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Message started by Zept on 10/04/15 at 16:46:59

Title: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Zept on 10/04/15 at 16:46:59

I know that there's already a thread for Kasper and Diogo tying their AF, but now that Kasper has beaten Diogo's BC time, he is now officially the champion for Normal + DLC combined AF.

http://i.imgur.com/QJIijQe.png

Congrats Kasper, and good luck on securing this lead even further.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Jazzy on 10/04/15 at 19:19:45

I've said this once, I'll say it again: Congrats, Kasper!! You've worked real hard for this I'm sure, so you deserve it. I'm nowhere near you in terms of skill - I'm not jealous, rather, appreciative of the many, many hours you've dedicated to this game. I'm not one to pick favorites, all I want are players with a good attitude towards the game, rather than someone who brags about themselves, argues with, or puts down others. I really hope that there continues to be good competition in this game at all skill levels, so for that I'm happy that you (Kasper) have taken over the inactivity at the top that Diogo has left. The only thing that would be better, to me, is two - or more - players actively competing (nicely) for the top spot.

[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by ★λητθ★™ on 10/05/15 at 08:45:52

4A6673734A4C070 wrote:

Sam opened a topic yesterday about that but I say again congrats as Jazzy.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Harmonia on 10/10/15 at 23:04:55

Both former champions (JaK and Diogo) were beaten because of their inactivity/they quit the game

I wanna see someone beat Kasper without him going inactive, just doesn't seem like a big achievement to be the champion when you really don't have competition. Regardless, congrats.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Timothy on 10/10/15 at 23:14:36

Not a big achievement? Then why is no one else close to Diogo?

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by JACOB@MK7 on 10/11/15 at 01:18:32

00293A2527262129480 wrote:

Both former champions (JaK and Diogo) were beaten because of their inactivity/they quit the game

It was Jak and Diogo's choice to stop playing, and thus they're the ones that chose not to defend their championship. Kasper simply capitalized the opportunity to fulfill his dream, so I don't see how that can devalue his achievement.

That's just what being site champion is about: fulfilling a dream. Not striving for satisfying others' competition gratification. Of course defeating an active champion is more impressive, but the achievement is the same no matter the circumstance.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by ★λητθ★™ on 10/11/15 at 01:56:51

Yes I find it unfortunate that many leave the game.
But good after it's their choice can not force them to come back on mk8 .

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Harmonia on 10/11/15 at 02:03:02

I guess I worded my first post slightly wrong. Of course it's an achievement to be #1 but it's my personal opinion that achieving and keeping the #1 spot would be more satisfying if someone was there to compete with me, and for the entire game's lifespan there have not really been rivalries for the top spot. I just hope someone gets good enough to compete with Kasper and stays active otherwise it seems to me like being #1 would be a little bit boring. That's just my mentality if I were to be #1, I can't say anyone else is wrong for having a different mindset towards it. Some people feel just as good by being uncontested and dominant, maybe that's what Kasper wants and that's good for him.

I'm pretty sure K4I got close to Diogo at one point before/right after DLC2 btw

sorry if I just sound stupid

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by JACOB@MK7 on 10/11/15 at 02:27:25

466F7C636160676F0E0 wrote:

otherwise it seems to me like being #1 would be a little bit boring.

What would you do then to prevent that?

I get where you're coming from, but most of the time someone comes along after the current champion moves on and doesn't continue unleashing their potential. That's just how it is, especially when a game is still quite new like this one.

Tbh, I did not expect Diogo to be dethroned this quickly, but again it has to be because MK8 is only a year old. Diogo's been inactive on MK7 for over a year and still no one is close to beating him. But on the day that it finally happens, that person will be the happiest he's ever been, and I'm pretty sure that's how you'd feel too if you were that guy.

Here's another side that I feel about being site champion: It signifies that all of your efforts resulted in better results than all of the other players' results after all of their efforts, including the former champion, active or not active.

Anyways, yes. I definitely would love to see a battle with Kasper still being active (like a Diogo return), but if it doesn't happen, then I won't lose sleep.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by ★λητθ★™ on 10/11/15 at 02:32:32

624B58474544434B2A0 wrote:

Yes you are right it takes strong opponents to continue a play.
I for my part I went back to MK7 because there is a guy who challenged me to Avior the best timesheet before the end of 2015.
Currently I beat him 4-5 seconds but it is improving every day. This type is not on the Player Page but I think it will in the next 2-3 weeks.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Harmonia on 10/11/15 at 04:22:23

080C4C595B543C0 wrote:

Here's another side that I feel about being site champion: It signifies that all of your efforts resulted in better results than all of the other players' results after all of their efforts, including the former champion, active or not active.

that's a really good way to put it, actually

as for what I would do, what can I do? if I were #1 and no one was active or good enough to compete with me I honestly would stop playing for a while unless I have unreached goals like subbing on a track or getting a certain WR

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Raγ on 10/11/15 at 07:23:25

I kinda know where Harm is coming from, he feels that Kasper is undeserving and not yet worthy of the title of PP/World Champion simply because of how much potential there has yet to be revealed on most of the tracks now that the d-pad metagame is starting to develop. With only a small amount of people having mastered or half-mastered the d-pad, there really isn't a lot of currently active players capable of pushing you beyond your limits as of now.

