involve you doing a glitch once in a run will end up being pretty unpredictable. Yes, this means that some people can get incredibly unexpected high clips, with a very prominent example being Guy getting his first ever clip to count (did I mention that he did all of this within the first hour of me discovering the glitch?). |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by BlazeMKW on 04/28/16 at 16:10:36 Before people lose interest in this topic, I think it might be important to address the elephant in the room - has Justin even shown any signs of being a TASer? The reason why we're so suspicious of new players in the first place is the fact that certain people (e.g. Jay and Nooboss) were able to get CAUGHT TASing, as in, not being suspected, but straight up proven to be a TASer due to input-based evidence. Justin has had none such evidence brought up against him, and if you ask me, he has shown no reason to make people suspicious. 1:09.5 on LC? 56 on MC? Those are by no means bad runs, but are they really so impressive to the point where we shouldn't expect someone at his level to be hitting those times? If the person bringing forward this argument can trust Nim, but not Justin, then maybe it's safe to assume that they're definitely coming at this the wrong way, I hate to say. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Sosis23 on 04/28/16 at 17:58:11 I'm sure Justin is legit. Like blaze said, the only reason why people are accusing him is just because of past events. Honestly, this reminds me of Fox since they both have had fast improvements and jump around courses, and Fox doesn't TAS. I just hope Justin streams more often, especially the protocol streams just to show the people that are unsure of himself. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Skitty on 04/28/16 at 18:03:34 After seeing that video with his hands, I'm sure he's legit. I don't have suspicions anymore. :P |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by ZedR on 04/29/16 at 05:19:29 I am not. I am not fully against him but I am still suspicious. Why? You can compare the history from other players with Justin's. Other players wanted to be accepted in every way, they worked for it and still do. They stream every TT , are in chats to discuss things, uploading splits, and every bad PR. They were active and known a long time because of Youtube and Worldwides. Justin is nothing , he just uploads some good TT, posting them and that's the end of the story. I don't want to blame him for every run. But when I see a good time that he has made - i ask myself: How man, from where?! ARs or Regionals are not things you get easily. His LC is quite good, especially because of the Timey cut. I have never seen it legit before and how he made it looks quite professional. Seems he could make it 3/3. What do I want is a concrete Save File with every Improvement like other players have. I think Justin should upload it. We Will definetly see it by Beans Update. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by Sosis23 on 04/30/16 at 10:12:46 Also although I believe Justin is legit, a showing hands video can be easily faked so that's not 100% proof. He needs to do a protocol stream and upload his runs to the database. Hopefully that'll take care of the issue. |
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Title: Re: Why I never trusted Justin Post by .Hahaae on 05/01/16 at 05:10:21 and so my legacy carries on lma0 |
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