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https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Mario Kart >> Mario Kart 8 >> Second chance for past cheaters ? https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1408875331 Message started by Mick on 08/24/14 at 02:15:31 |
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Title: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Mick on 08/24/14 at 02:15:31 There have been disagreements recently about whether some people who had cheated in previous karts games (specifically Mario Kart Wii) should be allowed on the MK8PP, where at the present time the public cannot hack time trials. This has been an highly debated topic for years for the older MK games, and those who know me more specifically from MKW, and especially MKSC, already know my stance on the matter, but since the rulings should be decided first and foremost by the core of the community, I figured I would let the opinion of other karters be heard here. Note that second chances would only be allowed and granted on a case-by-case basis (as every case is unique) by a group of knowledgeable and trusted people from the community, and would only apply for the MK8PP. The policy may also change were dangerous hacks publicly released. Of course, keep the thread civil, or else I'll just lock it and we'll keep proceeding as before. And explain your reasoning if possible if you have voted. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Abyssion on 08/24/14 at 03:54:10 No, for the simple reason of trust. If they've done it once, who's to say they won't do it again? |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by ALAKTORN on 08/24/14 at 03:55:37 MK8 is looking far more hackable than MK7 will ever get, so I’m a bit reluctant with allowing past cheaters. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Tia on 08/24/14 at 07:11:42 I agree with James and Alak [smiley=ninja.gif] |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by WillD on 08/24/14 at 07:29:34 7A777A706F7469753B0 wrote:
Agreed for this reason. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by TvK on 08/24/14 at 08:17:14 A huge part of the player's page relies on honesty and trust. By cheating you break the basic principles of the player's page. How are we ever supposed to let people who have done this before back on the page? We can't. As for my personal opinion: Cheating in a video game is one of the saddest things you can resort to in life. You will never get the recognition you're looking for by this way. Because of this, I strongly oppose second chances being given to people who come clean after cheating. I'll never buy any of that crap like "I was young, I was ignorant" or "I should have never done it, please forgive me". You are always aware of what you are doing when you try to cheat, if you cannot grasp that, than I'll politely ask you to get the fuck out of here. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Suuper on 08/24/14 at 10:15:15 Banning a player for life for a first offense seems like overkill. But whether cheating is possible or not, most times are updated with zero proof. The hackability of the game doesn't mean much. I think there should be the possibility of being allowed back eventually, but without any guarantees until that decision happens for each individual player. Of course past cheaters can always compare their times with what is on the PP, and post in records / PRs threads. It's not like they can't compete at all, so I'm in favor of erring on the safe side. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by KtPaco on 08/24/14 at 14:57:54 Hi Mick, i know this post is for me, so i'll writte my opinion without any vote. For me is not a honor being in a players page or something, i'm not going to die because of getting exclused of a web page. Firstly when i got mkw and was able to get a few tops at the beginning i had a lot of time for tt in life and was interestant for me to submit times in your page for my own interest because i felt noob and i wanted to compare me on a global with other players, i remember my level similar to cole gilbert, was my very near player to beat allways. After that i became pro started to get some er and many tops and joined the clan KT. I was keeping submiting times but after the hackers appeared it stopped having sence. My excuse is not that i was very young, or that i did it bad, mkw whas fucked up because of the hackers, i couldn't play ww because of the cheated items and couldn't get to the tops because of the tases and 0.000 times. I knew i was very good with the spear, and dh wasn't atractive to tasers for some reason so i centered my self on get my first wr after 5 years in that game. After that when i lost my wr by doom with the bowser bike, and somebody made a tas with the wheelie shortcut i started triying that with the spear, and got the shortcut very rarelly (still have fails on my chanel of that) it was a matter of time that i got that but after a lot of days i got exausted of failing lap 3.Then talking with somebody i got known about the homebrew chanel and that with a code you could redo any lap. As the rankings where allready fucked up because nintendo was not cleaning them i searched tas on youtube and got a channel of a guy called mr bean, i asked him how to