Talking on the subject of inactive players, I could say the same thing about myself since I no longer play as well. Not to sound arrogant or anything, but I firmly believe without a doubt that if I were to go back and learn d-pad + play CC and DKJ again (were my 2 favorite tracks in MK8) then I would eventually reclaim both of my WRs after re-adapting to the game and continuing to hone my skills from where I left off. But considering how I already proved my skill and contributions on those 2 tracks in the past, why should I have to show my skill again? I've already gotten my 1st WRs there, got them back after losing them, got them back again after the strat changed and held them for most of 2014 and 2015, so I didn't feel like I was proving anything anymore. Any decently skilled player can keep up as long as they remain committed to the tracks they play, but in a game that I didn't actually LOVE, I have better things to do than trying to stay on top forever. For some people, life goes on and they discover new passions to pursue. I'm one of those people, and Diogo and JaK most likely are too.

Do the players that take over after you're gone really deserve their #1 spots? Depending on the situation... maybe yes, maybe not. In this case though, I'm leaning more towards Harm's opinion. However, I do know how happy it is for someone who's worked so hard to achieve their goal of being #1 regardless of competition, so I guess I'll respect that.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Timothy on 10/11/15 at 08:38:20

That sounds like some serious inner turmoil Ray. However, no one gives a shit about your "ifs".

The person who is #1 at any time is there for a reason; they have the best overall results at the current point in time. That means they have outperformed/are outperforming #2.

Speculation is retarded because it's never-ending. You can devalue almost anyone's accomplishments if you extend to ridiculous notions like, "that guy who only played the game for two weeks but held half of the WRs would deffo be #1 now three years later if he'd always played". It's ridiculous. Give credit where credit is due.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by JACOB@MK7 on 10/11/15 at 13:24:38

2B2122213F21580 wrote:

And that is the only reason to consider. There's a lot of factors that can play into a switch between #2 and #1, but at the end of the day, Kasper's overall performance is currently better than everyone else's. Nothing is going to change that. So I'm not buying the "maybe, maybe not deserving." Potential-wise, of course Diogo would definitely be the better player... right now. As time goes on and Kasper keeps playing, he is only going to further show why he's #1.

I clearly remember when Mick was finally overtaken by Alexony around August 2012 on MK7, after Mick stopped playing seriously around April. How can you possibly say that Alexony was not as deserving of being site champion, especially when you now know that Alexony evolved into a legend in that game and is clearly better than Mick?

Kasper is rightfully deserving of being called the best player right now. The figures don't lie, and the circumstances don't matter.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Zapteryx on 10/11/15 at 14:43:35

For what it's worth, Diogo is still the current champion on the non-DLC charts by .4 AF or so. I'm not sure whether it was agreed a long time ago which was to be the main chart, but as Normal + DLC is first on the page I guess it would make sense to use that. However, it also has fewer players than the non-DLC chart, so I'm not sure which is the better indicator of who should be the current champion...

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Rookie on 10/11/15 at 14:44:17

Props to Kasper really

It's still a big achievement, dpad or not, activity or not. He worked for it so congrats to him. The purpose of being #1 on the page is having the best timesheet on the page, which he does for DLC now. Saying he doesn't deserve it is just a bit silly I believe, especially considering Diogo set some seemingly mythical times for this era of the game.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Harmonia on 10/11/15 at 21:58:43

I never said Kasper doesn't deserve #1. He was the first one to master D-Pad, just like the first champion of the game (Marv, wasn't it?) mastered the game itself first. I only said that it would be more impressive if he took down Diogo while they were both playing. The D-Pad metagame is evolving and Kasper is the first one to get really good at what almost seems like a new game now. Of course Diogo used both D-Pad and Wheel but he didn't play enough with them to continue setting "mythical times." It's not like Kasper only got good because of the advantage either, he already had like 20+ top 10s and consistently scored well on wifi.

Don't get me wrong, Kasper does deserve #1 and I'm definitely not gonna devalue his achievement just cuz he used an advantaged controller that not many people are good at yet. Hell, Danny just failed rRRd WR by .002 yesterday when he's never been on Top 10 before that and I don't devalue his time because it's D-Padded, that's just the way the game is evolving.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Sam F on 10/13/15 at 14:20:11

1 Diogo Dos Santos Costa info France 3.0417 0.9792
1 Kasper Evans info USA 3.0417 -3.1042
They're tied again.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by .Hahaae on 10/13/15 at 21:18:53

Grats to Kasper for beating (tying lol) Diogo on the DLC chart.

Also, congrats to Diogo for being the first champion to last a year on the main chart! Big achievement.

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Sam F on 11/08/15 at 06:32:08

1 Diogo Dos Santos Costa info France 3.2708 1.2083
2 Kasper Evans info USA 3.3125 -2.8333
Diogo got #1 again without doing anything lmfao

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Dos Santos on 11/10/15 at 00:18:45

lurking is the way to win b o y z

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Vinnie927 on 12/12/15 at 16:09:50

No one noticed that Danny Zhu is the new champion for non-DLC.
He has 31/32 top 10s (only missing Sherbet Land)

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Kleenex on 12/13/15 at 03:36:15

The current top 3 makes a nice rivalry [smiley=smokin.gif]

http://www.mariokart64.com/mk8/rivalry.php?pids=349;199;257

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Rhodechill on 12/13/15 at 11:22:52

the most obvious data related trend form that that stands out to me is the fact that kasper has most of the dlc tracks claimed, while zhu has more of the older tracks claimed

Title: Re: New (Official) Champion: Kasper Evans
Post by Jazzy on 12/15/15 at 12:02:21

1 Danny Zhu Netherlands 3.7292 -0.3125
2 Kasper Evans USA 3.7708 0.1042

Looks like Danny Zhu has taken #1 on DLC AF!