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https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Mario Kart >> Mario Kart Super Circuit >> MKSC Team Challenge - Extension https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1296921050 Message started by NStride on 02/05/11 at 07:50:49 |
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Title: MKSC Team Challenge - Extension Post by NStride on 02/05/11 at 07:50:49 The Players: 1) Mick (#2) 2) flo233 (#4) 3) NStride (#25) 4) robman60 (#29) 5) Zwiebel (#36) 6) V|K (#37) 7)Christophe (#54) 8) humpy (#63) 9) Web (#96) TEAMS: (1, 6, 7) vs. (2, 5, 8) vs. (3, 4, 9) Team 1: Mick, V|K, Christophe (Team name...?) Team 2: flo233, Zwiebel, humpy (Team name...?) Team 3: NStride, robman60, thewebinator (Team name...?) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by thewebinator on 02/05/11 at 08:51:16 I'd be up for it. I think it would have to be short though in terms of length I'm guessing, maybe get 8 active players to do it for two teams of four. MKSC has a lot of glitchy stuff though so it shouldn't be hard to think of challenges. I'm #96, Int E if you want to know for seeding the teams. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by V|K on 02/05/11 at 10:02:18 I'll try to find some time for this. Exp C #37 |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by El Niņo on 02/05/11 at 10:10:57 I would definately be in for this. #60 Advanced E -Christophe. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by flo233 on 02/05/11 at 13:47:14 If the challenges are funny i'm in |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by Boom3r on 02/05/11 at 14:19:45 i'd participate if it starts after the 10th of march. i don't think this is the case though |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by humpy92 on 02/05/11 at 14:33:37 Yeah count me in, will be ranked 63rd/Adv E with new update :) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by NStride on 02/05/11 at 15:59:45 7C76752829291A0 wrote:
It might include things like having to play a grand prix race and hit one specific CPU with 3 shells, to Time Trials where you have to do a certain number of AB burnouts after doing an SC, or going around a lake a certain number of times each lap, it could be anything. ;) Also, there will probably be things like player restrictions where you have to play as Mario, so it would feel different. Seb, do you think you could perhaps come up with a list of challenges like these, so I don't have the capability of picking challenges I might have an advantage in? IIRC, these are, or at least this one can be, 8 weeks long, with 2 teams aka 4 challenges a week, so we'd need 32 challenges. Maybe 12 to get us started would be nice. Looking for one more player. Mick or KartingAtheist? |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by thewebinator on 02/05/11 at 19:46:40 They don't have to be 8 weeks. I just did 8 weeks because I wanted to do one per course, but most run 4 weeks (MK64 did, MKDD did, MKDS not really sure). Idk if MKW will even last for 8 weeks, but do whatever you feel like you can pull off. I'm excited for this since I'm inspired to play MKSC again. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by Boom3r on 02/06/11 at 02:39:33 353A302D3E38213A3031313A540 wrote:
well i don't have much time for that. gonna have an oral exam on tuesday and start traveling on thursday. i might come up with a few untested ideas :/ |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by robman60 on 02/06/11 at 03:13:23 I'll give it a go! Expert A, |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by humpy92 on 02/06/11 at 03:17:45 if we get it up to nine players we can do 3 teams of three, probably more fun than two teams of 4 |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by Mick on 02/06/11 at 10:43:36 I have bunch of ideas already for challenges, including some infamous ones ;D And I can make a lot more with some work. In, of course (#2, Myth D) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by NStride on 02/06/11 at 11:44:16 Okay, this is what I have: The Players: (1) Mick (#2) (2) flo233 (#4) (3) NStride (#26) (4) robman60 (#28) (5) V|K (#37) (6) Christophe (#58) (7) humpy (#63) (8) Web (#96) (9) Chris (#102) There will be 3 teams of 3. Possible Team Combo 1 (AF based): Team 1 is Mick, Christophe and Web = 154 Team 2 is flo233, robman60, and Chris = 134 and with a ZZMT player Team 3 is NStride, V|K, and humpy = 126 with no ZZMTers. Possible Team Combo 2 (Seed based): Team 1 is (1, 6, 7): Mick, Christophe and humpy Team 2 is (2, 5, 8): flo233, V|K, and Web Team 3 is (3, 4, 9): NStride, robman60, Chris Which Team Combo seems fairest to you guys? Also, how does a 6 week competition sound? I've also decided what I think would be a good way to pick challenges. Each player gets to think up and send via PM to me whatever challenge he wants. I toss the numbers 1-9 in a hat, and the three numbers I pick are the challenges for the week. Sound good? Finally, when do you all want to start? |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by El Niņo on 02/06/11 at 11:52:01 I like how in either choice, I end up with Mick. ;D 6 weeks sounds fine to me. I think I like Option 1 more, but I'm not sure. I'm very bad at coming up with ideas for this kind of things... I won't be able to play MKSC during the week of the 21st-27th of February, so I would say start 1st week of March. -Christophe. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge? Post by flo233 on 02/06/11 at 12:09:00 I'm the only ZZMT player in the challenge. But i guess that ban ZZMT is more fair. I have a non-ZZMT GBA so it's not a problem. 6 weeks is good and i can start when it's fine for everyone |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge; ATTN: See post 13 Post by NStride on 02/06/11 at 12:11:44 ^ Mick is also in, flo. If we had a ban ZZMT, the seeding method team combo I think would work well. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge; ATTN: See post 13 Post by robman60 on 02/06/11 at 12:46:33 ^Mick doesn't use ZZMT. Also, take into account how active people have been recently. Someone's rank isn't an accurate depiction of their current playing in some cases. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge; ATTN: See post 13 Post by Chris on 02/06/11 at 12:51:50 Err... okay including me in something I even don't know from is a little bit weird, isn't it? |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge; ATTN: See post 13 Post by NStride on 02/06/11 at 13:21:03 6C717C737F702B271E0 wrote:
Oh he doesn't? Wow. And yes Chris, you are playing, whether you like it or not. ;D |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge; ATTN: See post 13 Post by Chris on 02/06/11 at 13:25:21 You know that I will own this GBA for just a few weeks right? It's not mine :o I can't continue playing as soon as my neighbour wants it back :-? |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge; ATTN: See post 13 Post by Mick on 02/06/11 at 13:28:38 6 weeks is alright. Start time doesn't matter to me, I can always find time to play ! |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge; ATTN: See post 13 Post by NStride on 02/06/11 at 13:29:40 -> eBay.com -> Search "Game Boy Advance SP" -> Buy |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge; ATTN: See post 13 Post by Zwiebel on 02/06/11 at 15:44:00 If someone's fropping out I can take his place. Just in case. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge; ATTN: See post 13 Post by NStride on 02/08/11 at 10:33:36 Okay, haven't heard much from you Chris. I really wanted you in this comp so you could really experience the fun of MKSC... :( But if you can't, that's fine. So, Zwieb is in unless we hear otherwise. :) Also, 3 weeks from now, Tuesday the 1st of March sounds like the agreed upon starting day. So, players will be finalized on the 21st. On the 23rd, the player's final rankings and seeds are set in stone. From that day till the 26th, the thread will be open for voting on what the fairest team combination will be, and the competitors should each send me a PM for what they want the first three challenges to be. The 27th and 28th are days for team organization, i.e. getting skype contacts for strat discussion/tips, and maybe even team names. On the 1st, all hell breaks loo... I mean, the competition officially starts. [smiley=ninja.gif] Sound good to everyone, or am I overkilling on the planning? ;D |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge Post by Chris on 02/08/11 at 12:49:20 @Andy: Well, I had some sessions the last time and that's it for now. I will buy a new GBA maybe next month... I don't really HAVE to play MKSC, it's fun as soon as you find out how to control and stuff (the feeling for it) but it's not the same as SMK :( (crashed my timeset: 80/80 new PRs) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge Post by humpy92 on 02/08/11 at 15:34:47 Somebody has to do the planning andy [smiley=thumbsup.gif] sounds goood to me, im happy with either team option. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge Post by humpy92 on 02/10/11 at 23:55:24 andy, when do u want suggestions for challenges in by? How many do you want from each person? |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge; ATTN: See post 13 Post by NStride on 02/22/11 at 11:26:49 737C766B787E677C7677777C120 wrote:
^ Sorry about that! I completely skipped over this thread. [smiley=chairshot.gif] Each person sends in 1 suggestion for a challenge, and out of the 9 challenges, 3 are picked for the week. Anyway, the official players and seeds are up! Check the first post; I will edit it in a couple minutes. (Now I can send in my hoarded PRs...) ::) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge Post by Mick on 02/22/11 at 11:32:24 Ouch, I forgot to send in my challenge suggestions. I have some |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge Post by NStride on 02/22/11 at 11:37:53 A challenge that requires destroying every block on VL2? ::) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge Post by Mick on 02/22/11 at 11:41:57 How did you read my mind... FFFFUUUUUUUUUU... (I actually tried this one just for the lolz) However I have even harder ones, but the number of people that could finish them would be very low. ::) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge Post by humpy92 on 02/25/11 at 05:32:05 where is this poll?...... ill come up with a few challenges by tomoro |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge Post by NStride on 02/25/11 at 13:07:14 Darn it. I forgot while trying to update all this other stuff. I didn't make it right away because the battery on my laptop died. Just a moment. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge Post by NStride on 02/25/11 at 13:27:04 Okay, the options are up. The first option is strictly seed based. The second option is AF based. The teams would be: Mick, NStride, Web. = 123 AF total. (115.4 = group AF average/ 354 points overall), (Will likely do well in 2 events of the week, kind of a wild card team depending on how much Web plays.) vs. Flo, V|K, humpy. = 104 AF total (Above the average, however, Flo will not be allowed to ZZMT, so it might not be unbalanced at all.) vs. Robman, Zwiebel, Christophe. = 119 (AKA the mighty average team. Nothing special here; not likely to pull off 2 first places a week, not likely to get less than 1 first place finish a week. And even if they do, they won't have a weak link in the chain.) This poll will be up until the end of February 28th (EST). Votes after that will be considered final, and the teams will be official. Please send in your challenges now. You ARE allowed to skype/xat/AIM/YouTube/whatever with anyone in this competition. Looking forward to this. :) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - READ LAST POST/VOTE Post by Zwiebel on 02/25/11 at 13:32:11 I like my team, let's keep it that way 8-) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - READ LAST POST/VOTE Post by Mick on 02/25/11 at 13:50:02 I choose "Seed based" because "AF based" looks unbalanced to me. Having 2 of the 3 best players in my team makes it strong, even more when you say Andy is better than what his current rank suggests, and has the advantage of being the host of the comp (and thus making the challenges to his taste and knowing in advance many of them) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - READ LAST POST/VOTE Post by NStride on 02/25/11 at 13:54:02 4F696C796E45736F74752D1C0 wrote:
No, that is why everyone is sending in a submission, I'm labeling each one a number, throwing them in a hat, shaking it up, and we play the first three that I draw. So it's actually totally random. Not trying to change yours or anyone else's votes; just looked like I needed to clarify that. (Yes, that's 9 new challenges sent in a week. I won't play any of them before everyone else knows which ones we're playing.) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - READ LAST POST/VOTE Post by robman60 on 02/25/11 at 16:09:58 Quote:
Do we have to submit an idea? I'd be happy to just go with whatever is selected from the people who want to suggest a challenge. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - READ LAST POST/VOTE Post by NStride on 02/25/11 at 16:17:12 Yep that's fine. I guess it's optional, but I would still recommend it because you can create a challenge you could have an advantage in. Also, if nothing gets sent over here, I'll have to make them up myself and... that wouldn't be impartial on my part anymore. :P |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - READ RECENT POSTS/VOTE Post by NStride on 02/26/11 at 10:54:53 6 votes are in. I encourage the remaining 3 players in this comp to submit their votes. Also, humpy, please submit only 1 challenge, not 3. Can you resend your PM with 1 picked? Thanks. Also, missing |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - READ RECENT POSTS/VOTE Post by flo233 on 02/26/11 at 11:22:45 Keep the 3 challenges in tha case of some karters haven't any idea (like me :-[) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - READ RECENT POSTS/VOTE Post by thewebinator on 02/26/11 at 19:50:34 I'll think of something and post it tomorrow if that's all right. Not that familiar with the MKSC tracks so I'll have to check out what challenges I can make out of it. (MKW is much easier because i have all of the tracks memorized ;D) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - READ RECENT POSTS/VOTE Post by Zwiebel on 02/27/11 at 03:41:18 Too lazy to make a challenge up [smiley=ninja.gif] |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - READ RECENT POSTS/VOTE Post by NStride on 02/27/11 at 12:13:47 If you are in this competition and haven't voted in the poll yet, please do so soon. Also, missing quite a few challenges guys. Here are some ideas to perhaps get your creativity going...: - Cheese land: required to use Mario and you must hit 4 mice/rats a lap - BC3: not allowed to use drift - Rainbow Road, no shrooms allowed. ^ These are just ideas to give you a start. If you like one of them, feel free to submit it, I won't care. The game will start in 2 days. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - READ RECENT POSTS/VOTE Post by NStride on 03/01/11 at 13:07:53 Well, the voting time is up for the poll, and it ended in a dead 4 vs. 4 tie. Therefore, the game will run on the seed based system. You can contact your team members now when you see this and let them know the game has started. :) WEEK 1 CHALLENGES: 1: Mario Circuit 1 Sami's style Character : DK Drive 5 laps on RMC1 like you would do on Super Mario Kart non-NBT. Mini-turbos or shrooms are not allowed, but you may still use jumps and drifts. Pipe jumps are optional ::) 2: Sunset Wilds Zipper Fever Character : Any Do a fast lap in which you hit EVERY zipper on Sunset Wilds. All techniques/shrooms/whatever is allowed. 3: Ghostbusters Character: Any Drive three laps on Broken Pier, but clear all the ghosts except one. (IGNORE the ghost in the middle by the plank island; he's a bit hard to reach.) No lap skips/etc. Good luck competitors. If you have ANY questions, post them here. Also, see post one if you have any questions about players and teams. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by humpy92 on 03/01/11 at 23:38:02 sorry but can someone clarify which ghost we do not have to bust... the one at the start?? |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by Mick on 03/02/11 at 03:52:29 I guess he meant "plank bridge" as there aren't any ghost near the little island where you go on the flap, so I think it's indeed the very first ghost. Though I think all ghosts should be cleared, as none of them is stupidly hard... Don't make me redo this one again, please... |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by NStride on 03/02/11 at 04:09:15 1B3D382D3A11273B202179480 wrote:
Yes, there is one by the little island. If you don't believe me, go past it and turn around to look, or shroom and fall off the course just to the left of it. There is one there, lol. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by flo233 on 03/04/11 at 08:24:55 When is the deadline ? for challenge 2 there is 7+plus all these before the jump ? for challenge 3 there is 10 ghosts rigth ? |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by NStride on 03/04/11 at 08:44:51 The deadline is 11:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time on March 8th. Yes, all the zippers on SW. The 7 zippers, and the series of zippers leading to the jump. I'll check the number of ghosts again when I have access to my gameboy later today. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by Mick on 03/05/11 at 11:22:17 It may be a stupid question, but does each player has to do all the challenges, or does the team has to split the challenges between the different members (aka 1 challenge per player like in the MK64 or MKW team challenges) ? |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by NStride on 03/05/11 at 12:35:42 1 player takes 1 challenge each. You can't play all the challenges for your team. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by NStride on 03/08/11 at 11:07:41 The deadline is tonight! (9 hours from now) I have 3 submissions so far + mine = 4/9 Turning in a time at all will give your team a guaranteed 800 points. Not turning in anything at all will result in 750 points. (Point awards = winner's time / your time submission * 1000. i.e., winner's time = 100 seconds, your time = 110 seconds, your points: 100/110 *1000 = 909) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by NStride on 03/08/11 at 20:46:27 All players' submissions are in I think! I will have the results up tomorrow morning. :) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by NStride on 03/09/11 at 04:24:33 Week 1 Results Mario Circuit 1 Sami Style: Brett in 1'59"45 - Points: 159945 1st: Zwiebel in 52:13 - Points: 1000 2nd: robman60 in 52:85 - Points: 986 3rd: El Niņo in 53:13 - Points: 981 Sunset Wilds Zipper Fever: 1st: NStride in 26:23 - Points: 1000 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlMZOEm4bys) 2nd: V|K in 29:05 - Points: 903 3rd: humpy92 in 35:36 - Points: 800 Ghostbusters: 1st: Mick in 1:13.13 - Points: 1000 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2hDLw5RabE) 2nd: flo233 in 1:26.08 - Points: 850 3rd: thewebinator in 3:02.41 - Points: 800 Team Totals: Brett: 159945 Team Mick: 2884 Team NStride: 2786 Team flo233: 2650 Great week 1 guys! Lots of activity, and some good times turned in. The competition was tight on MC1, but in the end, Brett's 1'59"45 owned all efforts. He is way out in front of the competition at the moment. On SW, the competition was more spaced out. Not much else to say here, except the winner claims his run was Finally, we come to the BP competition. Mick submitted his time once, and in the end completely dominated. This competition in the end was what gave what I'm calling Team Mick for now the lead, congratulations! Please send in your week 2 challenge suggestions guys. Week 2 starts tomorrow afternoon! [smiley=beer.gif] |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by Zwiebel on 03/09/11 at 05:02:43 [smiley=lolk.gif] I won my Challange, I could have gotten sub as well, but I was too lazy to get it, I thought someone else would get it ;D I'll put up a video soon |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by