redo a lap and didn't got the answer i was waiting, i say it again, for me mkw was dead and who said no was blind. Then after being acused of asking cheats, the own cheatters did contact with me and got the code, wish my clan published inmediatly in our forum so the code was not only for a few lucky guys.with the code was able firstly to redo my 3rth lap and then got motivated to make a perfect time. I did like 3 OR 4 tas wr but then people where using dolphin to make even more perfect times so i finally quitted mkw at all. What i want to say about this? get mad first with nintendo for allowing cheats in ww and the charts, second be mad with mr bean for hacking the game instead of going to the gym or have a girlfriend like a normal guy and release the code in secret for a few persons. When the game is screwed at all it has no sence that i'm mad for going in a ww and getting blue shells in the min 0 or for not being able to get on a top because times are perfect, its something you must assume because nintendo failed (im not saying i'm not guilty i did used the codes but who would really care, it was impossible to control that 100% at the end) Now about mk8: I really like to appear in the oficial nintendo Rankings, that is my only goal when i TT. For me submiting times in your page is work and something good for you, not for me as i'm not interested anymore on comparyng my global time because i don't have time right now to tt all the courses, but it maybe interestand for the comunity to have one of the best player even if it's on a few courses on his pp and make others compare their times with mine. Alvin asked me please to submit my few times to him, i'll did for make him happy as we are very friends because of stealing each other wr in Sonic all star racing, trackmania or some er in mkw. I really don't care if you use my times or not in your page, i will enjoy the game until mr bean starts fucking the game with his codes in some years and nintendo don0t do nothing. While that doesn't happen i will tt the courses i can't and like and even if u hate me or u admire me you will have to see me in some tops. My final opinion about this poll is that it has no sence: -Wich person will reply a question like that saying yeeeesssss nobody wants cheaters even in a table game so 99% will say no, and if u ask me i will say no too. -In my opinion pp in mk8 has to be open to everyone until the game gets screwed like mkw, then it's the end and u must assume it the times must be frezzed and be a before and an afer because after.... who knows who is friend of mr bean first and has the code, who knows if the one that cheated in smk or mk64 or mkw now can get the code or the new ones can have it or.. i don't know it's shit because we all love mk here if not we are not making polls or clans or fights or tt... but it's the reallity when cheats are online bye bye mk so we need to enjoy this moment with cheating free online and not think about the fucking cheats in future, because in that moment this mk will be dead. Now do what u want allow me on the pp or not, but as i said i feel like i'm making a favour to the comunitty doing tt and submiting times not at he invers. i will continue getting tan, stronger and faster in mk (L)(K):P(K)(L) |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Rhodechill on 08/24/14 at 21:28:46 First of all, Paco, I think we've done a pretty damn good job at filtering out cheated runs from the PP and/or the WR site. I'm pretty sure almost all the times are legitimate. And we have many trusted players like Cole, Sword, and Totom at the top of the charts that there isn't much to worry about. Also, the popularity of MKWii has died down severely, and especially without the online charts, it is very unlikely that the game will receive frequent submissions of more illegitimate times. There's little to no 'fame' or hype to do this, which is probably why a lot of others hacked the game. We caught mander, yourself, Danny, KT Mario, ONEROI, and many others, who all used pretty sneaky tactics (firehopping, for example). We've got some pretty good detection methods now. That being said, of course it's not impossible to hack MKWii undetected, and of course it is not impossible that someone would even try to do that. So because you believe that the game is in 'irreparable ruin' does not mean that everyone would agree with you and it gives you a right to cheat. Now I understand you've apologized for this. But what are we to expect when MK8 becomes frequently hacked in a few years' time? Are you going to one day get fed up 2 years down the road, declare the game ruined (which it won't be), and then cheat on it due to frustration and to prove a point that you dislike the game? Oh, and like in MKWii, you can't and shouldn't expect Nintendo to do a good job removing hackers from this game at all. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by KtPaco on 08/25/14 at 00:22:10 043E393233353E3F3A3A560 wrote:
