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https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl General >> General Discussion >> why does grammer and punctuation matter? https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1303180974 Message started by Patricio on 04/18/11 at 18:42:54 |
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Title: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Patricio on 04/18/11 at 18:42:54 why does it matter how people write? For instance, why can't I write "hello my name is patrick. Yesterday I watched this movie called the godfather. " As long as you can read what someone is writing why does it matter if I don't capitalize my name or put the name of the movie in italics? And who honestly cares about where you put commas and shit? why does this matter? Me and joe went to the park, it was really fun and we saw jane, she was wearing a blue dress. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by thewebinator on 04/18/11 at 18:47:48 Mostly common practice. However it was first created just became habit and it's been passed down through the years. Nobody launched a full-scale grammar revolution, so people stayed as they were. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Honko on 04/18/11 at 19:13:25 "I'm stupid, but that's OK because smart people are elitists." |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by KoopZ on 04/18/11 at 19:13:54 i more or less agree. i tend to stick with the basic rules that i was taught way back when, but other than that i couldn't care less. i always thought MLA format was the stupidest, most tedious thing that anyone ever came up with. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Patricio on 04/18/11 at 19:35:19 765D5A465B340 wrote:
"I'm a snob who has to have my students' works cited in an arbitrary format instead of a simple list." |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Goose on 04/18/11 at 20:20:00 i do agree with what patricito is saynig it is a really smart guament if it were nto for peaople loike him then there would be no hope for the world |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by MVT on 04/18/11 at 20:37:52 http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l16pqmNsdk1qzueujo1_400.jpg |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Patricio on 04/18/11 at 20:46:44 Well it's stupid within reason. Obviously if you can't spell and make something unreadable then that's a problem. in 50 years writing in text language will be normal. I'd like 2 apple I 4 the job in marketing. Look 4ward tu Cing u soon. <3 |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Honko on 04/18/11 at 20:56:09 If you keep making unreadable posts, I'm going to start deleting them. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by NStride on 04/18/11 at 21:02:26 I agree that it's not something to get up tight about or snobbish with. Yes, preposition at end and fragment here. People find it easier to read good grammar and sentence structure, but there is a lot more to a post than just the words. How you write is who you are. It would be terribly boring if everyone wrote the same. For example, I usually think quite a bit before I speak. I've had some tough chats before on the internet, and one person that I talked with had to wait for 20 minutes before I continued talking, lol. Because of this, for me, it is basically subconscious to use good grammar. When I put a lot of thought into something, I want to make sure it also looks that way. This very post has gone through 2 "drafts", lol. Telling people to write more.. clearly is like asking them to be someone they're not. If I was asked to stop using good grammar because it wasn't the thing people wanted to see, I would get rather pissed off. Anyway, that's my long, pointless ramble at one in the morning for you all... ::) |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Goose on 04/18/11 at 21:21:34 Patricio Imagine for a second this is the year 20000 CE. There was an apocalyptic event in the year 2012 CE and only 100 humans survived. Only now in 20000 CE have humans revived their species to the point where they can dig through history and read into the way the humans lived before their cataclysm. By this point in the future, the languages used in the world are completely different than the ones today. All the information about our human race right now is in a language unfamiliar to the future people. It's like how humans had to decipher Sumerian or Aramaic texts despite there being no one around who knew those languages. Now tell me Patricio... how can you decipher historical texts when the people who wrote them used poor grammar? It's impossible. We OWE it to the future generations to write properly, so that they can one day DISCOVER the way we lived and LEARN from our mistakes. Think about your children. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Nicholas H on 04/18/11 at 21:39:24 I believe we are taught proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation in our grade schools because this is a standard for the language, and our educators feel as if this standard should not be changed, so that our great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren will actually be able to read and understand things that were written in our current day (and before). Think of how much the English language itself has changed and evolved over 1,000 years. That was because for much of that time, there was no standard to follow, or because people were not educated the way they are today (or are just doing what we are doing now, corrupting the language by our own intentions). Indeed, the English of 1,000 years ago more resembles today's Icelandic than modern English. If people are lazy and continue to write everything "text-message style", I feel as if few, if any, people in decades, centuries, or millenia to come will be able to read and understand the standard English that our educators are fighting to preserve. Indeed, "standard" written English is in peril of morphing into "text-talk", just the way Old English morphed into today's English. This is why there have been no English spelling reforms in a very long time-- people now realize that changing the way we speak or write our language means that it will be foreign to generations of the distant future. (If they are taught that it's "thru", will they be able to understand what "through" means when they see it? etc.) Other languages are certainly not immune, with French, German, and Japanese increasingly borrowing words and phrases from English. I know that there is even an Academie Française which is trying to set a standard for what is "French". And I'm sure French schoolchildren are still taught the proper French terminology for things now receiving English monikers by the speakers of their own language. If educators and the Academie Française weren't around to keep the French language French, do you reckon it will slowly morph into an English-French pidgin in time to come, and quite unintelligible to the French people of 1,000 years from now? |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Zarkov on 04/18/11 at 21:40:56 If you don't use proper grammar and spelling, you look like a dumb 15 year old called padz. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Camster on 04/18/11 at 22:20:36 To me, the biggest reason is respect. Respect towards the people who are reading your* writing. They are taking the time to read what you have written. Your thoughts are apparently important enough for them to take the time to read, so why would you not feel obligated to make your writing as easy to read as possible? Are your thoughts so important that the reader must be required to decode the bad grammar and punctuation first before being graced with your thinking? Respect towards the written language. Writing is a fantastic tool that enables unspoken communication. Try to imagine a world without it. Consider also that the written word is more than a means of exchange between minds - it's actually a snapshot of what someone is thinking. We cogitate, we converse, and we move on, but the written exchange harnesses those thoughts. Why would we not respect that by making sure it's as transparent as possible? Lazy grammar/punctuation begs the reader to pay more attention to the words themselves, and less to the thoughts behind the words. *When I say "you", I don't mean you, Patricio, specifically. I'm just answering in general. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by johnboy81918 on 04/18/11 at 22:47:36 5D4C796E7A797F685F756E7F70791C0 wrote:
I really like Cam's post, particularly the part I'm quoting here. I made a similar argument on gamefaqs at some point, and was immediately outcast as an elitist and grammar nazi - I suppose I should have factored in the audience before making a moderately meaningful post. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Timothy on 04/18/11 at 23:40:57 757778787978757A77647D160 wrote:
+1. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by robman60 on 04/19/11 at 02:35:36 I try to use it because why would someone use the incorrect way, when the correct way isn't much more difficult? About 50% of people in my school say "I seen" and "I done" and I feel there is an onus of responsibility on me to correct them. Surely it's just as easy to say "I saw". :-/ |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Freakster on 04/19/11 at 03:26:02 For me the historical text argument has little value. Communicating with each other in the present to me is much more important than being able to read or decipher writings from the past. I do agree with Patricio that the most important thing is to be able to understand each other, without worrying about the details. But as NStride mentioned, your writing tells something about who you are. Apart from things like dyslexia, consistently making the same 'mistakes' may give others the impression that you are someone: - who speaks before thinking about what to say and how to say it. - who is more concerned about expressing himself, than reaching others. - who isn't willing to learn or correct/change himself. I'm not saying this is necessarily true, but it can definitely be interpreted by others this way. Of course you can be aware of this and just not care about it (wanting to make a statement, not looking to reach these particular people, etc.). But if you're not aware of this, you might be too self-involved to notice how you come across to others in the first place. A more detailed remark, which may be something personal (or not): 32000710160D140B010A5256620 wrote:
I do! It doesn't have to be a perfect use of commas, but reading long sentences without them is a true pain >:( Punctuation gives the reader to chance to breathe once in a while. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Tazz on 04/19/11 at 03:36:07 774354505A42455443310 wrote:
I agree on this. When skimming a topic I usually skip a wall of text. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Timothy on 04/19/11 at 03:37:40 By the way, is the title an intentional misspell or are you simply a retard? |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by ALAKTORN on 04/19/11 at 04:37:08 22282B283628510 wrote:
[smiley=roll.gif] I hate when people misspell things, they get unreadable. proper grammar, I don't care too much about |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Camster on 04/19/11 at 07:38:44 I like Goose's "think of the children!" response ;D Also, capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse.." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse.." |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by thewebinator on 04/19/11 at 07:49:54 Technically "i had to help my uncle jack off a horse" ::) |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Timothy on 04/19/11 at 09:42:02 Lower case "I"? :-? |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by thewebinator on 04/19/11 at 09:43:38 yeah he said capitalization is the difference between example A and B, yet the I was capitalized. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Suprsilver on 04/19/11 at 10:05:19 LOLOL it's grammar, not grammer. It just makes posts easier to read. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Timothy on 04/19/11 at 10:08:44 7062656E69667368753633070 wrote:
So what? He's only talking about Jack/jack. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by federeriscol on 04/19/11 at 12:59:53 Everybody here is using incorrect English. This is from Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet Act 2, Scene 6. This is English from 16th - 17th Century, which is the true form of English. We should resort to using this method in the future. So smile the heavens upon this holy act, That after hours with sorrow chide us not! Amen, amen! but come what sorrow can, It cannot countervail the exchange of joy That one short minute gives me in her sight: Do thou but close our hands with holy words, Then love-devouring death do what he dare; It is enough I may but call her mine. These violent delights have violent ends And in their triumph die, like fire and powder, Which as they kiss consume: the sweetest honey Is loathsome in his own deliciousness And in the taste confounds the appetite: Therefore love moderately; long love doth so; Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow. Here comes the lady: O, so light a foot Will ne'er wear out the everlasting flint: A lover may bestride the gossamer That idles in the wanton summer air, And yet not fall; so light is vanity. Good even to my ghostly confessor. Romeo shall thank thee, daughter, for us both. JULIET As much to him, else is his thanks too much. ROMEO Ah, Juliet, if the measure of thy joy Be heap'd like mine and that thy skill be more To blazon it, then sweeten with thy breath This neighbour air, and let rich music's tongue Unfold the imagined happiness that both Receive in either by this dear encounter. Conceit, more rich in matter than in words, Brags of his substance, not of ornament: They are but beggars that can count their worth; But my true love is grown to such excess I cannot sum up sum of half my wealth. Come, come with me, and we will make short work; For, by your leaves, you shall not stay alone Till holy church incorporate two in one. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Camster on 04/19/11 at 13:11:46 I don't see how free-verse poetry can set any precedent for proper English. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Timothy on 04/19/11 at 15:23:55 That post seems like nothing more than a troll... |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by KoopZ on 04/19/11 at 15:44:43 cam's example on why capitalization is important is the best i've ever seen. maybe i'll try to pay more attention to my capitalization (obviously, i normally don't). |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Patricio on 04/19/11 at 16:14:07 Grammer Nazi's itt. also people from Europe routinely misspell the words harbor, color and check. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Sorozone on 04/19/11 at 16:30:22 6F5D5A4D4B5049565C570F0B3F0 wrote:
That's not really misspelling. That's just a case of being ignorant towards the differences of American English and European English. Edit: And to answer your question, it matters because it makes you look illiterate otherwise, and you shouldn't want to be illiterate. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Glozboy on 04/20/11 at 01:02:12 10222532342F362923287074400 wrote:
It's actually Americans misspelling harbour, colour and cheque. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by NStride on 04/20/11 at 05:31:22 Perhaps a classic example as to why at least spelling is awfully important... http://www.democraticunderground.com/mail/hatemail_25_01.jpg |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Suprsilver on 04/20/11 at 06:44:44 4B444E5340465F444E4F4F442A0 wrote:
There's this guy in my school called Michael Moran (who IS a moron) and we often said something similar to that, lol. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Freakster on 04/20/11 at 08:03:05 40727562647F667973782024100 wrote:
Would be wise not to judge when being ignorant... |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Zarkov on 04/20/11 at 08:05:50 lol I think you dudes complaining about that post from Pat are the ignorant ones as you are obviously being trolled. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Patricio on 04/20/11 at 08:11:34 71737C7C7D7C717E736079120 wrote:
We have a winner. ;D BTW Clark, what are Quassels? I don't know how to spell it. James May said, "People in the grocery store buying usless things like Quassels." He pronounced it QUA-sulls. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Freakster on 04/20/11 at 08:37:28 586A6D7A7C677E616B60383C080 wrote:
So I take it from this utterly clever response that you weren't really interested in what other people had to say about the subject, but just wanted to express your own opinion. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Zarkov on 04/20/11 at 08:40:54 No idea what 'quassels' are, but it sounds like maybe a weird pronunciation of 'croissants'. May is always a bit anti French. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by oneshot1985 on 04/20/11 at 10:54:07 The Goose post about our children was amazing. His point stands but grammar and punctuation on an internet forum, especially a mario kart one is highly fucking irrelevant. As long as I can understand it with a glance i don't mind, save the glamour for TIME magazine. |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Camster on 04/20/11 at 11:06:40 Imagine if the world ended on April 1st. Oh how silly we would seem to our future excavators! |
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Title: Re: why does grammer and punctuation matter? Post by Etch on 04/20/11 at 14:29:45 Since this is a mario kart board, one would hope your time would be spent getting pr's instead of correcting posts that no one asked for correcting. Quote:
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