humpy92 on 03/09/11 at 05:04:35 thanks for the update andy, so whats the go with the points, mainly mine and webs...? |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by Mick on 03/09/11 at 05:24:19 800 is the minimal number of points you can get with a time submission (an incentive for people to a least post a PR even if it's bad). Without this rule the other number would have been your score following the math formula. Wanna see Timur's run cos it beats my own time ;D (I only spend 10-15mn on it, but still) However I have a faster time for the SW challenge, for those who want to see it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVp0e6VcSPE |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by V|K on 03/09/11 at 07:01:52 Too bad Brett was beast in this challenges >:( or we would be no. 1. You should make a challenge in which we have to come as close as possible to 1'59"94(5) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by flo233 on 03/09/11 at 07:25:58 5B76686463646D010 wrote:
Good job I got a 51"90 i can upload if you want Oooops i don't think that points depend of the time and not only of the rankings |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by humpy92 on 03/09/11 at 14:11:39 ^thanks for the clarification mick |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by NStride on 03/09/11 at 14:20:47 6A773C0 wrote:
I was trying to think how this could possibly work, but what do you guys think of this idea? Lap 1, you must comply with the conditions of the challenge, but the lap must be as close to 1'59"94 as possible. Every hundredth of a second off that lap 1 total is a triple penalty added on to the total time at the end. (i.e., do a run in 180 seconds, lap 1 was 1'57"94. Your score equals 180 seconds + (3 * 2 seconds off) = 186 seconds). ::) Might be a bit aggravating lol |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by Zwiebel on 03/09/11 at 14:34:26 No, that challange is bullshit. ::) |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - GAME START Post by thewebinator on 03/09/11 at 17:52:01 haha mine was a one-try because I misplaced my DS. Found it though, so expect this week to be much better. ;D |
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Title: MKSC Team Challenge - WEEK 2 HAS STARTED Post by NStride on 03/10/11 at 13:38:04 Week two challenges: 1) Egg Hatcher Track : Lakeside Park Character : Yoshi Goal : Clear a fast lap hitting on the way all the 3 eggs that lay on the track. Requirements: - The challenge must be done on lap 1. - You cannot use the jump button (R) at all during the run. - In addition, you cannot take the SC near the end involving the bumper bording the water. You must go straight instead and use the intented road. (No jumping over walls whatsoever.) 2) KB1 CPU Route Track: RKB1 Character: Any Goal: Clear 5 laps around Retro Koopa Beach 1. Requirements: - You are not allowed to so much as touch the deep (dark blue) water. Any skip or bump whatsoever in a completed time will result in disqualification. - No shrooming allowed. 3 shrooms in the box by the time you pass over the finish line for the 6th time. 3) Hop Road Track: Rainbow Road Character: Toad Goal: Clear 3 laps around Rainbow Road Requirements: - Bounce on the white launchers that surrounds the road at least 100 times by the end of the 3 laps. - You are not allowed to hit a launcher while shrooming. (Sorry Hirano-strat wannabes) - Jumping off the normal ramps counts as a "hit" Good luck karters! PS: Clarifications. Abide by site non-SC rules in the competition. No lap skips, no ticking, and no other non-SC routes are allowed. Your submissions for these challenges will be due on a week from now, Thursday March 17th, at 11:00 PM Eastern Standard Time. Players are allowed to submit times for their teammates, if for some reason they have not PMed me. These challenges might be a bit obscure or otherwise challenging to understand. If you have any questions whatsoever, please PM me and I will also note the Q+A on the thread. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - WEEK 2 HAS STARTED Post by NStride on 03/17/11 at 16:33:25 I'm extending this a day due to the lack of PMs received. Don't let this die! :( |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - Extension Post by 159945 on 03/17/11 at 16:43:05 I won the challenge. |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - Extension Post by humpy92 on 03/19/11 at 14:15:42 Is anything happening here? |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - Extension Post by NStride on 03/19/11 at 17:44:31 Yeah.. guys I only have 5 submissions. I really don't want to move on to next week until I hear from more of you. :-/ |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - Extension Post by humpy92 on 03/19/11 at 23:20:16 ppl may have forgotten, do u want to send them a reminder via pm? |
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Title: Re: MKSC Team Challenge - Extension Post by humpy92 on 03/22/11 at 19:44:34 bump/ has this died, or has the mafia game affected activity levels? |
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