As i said i will enjoy the game now and the years that we can, probablly 2. After is being hacked online and the charts are fucked up i will stop tt again. And if mr bean releases a TAS code again then why not triying to make a tas wr in some courses again? i mean, i'm not interested right now but maybe in the future when a lot of players tases and a quit mk8 for a time why not take a try to the tas and try to make a tas wr? i would probablly do that, but not while the charts are not fucked up. I'm not going to cry and say lies for being trusted, i'm just the way i am, maybe a little arrogant and ahestethic but it's just for joke, i really love to tt and i know the real concentration and time i expend on it, and i'm the first of you guy that don't want this game to be hacked because im older, i don't play other videogames, so when mkw was dead stopped all, and it will happen again in mk8 and i don't want this, but i will not lie if the fucking codes are out and the charts are dead i don't care if u manage to have a legit pp i will not belive anyone, stop normal tt and try to make some tas wr (i would make it all know if that day comes). cheers |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Frederiek06 on 08/25/14 at 03:19:49 My first thought: everybody deserves a second chance. But on the other hand, if you say they get a second chance, you're saying to everybody: It's okay to do it once. Maybe the answer should depend on the case? I like TAS-videos. But keep it for TAS-websites. Pretending it's non-TAS is [smiley=flush.gif]. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by 7Alvin on 08/25/14 at 05:05:42 For me, everyone can have a 2nd chance before being banned forever. Then it depends of the people, Mander and Walter, for example, tried too much to say they didn't cheat and also have a lot of knowledges about cheating, but some like Paco and Jay admitted and will maybe change their behaviours. Of course, if MK8 starts being like MKWii it will be very hard to trust past cheaters and we will be afraid that there will be new ones. About Mr Bean's hacks, I think we could use them only offline and we have the obligation from Nintendo to update the game, we can't use them. So I guess we can have a clean game for a long time if I'm not mistaken and we won't have a Wii U's emulator for a very long time. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by DaBlackBoi1 on 08/25/14 at 05:12:26 Quote:
Wouldn't it be better to try on a Emulator if one becomes available? |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Suuper on 08/25/14 at 06:36:11 394F627867600E0 wrote:
If someone cheats, and maintains that the run is legit even after there is evidence otherwise, I would not trust them again unless I noticed a long-term change in their behavior, or that one incident came from extreme circumstances. Paco, from his post here, does not seem repentant at all. Perhaps we can trust him until he suspects the game is "broken", but how do you know when that is? Nintendo will not fix MK8 unless it becomes a big enough problem to stop sales. If it becomes hard to get a good room in WW now, they will probably take action, especially if any upcoming DLC is payed. If it happens when MK9 is already being advertised, they won't care much. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by 4orz on 08/25/14 at 07:55:06 013E1A2B29254A0 wrote:
You just shit out a whole fucking novel so I would think the opposite. ;D That aside, I kinda understand what you mean. I hope MK8 won't finish as bad as MKW... |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Rhodechill on 08/25/14 at 10:10:42 18270332303C530 wrote:
As i said i will enjoy the game now and the years that we can, probablly 2. After is being hacked online and the charts are fucked up i will stop tt again. And if mr bean releases a TAS code again then why not triying to make a tas wr in some courses again? i mean, i'm not interested right now but maybe in the future when a lot of players tases and a quit mk8 for a time why not take a try to the tas and try to make a tas wr? i would probablly do that, but not while the charts are not fucked up. I'm not going to cry and say lies for being trusted, i'm just the way i am, maybe a little arrogant and ahestethic but it's just for joke, i really love to tt and i know the real concentration and time i expend on it, and i'm the first of you guy that don't want this game to be hacked because im older, i don't play other videogames, so when mkw was dead stopped all, and it will happen again in mk8 and i don't want this, but i will not lie if the fucking codes are out and the charts are dead i don't care if u manage to have a legit pp i will not belive anyone, stop normal tt and try to make some tas wr (i would make it all know if that day comes). cheers [/quote] The tl;dr version of what Paco is saying: "I will cheat again when I determine the charts are 'fucked up'." ...yeah, no. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Arrow on 08/25/14 at 10:47:27 We should give previuos cheaters a second chance, and if they cheat again THEN they should be permanently banned. I honestly don't see any harm in keeping them around on the PP. If they're smart they won't cheat again. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by TvK on 08/25/14 at 12:52:05 Someone who's advocating for a second chance for cheaters, please enlighten me. What possible reason could there be for someone to cheat at a game and be forgiven for that? Are you honestly willing to let everyone have one shot at cheating and if they come clean afterwards, than they can still decide whether they're suddenly going to play by the rules or not? Also, correct me if I'm wrong here, but is there a single cheater that admitted to cheating BEFORE they got caught? |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by RRD on 08/25/14 at 13:03:27 The image it would give of the website is terrible. How do you expect people to join & take the Players' Page rankings seriously if they see that you allow past cheaters to come back as if nothing happened? |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Ridley_ on 08/25/14 at 13:34:11 At first I thought past cheaters could just prove every single PR they made sharing their ghost or doing a video of it. But as said above, if we allow them to be back on the PP that means we will have to trust them when TAS tools are available. So no. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by 7Alvin on 08/26/14 at 00:35:04 We can easily delete them once it's possible to cheat. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Near on 08/26/14 at 00:58:27 027459435C5B350 wrote:
just going to reply to this with : What if they found how to cheat but won't tell to anyone? |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by 7Alvin on 08/26/14 at 01:20:31 ^Then we should remove them everywhere and not only on the PP imo, we need a proof that it's possible to cheat online and not only offline. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Mick on 08/26/14 at 03:20:58 20567B617E79170 wrote:
"Let's only allow you on the site until it is possible to cheat runs, when then we'll remove you anyway regardless of what you do!" In which world is this a reasonable option? They either stay out or they stay in completely (until they actually cheat again). There would be no guarantees for those who would want to redeem themselves. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by 7Alvin on 08/26/14 at 05:52:23 I just have a good hope that this won't be like MKWii about cheating, but if it will ever happen, I can't trust past cheaters because they had in their minds to cheat so it could easily happen again. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Lee on 08/26/14 at 07:07:45 Doesn't matter if the game is not publicly open for hacks. Even if you can't hack, you can still cheat. Alexy Echinard on the MK7 PP is an example where he submitted times but would never prove them after countless attempts when it was known he had media able to record and take pictures. If someone has cheated in the past, they shouldn't be given a second chance. Old habits die hard. I feel as though past cheaters would feel more tempted to cheat again, and even if they don't, they should have thought about the consequences in the first place. Accepting them once more is like we're condoning their inexcusable behaviour which doesn't portray the PP in a positive light and it casts a shadow on those who kart legitimately who want to compete with other legitimate people. The PP ought to stick to their guns and not go back on important policies such as this, or in future people may try to take advantage because it will just start opening gaps and you might end up with a big cheating problem once more. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Mr.Nosey on 08/26/14 at 10:56:42 Odd thing about giving people a second chance is that in mkw, some people were banned for life after only being caught once, e.g. Artur Bauer and Jorge Hernandez (note especially word 'caught' in Jorge's case). So allowing people a 2nd chance in mk8 produces the odd situation where they can be banned in mkw but free in mk8, which is fucking dumb, rules should be equivalent everywhere. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Brett on 08/26/14 at 11:02:16 Nobody should be given a 2nd chance at playing this game ever. However if someone gets removed due to no proof of their times and then they prove them later on they should be reinstated. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Suuper on 08/26/14 at 11:36:19 Most/all of this has been said before, but reading the OP again these specific points seem to pretty well explain why the specific rule change suggested in the OP wouldn't be a great idea. 45636673644F79657E7F27160 wrote:
There will be a time when the public can use hacks, and a decent chance that time will be preceded by a time when one or more people looking to cheat can, without the public knowing. The vast majority of times are without proof. Cheating is easy without hacks, even if harder to avoid detection in the long run. Allowing players to join only temporarily is just silly. Nobody much wants that, and it doesn't discourage cheating again. If past cheaters were allowed after hacks were publicly available, why would this be only for the MK8PP? (and the present situation of the public not being able to hack becomes irrelevant) |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by theyounggun on 08/27/14 at 06:42:17 This isn't just about you Paco, this is about all the asshole cheaters in general... I don't care weather the mojority of you cheaters will do it again or not, there's always going to be one cheating asshole... So I'm sorry Paco but it's a no |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by JαS on 08/27/14 at 08:44:38 087E534956513F0 wrote:
if they dont tell anyone how are we supposed to know |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by TasPlasma on 08/27/14 at 14:47:19 At least half of the cheaters of MKW were immature 13 year olds at the time, they have grown up now, and maybe deserve a second chance (unless they went to lengths to deny their runs were cheated, Walter, Mander and a bunch of others should be banned for life). I guess I am 50/50 on this. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by 7Alvin on 08/28/14 at 08:15:25 1B3731353A0C540 wrote:
if they dont tell anyone how are we supposed to know[/quote] We need some proofs that it's possible to cheat ONLINE, first. People can hack like Mr Bean only offline for now, so if there are updates from Nintendo, it will probably doesn't work. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Suuper on 08/28/14 at 15:22:44 Can someone explain to me how cheating online is even relevant when Time Trialing? |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by 7Alvin on 08/29/14 at 04:07:18 By online I meant you're connected to a wifi connection. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by theyounggun on 08/29/14 at 06:08:51 So online rankings and stuff |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Suuper on 08/29/14 at 07:34:38 36406D77686F010 wrote:
From my understanding of how it's done, that is possible. But regardless, that still means nothing when TTing! Creating a ghost while cheating does not require an internet connection. Uploading can be done later, when hacks are off. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by 7Alvin on 08/31/14 at 02:08:11 ^Yeah, but then it depends of Nintendo, if they often do patch with a lot of updates we can avoid all that, but not sure they would care enough though. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by .Hahaae on 08/31/14 at 21:33:18 You know, I used to be a pretty big advocate for giving people a second chance. But the more experience you get with dealing with cheaters, the more you realize that it really isn't worth a second chance. Most people who've been around for a while will probably say the same. They know the consequences of cheating and should be ready to accept them when caught. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by gogojuice on 01/01/15 at 02:38:01 Well here's my stance on the whole situation: No. Why? Well when you're on a game online to have to lose and be frustrated with the fact that there's someone who's going to play dishonestly only for the purpose of their own self-benefit of greed via ratings, self-emotional pride, etc. it just allows those bad people who can't face the fact that they won't be able to do what they've wanted to do so they'll cheat their way online to show-off, to win, to annoy etc. In some cases there are mistakes where bans are givens for hefty times just because of the use of it. It's not a big deal if it is a friends match because who honestly cares what's going on in those matches it's their own little civil suit and they can solve it themselves so Nintendo has absolutely no reason to pass on bans for what goes on in those matches. The problem is where Nintendo decides that tampering with the system and looking into it is bad. Instead it should be the opposite; it should be encouraged. Why? All you're doing by having people not tamper is losing the ability for the white hat hackers to lose support because you don't want the truth being unveiled within the system, or for liability corporate reasons because you don't want to have to deal with people opening up the system, breaking it, and asking for refunds. It all comes down to self benefit and greed. If people weren't trying to cheat each other via hacking and corporatism then this wouldn't be a problem. Thing is: Ban cheaters, don't ban people who actually take the time to learn how the system works and learn what they can do and uncover just the fascination of technology, instead embrace opening the console and learning how it works. It just makes me sick when people think that hacking = cheating. Most of the people that are cheating are just getting programs in those rare cases there are actually smart enough people that are doing it for self benefit just to promote their name through a program just so they can get their name out there and purposefully doing the harm all out of greed or they have some crazy mental problem. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Mackenzie Fuller on 01/04/15 at 10:36:17 Maybe they should come back as long as they prove their times. If they can't prove their times, they could be frozen, but if they cheat again, there should be no more chances. I didn't even cheat in MKW, only edited a picture, and got banned for it. Blame my jealousy :\ (Won't give me a second chance even though it wasn't cheating, that's why I've pretty much left this community.) |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by VinnieC on 01/04/15 at 11:29:40 I don't understand why we wouldn't allow times if they were streamed, even if the person was a cheater. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Michael F on 01/04/15 at 12:21:23 6F6460626F646062636A7B7B62656E78780B0 wrote:
I just read the page where you posted the pic: http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1385329406/754#754 You definitely did cheat. To cheat is to break a rule, and submitting fake times is against the rules. Luckily you didn't cheat very well and got caught quickly. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Nicholas Joseph Renzetti III on 01/04/15 at 17:50:11 You guys realize that cheaters can join the players page under a different name, right? |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Ruin on 01/05/15 at 10:05:47 42656F6463606D7F5E69620C0 wrote:
We'll still know who they are based on the name they used on their times, alts exist, yes, but if they have WW top 10s they'll always use their real name. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by .Hahaae on 01/20/15 at 06:10:45 7B5F555E57535A6970445F5352360 wrote:
I just read the page where you posted the pic: http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1385329406/754#754 You definitely did cheat. To cheat is to break a rule, and submitting fake times is against the rules. Luckily you didn't cheat very well and got caught quickly.[/quote] Basically this. If you're old enough to make sensible posts on the internet and on this forum, then you're old enough to understand the consequences of cheating. Consequences that have been made very clear many times over. Sorry, but it's entirely your fault and you've nobody to blame but yourself. Cheating = banned |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Captain Strong on 01/20/15 at 18:50:37 I think too many people here forget that there is varied degrees of cheating, and various impacts that these can have on the community and competition. Since when was this shit: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrsaGtNjDak[/media] On the same level as this crafty scheme: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJIG-y5c0u0[/media] Remember, kids: It's only a game |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Vinnie927 on 03/30/15 at 13:01:25 If Victor and Tyler cheated in MKW, why are their WRs counted? Why is Tyler on the PP? |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by =★inspire♪ on 03/31/15 at 10:54:11 I say we shouldn't give players who cheated in the past a second chance because we don't want people to cheat on other Mario Kart games. Just remember what Walter, Mander, Daniel, Artur, Jeorge, Jay, and countless others did to screw up the trust in this community! They made the community change into a place of instead of welcoming players into this community with full everlasting trust to shunning them and banning them for life! Not to mention what may happen in MK8 just recently. Now that Mr. Bean created Riivolution for the Wii U (application named Caffiine) and made item hacks, just think of the future for MK8. The MK8 community can get as bad or possibly worse than the Mkwii community! Once Nintendo comes out with their new console in the next year or 2 (code named NX), they may be less strict on copyright issues and let Mr. Bean release Caffiine and create the same problem as this community. It is only going to end up the same as this community or worse. That is why I believe we should not give second chances. Once a cheater, always a cheater! |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by =★inspire♪ on 03/31/15 at 11:01:38 Sorry if I came out strict or mean but I just don't want any other community to suffer like this community is and it wouldn't be right for other communities to suffer like us because this community sees new cheaters far to much to forgive past cheaters. In all respect they not only ruined it for others but mostly blew it for themselves too. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by .Hahaae on 04/06/15 at 08:29:58 If they were actually consistent with the PP rules, then no, Tyler should not be on the MK8 site or any other PP, ever (this is definitely my stance as well). However, the mk8 community seems to do its own thing anyways so I doubt that will happen. At any rate its not my problem because I can't stand playing this game. If the mk8 pp wants to let in cheaters, that's their own mistake to make. I'd imagine that the subject has been beaten half to death anyways. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by WillD on 04/06/15 at 10:46:46 In my opinion, as long as the game remains un-cheatable, they should be allowed on. As soon as a hacking method is found however, proof for all future times needs to be demanded from past cheaters. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by JACOB@MK8 on 04/06/15 at 11:40:38 7145525352455E525C0701370 wrote:
This is why I say cheaters do not deserve the privilege to be on any PP. That should be the standard for this entire site, but it wasn't and still isn't. |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Zenin10 on 12/16/15 at 13:26:22 They Should be able to have a second chance but after a 1 week ban so they will learn their lesson if they cheat again they should have a 2 week ban if they do it again stop giving them chances |
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Title: Re: Second chance for past cheaters ? Post by Blackyboi on 12/16/15 at 16:45:53 706B69626B7873623A3D0A0 wrote:
Two weeks? you gotta be kidding even I as past cheater demand at least 1 year ban at least rather 2 years and a hard schedule(in terms of proving the times to be submitted) for the coming year |
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