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https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl General >> Mafia >> Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1291575705 Message started by The Gaff on 12/05/10 at 11:01:45 |
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Title: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by The Gaff on 12/05/10 at 11:01:45 Hello to you all. I will update this topic tomorrow when the game begins. While I have a moment here is the final selection In no particularly order 1. 2. 3. Zarkov 5. 6. Moon man 7. Cutz22 8. thewebinator 9. 10. 11. Shock 12. RVZ 13. Thiradell There are 3 Mafia, 1 Scanner and 1 Doctor. I shall reveal 'town' or 'mafia' when kills take place but not roles. You should all have your roles by now ;) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread (Tom Hosting) Post by The Gaff on 12/06/10 at 02:22:03 It was a dark, damp evening on the 5th of December in London. Tom was out early in the morning walking his dog Benjy when they heard some strange noises in the woods... Benjy ran into the woods seemingly searching for something. The was a screaming howl and Tom ran in to find Benjy.. It was then Tom discovered the dismembered dog breathing its last breath. Moments later Tom was breathing his as he was also set on by an unknown beast... Today is Day 1. Day 1 will finish at this time on Wednesday (48hours). Day will finish when there is a majority vote, in the event of a tie it will be deeemed a no lynch. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread (Tom Hosting) Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 02:25:02 Hi. Got a sneaky feeling Moon Man is maf. Is he Tom? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 02:53:05 Glad to see the thread is opening earlier so I can see the posts while I was sleeping. Does it open at 5 EST then every morning? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 03:25:20 No, Tom obviously set it to start at 5:22:03 every morning. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 03:47:26 Brett knows too much. Brett |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by The Gaff on 12/06/10 at 03:56:45 485A5D56515E4B504D0E0B3F0 wrote:
its likely I can go a bit earlier. If no one minds if there is a 2hour window where it might be opened earlier than mid-day here. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 03:58:33 School, be back at around 3PM EST. Zarkov: Cunt. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 04:01:50 No, that would be padz. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/06/10 at 05:19:52 302C2B292537233C75440 wrote:
its likely I can go a bit earlier. If no one minds if there is a 2hour window where it might be opened earlier than mid-day here. [/quote] Works for me. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/06/10 at 06:00:54 Vote Moon man How can somebody who steals the moon not be mafia? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/06/10 at 07:30:55 Back from work. Vote Cutz22 Who are you anyway? [smiley=ninja.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Moon Man on 12/06/10 at 08:09:29 My only comment for Zarkov's and Ivootjes accusation is that pussy for Tom has devalued like the zimbabwe doller. That is all. I vote Tom due to the fact that where the fuck was he in London to find a forest."It was a dark, damp evening on the 5th of December in London. Tom was out early in the morning walking his dog Benjy when they heard some strange noises in the woods..." If they heard strange noises in the early morning (and the murder presumably in the morning as well), why the fuck mention the evening? He is quite clearly very inconsitant with his story, or who ever the fuck is saying the story. Mafia, much. VOTE GAFF |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/06/10 at 08:24:57 That seems to be some good reasons you are not mafia! Unvote, Vote RVZ I'm sorry rob, i'm just fairly sure you are mafia and i should eliminate you :-* Brett is also suspect, instantly swearing when he gets voted on! I point my finger of suspicion to you brett! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 08:38:04 I like Moon Mans thinking. Toms story as far fetched to say the least. He must be hiding something. unvote |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 09:35:31 Vote Zarkov Zarkov4 has mysteriously disappeared, and Zarkov was the last one to see him. Coincidence, or gruesome basement murder plot? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 10:00:17 He has departed on his quest to dipose the evil Honko7 from ruling Honkland. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/06/10 at 10:13:50 Web seems a little too casual about this serious business. Is this an underhanded way of saying that he's ready to get killing, or is he innocent? I am suspicious... |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 10:18:41 2D22283526203922282929224C0 wrote:
HUGE wolf lean on Shock for jumping on Web when he has done nothing wrong. Thats right, gonna get the old web/zark partnership going again. Leave him alone! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/06/10 at 10:51:00 I'd say that Shock is a bit overdoing, but it's his first game so it might just be his lack of experience. Still, small wolf lean on Shock from me as well. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/06/10 at 10:53:09 2A3631333F2D39266F5E0 wrote:
I'd like to hear something from those 4, btw. Haven't said a word yet. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Moon Man on 12/06/10 at 10:54:44 I'd give em a few hours, but i still would like a reason for their delay in posting. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 11:11:27 padz is busy training for his new job where he eats a lot of pizza. Next person to use the phrase "wolf lean" is getting lynched. This is mafia! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 11:27:47 Wolf lean on Hunko. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 11:32:49 Dead lean on Clork. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/06/10 at 11:48:30 Whee, day 1. I personally like Shock's post about web, there's not much to read yet but he's clearly got both eyes open, applies good pressure on a very safe web post. Villa lean on Shock and I want more from web, whenever he gets back. I think anyone who says he's overdoing it needs to try harder, this kind of thinking (be safe, don't call anybody out) is what gets a bunch of villas lynched at the start of the game. IMO wolf/villa/town/mafia are interchangeable when the host uses "werewolf" in the topic title and "mafia" in the first post. Not a big fan of Brett's posts either but nothing much had happened when he was posting. Not a fan of Zwiebel right now. A) He called out Shock for overdoing it but B) he wants everyone to post. So you want people to post to get things going but you don't want speculation on other people's posts? Weak. Hoping padz says more than "sup" on day 1 this time around (what he did in the Kart/Elite game that just finished), he won the game for the village eventually but didn't contribute much of anything early on. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/06/10 at 11:56:18 I'll be hanging around for another 45 minutes or so then I have to head out, I have classes and auditions tonight so I won't be back until later. Tuesday I should be here quite a bit. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 11:57:30 Id like to see you make that stick, honey. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 11:58:00 595B5454555459565B48513A0 wrote:
HUGE wolf lean on Shock for jumping on Web when he has done nothing wrong. Thats right, gonna get the old web/zark partnership going again. Leave him alone![/quote] Didn't even read the whole day yet, but I'm not touching this one. Learned my lesson last game ;D. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 11:59:46 1B27263D2E2B2A23234F0 wrote:
No one ever takes the first page of the first day of a mafia/werewolf game seriously, at least I never did. So on to a more serious note now. Cutz, Padz, and RVZ have yet to make a single post. I'm gonna place my vote on one of these three and remove once they make a "legit" post. Just to get everyone to start talking. I'm not gonna let anyone get a free pass by not talking all game. I'm gonna start via ABC order. Vote: Cutz22 |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 11:59:57 @ honko. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 12:01:42 Okay I was afraid that I missed something but I really didn't other than Day One BS. @Shock, I was just wondering when the time was starting since there was no official announcement (that I know of) and I was surprised to see it open when I woke up this morning. Anyway, I'll be around until at least 10PM EST. For now though, I'm going to get food. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 12:04:42 5F4D4A4146495C475A191C280 wrote:
HUGE wolf lean on Shock for jumping on Web when he has done nothing wrong. Thats right, gonna get the old web/zark partnership going again. Leave him alone![/quote] Didn't even read the whole day yet, but I'm not touching this one. Learned my lesson last game ;D.[/quote] How so? We were both town that game. You havent learned your lesson. Us townies need to stick together. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 12:08:27 Haha great, not the "I'm town" again. ::) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/06/10 at 12:15:05 172B2A312227262F2F430 wrote:
I don't see a contradiction here. So, I heard rumours about Zarkov4 being imprisoned, is that right? Honko7 told me. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 12:20:34 The Zarkov4 case was never closed, but all evidence points to Zarkov being the perpetrator. People voting/pressuring inactives a few hours into the game are pretty lol. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/06/10 at 12:23:19 First day is always a hard day to play good, we basicly don't know anything and are still going to lynch someone. Question is, who are we going to lynch? We could: 1: Lynch someone who's not active at all. Mafia often says less than townies, but there are always some people that don't talk the first day, or even the entire game. 2: Lynch someone who is generally confusing, those people are often mafia, or clueless townies. Fact is that clueless townies probably don't know anything in the entire game, and that they won't help at all. And it's the mafia's goal to be confusing, so the less confusing people, the better! 3: Lynch a newbie. Why not! :P 4: Use the powers that tom always uses for his predictions [smiley=lolk.gif] At least it will get people talking. 5: No-lynch. Not really the best way to gather information but we might have a great sherrif that finds the mafia quickly Options 3 and 4 aren't really serious. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 12:27:18 I like option 4 Ivo. Tom is one of the best mafia players here on kart, so to try and emulate his play is a really good idea. A "Tom hunch" is always better than a "everyone else hunch". Also, stop spreading propoganda about Zarkov4, Honko. I told you what he is upto. Nothing untoward has happened to him. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 12:30:22 The only benefit of Tom hosting is that Tom isn't playing. No beerguts allowed. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 12:30:31 Another thing, lets go for an f'ing non active today. Pretty much every game I play, one (or more) of the few inactives are maf. (Jimbo anyone?) Yeah we might lynch a townie, but the odds are much better of getting a scummer. And, as ivo said sort of, its better to be without useless/inactive players. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 12:30:43 @Ivo Safest option is to lynch a confusing person on day one imo, because if someone was doc or cop they would hopefully be smart enough not to make themselves not obvious. I would say someone who doesn't post, but I seriously doubt that will happen since there are only 13 people and all but two or three haven't posted. Cutz is probably still at school anyway. If one of the other two doesn't post, I say lynch but I doubt that either would be that stupid. But it's wayyyyyyyyyyy to early to start talking about who to lynch before any facts are down. D1 can get a lot of facts, the only real bs part is the first 15 posts or so. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 12:31:08 Zarkov is probably giving Zarkov4 a sneaky simba as we speak. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 12:32:20 547F786479160 wrote:
more like a sneaky raptor. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/06/10 at 12:36:59 38150B0700070E620 wrote:
Ouch. Back from school. ::) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 12:37:07 786A6D66616E7B607D3E3B0F0 wrote:
Not on this board. See El Nino, confusing doctor extraordinaire. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 12:40:40 Yeah but honestly I don't think anyone in this game would do that, El Nino isn't in this game. If there's an inactive I say lynch them, but I don't think it will happen. What else will we have to go on at that point if there isn't a slip? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/06/10 at 12:44:32 Since all-known Cutz appeared, I'll switch my vote. unvote Vote padz |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 12:45:09 There will definitely be a slip. Probably multiple slips from half the players in the game. The problem is sorting out which ones are mafia slips and which ones are just bad player slips. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 12:48:24 072A34383F38315D0 wrote:
Who the fuck is padz???? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/06/10 at 12:48:40 1538262A2D2A234F0 wrote:
<padz>i have solved the mafias |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 12:49:04 Lets lynch Mr Vote at Random aka Zwiebel. *awaiting Honko aka bad player slip* |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 12:50:40 Look at that slip by Zarkov. Obvscum if I ever saw one. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 12:53:41 Look at that slip by Honko. Obvtom if ever I saw one. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 12:55:51 Whoa whoa whoa, low blow fo sho bro. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 12:57:41 sup |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/06/10 at 12:59:57 lol 10lolz |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 13:00:13 cummiest post of the year |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/06/10 at 13:02:14 unvote /cast new random vote Simsalabim! Vote RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 13:03:08 cool im up for an rvz wagon vote RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 13:05:11 me too RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 13:08:48 I think we should give at least 24 hours before we start talking about inactivity. :-X |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 13:09:50 sounds like web and rvz are in-league |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/06/10 at 13:24:21 I had to work the whole fucking day, give me some slag guys 4A756C6C77696670030 wrote:
Dude!? Why me XD But you wouldn't want to lynch a good friend, and newbie at the game for no reason, I guess :-/ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/06/10 at 13:31:15 RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 13:32:52 unvote |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 13:33:38 RVZ is this your first maf game? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/06/10 at 13:34:12 Vote: Cutz22 And yes, webinator |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 13:35:13 fuck i pulled off too early |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/06/10 at 13:39:29 6344544F49404052210 wrote:
Explain :-/ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/06/10 at 13:41:35 This is funny. :D RVZ will be a vitor though so unvote. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 13:45:27 Forget what I said earlier about the whole lynching a confusing player, as RVZ is going to be hard as hell to read :P |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 13:47:56 73525C557A524F5952533D0 wrote:
vote RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/06/10 at 13:53:28 4A67797572757C100 wrote:
Explain :-/[/quote] Cuz the lack of contribution is so poor at this point from him, makes him as suspicious as me. Voting me like the rest brings me in a huge bad shape. He will survive the first day easily, the scum! I know what he's doing [smiley=happy.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 13:57:13 5F6E6B757A7F0F0 wrote:
That's what Clark said. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/06/10 at 14:01:36 Oh lol, just saw that cutz unvoted me. Makes my theory less more likely eheheh :D |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 14:02:57 honko, what are your thoughts on rvz? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/06/10 at 14:03:12 1A2B2E303F3A4A0 wrote:
vote RVZ[/quote] Why? Just wanna get it over with? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/06/10 at 14:03:59 Votecount? I'll unvote for now Did everybody say something already? :o |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/06/10 at 14:05:06 Why do you think you're suspicious, RVZ? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/06/10 at 14:06:08 Yeah, everyone said at least something in the game already. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 14:07:33 7544415F5055250 wrote:
No thoughts really. Countervote is lame but also almost guaranteed from a new player or even most vets here. What are your thoughts on third trimester abortion? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 14:08:17 0B26383433343D510 wrote:
Explain :-/[/quote] Also I think this is the funniest post of the game so far. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/06/10 at 14:09:30 Oh, to answer your question rob. I do lynch friends if they are mafia. I think zarkov is currently the most "diverse" poster, meaning he's flooded the topic with all kinds of bullshit and hasn't offered much information That's why i consider him the most mafia like. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 14:11:19 Good point Ivo. Christopher has been very unprofessional today. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/06/10 at 14:11:41 39140A0601060F630 wrote:
I base that on the amount of votes I recieved ;) But they're just some loose shots I know. You, on the other hand, asking too much questions. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 14:24:26 Ive flooded the thread with bullshit? That maybe true, but please include Honko and padz in that in future. It sounds to me that Ivo is trying to pin a townie with something. You weremaf you. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 14:24:56 unvote vote Honko |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 14:26:07 comedy padz is maf |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 14:31:04 This has to be the least serious mafia game I've ever seen. It's page four and still one in three posts is filler crap. Seriously, we need to get focused now that everyone is posting. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 14:33:05 Padz acts all nonchalent now, but towards the end of the game he will get nervous and aggressive. Best to get rid of him now. unvote padz |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 14:35:17 look who's talking! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 14:41:48 If we really want to get serious, this is the only scummy post in the game so far. 1A272A2D3A3C3E32480 wrote:
Pretty badly trying to look useful without contributing anything. Voting people who haven't posted once and promising to unvote as soon as they do post when the game is only 12 hours in is completely useless. Posts like these serve no purpose except to make you look active, which makes them instantly suspicious. RVZ wagon tells us very very little. And other than that nothing has really happened, which is why nobody's commenting on anything, which is why nothing is happening, etc. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 14:42:56 6E7C7B7077786D766B282D190 wrote:
Its the kart board were talking about here. You just have to look at whose playing. We have Honko and I, the two most witty posters on the mb. Robert Van Memegenerator. Padz and his cunt fetish. Zwiebel and his Fuhrer worshipping ways. Web and his fellow mkwii kiddies Shock and Brett. Moon Man, whose posts are frankly from The Moon. MVT22, and an eliter who thinks the Sun shines outta his japs eye. It was never gonna be 100% serious. Also, the day is 48 hours long so were just extending the BS period. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 14:45:36 393B3434353439363B28315A0 wrote:
More like Honko, the wittiest poster on the mb, and Zarkov, his dim-witted apprentice. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/06/10 at 14:54:37 Who says filler crap is useless? People will always ask differently when they are mafia. And focussed on what? finding mafia? First day i just try to survive and lynch a useless and confusing person. Who's in your eyes the most mafiosolike person webinator? We used to have mafia statistics pages with stats about how often people would post and the current vote count. Is that going to be up again? After day one, i take a bath [smiley=bath.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/06/10 at 14:55:45 wanted to quote the webinator in that post above but failed -_- i guess editting posts is not allowed. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 15:00:41 For me right now it's pretty much a shot in the dark. Zarkov seems to be the most useless, but he's always like that in every game so I'm not going to instantly suspect him without saying anything. Brett and Shock made one or two posts that gave hard accusations in the beginning and both disappeared afterward, so I'd probably say they're the most scumish right now. Neither have returned and both are EST, which means it's not too late for them and they should be around now. The others haven't posted enough to give me anything else right now, because it is D1. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by The Gaff on 12/06/10 at 15:33:54 Vote Totals so far (sorry for any delay, expect these to be slightly later due to time difference, if anyone else wants to do them mid game thats fine). Moon Man: (Ivootjes) Cuts22 (2): (Zweibel), Brett, RVZ RVZ (1): (Ivootjes), Zweibel, (Padz), (Zarkov), (Cuts22), (Padz) Zarkov (1): Honko Padz (1): (Zweibel), Zarkov Honko (1): Padz |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/06/10 at 15:35:36 5042454E49465348551613270 wrote:
Yeah... School calls, but I'm back. I posted what I posted to see how you'd react Web, and now my eyes are no longer on you. (No homo). I guess it wasn't a good idea though since accusations started piling on me! ;D Reading all the posts up to now, and I have no idea who's mafia. A shot in the dark. I don't like taking shots in the dark, so no vote from me yet. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/06/10 at 15:41:56 70727D7D7C7D707F726178130 wrote:
At least i offered ideas for day one. And my idea was to lynch the most confusing player Quote:
HA! And padz seems to be helpful sometimes, though this could also make him more dangerous if he's mafia |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/06/10 at 15:42:53 omg, i keep making stupid mistakes Vote Zarkov |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 15:51:15 Out of all the players in this game that I've played with, padz and Zarkov are the hardest to read since their posts look trolly in the beginning before they act normal. I'd be willing to lynch one or the other at the EOD if the game keeps up the way it's going now, but there is still a lot of time left since it's only a quarter of the way done. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/06/10 at 15:56:29 Since I'll go to sleep now, I think I could at least tell you some thought about some players: Web: Seems to play really carefully, especially in the beginning where he just avoided getting involved in anything. Has not voted yet, accordingly to that. I think he could contribute a bit more, slight Mafia lean. Ivo: Was a really useful player in the last Mafia game I played and has good ideas, playing similiar to last time. Town lean. Shock: Hasn't made that much posts either, when I joined Zarkov to attack him, he stayed calm and his arguments make sense. Town lean. Zarkov, Honko: No idea, tbh... RVZ: I still have some doubts about RVZ, he played strange, even for a first player. He didn't panick though when he saw that he had many votes himself, but did that countervote to padz. I'd keep an eye on him. Just my thoughts though and since it's D1 I could be all wrong anyway. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/06/10 at 16:00:45 unvote Forgot that, I'll decide my vote tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 16:01:48 Meh, It 3 was out for the last 3 hours, no I haven't forgotten about the game. Not sure about a whole lot so far but Web is either clueless town or mafia. inb4heisboth Unvote Sup padz. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 16:02:12 273532393E31243F226164500 wrote:
hahahaha no. We're not lynching Clark or padz on day 1. Period. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 16:02:38 Sorry if it seemed that way Zwiebel. I figured it wasn't worth throwing another vote on Zarkov since he's already being voted for, and he never really contributes much anyway as opposed to padz, who is trolly in the beginning but can be a double-edged sword. One thing I don't get about your post is the comment over Shock. The whole "He stayed calm and his arguments make sense" part specifically. If you read Shock's posts, they really say nothing other than looking at my first post and "I'm not willing to take a shot in the dark". Weird how you're taking a town lean on him too when he hasn't said much. Makes me a little suspicious. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 16:05:56 Ignore the random t3 in the first sentence. It was supposed to read "I was out for the last 3 hours." |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 16:07:55 lol Web. So only being slightly trolly is worthy of a lynch, yet if youre Goose its allowed? Such great logic! Cant believe youre suggesting a lynch on the info we already have. 95% of it has been sillyness/BS so far so just saying "yeah lynch padz or zarkov, im happy with that" is suspcious. You know games start dumb on day 1 and move into more constructive posting later in the day, so what youve said is odd. Though its not enough to form a concrete opinion yet. As Honko said, once people start making serious reasoning, then you will have stuff to go on. The above post of Zwiebel is total fluff. People love these lists, but what he has said in it amounts to nothing. Web: Seems to play really carefully, especially in the beginning where he just avoided getting involved in anything. Has not voted yet, accordingly to that. I think he could contribute a bit more, slight Mafia lean. Nice logic there dude. Note voting means theyre maf? He has been one of the most serious ones yet he has to contribute more? What on earth. Youre trying to make yourself look active with fluff. In other news, Zarkov4 has said from the road that he is alive and well and masturbating on an hourly basis. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 16:10:06 I really just want the real game to start, so I'm trying to move it along by basing my posts on opinions from past games rather than this one since it hasn't started up yet. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/06/10 at 16:12:02 Ha, suspicious about suspicions on suspiciousness. I'm not posting very much because this is my first game and I'm focusing more on learning from others and less on expressing my thoughts. I have learned that not posting = mafia lean, so post I shall. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 16:16:22 Not posting technically gives you about a 75% chance of being town, this happened in DK Mafia with one person being silenced all game and ending up being a town vigilante. Mafia are usually the people that make one post here and there. They're usually not the ones that stay 100% silent. I'm just going on past experiences, when I was a mafia I was very afraid to post and while I did post, I kept repeating things others had said, it led to me getting lynched early. Gonna make a Web analysis in a minute (depends on how long I get it typed up). |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 16:16:52 Definitely keep posting. The more everyone posts, the better. Honko7 has informed me that Zarkov4 has been captured and sold into sexual slavery. More news as the story develops. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 16:17:07 123F212D2A2D24480 wrote:
Zwiebel I'm curious what you wanted to achieve with this post. Nothing was in it and it just seems like your analysis is backwards and has no support on it whatsoever. You were so confused as to why I didn't vote, so I guess I'll prove you wrong here. Vote : Zwiebel I know you just went to sleep, but I want an explanation of this post when you get back on. It tags you as scummy within the first five pages. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 16:19:49 3F2D2A2126293C273A797C480 wrote:
it has started basing shit on past games is retarded, scum just acts the exact same way next game and gets a clear pass. same shit happened w/ elite w/ 'oh well goose is always a cunt so hes probably town' |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/06/10 at 16:19:54 Web: no fun allowed |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 16:20:34 2728223F2C2A332822232328460 wrote:
why didnt you just watch instead then? 2728223F2C2A332822232328460 wrote:
brett send you an angry pm? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 16:22:52 7F54534F523D0 wrote:
Slavery? He loves anything sexual. Im sure he is enjoying it. Unless he is being forced into sneaky raptoring everyone. He doesnt like that. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 16:23:50 He is the raptor. He receives sneaky raptors from actual sneaky raptors. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/06/10 at 16:25:57 lol padz getting angry at first timer. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 16:27:42 lol clark defending useless scummate. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/06/10 at 16:30:39 To answer your questions, padz, posting early and in a similar manner to others seemed logical. And yes, I am getting numerous PMs from Brett. They all read "1:59:945" though. Not quite sure what he's trying to say. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 16:38:14 6C63697467617863696868630D0 wrote:
thats not what i was asking at all |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 16:43:37 List posts are generally terrible but Zwiebel's wasn't completely bad until we get to the end 466B75797E79701C0 wrote:
which completely nullifies everything he said. Wishy-washy bullshit like that handicaps town early on every game I host. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 16:47:32 6577707B7C73667D602326120 wrote:
Legit post I suppose, seems to be just asking a question and it was one of the earliest posts in the game, so I can't say anything about this one. 293B3C37303F2A312C6F6A5E0 wrote:
HUGE wolf lean on Shock for jumping on Web when he has done nothing wrong. Thats right, gonna get the old web/zark partnership going again. Leave him alone![/quote] Didn't even read the whole day yet, but I'm not touching this one. Learned my lesson last game ;D.[/quote] ADMITS he didn't read the day yet, then says he doesn't want to form any pairs with people, especially a Web/Clark pairing. Stating the obvious. 677572797E71647F622124100 wrote:
Just him saying he's gonna get food, could be an excuse, but IDK. He did make that post at 3 PM though so it could be legit. 495B5C57505F4A514C0F0A3E0 wrote:
Useless post. 2133343F38372239246762560 wrote:
Tries to tell Ivo what the safest option is (LMFAO), then maybe this part is a slip, he says that if someone was a doc or cop hopefully they would be smart enough NOT to make themselves NOT obvious. In other words, he is basically saying that hopefully they are smart enough to make themselves obvious. Would a townie make this statement? Also, it's never too early to start talking about who to lynch. Why the fuck would a townie say this? 6173747F78776279642722160 wrote:
CONTRADICTION! Now he says to lynch an inactive player despite saying the best bet was to lynch a confusing person. 4C5E5952555A4F54490A0F3B0 wrote:
30 minutes earlier he made 2 posts about inactive players... I think it's always a good idea to get people to talk, true, there is a 75% chance of being town I guess, but either we hit a 1/4 chance of mafia or we hit a townie that didn't do shit all game. Also in this post he clearly pairs himself up with RVZ, which is another contradiction because he said earlier that he wants to avoid pairing with Zarkov. So then he makes a post in the middle of an RVZ bandwagon to say that lynching him is a bad idea? As if anyone would be dumb enough to let a vote get to a majority this early in the game as everyone in that bandwagon looks suspicious as fuck. I think Web shoulda just kept his mouth shut here. 3220272C2B24312A377471450 wrote:
Nothing to say here. 293B3C37303F2A312C6F6A5E0 wrote:
First time players are usually very easy to read as most of the time they either play a bad town game or are a super obvious mafia. 495B5C57505F4A514C0F0A3E0 wrote:
Lol. Just...lol. Nothing more to describe this. Down to under 300 characters. CONTINUED IN NEXT POST |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 16:48:23 CONTINUED FROM LAST POST 6371767D7A75607B662520140 wrote:
Claims Shock and I have to keep monitoring this thread, also claims our posts had hard accusations despite them being either joke posts or votes to get people to talk, which if that is a hard accusation then IDK what an easy accusation is. Says Clark is the most useless but then claims we should let him slide because he does this all the time. Is this the same guy that earlier said he didn't want ANYTHING to do with Clark??? 5A484F44434C59425F1C192D0 wrote:
Padz usually ends up being one of the biggest assets if he is town. It's stupid to even think of lynching him D1 unless you have a damn good reason to believe he's mafia, but then he says he is willing to lynch Clark despite saying in his previous post that we shouldn't instantly suspect him! How many contradictions can Web make? 584A4D46414E5B405D1E1B2F0 wrote:
Bolded part is important. Yet another contradiction from Web by saying that Padz can be a double edged sword yet would potentially lynch him D1. Nothing to say as for the rest of the post, something about that wording kinda bugs me but I can't figure out what. Guess now Web has suspicions on Zweib. 6371767D7A75607B662520140 wrote:
Translation: Yeah, I'm totally moving the game along by posting contradictions this whole game hoping that nobody can pick up on them. 1406010A0D02170C115257630 wrote:
Zwiebel I'm curious what you wanted to achieve with this post. Nothing was in it and it just seems like your analysis is backwards and has no support on it whatsoever. You were so confused as to why I didn't vote, so I guess I'll prove you wrong here. Vote : Zwiebel I know you just went to sleep, but I want an explanation of this post when you get back on. It tags you as scummy within the first five pages.[/quote] Now he votes Zwiebel to prove a point. Really Web? REALLY? (I removed the bolded tags from his vote so that it doesn't get mistaken with me voting Zweibel.) Web is either a completely lost townie or he's a really obvious mafia. I just can't tell which. Vote: Web. Care to explain all these contradictions? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 16:49:23 Sorry, page fail. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/06/10 at 16:50:21 "why didn't you just watch instead then?" I want to be an active player in the game. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 17:02:54 haha wow, just wow. Surprised with the straight up attack on me right here, but I can explain. If you were watching last game, making a post "defending" the townie Zarkov against the mafia Goose while I was town got a bunch of people on me right away. That post was a joke post if you couldn't pick up on it though, due to that fact that I was admitting it screwed me over last game. The post at Ivo was just a grammar fail, when I was typing I didn't really read over it that well so the double negative was an accident. Otherwise, I don't really see my contradictions other than throwing votes around on people. By the point of the RVZ vote I was just getting annoyed with all the filler going on. Again if you take into account that I'm not actually that stupid to think that people would majority lynch someone for not talking in the beginning of the day then it makes sense, but otherwise I'm kind of confused by your post. Overall I'd just have to say it amounts to having the frustration of trying to start some talking in the town and having random posts as a response. I'm voting Zwiebel as his post was the first "legit" post in the game that seemed really off, as I've already explained and others have said the same. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 17:05:44 584A4D46414E5B405D1E1B2F0 wrote:
Sorry about this, grammar fail again. It happens when I type really long sentences, I'm kind bad at run-ons. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 17:10:21 How can you not see your contradictions? I pointed them straight out against you. For example, in one post you say you wouldn't mind voting either Padz or Clark at the EOD but in the next post you say Padz gets to be very useful D2, so why lynch his ass on D1 unless you are almost 100% sure he's mafia? And another time you were talking about inactivity but then 30 minutes later said it's too early to talk about inactivity. And if you were that dead set on the fact that RVZ wasn't gonna be bandwagon lynched at that stage in the game why post in the middle of it telling everyone to stop? I kinda figured that part earlier was a grammar fail but I wasn't sure so I pointed it out anyway in case it really was a slip. You also said Clark was useless but that he's always useless so lets keep him around. But you also said we should out either Clark or Padz tonight. Need I go on? Read my post again, I'm not restating everything again as those two posts took around 30 minutes to type up and prepare. Not convinced you are a townie. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 17:19:15 Sorry that I'm coming off as a little contradictory so far. I try to post the things that come to my mind right away since it's a fast paced game. My opinions are constantly changing throughout D1 as there is little information and I'm trying to get as much out of it as I can. I said you and Shock need to post since you were inactive, but I didn't vote for you, I just stated it looked kinda odd since you accused and then left. I already addressed why I made the RVZ post, I'll state it again for you : joke votes or not it was a vote and I wasn't ready to lynch someone because of inactivity since it was too early to do so. I supported an inactive lynch if it was at the end of the day,which is obviously not the case. The padz and Clark related posts were based on instant reactions to their beginning posts. I was annoyed at the posting in the beginning, and Honko could have been lumped in there but I've never played with him so I didn't want to comment until I saw him play more. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/06/10 at 17:46:09 Some interesting stuff has started, but i won't react on most of it until tomorrow, going to sleep now, but don't have much to do anyway tomorrow, so i'll be sure to become part of the fun :D |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 18:28:15 757A706D7E78617A7071717A140 wrote:
:-? thats a quick turnaround from 'this is my first game im not supposed to post im only posting right now because ivo told me to' i was asking why you bothered joining the game in the first place if you didnt even want to post |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 18:37:05 427B616673797760120 wrote:
likewise |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 18:48:58 I'd like to hear some from Moon Man, Third, and Cutz. Especially Cutz as he's been on the forums and hasn't really said anything in the game so far. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/06/10 at 18:49:57 Forgot to put this in my last post. I'm off for tonight, have to start my homework and don't need mafia distracting me. I'll be back on at 5:30AMish EST to comment on the night posting if there is any. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/06/10 at 18:59:05 5A6B6E707F7A0A0 wrote:
:-? thats a quick turnaround from 'this is my first game im not supposed to post im only posting right now because ivo told me to' i was asking why you bothered joining the game in the first place if you didnt even want to post[/quote] I can understand why you'd infer that, and I wanted to avoid this, but it looks like I need to explain my thought processes. Premise: Everyone in the game wants to avoid being lynched or being killed by the werewolves/mafia. If I am playing, I don't want to be lynched/killed. Therefore, since I am playing, I will take steps to avoid being lynched/killed. My original plan: First time playing, therefore watch more than post. Not exclusively watch; like you said, that defeats the purpose of playing. Watch first few moves, imitate. Do not want to stand out. Continue observing, and inserting posts where they are necessary/make sense. My first post happened to be aggressive, so now my best plan of action was changed from its original path. Now, I need to adequately and logically defend myself from speculation rather than simply observe the posts. This post is a logical defense, and is a necessary reply, so I am posting it. To beat around the bush of my thoughts further would be to appear self contradictory and worthy of suspicion. Once the speculation dies down, I plan to return to my original plan. This is to my mind the best course of action for a new player, therefore I will follow it. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 19:16:26 7D425B5B405E5147340 wrote:
ivo / web / rvz scum trio y/n |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 19:26:02 ^Wow I was just about to say something along those lines. I think Web and RVZ are mafia, and the third maf could be either Ivo or Clark. I still think Web is the most likely suspect though, but there's a lot of people that haven't really posted that much throughout the day and not recently at all. Lemme go back and check. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 19:33:43 Just double checked, both Moon Man and Thiradell have only posted twice, and all 4 of their combined posts were in the first 30 posts or so. Ivo's post just doesn't sound right either, although again I can't pinpoint exactly what it is. Oh well 2/3 mafia on the first day isn't bad. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/06/10 at 19:47:31 774A47405751535F250 wrote:
well thats troubling |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/06/10 at 19:52:02 ^lol Also, there's no reason to suspect RVZ for maf. He hasn't acted any different from how I'd expect him to, especially considering his first time. Definitely would be be a vitor/drag type. Web seems maf again, but then again he's acting the same exact way as last game, and he turned villa. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 20:01:52 Web obviously is linked to RVZ somehow, considering he comes in right as 4 useless votes pop up on RVZ and says that lynching an inactive player this early into the day is bad, and right afterwards RVZ posts saying he was at work all day. It's very possible Web could have told RVZ to hurry up and make any type of post just to get the votes off of him. It's not so much that RVZ has done a crapload wrong, it's just that Web contradicts himself in like 60% of his posts and he seems to be the most likely mafia at the moment. So if we lynched Web and he ends up flipping mafia then it doesn't help RVZ look any more innocent. If Web flips up town then we got rid of someone that has been kinda useless and wishy washy with his posts all day. I know it's only Day 1, but someone has to get lynched and ATM I think Web is the best choice. I'll go back and analyze RVZ's posts if you want Cutz. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 21:11:39 I like to see effort Brett but you're trying too hard. For such a long attack on Web there was only one thing really worth mentioning: the part about voting off padz and Clark (which was pretty bad). Other than that his "contradictions" were mostly obvious typos. Focusing so hard on something like an extra "not" in a sentence is not helpful. We're looking for mafia slips, not grammatical errors. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 21:28:21 030C061B080E170C0607070C620 wrote:
Trying to not stand out is only good play if you're scum (or a power role, sometimes). If you're town, you shouldn't be worried about how you look, at all. You should be focused on finding scum, and post every relevant observation you have, even if it makes you a target. Trying to predict who the mafia is going to kill and play around it is 1) nearly impossible and 2) selfish. You're depriving town of info and analysis to try to stay alive so you can...do what? Staying alive on its own doesn't help town, since the mafia will just kill someone else instead. We still end up one man down. I always advocate playing as well as you can, even if it gets you killed. And to do that, you need to post your thoughts, not someone else's, and do it without fear of what's going to happen to you. You might mess up occasionally, maybe say something that really does make you look bad. You learn from it. That's how you become a better player. It's day 1 of your first game so right now I don't make much of it yet, but if you're scum trying to get away with hiding in the shadows it's not going to fly. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/06/10 at 21:33:57 I was super busy today, had to finish a 12-page paper and I still have to write a 3-page paper before 11:00 AM. I also had auditions for the shows at my college next semester, and I helped quite a few people with math homework. I'll catch up tomorrow, I just seriously haven't been able to yet. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 21:52:07 745F584459360 wrote:
What about the Web RVZ scenario? You don't think that was pretty bad as well? And I already mentioned in a later post that I wasn't sure if it was a typo or not. Maybe I am trying too hard, but I'm trying to find out if he's mafia, and as of right now I think he very well could be. As for Shock, I know it sounds rather mafiaish with that post but I truly think he is being sincere with that post, I really think that is his strategy to use as a townie, because that's something I would do when I was a first time player. Could he be mafia? Yeah, but I have a town lean on Shock. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/06/10 at 22:35:23 I see what you're saying about him defending RVZ but I didn't even notice it at the time and don't really think it's much to go on after rereading. There's nothing scummy about saying a bandwagon like that isn't a good idea, especially since Web has been consistent in saying he wants things to get serious. It could be worth noting if there are further connections between them in the future though, I'll give you that. And saying he'd like to vote out padz and Zarkov day 1 just because he was "annoyed" about them joking around early on is still probably the worst thing that's been said so far. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/06/10 at 22:49:51 Ok, I was waiting for your reply, glad to hear it. At first you thought one of my posts about getting inactives to talk was the only scummy post in the game which didn't make that much sense. However, I do agree that Web's posts have been awfully suspect the whole time. He claims to want things to get serious, which I don't mind him saying, the only problem now is that Web is probably going to deliberately go out of his way to avoid any further connections with RVZ, which would almost guarantee they both are mafia. I'm off to bed now, I'll be back in around 5 hours but I kinda doubt there will be any more new posts in the game. Just one last thing, I think someone should keep an eye on Moon Man as well, he made 2 posts all game and both were on page 1. One of which was completely not serious as he voted for Tom (which was on the first page of D1 but it's still 50% of his post count), and the other was him saying that we should give inactives a few more hours to talk. I'll be looking for Thiradell to start participating more now though like he said he would be. Night guys. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Moon Man on 12/06/10 at 23:34:08 Just so you guys dont think im mafia for being so inactive for no reason, i will be back in 8 Hours due to MOAR exams. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 00:00:54 Ugh Shock. The goal of the game is not to avoid getting lynched, it's to win! Better to make a post that calls people out and puts eyes on you than to stay quiet, not contribute at all, and be one of the three villagers left when there's also three wolves left. I still like your first post (no need to back off that so quickly) and I understand you want to defend yourself, but just remember that your goal is for town to win, not for you to survive (if he's town, Shock could be either at this point, don't really have a lean on him). Really didn't like Zwiebel's play for awhile. padz's "sup" was enough to make Zwieb switch to the last inactive, and when that inactive posted he unvoted. This doesn't accomplish much. He gave Shock a town lean for not much of a reason. That being said I guess he could just be trying to get things going. I was gonna put a vote on Zwieb but changed my mind, for now. Waiting to hear more from him. Cutz could try harder to wolfhunt. His behavior right now is exactly the same as in our last game, where I ended up guessing he was the serial killer on day 3 (he was villa). Guess I'm neutral on him right now. Brett's post on web was a bit over-the-top but what's clear is that web is making a bunch of inconclusive posts that don't go anywhere and basically say he's not sure about anything. Not sure what he finds scummy in Zwieb's post, Zwieb won't be able to say anything that satisfies web at this point because it's day 1 speculation; of course his thoughts will be unsubstantiated and pretty weak. web said "nothing was in it and your analysis is backwards and has no support"; this summarizes most of your posts, bud. I agree with Brett and would be fine with lynching web because he does seem connected to RVZ. Which brings me to RVZ. Guy has posted nothing useful, worse than Shock in terms of defending himself without helping the town. Voted for cutz for a lame reason which he immediately reneged on, and promptly disappeared. I'll be waiting, Moon Man. I'd like a reason for YOUR delay in posting (exams, I know, just wanted to turn this quote on you). Zarkov, Honko, Brett and Ivootjes (to a lesser extent) have offered some pretty solid analysis while also keeping people talking. padz is doing more than in the last game despite two words per post. Guess padz hopped on web/RVZ for the reason Brett mentioned. I could buy web/RVZ at this point, doesn't seem to be a better option for day 1 as these guys haven't contributed much of anything anyway. Cutz could try harder to wolfhunt, though right now he's posting exactly the same way he did in the previous game. Mafia leans on web/RVZ. Slight mafia leans on Zwieb. Town leans on Zarkov, Honko and Brett. Slight town leans on padz and Brett. Neutral on Shock/Ivootjes/Moon Man/Cutz. Vote RVZ Gonna try to hang around and interact more tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 00:04:20 Hmm, two Cutz paragraphs. Sleep. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 00:45:50 152928332025242D2D410 wrote:
comedy third is maf |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 01:06:20 Good point on cutz though. He's got some experience under his belt now, and I know he's got the kind of brain for this game, so him just sitting back with idle chit chat so far doesn't sit well with me. In fact, his only post with any actual content so far is this: 4E6F6168476F72646F6E000 wrote:
IIRC last game vitor and drag were both guys who looked like scum and turned out to just be scummy town. So cutz' only opinion so far is RVZ is "definitely" scummy town, and Web seems mafia but is probably town. That's pretty weak. Weaker than Clark's pelvic thrusts, even. Unvote Vote cutz |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 01:08:22 7E55524E533C0 wrote:
comedy third is maf[/quote] Hah come on man. People disregard Honko and his rails on me, he is just jealous that ive moved onto other men. Staying with Honko (not in bed), he is one of, if not the best player in this game, so be careful of him. He will always come off as townie and will rarely make a slip. So dont let him slip under your radar. People are most likely gonna jump on this, but its best that its known. Im not in cahoots with him, or trying to distance myself from him so dont claim that as a reason im maf. I think all the abuse on Web is unfounded tbh. As people have said, he is playing like he did last game when he flipped town. Brett is trying to get something which I havent seen. (Apart from a few contradictions which everyone does at some point. Hard to remember everything you post) Way over the top. But, he could be onto something seen as Web pretty much ignored all of it. Maybe thats just because "oh, so much to defend against" or he just doesnt want to slip up by responding. RVZ is RVZ. He is prolly out doing the latest narcotic. Nothing he has done has been anything but brand new inexperience, in that he could be anything. Until he starts talking more, cant really get much out of him. I do think he is this games Jimbo though. So if he carries on the way he is going, possible lynch for sure. Shocks gameplan post was a bit odd. To start with he didnt need to defend himself, there was barely any heat on him. Secondly, 'not standing out' is like the mafs motto or something. If youre town non power role, its best to stand out. Go after people to get them to talk, being loud etc. Just trying to hide in a game like this might work for 1 day, but people will clock on fast that youre just going with the flow. If he wasnt a new player and he made that post, it wouldve been a big wolf lean. But seen as he is a first time player, il put it mainly down to him being new. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 01:16:50 7D56514D503F0 wrote:
Didnt say that at the time honey. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 01:30:11 Solid analysis there Clark. If only you'd been that solid as a lover. Any actual suspects or are you gonna leave your vote on the cunt all day? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 01:34:40 Not as yet, so il unvote for now. Well maybe RVZ. He just smacks of "new player with power role. wtf do I do?" unvote |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by The Gaff on 12/07/10 at 02:17:26 Cuts22 (2): (Zweibel), (Brett), RVZ, Honko RVZ (1): (Ivootjes), (Zweibel), (Padz), (Zarkov), (Cuts22), (Padz), Thiradell Zarkov (1): (Honko), Ivootjes Honko (1): Padz Zweibel (1): Webinator Webinator (1): Brett Moon Man: (Ivootjes) Padz: (Zweibel), (Zarkov) Just over 24hours left of Day 1. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 02:44:17 Looks like there's pretty much no one on now, and I'll just say this: Sorry for the contradictions in the beginning of the game, they were honest mistakes, but Zwiebel is my biggest maf lean still due to that post that stated facts that didn't happen in the game. Shock, you might be passing on the new player card for now, but honestly your post there threw a heck of a lot of doubt onto yourself. No one in the game should just try and sit back and imitate, echoing and such is what gets people lynched. Sorry I don't have a lot of time to comment, I"ll be back at 2:45-3:00PMish. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 03:58:13 Ok so Third just made a decent analysis, I can live with it. As for Shock, I understand where all of you guys are coming from with your suspicions, but I just don't see a first time player of the game making a post like that if he was a mafia. It absolutely screams sincerity for me. Honko and Third have good points on Cutz though, I'll look into this later when I get back from school, but I will say that none of his posts have really stuck out in my mind yet so I can't make a lean on him. RVZ has posted a few times but it kinda looks like a staged convo with Web for me anyway. Maybe he's going to use work as an excuse again today but if you weren't gonna participate why sign up? Still leaving my vote on Web as I think he's the most suspicious, wouldn't mind voting RVZ if that is the general consensus though, he really isn't much better. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 04:07:07 4C717C7B6C6A68641E0 wrote:
Read the whole topic and senced some paranoia from your side. A totally innocent slip from Web made you connect us 2 being mafia. In your reasoning now, If Web avoids contact with me, us 2 are maf. If he does contact with me, we're maf. Guess we are doomed :D Guess by bringing this up again makes me suspicious 8-) 2 Thiradell quotes Quote:
Zwiebel at first was aggressive and asking a lot of stupid and reckless questions. When someone was goin on him a little he instantly backed of, insecure. Could be scum def. Quote:
I worked for 14 hours yesterday. Be happy I still took some effort to post. I also could've went like "He, ya know what? I don't give a fuck!" 152825223533313D470 wrote:
No, I won't. Got a well deserved day off! Things got a lot more interesting at this point. I'll still voting for Cutz22 at this point cuz I feel there's something wrong about him. And also Zwiebel is high on my list |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 04:15:48 This day off doesn't mean I will be here all day btw :D |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 05:54:29 Just a quick note, as i guess a lot of people won't notice: There are 12 people in this game. When i looked at the list i thought it were 13 people, but it seems that player 4 is missing. Means we are with an even number as of now, also means we can only make 2! mislynches instead of 3. If we random lynch today and also fail tomorrow we're basicly at lynch or lose for the rest of the game. Only good thing is that if our doctor makes a good save we're instantly to 3 mislynches. If our doctor dies early without saving anyone we could always go one day for no lynch. After that we'll still be on the same amount of possible mislynches. Anyway, this is really more reason to play carefully. And now it's time for me to read the posts made while i was asleep. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 06:17:27 unvote |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 06:38:15 1. Zwiebel Only said he thinks thewebinator is mafia. His style isn't liked by several players, but really none called him mafia yet. I think he could very well be because of his low contribution, high fluff stuff. 2. Ivootjes town. 3. Zarkov Likes the idea of voting out an inactive player. But prefers to lynch a random voter (zwiebel) after that. Has had a lot of slowchat with with honko but i guess this doesn't say much as it would have happened anyway. Starts getting more serious somewhere at page 4, saying zwiebel only posts fluff and accuses people of not posting usefull information while they do according to zarkov. He's antizwiebel for sure. Really solid post about web and brett. I lean towards town for now, but zarkov, as no other, can act however he wants on the internet, without being seen as mafia. 5. Brett Already starts out with saying he'll vote for people that he'll remove once they make a post. Kinda strange as I only vote for people i think are more likely to be mafia. Gets better after that, making a huge anti theweb post, with basicly anything he doesn't like about theweb. I Don't really know what this says about theweb, but normally people who go nuts are town. So i lean towards town. Does say we shouldn't lynch padz. But i can't really tell why. Says my post doesn't sound right, but i can't really defend myself if he doesn't specify what i'm not doing correct? 6. Moon man I have no notes on him. Says he got exams. I expect him to post more soon or we could better get rid of him 7. Cutz22 Lean towards mafia, didn't add anything constructive. Or at least i didn't have a single not as of finishing this. 8. thewebinator Says he prefers to lynch a confusing player instead of an inactive. After that complained that there were too little serious posts. Has posted a lot but not said much. Seems like he's a townie just trying to get things started. 9. Honko Already said we're not lynching clark or padz on day one. (reply 105) I really think this is a mafialike thing to say. Doesn't really matter whether clark or padz are mafia, it just gives me the feeling that he can decide who's going to stay in the game and who's not. Honko, just like zarkov, seems to not like zwiebel. Honko does know how to play mafia though, so we could keep him for now. 10. padz Did not really contribute much yet. Is good at finding flaws in peoples posts. I hope he'll get as good as people say he is, cause at this point, i don't really like what he has brought to the topic. 11. Shock Didn't contribute at all. Wouldn't mind voting him out. He says he's trying to learn how to play. The best way to play is actively contribute to the thread. Maybe a poor mafia player or a poor town player. probably the latter. 12. RVZ Makes the newbie: "you vote for me i vote for you" mistake. Didn't accuse anyone yet, he should do this lots more. Could be mafia or town, i don't know. 13. Thiradell Is not a big fan of brett and zwiebel (reply #25) Pages later he still says he doesn't like zwiebel. Also makes proper analysis about cutz lack of contributing to the topic. Starts to get more active the last page. I lean towards town. Unvote for sure. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 06:45:07 I know honko doesn't like people posting lists, but i still did. Care to explain why you said that honko? I'll give a shorter version of how i think about all of it as of now most townish as of now brett townish zarkov, thiradell, thewebinator mafialike zwiebel, cutz, padz, shock noobs: moon man, rvz. really hard to say Honko |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 06:46:41 triple post, i'm sorry, i forgot to vote Vote Zwiebel |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 06:47:10 5D627B7B607E7167140 wrote:
Hah. I guess seen as noone has accused you of anything, you dont feel the need to defend yourself. You think Honko should be kept in as he is a good player. He is only good if he is town. You gonna peek him tonight then to find out? Will look forward to what you claim about him day 2. Nice post, though im not that down with list posts. Youre an experienced player, so if I say youre wolf, you should defend yourself well. ivootjes |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 06:58:27 honko also said he doesn't like list posts, why not? Makes it easy for myself to see who i think is mafia/town and why and gives the insight to other people as well. I was accused of being in a mafia with (i think) theweb and rvz. I think this is totally ridiculous as i don't get the feeling of them being mafia at all. Ok, rvz could very well be because he has posted so little yet, but theweb? I still think he just made a lot of dumb contradictions. That was clearly showed by brett, but they weren't really mafia contradictions. So basicly because you don't like my analysis of honko i should be voted of? What's up with that? Honko has only defende people (which is really easy to do as mafia) until now, and given people general info about how to play town/mafia (which is really easy as mafia as well) It's just a general way of staying under the radar, but then again, i also defend people and give general info sometimes. This also needs to happen. Maybe i should rephrase myself about honko: I expect more from him, and if he continues like this i'll defo lean towards mafia because he hasn't really made clear to me who he thinks is mafia except for cutz. Edited for grammar correction |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/07/10 at 07:07:52 I agree with the analysis on Web. He did appear to honestly try to just get the game started, and I don't see much in his posts that say "mafia." Town lean. I really don't know what to think of RVZ. His posts if anything though make me think he has a power role of some sort. No lean. Zarkov: Zarkovlean I'm going to take a second look at Zwiebel's posts; kinda forgot what the content was. Then maybe I'll actually get some school done. ;D |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 07:14:27 Another useless shock post. How do other people look upon voting shock out? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 07:19:11 Ivo, the reason I'm more suspicious of web than say Moon Man or Cutz is because web promptly denounced voting for inactives when people started wagoning RVZ, and about 15 minutes later RVZ came in with a post. This could be coincidence, and it could also be these two working together. A bit funny that you find the web/RVZ/Ivo idea ridiculous and, as evidence, say: "there's no way web/RVZ are mafia." You in league with two other guys? :P Ivo's analysis looks pretty solid, don't really have a lean still (called himself town, just really don't have strong feelings one way or the other). RVZ's pretty grumpy. We don't need you to be here 24/7, just please try and contribute to the wolfhunt. Leaving my vote on him for now. Waiting on some other people to show up today (Zwieb/Cutz/Moon), I'll be back later. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 07:20:16 Guess I'd be fine with voting Shock, that last post is pretty awful. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 07:24:56 off course it's possible that those two are mafia, i just don't get where the idea came from, because i don't find these two players to be oustanding as mafialike, compared to some others. I think them posting right after each other is coincedence. When i was mafia i've never made plans about when to post, i don't expect these newbies to do. ;D Posting times are usually restricted to when people are able to post, as everyone has other stuff to do in their lives right? :P |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 07:42:32 477861617A646B7D0E0 wrote:
I just wanted to put some heat on you dude. Seen as noone has really, aside from that one call on you. unvote Tbh, I think the way to go today is with RVZ or Shock. Shocks last post was "I think RVZ has a power role. No lean". How can you think someone has a power role, but not think they are one side or the other. It seems like he almost knows RVZ has a power role but is trying (and failing) to clear him. RVZ seems to think any association with him and web making him sus is ridiculous. Well it isnt, as Third pointed out, he seemed to respond quite quickly after people (web) said he wasnt posting enough. Even if we dont lynch RVZ today, its worth the seer having a peek at him. Even though the small bandwagon on him earlier was jokey, I think its the right way to go. RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 07:44:48 5F607979627C7365160 wrote:
Except he said for the 10000th time he doesn't know what to think of this or that, it seems he doesn't know what to post. He wants to be active so bad, maybe to hide something, that the quality of his posts suffering from it. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 07:45:34 Vote: Shock |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 07:52:59 3F3D323233323F303D2E375C0 wrote:
With all due respect, but that perfectly examples my post. Since he doesn't accomplish to make a single usefull post, he's being reckless. And that results in me being the innocent victim of his behaviour |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/07/10 at 07:55:51 Ok then, I'm back from work and went through everything wat happened... First thing that plopped to my mind when I read Web's response to my last post was that he apologized to me in his first post, then, when Zarkov came up with his post attacking me, Web "suddenly" starts just rephrasing what zarkov said and insulting me. Seems like a bad bandwagon to me... Brett did some nice effort to analyze Web's behaviour, even if some of Web's mistakes might just be grammatical errors. He hasn't posted that much when I left, but started doing something now. Seems townish for me. Padz behaviour when he started posting serious made a good impression to me as well, he's getting people to talk quiet easily. Seems to be a bit like Zarkov atm to me, having a town lean as well on both. Like Thiradell attacking Ivo, I wouldn't call any Maf idea "ridiculous" ny now since it's D1. Ivo hasn't done anything bad by now, but when he talked about who to lynch, he said that lynching a newbie wouldn't be good. Now he's asking to vote Shock out, a newbie. I have a mafiaish feeling on Ivo now. RVZ is accusing people here and there just because they keep accusing him, not a good idea at all, not for scum and not for town. Calling me aggressive, I thought your post in which you said I'd be aggressive was aggressive (if that sentence actually makes sense). I worked for 14 hours yesterday. Be happy I still took some effort to post. I also could've went like Quote:
Shock's statement about what you need to do in the game was bad, but I remember thinking similiar in the beginning of my first game, and I was town there. Well, maybe that was just me being stupid. I'd like to hear some more from Shock, if you're town, you shouldn't be afraid to post your thoughts, even if they might be weak. Others might think different! I'll have to do some things now, but I'll continue to write later in ~4 hours I think. I'd like to hear some statements from Shock and Ivo, my vote will go to Web since he still is my main suspect. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/07/10 at 07:56:34 Sorry, quote fail, but I guess you know what I mean. Laterz! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/07/10 at 08:00:44 Yes, the quality of my posts are suffering for want of being active, with not much to say. I do not know what to think right now about the masses of information people have posted, and the result is posting fluffy material that makes me look like I'm mafia. RVZ, right now you look like you're panicking while under attack. I already stated that I think you have a power role, and by the way you are trying to shift the brunt of the accusations on me, I am nearly convinced you are mafia. Ivootjes's posts are very sharp in my eye right now, and it looks to me like he is a strong town player, hunting down the wolves. Strong town lean. Vote: RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 08:07:42 6E616B7665637A616B6A6A610F0 wrote:
I just don't want to get lynched cuz of you :-/ So yeh, I panic! All I see right now what's happening is that I did nothing wrong myself. People started having suspicious thoughts of me cuz of what other people said about me. Makes no fucking sence! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/07/10 at 08:13:02 567B65696E69600C0 wrote:
On objective grounds, my posts have made me look like a mafia player, therefore any good town player will point that out. The fact that I'm new shouldn't matter if what I post is suspicious. You have poor grounds for having a mafiaish feeling on Ivo. As what others have been saying, Brett appears to be town. He early on made a couple long, bashing posts on Web, but it seems to me that he was trying to be a good town player by searching for the wolves early. I would like to see more from him, and I am slightly disturbed by the sheer length of those two posts, but I have a town lean on him. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Moon Man on 12/07/10 at 08:15:41 OK im back. I may vote for Zarkov, because i want to know why he thought I was mafia, before I gave my reasons. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 08:22:02 It was a Tom Gaffikin style play. Act now, think later. Please dont vote for me. Im town, I promise! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Moon Man on 12/07/10 at 08:30:46 Meh, plausible. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 09:17:15 Moon Man Seriously, at least RVZ is trying. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Moon Man on 12/07/10 at 09:29:06 Do you actually have a legitmate reason to vote for me? You already know why i havnt been posting much, and i have just gone though the last 5 pages that i missed. I'll post my thoughts in a bit if you want to know. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 09:39:34 Guess Zwieb/Shock or Ivo/Shock both look plausible right now, heh. They both kinda mentioned him and concluded he was probably a town newb. Leaning more toward Zwieb/Shock because Ivo's post "another useless Shock post how do we feel about a lynch" would just be odd if the two were mafia. I think Shock could be mafia, his "my posts are bad because I want to post a lot but there's nothing to say" is ridiculous. Seems like "newb" cover for making useless posts that people called out as useless. I guess it's one or the other for Shock and RVZ though and both these guys don't look good to me. Not sure what to do. I always want to know, Moon. At this point you've posted zero useful content and didn't even appear interested in those last two posts, that's why I voted for you. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 09:48:56 5E6263786B6E6F66660A0 wrote:
Yeah, my thinking also. I doubt both could be mafia seen as how RVZ is on Shock. Even if they are mafia buds, Shock is one of the main candidates for todays lynch so having a vote on him is dumb. Especially an early vote, and youre the other suspect. Could be viewed the other way though I guess. Nah, it wont be. Both first timers, im sure they wouldnt be doing double bluffs and the like. Im gonna stay on RVZ as he still seems to me as the most likely of the two. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 09:57:53 19263F3F243A3523500 wrote:
Lynching one of the strongest players day 1 is a terrible idea. Especially for a silly reason like Web suggested. Day 1 is such a gamble, it's not worth taking on someone who we know can really contribute later, unless they make a huge slip up. So when I say "we're not lynching Clark or padz day 1" what I mean is "lynching Clark or padz day 1 is a terrible idea, you should forget about it, if you try it I will argue against it, and I am confident I will win that argument." One of them could say something really bad that changes this, but I'd be surprised if padz makes such a mistake so early, and Clark so far has seemed pretty good this game so it'd surprise me from him as well. 467960607B656A7C0F0 wrote:
List posts aren't automatically bad, but they usually end up saying nothing useful. People will say one or two sentences about each person, but those sentences will just be repeats/summaries of what other people have said already. But everyone else sees it and it looks like a big post of analysis and so they assume the person is town. It contributes nothing new and makes the person look good, and I've seen it from mafia a lot. In particular if the list post has a lot of "I'm not sure what to think about this guy" or "I thought he was mafia but I don't know" kind of fluffy waffling, like Zwiebel's did, then it really tells us absolutely nothing. You usually get better results if you just focus on the one or two people you actually have thoughts about and really go in depth. Otherwise it's just superficial analysis and that's never good. I also dislike people naming on their lists who they think is "definitely town" unless that person is in danger of being lynched, because in general that only helps the mafia. If the person really is town, then mafia knows who's trusted and therefore who's a good target to kill. If the person is actually mafia, they know they're doing a good job and can keep doing what they're doing safely. A list of suspects along with some solid analysis is fine though, even if you didn't post something about all of them. That's always useful to look back on who suspected who. 053A23233826293F4C0 wrote:
You're misrepresenting me a bit here and I don't like it. I've posted suspicions on several people, Brett, Zwiebel, Shock, Web, and Cutz. Cutz was just the first one I felt deserved a vote. True I have spent some time giving advice, but that's because there are a lot of inexperienced players in this game and I feel like I can't explain myself very well without them knowing how I think the game should be played. Shock posted some very poor reasoning for his play so far, that could either mean he's mafia or just newbie town who doesn't know better. Now that I've explained why that's a bad move, he has no excuse anymore. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Moon Man on 12/07/10 at 09:58:54 If i had shown no interest in Shock/RVS little hissy fit, are you trying to imply something? I'll humour you, lets say im maf, maybe im not trying to draw any more attention to shock or RVS. If i am maf, then wouldn't one of them two, or possibly both be mafia? I'll say this once, i dont want to get into anything deep due to exams. Thursday is my last day and i finish at a nice 10:30AM and then im done, and then i can get into this alot more. Tom had to unfortualty put it onto a bad week for me. Either way if you vote for me or not, im still a townie. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 10:07:37 So we can lynch you now or wait until day 2 for an actual contribution. *sigh* |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 10:19:09 Current vote count: RVZ (2): Zarkov, Shock Zwiebel(2): Webinator, ivootjes Webinator(1): Brett Shock(1): RVZ Moon Man(1): Thiradell Cuts22 (1): Honko I didn't include what everybody voted. Maybe that tom will add this later? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 10:27:48 Cutz deserves some more votes. So far the one thing I've seen that indicates a RVZ/Web connection is this: 4C6B7B60666F6F7D0E0 wrote:
Read the whole topic and senced some paranoia from your side. A totally innocent slip from Web made you connect us 2 being mafia. In your reasoning now, If Web avoids contact with me, us 2 are maf. If he does contact with me, we're maf. Guess we are doomed :D Guess by bringing this up again makes me suspicious 8-)[/quote] Also remember that cutz' only remotely useful post of the game was passively defending both Web and RVZ. I say vote cutz, but lynching any of the three will give us some useful info about the others. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Moon Man on 12/07/10 at 10:31:26 Yes but cant someone just call band wagon. Especially when you have given a good enough reason to vote cutz, and nothing more can really be said, until cutz tries to defend himself? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 10:32:05 I think it's going to be one of these 6 voted out probably? I'm fine with either of them, although i prefer zwiebel, shock and cuts above the other 3, i really think our chances of picking a mafia are biggest this way. I don't like the idea of having someone getting voted out with just 2 or 3 votes, so it would be nice if we could at least get some consensus about who to vote out before the day ends. Quote:
Clark is fine. I really don't know about padz. I don't think he posted more than one line a single time? Maybe that he's one of those people that senses mafia later in the game, but you've got to remember that he could be very well mafia as well. Do you think we can spot him more easily day 3 than on day 1? And a little something about my list, i usually make those lists for a big part for myself when browsing through the topic, makes it much easier for myself to get things sorted. Saying who i think are town might help the mafia, but it could in this game also help the doctor or cop right? Besides, not everyone has the same ideas as i have. :P I absolutely don't like rvz talking about who could possibly have power roles as this will only help the mafia for sure. I don't even think about the several power roles on the first day. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 10:37:42 Ok, i'll change my vote to cutz. unvote, vote cutz Still open for voting shock or zwiebel out. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 11:16:46 champions league time! I'll probably be on and off the next few hours, let's hope most people will get active again as the americans return from school/work and the europeans get active this evening. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 11:17:11 4B746D6D76686771020 wrote:
He could absolutely be mafia. But yes, I expect him to start talking a lot more as the game goes on, and when he does he'll become much more useful if he's town and much easier to read if he's mafia. Right now it would be a 25% gamble to lynch him. Are you willing to lynch one of the best players simply because there's a 1/4 chance he could be mafia? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 12:09:09 Back. 4649435E4D4B524943424249270 wrote:
In this post, especially the first paragraph Shock you're playing a lot like I did my first game when I was mafia, too afraid to go out and just post whatever you're feeling even if it can give you a little heat, and that's why I'm suspecting you slightly. You have a little bit of analysis in the end though so it looks like maybe you're finally starting to get away from your "strategy" of watching and not posting thoughts. As for Zwiebel's response to my post, I was being sarcastic when I was saying, "Sorry that it didn't seem that way to you", it wasn't an apology. I don't find it necessary to apologize to other players for posts. Zarkov brought up a good point, so I expanded on it based on other information in your post and posted my spin on it. You still didn't really answer my questions so for now you keep my vote. Right now I'd be willing to flip my vote to Shock if others want to lynch him instead, but Zwiebel is keeping my vote for now. If he's maf I would be a little more suspicious of Brett since Zwieb said pretty much the same thing Brett said to me, just watered down a little. Also whether I'm linked or not to RVZ's posts I don't think really matters at this stage, since he seems so fickle with his opinions that one of my posts might agree with his, and the next might not. Again, I'll be off and on until 10-11PM EST |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 12:11:45 6E7C7B7077786D766B282D190 wrote:
Third has posted a little bit, enough for me not to care as much as the other two. Moon Man has nothing in his posts and Cutz just seems to be inactive even as he's surfing the MK forums. Really want to see more from these guys so I can develop theories. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 12:25:49 Back from school. Just read through the whole topic, and I can see a lot of interesting stuff has happened. Moon Man in particular really bothers me, it seems to me that he just doesn't give a shit about this game. He has used excuses at least twice, his latest one to buy him some time until Thursday. Which doesn't make very much sense to me. Like I've said earlier, why sign up if you won't be participating? Thiradell has stepped it up, town lean. So right now I'm confused, it seems that the general consensus is to vote for either RVZ or Shock? They both defend themselves poorly, but I think that Shock has more of a townish tone to his posts and I'm still not entirely sure he is mafia. I'd vote RVZ though if you guys want. Also RVZ, you and Web aren't 100% mafia, but if I can sense that Web begins to deliberately try to avoid any ties with you then IMO that is a suspicious move. If he just plays normally like he has done with all the other players in the game then it might help both of your cases. IDK what to think about Ivo, he could very well be on either side right now. Either way he definitely isn't the best lynch for today so I'll focus more on him later. Something in the way he words his posts bugs me yet I can't seem to figure out exactly what it is. It just stands out a lot compared to the way others post. Not sure on Cutz either, if I had to give him a lean I'd give him a slight mafia lean though as Honko has good points on him. As for now, I will unvote as it's kinda a stupid vote on Web because everyone else is going for someone else. Just know that this doesn't change my opinions on him in the slightest and I think he is more than likely mafia. Maybe my post was a bit too aggressive but I wanted to get my voice out there in a previosly low-key game. If I couldn't vote Web though I'd definitely vote RVZ. Not going to put my vote on him just yet though because I'll be here most of the day and will have time for that later, gonna see how the day turns out. Unvote |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 12:33:32 I don't like this wait and see attitude Brett. Nor the way you said "I'll vote for RVZ if you guys want." That's a pretty obvious job of trying not to do anything controversial. There's no reason to not have a vote down right now, nobody's in danger of getting a majority lynch. Unvoting and asking others to tell you who to vote is terrible. "wolf lean" on Brett. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 12:38:13 don't really agree with you (brett) that pressure's on just rvz and shock. There's for sure also pressure on cuts, zwiebel and moon man. I agree with with honko that everybody should at least have a vote on someone by now. You must have at least some people you suspect right? The more people vote, the more influence town gains. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 12:51:33 All right guess I'll vote for RVZ then. Vote: RVZ Also Honko, I really don't care about doing anything "controversial". I'll vote for every player if I have to. I just didn't want to vote for RVZ because I'm around for most of the day and there will be plenty of time for that. If I didn't want to do anything controversial why would I make that huge ass Web post? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 13:00:48 Web post is definitely a point in your favor but the fact that so much of it was extremely nitpicky means it could still be mafia trying to build a case that isn't there. It's definitely not enough to carry you for the rest of the game. If you really believe Web or RVZ or anyone else is mafia and you'll be here for the rest of the day, why not try convincing people instead of waiting for them to convince you? For someone like you who has posted some real suspicions during this game to suddenly step back and be like "OK guys now tell me what I should do with my vote" is seriously scummy. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 13:02:54 Basically with 16 hours left in the day and you being one of the more active posters so far, you shouldn't be asking what the consensus is. You should be trying to set it. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 13:03:20 Out for a run. I want to hear RVZ talk since he hasn't today and he is under a lot of scrutiny. Also Zwieb seems to have come and left, just wondering where that's going. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 13:04:41 Back. Wasn't very active yesterday, not much to talk about. Anyway, RVZ as I've stated before has a definite case of noob villager. I wouldn't advise voting for him. Maf lean right now is Brett. He's grasping at straws with his theories and trying to over-analyze and create suspicion where there is none. Nothing I saw Web did struck is as too odd so I can't see why Brett is going after him so hard. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 13:08:40 I've posted my suspicions, I've posted who I think is mafia and why I think they are mafia. I typed up that Web post reading everything that he wrote and everything seemed to contradict itself, which people that contradict themselves so frequently are more than likely mafia I think. I've tried to convince you guys to vote Web, didn't really work as no one else voted him all day, so obviously either you guys think that Web is a clueless townie or you guys have found a better target. That's why I asked what the general consensus was instead of me trying to set it, I tried to set the course of the day early on and that didn't work. And I know it's not enough to carry me all game, I haven't 100% just gone after Web and no one else. He is my main suspect, but I've posted on why I think others like RVZ are very suspicious and why I think some general suspects like Shock are more than likely town. Thing with lynching either Web or RVZ is lynching one of these tells us so much about the other one, so why is lynching Cutz a good idea? I understand your reasoning behind the lynch and it makes sense, but what would a Cutz lynch tell us about the rest of the players in the game? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 13:10:26 In all honesty we havent got anything to lose going for RVZ. Even if he is town, its not a huge loss. Mislynches are gay yeah, but it generally always happens day 1. Best to get it out of the way early on then have it later. Shock may get better as the game goes on and he gets what youre supposed to do more. Moon Man is iffy like people have said though, and his lack of interest is annoying. Its the same old story with the inactives. We have to think of the longer game and having them around later in the game is a huge disadvantage for wolf hunting. Moon Man is inactive for the most part, RVZ is wolfy and inactive. This is why im staying on RVZ. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/07/10 at 13:10:38 636C667B686E776C6667676C020 wrote:
On objective grounds, my posts have made me look like a mafia player, therefore any good town player will point that out. The fact that I'm new shouldn't matter if what I post is suspicious. You have poor grounds for having a mafiaish feeling on Ivo.[/quote] I just pointed out that he earlier said that lynching a newbie isn't a good idea, but now he's on for a vote for a newbie. Why did he say that lynching a newbie isn't good at all then? That's what gave me an odd feeling. Oh, and I just forgot to put my vote on Web before... Vote thewebinator |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 13:13:02 1B3A343D123A27313A3B550 wrote:
Well thanks for that. Cutz doesnt advise voting for the most wolf like player. Id accept it more if you explained your reasoning there. Just brushing it off as noob villager is scummy. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 13:13:55 Bloody hell I stand corrected, that last post by Cutz might be the worst post I've ever seen in a mafia game. Claims RVZ is noob villager, claims Web hasn't done anything wrong, and then wonders why I've pushed for his lynch earlier on. THEN he says how I am creating suspicion where there is none, I truly don't understand what this means so you're going to have to explain this one to me. Now I'm VERY unsure who to vote for, Cutz obviously just made ties with the both of them trying to defend two suspicious people. Imagine how crazy it would be if the 3 of them were the 3 mafia. I'm still voting for RVZ because I have a slightly bigger hunch on him despite that terrible Cutz post. I haven't been grasping at straws, I've been providing evidence to the table. Maybe I just try too hard. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 13:14:04 427F72756264666A100 wrote:
Including his post just now, he's made a total of two posts with any noteworthy content whatsoever. In both of them, he's defended both Web and RVZ. I think that tells us just as much as any other connections between them. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 13:18:00 Yeah I just said that about his most recent post, and Clark and us both said this at relatively the same time. God dammit this is a hard decision, I'm not sure which one of RVZ and Cutz is more likely to be mafia. Thing is I'm not sure if lynching Cutz tells us that much about RVZ, since what has RVZ done to Cutz? Unless I missed a post by him or so. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 13:20:18 6E6C636362636E616C7F660D0 wrote:
Well thanks for that. Cutz doesnt advise voting for the most wolf like player. Id accept it more if you explained your reasoning there. Just brushing it off as noob villager is scummy.[/quote] Well the thing with RVZ is, irc bandwagoned on him as a joke day 1, he came under a lot of unexpected pressure and started acting the way a noob villager would, getting angry and shifting blame to others (shock). |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 13:23:36 4B6A646D426A77616A6B050 wrote:
The only thing I agree with in this post is Brett going after Web so hard. Web is swinging to the maf side, but not as much as RVZ and now you with that post. Everything else just screams of "shit im seen as inactive and need to post". Its a classic kneejerk, try and divert suspiscion away from me post that has totally backfired. I dont think a nooby villager would make that kind of post. (not calling you a nooby villager btw) A maf would imo. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 13:25:40 How is getting angry and shifting blame to others a noob villager move? I think it's more of a noob mafia move, trying to get the spotlight off of you when he really had nothing to fear as a majority lynch wasn't gonna happen at that stage in the game. Now RVZ claims he has a day off but what has he posted since then? He's contributed about as much as he has on the first half of D1. You realize though if RVZ comes up mafia how badly this looks for you? I think we should follow through with the RVZ lynch, because this lynch would tell us a lot about Web and Cutz since they both have defended him in the game. Lynching Cutz on the other hand doesn't tell us as much about Web and RVZ, especially if he somehow comes up town. That's why I think RVZ is the slightly better lynch, but man it's a tough decision. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 13:27:01 Lol @ Clark and I once again posting similar statements without me reading his post first. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 13:27:07 7845484F585E5C502A0 wrote:
Yeah I got ninja'd pretty bad there. I don't think RVZ or Web have commented on cutz much at all. But I never really bought into the RVZ/Web connection theory (pretty sure it started as a joke by padz) until I saw cutz defending them both. That's what really gave it traction for me and that's why I think we'd learn more from a cutz lynch. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 13:29:12 774A47405751535F250 wrote:
1.Basing that off of what I saw from Drag and vitor on the only other game I played. 2. Yeah I know. 3. Yeah, it would be pretty retarded of any wolf to defend RVZ like this if he is maf. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 13:31:31 Yeah Brett. RVZ is kind of the linker between the two (cutz and web). Though if RVZ does flip scum, we cant auto assume both cutz and web are scum. We could safely assume though that whatever RVZ flips, it makes cutz look really bad. Tbh though, im 90% RVZ is gonna flip mafia, then cutz is confirmed maf without a doubt. Lynching cutz wont give us as good a read on RVZ as he could still be nooby town. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 13:31:55 Cutz has defended both of them, RVZ and Web haven't defended Cutz nearly as much. And if they did, it's been less obvious. Web has also defended RVZ. If we lynch RVZ, that would tell us a lot about Cutz and Web, two of his defenders. But I don't see how a Cutz lynch would be better, considering RVZ and Web haven't defended him as much so why would you lynch someone that has just about the same chance of being mafia if you learn less info off of him? Or is my logic 100% backwards? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 13:32:38 454748484948454A47544D260 wrote:
THIS! This is why we should lynch RVZ over Cutz. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/07/10 at 13:34:05 4974797E696F6D611B0 wrote:
Well then, I think that's a good plan. Let's get rid of him, he's not talking anyway. If he turns out mafia we have good things to go after. If he's town, we still have some informations as that brett attacked Web and RVZ pretty much and I have been on that trip as well. So there would be 2 new suspects to go after anyway. unvote Vote RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 13:37:11 Would any wolf try to defend RVZ adamantly if he was scummate? Putting so much on the line so early would really be terrible wolf play. I honestly think RVZ is noob town, I've explained my thinking. His actions mirror the actions of past noob town I've seen when put under pressure. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 13:42:01 I think you guys are right actually, that RVZ does tell us more. Also cutz appears to at least be trying now, which makes lynching him less attractive in the event that we're wrong and they're all town. Unvote Vote: RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 13:42:44 05242A230C24392F24254B0 wrote:
I've never seen a past noob town try to shift the attention to others when put under pressure. Maybe he would defend himself poorly, but a noob town would most likely not try to throw the blame on Shock. As for your first sentence, you could be right, but mafia's main goal is to try to confuse with situations like this. It could very well be possible that RVZ flips mafia and the people think you wouldn't be dumb enough to do that if you were mafia, and give you a free pass. Doesn't fly like that. I think you are mafia but the RVZ lynch tells us the most info so that's why my vote is on him and not you. Trust me when I say if your lynch had more info than RVZ's then I'd certainly have my vote on you. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 13:42:55 Votals would be good though, we don't want to end the day early. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 13:52:43 It looks like the town isn't going to target on Shock or Zwieb today, as RVZ, cutz and I have been thrown into the spotlight. Despite my suspicions against Zwiebel voting for a player that no one is focused on is just stupid, and because of that I'll unvote. unvote Placing my vote on Cutz or RVZ is a slippery slope, as I think cutz is the most likely to be mafia right now. He doesn't really know what to say so is kind of spouting fluff in order to try and defend himself, which makes me look at him like mafia. However RVZ is completely removed from this, he's not caring about the game and he in no way is defending the claims against him. Honestly he's pulling a Moon Man (and, as an aside I think that we should pressure him into posting his thoughts tomorrow, if not today because we appear set on a lynch). I would vote but a lot of pressure is on RVZ atm and I don't want to end the day with a majority lynch too early since we do have about 12 hours. Do know though that I would vote RVZ in this scenario unless some other evidence comes up in the town in the next few hours. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 13:53:52 RVZ (5): Zarkov, Shock, Brett, Zwiebel, Honko Zwiebel(1): Webinator Shock(1): RVZ Moon Man(1): Thiradell Cutz22 (1): Ivootjes 7 votes is a majority, so RVZ is 2 away. Nobody else should vote for him for now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 13:58:43 I need to get some work done, so I'll be gone for a few hours. Definitely be back tonight if not earlier though. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 14:04:00 Okay, RVZ's fine. If he flips mafia that pretty much clears Shock, as well. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 14:04:25 You guys making a terrible mistake. Either Web and Cutz playing a really good game if they're maf (which I doubt), or they're just said stupid things. I don't know they'll know themself the best. I caught up in this crazy situation while I didn't post that much myself. Guess I can blame cutzz and web for that. I'm fine with the RVZ lynch, you'll see how wrong u guys are :) And I will lol [smiley=beer.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 14:05:28 4166766D6B626270030 wrote:
This is like exact copy paste of vitor. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 14:09:28 2E0F0108270F12040F0E600 wrote:
This is like exact copy paste of vitor.[/quote] I know that is probably said by mafia A LOT. But I'm pretty serious cuz there seems no way out for me at this point |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 14:10:56 Webinator deleted one of his posts, is that allowed? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 14:11:01 Jesus this stuff really pisses me off. It's like a 50/50 between "I realized I've played a really bad game and can't dig myself out of this whole, so I'm just going to give up on trying to argue town" or "Maybe if I pull this then I can scare the town into pulling off of my vote. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/07/10 at 14:12:00 If you are Town, you should at least try to defend yourself. Just saying "lol I can't change it anyway I will laugh when I die" won't help the Town at all, that just makes you even more suspicious. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 14:12:03 Vitor flipped noob town everyone thought he was mafia. I'm defending you. Please re-read he past few pages. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/07/10 at 14:13:41 If you're not Mafia, then talk now RVZ. Other things won't help you. Tell us everything you think. Not saying anything is the worst thing you can do now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 14:16:01 On second thought Cutz if RVZ is town you still could very well be mafia, and be defending him because if Cutz is mafia he knows damn well RVZ is town. I've seen this done many times by mafia as well. And RVZ, are you even trying to legit play the game anymore? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 14:21:28 1E232E293E383A364C0 wrote:
You've got to choose a theory. I'm scum if I defend RVZ and he flips wolf, and I'm scum if he flips town. Not much point of doing anything then. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 14:24:04 436E707C7B7C75190 wrote:
The reason why I get lynched is because the things Web and Cutz said about me. If these 2 said these things about (example) Moon Man, he would've been the best possible lynch to do. That's why I said that either Web and Cutz playing a good game when they're maf and setting me up or I'm just a victim of a simple coincidence. Since I didn't do anything wrong besides beeing a bit inactive. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 14:24:47 From any other player, what RVZ said (youre making a mistake etc) could be taken two ways. But seen as RVZ is a first time player, he is more likely to tell the truth. Im gonna unvote for now as he is about, and were only 2 from a lynch If we get nothing more than "youre gonna regret this etc" il be back on him. He does have the right and the opportunity to defend himself atm, so staying quiet is certain lynch RVZ. unvote |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 14:26:42 That's a horrible excuse. I never directly attacked you in my posts and cutz is trying to defend you. Honestly now you're making up stuff... |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 14:27:13 407D707760666468120 wrote:
I'll sure try to avoid my lynch the time I'm online but seeing the way things are atm and the thoughts of everyone, things not looking good for me. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 14:27:20 I can't decide, I'll decide after he's lynched. Not sure if you are playing the "if I was mafia I wouldn't have defended my mafia buddy RVZ so hard because it would be obvious" card when you are mafia, or if you are playing the "I'm mafia and gonna defend a noob townie RVZ despite there being almost no evidence that he is town and hope everyone gives me a free pass" card when you are mafia. Or you could be town, but it's unlikely. How about this. If RVZ flips mafia I'll focus more on Web D2. If RVZ flips town then I think you are more probably to be mafia and I'll focus more on you D2. There I chose my theory. Tough to decide though. Man this day is so confusing and shit's gonna hit the fan D2 regardless of RVZ's turnout. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 14:29:26 Actually excuse that last post. I did make a statement against you in my last post before the most recent one, but you have been riding your statement the whole time so really I don't think it's worth it. Sorry about that minor error though. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 14:29:34 Lol, RVZ falling apart. Cutz is the only one defending you right now, bud. [smiley=bath.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 14:29:47 My post was directed at Cutz, BTW. And RVZ, don't give up now. There's about 12 hours left in the day and you're not one vote from being lynched. If you do a good enough job convincing people then you just might be saved for the day. I know it seems unlikely and I'm not saying it isn't, but just throwing in the towel when you still have time has never gotten anyone anywhere. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 14:32:17 5964696E797F7D710B0 wrote:
Looks like I'll try to be wrong more often then in this game. ::) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 14:34:33 Regardless of whether you are town or mafia RVZ, you shouldn't stop trying. There was one game I played where there were 9 people and I had 4 votes on me, I got very pissed off because I did nothing but try to defend myself all game. Honko was the host that game and actually PM'd me telling me to turn things around. I did and we lynched back to back mafias to win the game (I was town). I understand you probably are frustrated and you're not wrong for being frustrated, but understand why you are suspicious. You posted late in the game, you had a mafia reaction when pressure was put on you, and also, your lynch tells a lot about some of the people in the game, and informative lynches are always good for the town. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 14:36:09 Cutz, you're definitely playing one of those two cards, It's just hard to say which. I'd be VERY surprised if both you and RVZ flip over as town. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 14:41:45 665B56514640424E340 wrote:
Or considered that I might just be drawing a very direct and honest connection between RVZ and the noob townies I've seen in the elite-kart game? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 14:47:20 fine, only one vote on cutz now? Most of it centered around rvz? I don't like how this is going. I would prefer cutz to go out over rob as of now. But it seems that my vote is left alone. Both shock and zwiebel do still have votes on them. So i'm going to switch to either one of them any minute. Let me just reread some of their posts. Unvote |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 14:48:22 You seem adamant that he is a noob townie and aren't even considering the possibility that he's a mafia. Here's the thing. I don't THINK you are dumb enough to defend a mafia player if you are mafia. That's why if he flips mafia I'm gonna have more of a mafia lean on Web than you. Doesn't mean you get a free pass in the slightest though and I'm still gonna watch and analyze all your posts. It's just that in a case like this I think you'd be the lesser of the two evils. If RVZ flips townie, then I think you defending him as a mafia is VERY likely, because it would be a real longshot if you were a townie to 100% claim that he's noob town and be dead on. Is there a chance he's noob town? Yeah, of course there is. But the fact that you are blindly saying he's town with almost no chance of being mafia sounds mafiaish. The only way you can know if someone is town or not in this game is if you scan someone, or if you're MAFIA. I think the second scenario is much more likely but either way I'm gonna focus on one of you two on D2. But likewise, this doesn't take Web off of my radar either. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 14:56:55 Yes I am confident on this read. If that's your only objection then I rest easy. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 15:01:02 5F626F687F797B770D0 wrote:
Ok, posting late makes you instant suspect? I'll remember that for the next game, ok? [smiley=flush.gif] That's bs. When I first watched the thread I saw a RVZ bandwagon and was like wtf? Ofcourse I was gonna defend myself. Turns out not to be the best way to go. My first post should be like Thiradells. Giving my opinion of other players right? Seems it makes you less suspicious. What happend after that is theory's based on what Web and Cutz said about me. My lynch will tell us more about Cutz and Web's prob scum roles, and I understand that. Since I'm the innocent victim caught up in this situation. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 15:09:10 Quote:
yeah, he could also be a noob mafia, i know [smiley=dead.gif] I also agree that robs defense really is subpar. But do you really think that him dying tells us alot about possible mafia? You could say i'm not focused enough on rvz, but that's mainly because by his posting style, and for the same i could say that you are not focused AT ALL on the other players in the game. I've only seen you talk about rvz, cutz, theweb, and a little about me. what about moon man, padz, zwiebel and SHOCK. Who played a horrible game for almost the entire day. In fact, i've seen nothing but terribly bad posts by him. Don't get me wrong, i don't think lynching rvz is a terrible mistake, it's just that I prefer other people to be lynched over him. I'm not a majority alone though, so i at least try to explain why voting for other people could be better options. Your last 20 posts contained only like 4 names, like 3 out of these 4 are mafia and we should only find out who the 3 are and who's not. And to answer rob: if you are townie then the entire goal is to get other people talking so you can find flaws in their logic, and possibly that they band together so yeah, just defending yourself isn't enough, you've got to make |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 15:09:59 I think he was talking to cutz with that post, I'm not sure though. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 15:11:10 Well the last to post doesn't really say much, but when you were under attack you acted like a noob mafia would act, by trying to shift the spotlight onto Shock. I am pretty sure that if you were a noob townie you probably would have tried to defend yourself. It just doesn't seem like something a townie would do though, regardless of experience. While you may be suspicious of Shock for valid reasons, doing it when you are in the middle of being attacked isn't the best time. And like I've said maybe 5 times, you wouldn't have been lynched at that precise moment, but you haven't exactly posted that much in the game and when you did post, your posts have kinda had a mafia tone to them. Cutz, for your sake you better hope RVZ flips mafia. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 15:13:33 26242B2B2A2B262924372E450 wrote:
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 15:14:03 Ivo, my post was meant to be towards Cutz, sorry for not specifying that after you ninja'd me. As for your post though, you can't really say what Padz is on D1 because he always posts like a clown on D1. I've stated that Moon Man definitely needs to get his act together and start contributing to the game, and that I get a town vibe from Shock by the way he has posted so far. I don't have a clue on Zweibel, sorry. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 15:14:13 Its not so much not posting til later RVZ, its the manner you went about it. Instantly angry when a vote was cast on you for instance. Moon Man has barely posted aswell, but since his posts have contained next to zero substance and yours have been alot more volatile, were pressuring you and not him. Throwing in the towel when youve still got 3 votes left to lynch you is silly, and a huge wolf move. (unless youre vitor lol) The only reason im having doubts is because this is your first game. I dont wanna come off as arrogant here, but pulling a move like that when youre new is most likely panic rather than double bluff. Youre still my number 1 suspect. but maybe not quite as strong as before. Prolly about 80%. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 15:14:46 546964637472707C060 wrote:
No, for town sake I hope he doesn't get flipped at all. If having a confident read makes me mafia then I have nothing further to add. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 15:15:35 See what I mean? Padz quotes two posts and the latter of which seems to suggest voting Cutz is a bad idea, then votes Cutz. Just wait till D2 before assuming Padz is playing a shit game. He's not one to play terribly and I wouldn't take a 1/4 chance of nailing a mafia to risk losing a great townie. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 15:15:44 Vote Shock brett, why do you think that either rvz or cutz is mafia? Is it either of them, or both? I think cutz is and rvz isn't. But you seem to be 100% sure it just one of them right? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 15:17:09 finally! someone other than me voted cutz! I really thought i was alone on this. Unvote, Vote Cutz |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 15:18:58 unvote vote Ivootjes |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 15:19:17 Also I would like to point out ivo bandwagoning on RVZ even though he apparently doesn't think he's mafia. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 15:19:39 Cutz, you seem confident RVZ is town, and I don't think you could have this confidence unless you KNOW he's town. Just simply because you don't have a lot of experience. The only way you could be confident that someone is town is if you are either a cop or mafia, and I'm pretty sure you aren't a cop. If he's mafia I think it was a bit more of a mistake on your part but it wouldn't make you have a town lean either. You'd probably have a neutral lean from me. @Ivo: I think 1/2 is mafia, possibly 2/2 but I think 1/2 is mafia. Depends on what RVZ flips. I'd be floored if neither one of them is a mafia. On a side note I don't even remember if there is a cop role in the game. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 15:20:00 o lawd |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 15:22:10 11 hours in the day remain and it's being played like it's the last 30 minutes. And gosh Ivo, why did you vote Shock then remove your vote like 60 seconds later with no reasoning behind your Shock vote? If you think Cutz is the prime suspect no need to wait for a Padz vote before voting yourself. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 15:22:20 566B66617670727E040 wrote:
:-? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 15:23:16 72535D547B534E5853523C0 wrote:
incorrect i did not vote for rob in any bandwagon. I voted for him once on page one, which was obviously not really deep into the game. Haven't been part in any of the two vote sprees on rob. I also stated that i think it's not a huge mistake to vote rvz off, but still not good in my eyes. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 15:24:47 lol padz min 10 characters wtf |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 15:25:17 6F504949524C4355260 wrote:
the fuck are you even saying |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 15:25:22 Padz that sentence was kind of a joke since even if he was a cop there'd be no way of him knowing that someone is town on D1. Ivo, you're too wishy washy. You seem like you could vote for Shock or Cutz or maybe even RVZ. Who do you think is the best choice to lynch tonight? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 15:25:22 Exactly the opposite Brett. I am confident because of my limited experience, not in spite of it. As I have seen only two examples of noob town, and RVZ perfectly fits the bill! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 15:25:31 4A777A7D6A6C6E62180 wrote:
You just forgot my reasoning. I've stated several times why i think he could be mafia. When i first voted for cutz it seemed like several people were with me, but when everybody left me alone i felt that it's useless. Yes, maybe i shouldn't have done that. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 15:27:30 And Ivo, I was referring to that quote in which you said it was not a mistake to vote RVZ, though you thought he was not maf. I did not mean an actual vote. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/07/10 at 15:27:45 Unvote. RVZ's post where he threw in the towel is odd. From what I know about him and chats on skype etc., I believe he is saying the truth. He is coming across to me as a disturbed townie who, after he thought he played all his cards, threw his hands up and said 'forget it, I know I'm innocent, kill me and I will lol at your stupidity'. I think he really is town, and not mafia. He may prove to be the best choice of lynch for who to lynch next, but I would rather shoot for the mafia directly. I am uncomfortable with Cutz's posts. They are short in defense and neutral. He seems to be trying to put on a poker face and/or hiding something. Unless I read differently from him: Vote: Cutz22 |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 15:27:49 6B69666667666B64697A63080 wrote:
Especially you should know that vote counts don't matter, at this point. Even I as a newbie already came to this conclusion. When observing how everybody is thinking atm it's pretty clear that I'm done, and so do you. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 15:28:01 5C637A7A617F7066150 wrote:
Erm this is a really really odd post. Brett has stated his reasons about 100 times, I don't think that you can act oblivious to them after that. Also, what's with switching votes so quickly? You needed someone to vote cutz so you could bandwagon instead of being tagged with the one starting it yourself. Maf Lean now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 15:29:53 @Shock: You feel uncomfortable about me defending someone you think is innocent? [smiley=bath.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 15:30:07 003D303720262428520 wrote:
Cutz, Shock, Zwiebel, Padz. In that order. I don't see myself voting for rob. Quote:
That we could make worse mistakes as town. As rob is likely not going to add that much to the topic. But i don't see him as mafia. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/07/10 at 15:35:47 @Cutz: What? My gut feeling and what I've seen in him as a person lead me to believe RVZ is innocent. Likewise, as I feel that he is innocent, I have a feeling you are mafia. Even more so now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 15:37:01 574542494E41544F521114200 wrote:
Erm this is a really really odd post. Brett has stated his reasons about 100 times, I don't think that you can act oblivious to them after that. Also, what's with switching votes so quickly? You needed someone to vote cutz so you could bandwagon instead of being tagged with the one starting it yourself. Maf Lean now.[/quote] we're coming to a days end. We need to bandwagon someone at some point right? I've already stated that i don't like the rvz lynch. I'm not 100% sure about stuff as some players in here seem to be, that's why i also switch votes to see how people react. But i do agree that this switch was too fast. Also because i get ninja'ed every post i make. And rob don't be so fucking dumb, usually in the last few hours panic will hapen and a lot of play still has to happen. Anyone remember the games with both mvt and scott? Fuck, you're just at 4 votes man, nothing close to the 7 needed, and if one switches you're even with cutz again. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 15:37:44 Some of you guys are gonna have to explain the logic of getting rid of Cutz. Maybe Cutz might be slightly more suspicious, but to me it's close to 50-50. But I think an RVZ lynch would tell us way more about Cutz than a Cutz lynch would about RVZ. This is all so confusing, there's votes scattered across Shock, Ivo, Cutz, RVZ, etc. I don't know who is where at this point. This is definitely the craziest day I've ever seen. I will say I'm kinda uncomfortable with the Ivo vote switch there. But there's not really much I can say. RVZ, you might not die today, with the way the day is shaking out any one of like 3-4 people could be lynched. The one thing that makes no sense if is RVZ was really mafia would he give up this easily??? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 15:40:16 As it's his first game I have no idea, and we can't base it on past games. It could swing either way, but I'm really confused where the town is focused right now, or is it just all over the place? Padz, was your point in voting cutz22 to try and draw someone off like Ivo, or did you have a legitimate reason behind your vote? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 15:40:34 7C73796477716873797878731D0 wrote:
So you feel I am mafia why? Because I am defending RVZ? You claim he's innocent. :-? Just a "feeling"? Quality post. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 15:42:05 So? I don't claim that RVZ is innocent, but if he does turn up innocent I think you'll be mafia Cutz. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 15:43:55 5B647D7D66787761120 wrote:
Cutz, Shock, Zwiebel, Padz. In that order.[/quote] why not just cut the shit and push my lynch? 5B647D7D66787761120 wrote:
misunderstood my question or pussyfooting, take your pick |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 15:45:06 465453585F50455E430005310 wrote:
i dont like that honko and clark are staunchly against voting cutz but mainly it was a litmus test to see how ivo would respond since he pulled off cutz just because nobody else was voting |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 15:45:07 Brett, I would presume you realize I was addressing the quote by shock... |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 15:46:56 Okay it's not Shock vs. RVZ anymore, unless Shock pulled off RVZ in response to what I said. RVZ gave up and it's really reminding me of Vitor/drag, like Cutz is saying. If RVZ was mafia I think he would be trying harder to survive at this point, I guess. Could be a trick but, yeah, Vitor/drag. Shock is reminding me of wiff, heh. His last post isn't too bad but I'm not sure his opinions are based on anything useful right now. I don't understand why Ivootjes is so opposed to the RVZ lynch. You can only base so much on gut feeling, bud. unvote vote Ivootjes In the elite/kart game, Goose hard-defended Vitor day 2, Vitor flipped villa and Goose was wolf. Goose is a ridiculous character and I'm not sure cutz would go to the same extent as mafia. Ivoot, on the other hand, really seems to be soft-defending. Might try and go back and read his posts earlier on again, but I don't see much substance in them right now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/07/10 at 15:48:59 072628210E263B2D2627490 wrote:
So you feel I am mafia why? Because I am defending RVZ? You claim he's innocent. :-? Just a "feeling"? Quality post.[/quote] Quality reaction, thank you. It seems to me the best way to hide as a mafia would be to defend someone you know is innocent. A double mind game. Further, your posts have been short and to the point. You seem to me almost afraid to stir the water too much in your direction. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 15:49:17 Yeah I realized you were addressing it, you are saying Shock thinks you are mafia and that RVZ is town, which if RVZ is town, you are more than likely mafia. I still don't see how a Cutz lynch is more beneficial for us then an RVZ lynch. True, they've both played badly, but I think we can determine a lot of identities off of the RVZ lynch, moreso than Cutz. Anyway I'm taking a break, I got a headache and I'll be back in like 30 minutes. This day right now is so fast paced. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 15:50:31 My post was directed at Cutz. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 15:52:21 030C061B080E170C0607070C620 wrote:
So you feel I am mafia why? Because I am defending RVZ? You claim he's innocent. :-? Just a "feeling"? Quality post.[/quote] Quality reaction, thank you. It seems to me the best way to hide as a mafia would be to defend someone you know is innocent. A double mind game. Further, your posts have been short and to the point. You seem to me almost afraid to stir the water too much in your direction. [/quote] Well then I guess that's up to your judgement. I know that I am being honest in my defense of RVZ, but what can I do to prove it? Him flipping town will only make me guilty in your eyes and in Brett's. I only rest easy knowing this is an argument I ultimately can't lose. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 15:56:18 I'm kind of afraid that people are trying to throw the focus off of RVZ and try to lynch other townies. Which means by that that any combination of Ivo, Cutz, or Shock could be mafia and trying as a last ditch resort to save him for a day. A major flaw in that though is I think that that wouldnt necessarily be the mindset of the mafia if they've already seen a member outed. I think that he would be more pressed right now if he was town since the village was pretty close to a ML earlier. Just some observations. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 15:58:32 Ha, i've got that feeling on rob because he really plays like every other townie newbie i've seen play! Instantly voting back after someone votes on you. Giving up way too easy. Crying that he's town and he'll laugh at us. Noob mafia just try to get as little attention on them as possible, usually just bandwagoning others, sometimes making strange claims that always happen to be true later in the game. Fuck shit how often do i have to repeat that i prefer other votes over rob? I have never said i know 100% sure he's town. But further some nice analysis thiradell, people that are hard defending and saying stuff like "i told you so" etc. are usually the mafia. That's why i suspect shock, who said somewhere in the tread about me "very town like, hunts down were's" or something like that. I never trust when people blindly follow me :P |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 16:00:12 is someone willing to make a votecount? I don't feel like making another one |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 16:00:35 447B62627967687E0D0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zwiebel on 12/07/10 at 16:03:50 I already stated early that I think that Ivo is acting strange (page 2 I think, see "newbie lynch contradiction") and this is just getting more and more interesting. He's not willing to see an RVZ vote useful, but I think that just makes a RVZ vote more interesting for us. All in all by now I think, that an RVZ vote still is the best option to get the best out of D1. I also told RVZ to talk if he is Town and all he did were some short 2 sentenced phrases. Either he's playing rly bad, or he's Mafia. I guess he's Mafia, so I'll stick my vote on him. This is my final vote for the day, since I'm going to sleep now (1AM here) and I won't be able to get online before the day ends. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 16:05:10 0736332D2227570 wrote:
i still didn't add anything to the topic[/quote] ::) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 16:09:26 ivo / zwiebel / shock |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 16:14:23 anyway, it's so easy to misinterpret people or rephrase what they say. I could also say that i see brett's plan as following "we lynch rob today and if he's mafia we lynch cutz too. If rob's not mafia this only makes chances of cutz being mafia bigger so we'll lynch him anyway. So no matter what happens it's best to lynch them day 1 and day 2 as we've got at least one and possibly 2 mafia this way." Zwiebel, can you please say what the newbie lynch contradiction is? That i vote for a newbie? I've never said not to vote for a newbie i think. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 16:15:34 There's nothing wrong with voting for a newbie if he's mafia [smiley=lolk.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/07/10 at 16:16:24 Didn't really like Ivo's post, gonna leave my vote on him. I would say hard defense comes most often from a townie who really agrees with someone, or a seer. I guess I'm between cutz/Ivo right now, gonna stick with Ivo for the time being. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by RVZ on 12/07/10 at 16:31:45 Ivo is 100% town, and I thank him for saving my ass at the moment. If he would've been maf he obv didn't have this much problems for my lynch. I would've been an easy prey for him. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 16:33:38 If Ivo is maf, RVZ is maf. That link is kind of obvious for anyone who didn't form it in their minds. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 16:37:39 Honestly, I want to say RVZ / Ivo / (Shock, Cutz, Zwieb) right now as the mafia but it's too early to tell. I could place a vote on Ivo or RVZ now since that's what the town wants, but I want to still watch early suspects in the background. Zwieb is a much less maf lean right now for me but I'm not ready to say town. I'd probably say Neutral for him now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 16:42:20 i'm 100% town? I thought i was the only one who knew that? Oh, and 3 mafia dudes also know it, but i'm not really sure who they are yet. I don't like such posts at all actually. I would love to see some posts from honko again, really want to know how he looks upon all this. I also still don't get why padz should always be saved for later days. Like playing the troll on day 1 helps anything at all. At least i would be interested to see why he's such a great player as i don't remember it. Being good one game doesn't mean being good all games imo. I also like to hear what he thinks about the following stuff: Lynching what player does give us the most info? Is that player in your eyes also most likely to be mafia? I also like to see more from moon man, but i don't expect anything soon. Would be cool if he answered the above questions as well though. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 16:48:52 web, town wants me or rob as of now? Are you speaking for all of town? I don't think town has made a decision yet, and that mafia defo has a say in the votes as of now. We're nowhere near a majority yet. I'm basicly getting linked to rob because i've expressed for several pages that i see better options. Quote:
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 16:52:21 I'm just saying if you look at that post it looked a lot like RVZ giving a big thank you to his mafia buddy for bailing him out rather than a thanks for saving my ass type thing, you don't normally have that happen. Everyone who defends you isn't 100% town, some mafia could do that in order to look townier when the people they were defending are lynched. I may have been a little strong there, but it sure didn't help your case Ivo, and RVZ doesn't look any better. The town right now is split between arguing over whether they should lynch you for your posts earlier and your quick vote switches, or go back to the cutz vs RVZ debate, so I'd say they're kind of split on that decision and they have at least begun to limit it to that. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 17:12:03 082F3F24222B2B394A0 wrote:
Nah I disagree RVZ. Ivo is getting heat now, and if he saves you and we hit a maf with another lynch, he looks great. His defence of you pretty much amounts to "RVZ is town, im sure of it". I just cant tell if Ivo is maf saving his maf bud, or if he is maf latching on to make himself look good. This whole RVZ/Ivo thing is just sus as hell. They could both easily flip villa (as with anyone who appears hella wolfy. drag/vitor), but then again they do seem the most likely wolf pairing. Goddam, im gonna stick it out there. Ivootjes |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 17:22:29 that's what i get for saving a newbie townie, massive amounts of hate because i don't like the idea of voting someone of i don't think is mafia. Do you really think voting of me is better then rvz though? I thought you were part of the team that thought getting rid of experienced players on day one is a bad idea just like honko. I didn't make any mafioso posts too, i just defended someone and accused some. In other words, contributing to the topic on day one, which isn't done by half of the people. Don't like that honko stopped posting, he was just online in the irc chat. I'm still for the idea of getting rid of a less active player day one. We've got to aim for the people under the radar from the start on. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/07/10 at 17:23:11 Vote count: RVZ (3): Brett, Zwiebel, Honko Ivootjes(3): Thiradell, Zarkov, padz Cutz22(2): Ivootjes, Shock Zwiebel(1): Webinator Shock(1): RVZ I might be off, please double check my counting. (From page 10) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 17:23:44 I unvoted Zwiebel a post before Honko made his. He has no votes on him now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 17:26:07 another note, the mafia statistics page is up again: http://www.mariokart64.com/mk64/mafia.cgi If everybody correctly votes and unvotes in bold the stats page will see this and update the vote count, so please use that form to vote from now on. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 17:37:45 I'll be out for an hour, then I'll be back at about 9:30 PM to post some final thoughts and make a vote. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Zarkov on 12/07/10 at 17:40:46 "Hi, im The Gaff and ive forgotten about this game" Its bedtime for me. Im gonna go with my strongest suspect for my vote as I doubt il be awake before nightfall. unvote RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/07/10 at 17:45:13 I'll also be back in about 45 mins. - 1 hour. And for the record, your vote doesn't seem to have been noticed by the automatic score sheet, Zarkov. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 17:51:45 Ok, off to sleep now. I'll probably wake up before the day ends, but i also think it won't be soon enough to really change the vote at that time. If people really want to lynch me i've got to say this: 1: it's not the best idea to lynch one of your most active players day one already. 2: I've offered plenty of info on who i think are more mafialike and who are less. 3: I know rob really wel, and that's why i know exactly how he posts, and i also have an idea how he'd act when he would be mafia or town. Explains why i go by guts feeling 4: It's off course not just guts, i've also offered other alternatives that i tried to push but didn't work 5: Don't lynch someone just to get info, i've heard way too often "we've got to lynch him or him so we get all info on player c and d" The goal is to lynch mafia, and lynching the active players already on day one won't help a lot. It's still day one and lynching a less active player who contributed a lot of small useless things is still a better way to go day 1. My vote stays on cuts for now, good luck town and at least vote someone off, it's way too easy with just 3 votes on a single person for mafia to be to big of an influence on the voting. If i wake up tomorrow and see that me and rob are neck to neck i'll probably change to him anyway, lynching him is a lot better than lynching me off course. (at least from my perspective, i can be only sure from myself) Good night. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Ivootjes on 12/07/10 at 17:53:29 quick reply for zarkov: you've got to add vote in bold before your vote. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 18:15:59 Ok I'm back, sorry I didn't expect to be gone that long. So what are the votals now? 4 for RVZ and 2 for Ivo and Cutz? Man practically anyone can get lynched this day. I still think RVZ is the best lynch and one of the most suspicious. I don't like how Ivo has defended him though because apparently he can sense something in his post that says he's town. To me, RVZ's posts are kinda mafiaish, but the only thing I can see going for RVZ is why the hell would he throw in the towel like that if he was mafia? Those moves are more from frustrated town than mafia. Only other option I could see for RVZ's survival is me changing my vote to Cutz, who very well could be mafia as well. I don't know if Ivo is town or mafia but I would rather lynch Cutz than Ivo. Still gonna keep my vote on RVZ for the time being. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 18:18:34 So how come when I'm around this game moves at 1 post/hour, but when I leave for a bit we get 4 new pages? Minor stuff first... 437277696663130 wrote:
i dont like that honko and clark are staunchly against voting cutz but mainly it was a litmus test to see how ivo would respond since he pulled off cutz just because nobody else was voting[/quote] How does "I agree RVZ will give us more info than cutz so I'm willing to switch" translate into being staunchly opposed to voting cutz? 4B746D6D76686771020 wrote:
padz pretty much single-handedly won the kart/elite game that just finished. Besides that, I've seen him play other games and know he's got a better grasp of the game than most players here. I trust him to call people out on bullshit and ask the right questions. That's the kind of guy I want to keep in the game unless I become confident he's mafia. So far this game he's disappointing, even for day 1 where he usually isn't very serious, but I'm still not at all interested in risking a lynch on him this early. 19263F3F243A3523500 wrote:
I finished my work and started to catch up on the topic, then a friend called to go get some dinner so I left again. I'm back now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 18:25:14 @Brett: Plenty of people such as me, shock, and ivo have acknowledged that RVZ is probably just noob town. Why then do you single me out and decide that I am suspicious? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 18:35:25 Shock's posts, while his posts aren't very strong, seem like an honest townie to me, just with his tone in his posts and everything. Between Ivo and you it's close, but you've been slightly more suspicious. Thing with how you said it was that you made it sound like there's no possible way RVZ can be mafia and that he is a noob townie. Which IMO the only way you could be that confident is if you were mafia and know his exact alignment. Let me ask you something Cutz, who do YOU think we should lynch tonight? Shock? Ivo? Web? Someone else? I can't remember whether or not you posted your ideas other than saying that RVZ was town. Ivo has said many times that he'd prefer to vote for you or Shock with some valid reasoning. He very well could be mafia but I think of the three you are the most suspicious. I got to think about this...is RVZ a mafia or a really frustrated noob town? The way he threw in the towel at the end just doesn't fit in with something a mafia would do. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by thewebinator on 12/07/10 at 18:36:39 I'm back, and I really don't have anything new to add. Glad Honko posted, he was inactive for a while and helping the town. Tough call between RVZ, Ivo, and Cutz for me. I think for now I'm going to go for RVZ since he seems mafiish and useless, while Ivo is providing insight that might help us later. Vote : RVZ I think that's 5 votes on RVZ now. I'm off for the night, I probably wont be back on for the morning. Fight the wolf power, brother! ;D |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 18:44:23 I'll be back within an hour. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 18:48:30 1A272A2D3A3C3E32480 wrote:
Shock seems to be fluffing and making weak assertions based on "feeling" with no other evidence. We can dispute him, but he's not too relevant right now. I've never claimed 100% certainty that RVZ is town, but I am confident in that read because he matches all the characteristics I know a noob town to have. My opinion for the lynch? Ivo. His odd and contradictory remarks on a potential RVZ lynch, as well as unwillingness to lay votes on me until padz did doesn't sit well with me. Plus look at his latest post, even as he actively wants me gone, he says we shouldn't lynch active players, and I'm certainly one of the more active players today. I also don't understand his want to lynch me when he agrees that Rob is prob town. He's a barrel of contradictions. Ivootjes |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 19:13:33 Now the important stuff. This explosion of activity has defeated the original purpose of this lynch: to get information. The Web/RVZ theory is weak. It was weak from the beginning, but it was worth pursuing because there really wasn't anything else to go on. Now all of a sudden we have 5+ pages of solid analysis and back-and-forth over several different lynch candidates. No matter who we lynch, we're going to have info to work with tomorrow thanks to amount of posts we have to work with from the past few hours. Someone who has been talking will be either confirmed town or confirmed mafia, and we can look at who they suspected, who suspected them, who avoided them, etc. So basing our lynch solely on the Web/RVZ connection no longer makes much sense, because that's really not much better than any of the other connections we'll be able to look at tomorrow. Instead, we need to just focus on lynching the person we're most confident is scum. For me, that's between Zwiebel and Ivo. So far Zwiebel's done an excellent job this game of pretending to contribute. He had the list post which several of us called him out on, but since then he's done more of the same: copying others' reasoning, and refusing to take a hard stance. He makes a big post where he repeats others' reasoning against Web, Brett, RVZ, and Shock and adding absolutely nothing new to the discussion of any of them. His only new idea is against Ivo, and it's this "voting out a newbie contradiction" that he keeps bringing up. Fair enough, bringing up a contradiction. But he never does anything about it, and never digs any deeper into Ivo, even when Ivo makes some really bad posts. He votes Web a couple posts later, but then takes it off 20 minutes later to jump on the RVZ wagon, just quoting someone else's reasoning and saying "Great idea!" That's enough for him to make my list, but then his posts during this whole business really hammer it home. While (almost) everyone else has been actually making points, this is all he's had to say: 664B55595E59503C0 wrote:
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The first two are obvious "look at me, I'm here, commenting on relevant things without actually saying anything!" posts. All three of them set him up perfectly for tomorrow. If RVZ is scum, he looks good for being on him. If RVZ is town, he says "well I was never sure, and anyway I warned him to talk more" and looks good for that. As for Ivo... Ivo's problems have mostly already been pointed out, but let me organize it a bit for myself at least. 6C534A4A514F4056250 wrote:
Unvotes cutz simply because nobody else is on him. Even though he just agreed with my post saying you should always have a vote down at this point and there's plenty of time to still convince people of your suspicions. This would be a bad play from someone who doesn't know better, but Ivo does know better and does it anyway. Running out of characters so I can't quote many other posts, but you can check them for yourself. His next post is a big defense of RVZ and deflection onto pretty much every other suspect. Then he pulls his VOTE SHOCK UNVOTE VOTE CUTZ trick, which I don't even really need to comment on. Simply a terrible bandwagony move from someone who isn't a noob and should therefore know this will only hurt town. The rest of his posts are more of the same. Defend RVZ, defend RVZ, deflect, deflect, deflect onto whoever else is around. If anyone is playing the "defend a townie so you look good later" game here, it's Ivo. It's between him and Zwiebel for me. More confident on Ivo though simply because he'd be better than this if he were town. Unvote Vote: Ivo |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/07/10 at 19:21:39 I'm going to bed soon, I won't be up before nightfall, and I don't have the inspiration to give a long post, so I'll keep this nice and short: Unvote Vote Ivootjes |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 19:26:47 Honko, if you can tell me who we will get information on if Ivo gets lynched then I'll vote for him. You bring up a lot of good points against him and Ivo isn't one to play badly. I would go through and look at everything he's said, I just don't think I have the time to and I haven't really been following the Ivo train that much. Also Shock, that vote looks so much like a bandwagon that it isn't even funny. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by cutz22 on 12/07/10 at 19:31:13 Going to sleep. Wont be able to post until usual time. GL everyone. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/07/10 at 19:33:22 Yeah, I know. If it's needed, I can expound on it tomorrow, but I am too tired to type up anything tonight. I'll try to get on tomorrow again at 7 EST. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 19:34:07 Day will be over by then. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 19:36:53 It tells us about RVZ, obviously. It tells us about Zwiebel, who has been hounding Ivo all day but without giving any reasoning except the "newbie contradiction." It tells us about padz. Ivo's probably the person padz has commented the most on / talked the most with. And it tells us about everyone who is voting for Ivo, and everyone who was at one point but isn't anymore, and everyone who has seen his posts and sort of ignored them. If he's town, any bandwagon votes on Ivo with poor reasoning look very bad. If he's mafia, whoever really pushed for his lynch early on looks very good, and whoever tried to obviously avoid it looks bad. This is the point I was making in my first post. There is so much interaction that has happened in the last few pages that no matter who we lynch, we can get quite a bit from it. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Shock on 12/07/10 at 19:37:51 Then you'll have to decide whether I'm bandwagging or telling the truth when I say I'm fucking tired and not looking forward to class tomorrow morning. :P |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 19:47:01 Ok Honko, what you say makes sense. Earlier I actually thought a few of Ivo's posts kinda had a mafia tone to them, but I couldn't figure out what it was. It was just a gut feeling that instantly hit me whenever I'd read one of his posts. I didn't really press this issue because there were bigger fish to fry at the time as this was around the time that RVZ had a good amount of votes on him. I kinda mentioned it but with RVZ and Cutz being paired it seemed like one of those two would be a better lynch. Unvote Vote: Ivo. I hope you're right Honko. I'll be around for a little while longer but once I leave there's no way I can get back on in time for the EOD. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 19:49:26 On a side note, I just realized that the mafia chart shows that Moon Man still has his vote on Tom. Last second Tom lynch, anyone? [smiley=roll.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 19:49:49 I hope so too. I'll be on for at least 3-4 more hours, and probably till close to end of day, although I imagine there won't be many others around then anyway. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 19:58:40 Heh I won't be on for that long, maybe 2 hours at best. I think we're the only two that are still on Honko. Do you know what the votals as of now are? If not, I can go figure them out. I would just use the mafia tool but that has missed a lot of votes like Clark's vote for example. Can't imagine many Euro's will be back by the end of the day. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 20:00:38 I don't know the votals offhand, no. If you wanna tally them that'd be good. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 20:05:29 705B5C405D320 wrote:
comedy honk is maf |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 20:06:31 Ivootjes(6): Thiradell, padz, Cutz, Honko, Shock, Brett RVZ (3): Zwiebel, Zarkov, Web Cutz22(1): Ivootjes Shock(1): RVZ This is what I got, so if I did it right, Ivo needs one more vote for a lynch. Normally I'd retract my vote but seeing as there is 6 hours left in the day and that it will probably be a dead 6 hours (aside from maybe the last one of some Euro's wake up), I think I'll keep my vote on. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/07/10 at 20:08:10 I went to my room and started to wank, then the dean called and said I'm expelled so I left again. I'm back now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 20:22:17 incoming zwiebel wagon hammer |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 20:40:31 1A253C3C27393620530 wrote:
<ivo> how can this be i pretended to be towny imo and everything 1A253C3C27393620530 wrote:
<ivo> i called pads sus and a troll but honko didnt buy it :( :( :( 1A253C3C27393620530 wrote:
yes i recall you saying that earlier 1A253C3C27393620530 wrote:
what if scum is already voting???? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 20:42:53 (meaning scum was voting at that time. obv everyone except moon man has a legit vote now) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 21:01:04 Seriously what has Moon Man done all game besides nothing? I mean it's almost the end of D1 and he still has a vote on Tom ffs. He's claimed excuses several times to buy himself extra time, and his latest says that he'll start to contribute on Thursday. So he really better start contributing on D2. Can't wait to see if Ivo really is mafia or not. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by padz on 12/07/10 at 21:22:40 moon man, to everyones chagrin, is probably town |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Moon Man on 12/07/10 at 23:37:53 VOTE IVO |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Brett on 12/07/10 at 23:45:50 You sure Padz? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Honko on 12/08/10 at 00:08:07 Pretty sure that's 7 votes, so I'm locking this until Tom gets here (in 2 weeks). |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by The Gaff on 12/08/10 at 01:36:21 Thanks Honko. It was a quiet day in the village until they all heard the news of Toms death. Rumors’ flew around like wildfire and a lynch mob formed in the middle of the Village. The mob was made up of the village elders and the most important people. They carried with them pitch forks and other medieval weaponry. Who had killed Tom? Eventually they decided it had to be Ivootjes. They circled Ivootjes and set on them. It was a bloody morning in the village. Ivootjes was Town. Night 1: Please send me your night actions. Night 1 will finish in 24hours*. *If I receieve all of the actions prior to this then I might start the next day slightly earlier (yet you will still get the 48hr days ontop) just to keep the game ticking over. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - NIGHT 1 Post by The Gaff on 12/09/10 at 01:10:38 Safely knowing that the murderer was dealt with earlier in the day Padz went for a walk to the next town to pick up the Blackberries they were going to use to make some Jam to sell at the village market. The sun went down and the trees loomed over the dusty track. There was a chill in the air. Suddenly from no-where a large shadow was cast behind Padz and he turned only to see the large set of teeth biting down on his face. He tried to fight off the beast but couldn’t grip the wirey fur. The kill was near instant but the feeding lasted a looooong time. Padz died in the night. He was a Villager. Day 2 Begins Now and will last 48 hours unless a majority is reached. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zarkov on 12/09/10 at 01:56:44 o, Ivo and padz both town. Yet another in a long line of "the hell, how?". Well for Ivo really. Padz, although inactive, didnt strike me as maf. To me, this clears RVZ's name somewhat as Ivo was RVZ's biggest defender. Ivo wouldnt of been doing all that defending to a maf buddy. Gonna re-read over the last few pages knowing now that Ivo was town. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Ivootjes on 12/09/10 at 02:42:42 good luck town :) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/09/10 at 03:34:24 Meh, RVZ's throwing in the towel reaction doesn't seem like a mafiaish move to me. I think it was more of a frustrated townie move. What REALLY annoys me right now is Moon Man's vote there. He's posted no more than 10 times all game, and his posts were either joke posts like voting for Tom, or posts saying he'll be back at such and such a time. Then he shows up right at the end of the day to cast an almost meaningless vote on Ivo, when he was gonna meet the noose anyway. Doesn't sit well with me at all. Vote: Moon Man. I'll be around for like 15 minutes. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Moon Man on 12/09/10 at 04:33:48 Yeah brett, next time i have exams, and a mafia game goes on at the same time, i'll make sure to bunk them just for you. Then the fact the "joke" post was in the first page, and everyone knows the first page is normally waffle. You also dont mention the fact that Zarkov had joke posts with the Zarkov4 bullshit. You either didnt think about that Brett, or you and/or Zarkov are mafia and are going to try and get me lynched. Vote: Brett |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by RVZ on 12/09/10 at 05:20:35 I fucking knew it! Too bad Ivo :( This padz lynch I also find a bit weird. Lynching an inactive player, hmm? I try to figure that move out a little. Shock and Moon Man's suddenly vote change at the end also is :-? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/09/10 at 07:51:47 D2 and 2 Townies dead...let's see where this brings us. Firstly I'd like to analyze 2 of Honko's posts: Quote:
Pretty much defending Padz, who turned out to be Townie. The reasoning for that is that he's a good player based on the last game he won. Padz' got lynched by Mafia now, did Honko want to get rid of a very good Town player? With defending him he wouldn't look that bad if he turned out Town now. And in addition, with voting Ivo, he could have gotten rid of 2 good Town players in 1 night. Quote:
That's him speaking of an Ivo Lynch. So, that's what we have left: RVZ looks Town, since he was defending Ivo. I'm looking sus because I was going after Ivo from the beginning and padz' is dead and Town. so I'm the one he'll be going after and RVZ is cleared. Could be a pretty good plan, if RVZ is Mafia. No one would come to the idea of Honko and RVZ being Mafia, since RVZ defended Ivo and Honko was going for Ivo's lynch. Pretty good situation on D2 for them. Now an RVZ posts: Quote:
I wouldn't call that padz' lynch weird, as I just stated. Brett also stated the Moon Man & Shock vote change without reasoning, so that's nothing new. Useless post again. "I'm n00b, let me live" is that your tactic? Rest of RVZ's posts are kind of not really useful as well, so I won't quote more of them. He didn't contribute much yesterday and still that has not changed and will probably not change. I wouldn't give up going for RVZ for the moment. Ivo did trust him, but everyone can be fooled. I'll do some things, probably back in an hour or so. I'll probably have a look at shock and moon man then. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/09/10 at 09:15:53 320B111603090710620 wrote:
You have to agree though Moon Man, that you have said pretty much nothing in this whole game and that this obviously makes you look bad, so accusing you is just normal or do you have another opinion about that? He didn't say you're 100% Mafia. And I don't see your point in the connection of Zarkov and Brett, Brett probably didn't mention him because he made some effort in writing something to help Town, you didn't. My vote goes to Honko though, for the moment. Vote Honko |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Honko on 12/09/10 at 09:15:54 053C2621343E3027550 wrote:
Exams explains your inactivity, but it doesn't explain why you decided to come back and vote Ivo with no explanation. The fact you didn't say anything with your vote either means you didn't actually read what was happening so you couldn't comment (in which case why are you voting) or you did read it but chose not to comment (which is very scummy). So far voting Ivo is the only thing you've contributed to this game, and it's not a good thing. And voting Brett there is also pretty bad. It's not day 1 anymore, you can't just countervote and run off. 664B55595E59503C0 wrote:
Yeah padz is a good player, that's common knowledge to most people in this game, and indeed is probably why he's dead. Although padz actually looked bad when Ivo flipped town, considering he hadn't done much yet except attack Ivo at the end of the day, so I'm a little surprised by the kill. He might have been a suspect today if he were still alive. As for Ivo, I legitimately thought he was scum, and I think I explained my reasons pretty well yesterday. The fact that two good town players are dead is definitely bad news for us and good news for mafia, but that alone doesn't tell us much. We need to look at them individually, what can we learn about people from Ivo's lynch and padz' death. 664B55595E59503C0 wrote:
You do look sus, not just because you were going after Ivo from the beginning, but because you did so with weak reasoning and without ever really putting yourself into it. It's a common mafia strat, to put some slight suspicion on someone and then hope someone else picks up on it and builds the case for you. You start a lynch without having to really do much work, and mafia hates doing work. You left off the last part of my post though, which is at least as important. The lynch tells us about everyone who voted Ivo (especially with poor reasoning) and everyone who didn't (especially if they said he was scummy but then voted someone else, since that encourages the lynch without the downside of showing up on the votals). You're not my only suspect today, there are plenty of people who need a closer look now that we know Ivo was town. Moon Man is obviously a big one, but I'm sure there are others. Unfortunately I have a final this afternoon, I'll be at work this evening, and I've got another final in the morning to study for, so I'm not gonna be around as much as I'd like today. I'll try to find some time tonight to look back at day 1 and see who I think is worth a close look. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/09/10 at 09:22:40 49706A6D78727C6B190 wrote:
This reaction makes me raise an eyebrow. If you really were town and had exams, why react so strongly? Plus, I don't even follow your logic. You replied to a vote against you in the first part of the day with apparent frustration and lack of tact. If you were town, you would either let the comment go, or reasonably defend yourself. With this post, not only do you do neither of these, you do quite the opposite. I think you are mafia; show me otherwise. Vote MoonMan As for my alleged bandwagoning, if I were mafia, why would I post the way I did? That would have been a very non-intelligent move on my part, and although I admit my posts are weak, I would not make that kind of mistake. I had my reasons behind my post, and I was simply too tired to iterate them, and the day was coming to a close. I still definitely have/had my suspicions on Cutz, but Ivo seemed to me at the time the better vote. Right now though, I am definitely going with Moon Man. Modified to rid the bold in the quote. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/09/10 at 09:32:49 000F05180B0D140F0504040F610 wrote:
Well, you could be acting the way you did to make us think you're n00b town anyway. About the vote, I think Moon Man's vote was far worse than your's, but if you had the time to write " I have no time to give more informations blabla" you could have written a small explanation as well. At least you now wrote something useful about Moon Man, even if that was sort of mentioned in Honko's and my post as well. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Moon Man on 12/09/10 at 09:46:14 I have had exams for this whole week, so mafia or not, i could not post to the standard you guys expect me to. Quote:
Is that question for me? I dont recall calling anyone bandwagoning. And the quote of me doesn't call anyone directly a band wagoner. Quote it if you want, but i didnt call you or anyone out for bandwagoning. I only gave a very stupid suggestion. I personally think Brett is mafia. How would i know if you (Shock) were defending him? It wouldn't be hard persuading everyone to vote me since i am a n00bish villager. Then ofcourse if you fucked up and i appear town (which it will apear as if you guys lynch me), then you could just as well say he was act mafia and no one would relise it. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 10:09:03 Just got back. The lynch I think throws Zwiebel back into the mafia discussion really, as I've had an uneasiness about all of his posts, plus he was all over Ivo, probably the most out of anyone. I'll hold my vote until I read the posts that have happened today. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 10:14:18 As of right now, I think it would be a really bad choice to lynch Honko Zwiebel. He's one of the best townies right now in terms of contribution and getting the town on focus. Your posts have been targeting Ivo and me mostly, but honestly i don't think you've contributed much. As you were one of the first for the Ivo lynch and he turned up town, I'll do this. Explain your Honko vote to me, I honestly have no idea why you'd do that on D2. Vote : Zwiebel |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/09/10 at 10:14:25 That question was rhetorical. I'm not defending Brett, and I'm not defending anybody. I'm reading your reaction, and I see wolf behind it, so I'm pointing it out. Further, your last post reads generally as "Oh man, I'm messing up. I need to make a decent post and get on better defensive grounds." I see this in the fact that now you tried to analyze my post and speak like a normal townie. Even then you did not post much weight against me. Then, you iterated twice that if you die, we will all find out you are surely town. A useless display. Also, at the very beginning you again played the "exams" card. I know you're telling the truth about the exams, but that isn't going to change my mind about whether you're mafia or not. These are the defenses of either noob town or mafia. And based on your reaction to the post before this one, I have reason to believe you are mafia. If you think Brett is mafia, give me reason then to be more suspicious of him than you. Right now, I see little more than grounds of "He voted me, I need to shift the heat to him." |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/09/10 at 10:15:12 Post hopefully obviously directed at Moon Man. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 10:26:56 ^^it was an obvious crossvote that shows Moon Man actually doesn't care about the outcome of the game. Thing that sucks about that is the fact that he could just be throwing it as town and we could waste a mislynch on him. I don't think that it's safe to do that when there are equally suspicious people that are making a conscious effort to play the game. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/09/10 at 10:31:46 7C6E6962656A7F64793A3F0B0 wrote:
I already told my thoughts in my last posts, there isn't much more to say about my Tom vote. Tom is a good player (I think we agree on this) so he wouldn't slip easily. We have to look at everything now, since another mislynch will make it really hard for Town to win this game. So why not pressuring him? Just going into one direction will more likely lead to a mislynch again, so I thought I could press Tom a bit. Putting a vote on someone doesn't have to mean that you want to lynch him directly, lol. Lynching early today would be pretty stupid anyway unless there is an obvious slip by someone. Edited to Unbold the vote part of the quote |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 10:33:38 I was just saying that Honko (which I think is the person you mean lol) looks like one of the towniest players right now, when you have others who don't as much, like Cutz, Shock, you, RVZ, me, etc. Why not get their reactions on the NK first? I know it wasn't necessarily your final decision, but it just struck me as a little odd. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/09/10 at 10:39:40 Lol yeah, I meant Honko of course. And surely I want to hear the reactions of all the others, but when I saw that Ivo lynch (Town) / Padz NK combination that theorie occured in my mind and I thought to share it. Why not now then, the earlier I state this, the earlier others can state their opinion about it. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Moon Man on 12/09/10 at 10:41:15 The reason is that alot of the sutff they have claimed, for example Quote:
Hmm i wonder why i havnt posted much during this game? ::) Quote:
Again, he knows why but still thinks its a valid point on why i could be mafia. Quote:
One joke post, and on the firs tpage. Then not mentioning the fact Zarkov has had more (not saying he is mafia), but if he wants to bring me up on the seriousness of posts, on the first page, then i'll let him. Quote:
Again this part going with, "He's posted no more than 10 times all game" makes no sense to me. Anyone could see that why bother mentioning the amount of times i posted, when he later on posts why i havnt been posting. I even go on to say later that i wont be porperly posting after my exams as i dont want to get into anything deep, with a response of complaint that i couldnt say anything useful till day 2. Another thing, is the odd thing about me voting for IVO, even though he was dead for sure. Then does it matter? Couldn't i have just been hurrying the game along? Why wait like 6 hours, or until the seventh vote, when i can just vote and end the day? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 10:49:31 You have a big hole to dig yourself out of moon man, and not a lot of that evidence helped you. How can you say you've only had one joke post? Especially not giving any reason for bandwagoning on Ivo after being absent the entire day. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Moon Man on 12/09/10 at 10:57:47 4456515A5D52475C410207330 wrote:
Again, would it have mattered if i "bandwagoned" or not. It would have achieved the same result, IVO dead and padz dead. Nothing would have gotten him out of it, and i simply ended the day alot quicker. Though i like you're theory about my play style on being town. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 12:01:22 Where did I say that? I'm pretty sure you're Jamie, right? And you were Tommy in DK mafia? Because if so, you played exactly like this and were mafia, killed on D2. EDIT - hahaha two of my posts earlier, wow I'm not perceptive. I was just stating that it might be a mistake to lynch you right now due to it being safer to lynch others, but if you continue to play like this you should be lynched. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/09/10 at 12:18:28 Moon Man = Jamie? Never knew that. But seriously dude, your play so far has been one of the worst I've ever seen, seriously. You've made a few posts, but I can think of at least two posts where you said you'd be back in 8 hours, and then that you'd be back on Thursday. Basically that second one rubs off on me as more of a "please don't lynch me D1 I'll be more active D2" type of play, which doesn't sit very well especially with me. Now, we all have lives and none of us can watch over this topic every single second of the day, but you randomly showed up with like 3 hours in the day to vote Ivo, and you gave no reason at all to do so. You've posted by far the least out of everyone in the game and your posts aren't that high in quality. Then all I do is put a vote on you with my reasons explained, and you follow up with a weak attack on me and throw a vote in my direction. Sounds like you aren't staying calm when being attacked, which is something a mafia is more likely to do. Just from my past experiences. It seems to me that you've been monitoring this topic for a while, and that you are afraid to post and bring new discussion to the table. It looks like to me you are trying very hard not to make mistakes and that you are trying to avoid any and all forms of discussion by saying how to have to leave for 2 days and what not, but in doing this you are offering very little information to town and your reaction to my vote on you hasn't made me feel any better about you. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zarkov on 12/09/10 at 12:31:00 162F3532272D2334460 wrote:
That is a terrible thing to say when youre the main lynch suspect day 2. Ending a day early is never good. The hammer vote always looks a little sus even with a lot of reasoning to go with it. The fact you just hammered with just the vote is uber scummy. You hadnt posted any reasoning on why you voted Ivo, you just did. So to us it just looks like youve thought to yourself "1 vote left, I know he is town. Hammer it" Wouldnt you say so yourself? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Moon Man on 12/09/10 at 12:33:47 I wouldn't know whether he was town or not zarkov, im not exactly mafia am I. It may seem futile, but i agree with web, "he could just be throwing it as town and we could waste a mislynch on him." |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 12:39:46 hahaha now you're trying to take something I said and throw it back into my face. Putting it that way is making me way more suspicious of you, I was stating that as a possibility not as fact. It's a riskier lynch than if we have a scummier person (which isn't at the current time but since there is still about 37 hours left stuff could develop), but you are easily the scummiest now. Trying to take a possibility and turn it into your only defense is really weak. Really weak. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 12:40:45 Also, why would you just admit to us now that you're throwing the game? That's exactly what my quote said, and the fact that you're posting now shows that you actually want to defend yourself. Man you are so scummy, but I just have a gut feeling it's going to be a noob town slap in the face. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 14:11:11 A lot of people haven't posted yet today and it's been 12 hours, so it would be nice if we can get some activity in here. I'm quadruple or triple posting but each is separated by an hour or so. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/09/10 at 15:21:55 Cutz is online since a long time- no post on D2 yet Shock was online and didn't say anything before he left even though he was online for quiet a time RVZ was online for a short time- no post on D2 The rest is pretty quiet...what's up there? I needa go to sleep now anyway, but I guess activity will increase tomorrow. Or when I'm asleep. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 15:27:50 Yep, I've seen cutz posting, I'm sure others are on as well but I can't be bothered to check their profiles to see last logons. For now though, I'll unvote. I'm really tempted to vote Moon Man but I'll wait for the others' reactions. Also take into note padz's and Ivo's posts before they died, we can probably get a lot of info from that. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/09/10 at 15:50:05 Wow, no kidding it has been rather quiet in the town tonight. I'm surprised my computer didn't shut off when I went to school... I left my browser open, which is probably why it said I was online the whole time. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 15:59:11 So what are your thoughts on the day Shock? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Thiradell on 12/09/10 at 17:21:21 The difference between your posts and Zarkov's, Moon, is that in addition to many joke posts, Zarkov has had many serious posts and is making an effort to help the town win. You have nothing but joke posts/fluff/self-defense/accusing Brett because he accused you. And apparently you majority lynched Ivo because he was one vote away and there was no point in using the remaining six hours of the day. This is 100% bandwagon which will never help the town. Are you just gonna wait and hope somebody else gets targeted on day 2 and then make the final vote for them? Moon seems like mafia to me. School is really busy for me right now too, that doesn't mean I have to study for tests 24/7 (would drive me crazy). Not that hard to get on for 30 minutes and make some sort of contribution (although he seems a lot more interested in posting now that he's getting looked at a lot). Moon Man I'm fairly suspicious of Zwiebel although I do like his attitude so far, the idea of the Honko post being to pursue other trains of thought. If we have another mislynch today we can't have another one for the rest of the game, unless the doctor saves someone, so we need to look at other things beyond Moon Man, which is all a lot of people are doing right now. That being said, web pointed out that there are lots of other people who don't look as good as Honko right now. I agree, I don't think there's enough to target him at this point. I am waiting to hear from Honko but I think there'll be more to look at after day 2 is over; for now I think we can focus on other things. Brett/Zarkov are frighteningly like-minded today. They both cleared RVZ in their first posts and continued pressing Moon Man in their second posts, which came 13 minutes apart. They were two of the most active people on day 1 and have each made two posts in a day that's been going for 16 hours. Just looks really weird. Gotta have more/something from cutz/RVZ/Shock today. Shock had a few posts but they're also just targeting Moon Man. I like web asking him what his thoughts are, because he needs to say more about something. It doesn't really help us to do nothing but press Moon Man all day, whether he's mafia or not. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Thiradell on 12/09/10 at 17:22:43 Er, that is, Vote Moon Man |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 17:26:06 That's 3 on Moon Man, watch the Majority Lynch, we still have a lot of time left in Day 2. Maj Lynch is 6 now? or is it 5? EDIT - Yeah, it's 6. Halfway there and only about half the town has said anything. Don't push the lynch without gathering information. (Even if it's hammering because you want to end the day and not use the last valuable six hours :P) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by cutz22 on 12/09/10 at 17:32:17 Well, it's hard for me to make any post with any sort of substance since rarely anything new has come up today. Everything about moon man has been said and he's obviously the biggest suspect, though I think Zwiebel and Shock need to be examined more closely, especially following Shock's vote on ivo with no justification. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 17:34:23 Here's the point. Moon Man is the most obvious scum in the town right now, and if the day was ending right now he'd be the lynch. But all everyone is coming in and saying is "Moon Man is sus I'm going to vote", voting him, and then leaving. We need analysis on the rest of the town. Imo, I want to hear Shock, Cutz, and RVZ all talk since they were major targets on D1 and have said little to nothing today. Honko did give an excuse for not being here today and he is being sorely missed right now for direction. Also Brett, who are your main targets besides Moon Man now that RVZ isn't lynched? What is your opinion on your accusations yesterday? My most sus right now are Cutz / Shock / Zwieb / Moon or RVZ, since I believe one of them is noob town and the other is fail maf. (Hopefully both aren't noob town xD). A lot of people that were throwing around stuff on D1 have disappeared D2, and 16 hours in that's kinda unacceptable. I'll be on until at least 1 or 2 AM EST due to not having school tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 17:35:31 01202E2708203D2B20214F0 wrote:
What is your opinion on the NK of padz, or the other possible lynches? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by cutz22 on 12/09/10 at 17:42:36 Well Padz has been known to be useful in causing maf to fuck up with his bloatedly aggressive play, as shown in the past game, so I don't find his kill to be surprising, perhaps similar to that of MVTs in the past game? Also worth noting that he pushed a Ivo/Zwiebel/Shock maf trio, and while obviously Ivo was proven to be town, I have stated that Shock and Zwiebel are both sus, so it's worth noting. Other possible lynches...are there any? ;D As stated, Zwiebel and Shock are my other suspects but beyond that moon man is the only obvious choice as of now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Thiradell on 12/09/10 at 18:01:26 What do you think about Brett and Zarkov, cutz? (or web, or anyone) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 18:06:32 Zarkov and Brett both came on D1 strong with accusations, but are both completely absent from this day. Zarkov ended up voting RVZ (I believe), and had a strong case on him so I would like to see if he still believes it and we should pursue an RVZ lynch. Brett, after coming out with a case against me and later cutz and RVZ, switched his vote pretty easily to Ivo without much of his own insight and kind of following Honko. This day he's kinda inactive, and I want to see what he thinks about me, cutz, and RVZ today and if he still believes what he did before. Good to see there's a little action in the town though, I was getting bored talking to myself ;D. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 18:09:29 On leans, Brett looks a little more mafiaish then Zarkov, but I don't think either are in the bottom four. The thing about that is, that would mean that those four would all be obvious mafia, and I don't think that's the case. So most likely one of the good contributors is being a good mafia player, which is where we can go and pursue the lynches like Honko. I think we should get a mafia out of the way that's easier to weed out though instead of potentially mislynching another very good town contributor (Ivo and padz). I would much rather mislynch a crap townie than a good one. (haha that's a really obvious statement) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Thiradell on 12/09/10 at 18:31:40 I agree with you though. Mislynching Honko could put us in serious hot water at this point, where mislynching Moon is just bad. Yeah, Brett was wishy-washy but that could be just day 1 where you can't be sure of much. He seems sure about Moon right now, maybe that's a good thing. Still strangely inactive in my opinion, as he was constantly posting about when he was leaving and when he'd be getting back yesterday and still posted 55 times. I may be back later tonight (going to a poker tournament, so not sure how long it'll take), tomorrow I'll be fairly busy but should be able to check in intermittently. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/09/10 at 21:31:43 I thought I could be up longer, but it's not the case. I'm really tired for some reason, so I'm going to bed, I'll be up probably around 9-10 EST for the events for nightfall. Not going to place a vote since there's not much to vote on other than Moon Man, and I don't feel comfortable with giving him 4/6 of the majority votes. One thing making me think he's mafia is that mafia would have probably tried to maybe push this a little more, but I might just be too tired to think straight, which isn't good with these types of games. D2 so far has been really weak. I want to see some accusations being thrown around when I'm on tomorrow. Almost halfway done, and here are the post counts. thewebinator...17 Zwiebel...........6 Moon Man.......5 Shock..............4 Thiradell..........4 Zarkov............2 Brett...............2 cutz22............2 Honko.............1 RVZ.................1 Looking at the list, RVZ and cutz, two of the main suspects posted under 3 times today. We need activity. Honestly, this is really bad for the town, and the mafia members are eating this up. I know we don't have Ivo and padz, two of the guys that would be leading the town right now, but we really need to get focused. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Honko on 12/09/10 at 23:56:03 Sorry I haven't had time to really go back and analyze day 1 yet. I'm kind of disappointed nobody else has really tried to step up though. I'm not the only person in the game who is capable of looking through day 1 posts. Don't just wait around for me to show up and tell you what to do. Mafia thrives on inactivity like this. A good start would be if someone could tally up the full votals for yesterday, especially on Ivo, including people who later unvoted. The votes don't tell us very much on their own, but it gives us a good reference at least. Here are some thoughts from the last few pages of the day, after Ivo made the voting flip-flop that pretty much got him lynched. These aren't complete, but they're a start. Web states a mafia lean on Ivo but doesn't put a vote down. Later votes RVZ, and explains his choice pretty well. No real problem here. Ivo names his suspects as "Cutz, Shock, Zwiebel, Padz. In that order." We should keep in mind that since Ivo is now confirmed to be town, it means we can listen to his suspicions with a little less reservation than we would anyone else. He's not necessarily right, but at least we know he was being honest. I also had some suspicions of Cutz earlier on day 1, so he's definitely someone we should look into closer today. Brett points out Ivo's wafflevote but waits a long time before he finally votes him near the end of the day. This would be fishy except Brett explains his reasons about pretty much everything he does quite well at the end of the day. I'd say Brett looks best of the people who were around at the time, despite being the one who really sealed Ivo's lynch by changing his vote. Third gets on Ivo with rather weak reasoning initially, but backs it up better later. Zwiebel, as I mentioned yesterday, continues bringing up one rather outdated argument against Ivo but doesn't really comment on anything new and sticks with his vote on RVZ. He's someone I really would like to pressure today but I don't think I'll be around at the same time he is. RVZ says Ivo is 100% town. Don't really like this. Only mafia knows who is town 100%, and while he may not have meant it literally, it's still a bit suspicious. Zarkov votes Ivo and says he's gonna "stick it out." Half an hour later he switches to RVZ and leaves. Another case of pushing a lynch without ending up on it. Shock is around this whole time going after cutz, but never comments on Ivo once. Votes for him and leaves, without ever explaining his reasoning. Probably the scummiest vote of them all, because he was definitely around when Ivo was actually doing the things that got him lynched and never commented. If he really thought Ivo was the best choice of the day, he would have at least said SOMETHING about him when Ivo was actually around. Instead he ignores Ivo completely until the lynch becomes viable. Moon Man obviously a bad vote. I wouldn't say it's as bad as Shock's, but still, scummy move from someone who's contributed almost nothing. Shock's the winner here, I think. Bad vote on someone he never commented on, plus those scummy things he said early on day 1, plus being 2nd on Ivo's suspect list. Add it up and you get my top priority for the day. Vote: Shock I've got a 7am final tomorrow and then work, but I'll definitely be around more in the late afternoon and evening. In the meantime, DO NOT just sit around and wait for things to happen. We need a good lynch today, and there are plenty of candidates that should be looked at, so put some pressure on them and see what you get. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zarkov on 12/10/10 at 00:43:50 Its between Moon Man and Shock for me. Ivo being town has done alot in convincing me RVZ is town as they both so fervently (sp) defended each other. RVZ saying "im 100%" town could be down to speaking outside of the thread. Which tbh is nothing big as most of us do it anyway. (can see the irony if bringing up the "im 100% town thing" lol) Though RVZ hasntbeen around much today to follow up on that. Although he is still on my radar, other people are bigger suspects. That post of Moon Mans I mentioned earlier is one of the reasons, plus his hammer vote which seems orchestrated by someone imo. As in "quick get on him" kinda thing. Much like Wheat did in the last game. Moon has used the excuse "why the hell does not posting mean im auto maf?" a few times. It means that as most maf are the lower post count posters. We are just using association to pin it on you. Shock Day 2 as has solely been going after Moon Man (which always gonna be the way for town) but he is just reiterating points people have made already. There isnt a whole lot to go on with Moon Man apart from the main hammer vote, but he isnt even exploring other avenues. He thinks Moon Man is the way to go from a towns point of view, but almost too much. Like he knows something we dont. Cutz has also been odd with his "everything has been said already, so ive got nothing to add" post. Typical of the "gotta post something to look active" way of thinking. Not hugely on my gaydar though. Another thing which has struck me is how Web, though subtley, has always pointed out Honko is a good town player worth keeping around. Honko is a very good player yes, which means he is easily capable of blending in with town. Im of the opnion that one of the better players is also maf alongside two of the main suspects. Something along the lines of Moon Man / Shock / Honko, or Zweibel / Shock / Web. Im just throwing it out there, and have no real reason to suspect Honko or Web as mafia apart from the fact they can both blend in easily, and most of the mafia play looks coordinated by someone better. Im gonna leave my vote for now as there are already a couple of people on Moon Man, and I dont want the day ending early by a bandwagoner. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/10/10 at 02:34:30 Look guys, sorry for being so "inactive", but I've been quite busy today and I think I explained my reasons on voting quite well. It just so happened that when I was around that there was almost no action going on so there really wasn't much to say. Web, you mentioned something about you wanting to hear about my main mafia suspects besides Moon Man. Well, I'd honestly have to agree with you for the most part, that Zweibel (offered almost nothing D1 besides pressuring Ivo, who later turned up town), and Cutz (hasn't been a very good poster all game). Zweibel suspecting Ivo isn't really a bad thing in itself, because townies make mistakes of suspecting townies every game, and it definitely in itself isn't enough to make someone 100% mafia, but throughout the course of the day, that's the ONLY thing he's done. Shock used to be pretty strong town IMO, because early on it seemed like he was sincere in posts and trying to express his opinions, even though he defended him poorly. The more he's posted though, the more he's kinda switched to the mafia side. Right now I'm unsure of him, Honko brings up good points about him (and I'm sure a few others have as well), but I don't think he's the best lynch for the day. RVZ isn't one of my suspects anymore. He used to be on D1 when he posted terribly, but that was probably a noob town move. The way he reacted towards the end with the pressure on him gives me a pretty strong town read on him, I don't think a mafia member would give up that easily. I know prior to that he was a lynch I strongly supported but I think him being mafia now would be quite a big surprise. Could he be mafia? Yeah, anyone can. But it's not likely giving how he reacted when almost lynched. Thiradell posts infrequently, but when he does post, his posts are always good and informative, kinda like a breath of fresh air in the game. So I'd give him a town lean. So my suspects from most likely to least likely are: Moon Man Zweib Cutz Shock I think anyone suspecting anyone else unless they see something I don't is absolutely ridiculous. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by The Gaff on 12/10/10 at 05:57:49 I'm not doing voting counts on the basis everyone can use the link a pge or two back. Is that ok? If not i'll happily start doing them again. Otherwise just mentioning there is about 22hours left in Day 2. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 06:10:29 Agreeing with Honko here in that Moon Man is a bad lynch, since even if he is mafia, he's completely useless, and unless there isn't anyone else (which there is), we can save him for an easy lynch if we're conflicted. Honestly I would have to say my four most suspicious are the same as yours Brett, but I think it's a better idea to lynch Zwiebel right now. I know I've been off and on him the whole game, but it's time to put some pressure on him. Give me a little bit and I'll come back with a bigger post on him. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 06:25:25 Starting off the game Zwieb made a joke post on Cutz, which wasn't a big deal since virtually no one was taking him seriously. Then Shock jumps on me for what I believe to be an innocent first post and I think most people agree. Zarkov states that it's kind of fishy, and Zwiebel echoes the exact same thing in a post here. 567B65696E69600C0 wrote:
Honestly it could be a mistake by Shock but it seemed unnecessary since it was D1, and Zwiebel is trying to blend in by echoing Zarkov. Then he comments on inactivity kind of early into D1, which isn't that bad. 577A64686F68610D0 wrote:
I don't see a contradiction here. So, I heard rumours about Zarkov4 being imprisoned, is that right? Honko7 told me. [/quote] Third throws some pressure on Zwieb, but he instantly denies it and then tries to switch the subject back to Zarkov4 in the same post. Even though I think the contradiction was weak, Zwieb is passing it off here like he doesn't want people to read much into it by changing the subject to useless filler. Another main thing he was doing all the D1 was voting the people that were inactive, really early into the game. Then, once they posted he switched the vote to the others who weren't. Honestly, that's a really stupid tactic imo because everyone knows they're inactive, and putting pressure on them probably isn't going to speed up the process, most likely they haven't viewed the thread yet. 7F524C40474049250 wrote:
Here we go. This post first threw suspicion onto him from me even though through further analysis he was useless. I wasn't playing carefully in the beginning, I was actually playing carelessely. Did you see all the contradictions I made? He also supports Shock, and puts down RVZ, and I think that kind of pushes RVZ in the direction of town. Also, he said Shock has stayed calm when Shock didn't post anything that would even state that he saw himself being pressured. I can post more, but it's just going to keep repeating how every one of Zwieb's posts looks off and how he seems to make truths where there are none. Vote : Zwiebel Maf Leans (in that order I believe they should be lynched) Zwieb Shock Moon Man Cutz |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 06:28:41 7859575E715944525958360 wrote:
This is also weird to me. Couldn't cutz try to pressure someone? The only reason the day hasn't started is because no one has begun to post, and he's not helping it by saying "I really don't want to be thrown into the limelight by putting pressure on anyone". Really scummy statement. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 12:35:30 Finally the site is up again. Are we going to get an extension on D2 or not since we lost about 10 hours or so? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by cutz22 on 12/10/10 at 12:50:55 Well I did try to put more heat on shock and zwiebel yesterday, so I also find it odd that you lump me with them and moon man, who I also condemned, as your mafia picks. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Honko on 12/10/10 at 14:15:49 392B2C27202F3A213C7F7A4E0 wrote:
I wouldn't count on it. If Tom decides to give us an extra day or something that's great, but we should be prepared if he doesn't. We need to figure out a lynch today. After reading Day 2 more closely my top suspects are actually the same as Web's, though not in the same order. Shock > Moon > Cutz > Zwiebel at the moment. Though there are several people today who have barely posted, making a judgment on them quite difficult. 372B2C2E2230243B72430 wrote:
Please do. Shadow's program is great but doesn't capture votes from people who don't format it right (leaving out the word Vote, or forgetting to Unvote). Also it would be nice to see the full vote counts when the day ends. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/10/10 at 14:19:12 3D2F2823242B3E25387B7E4A0 wrote:
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Yeah... School calls, but I'm back. I posted what I posted to see how you'd react Web, and now my eyes are no longer on you. (No homo). I guess it wasn't a good idea though since accusations started piling on me! ;D Reading all the posts up to now, and I have no idea who's mafia. A shot in the dark. I don't like taking shots in the dark, so no vote from me yet. [/quote] Bad research Web, actually he even stated in this post that he sees that he is accused. You told that to him xD. And since it's his first game I think he stayed calm and didn't react bad in a way. 2331363D3A35203B266560540 wrote:
Honestly it could be a mistake by Shock but it seemed unnecessary since it was D1, and Zwiebel is trying to blend in by echoing Zarkov. Then he comments on inactivity kind of early into D1, which isn't that bad. [/quote] Why is it bad, to put more pressure on Shock? It was a bad try, yeah, since I basically said what Zarkov said, but that was page 1 or 2 so what did you expect, some analysis of Shocks so many posts? I wanted to see how he reacts to 2 votes as a newbie. 392B2C27202F3A213C7F7A4E0 wrote:
I don't see a contradiction here. So, I heard rumours about Zarkov4 being imprisoned, is that right? Honko7 told me. [/quote] Third throws some pressure on Zwieb, but he instantly denies it and then tries to switch the subject back to Zarkov4 in the same post. Even though I think the contradiction was weak, Zwieb is passing it off here like he doesn't want people to read much into it by changing the subject to useless filler. [/quote] Are you serious? That "pressure" you talk about was no pressure since there is no contradiction, as I said. What further to add? Do you want me to explain, why it is no contradiction? I think everyone is smart enough to see that. 392B2C27202F3A213C7F7A4E0 wrote:
Well, everyone posted kind of early in the game, why shouldn't my votes have helped to that process? One of those votes of me started the RVZ bandwagon, which didn't bring many information, but got something going at least. I don't see why my votes should have been bad at all. And on the first and second page, there are few useful posts tbh anyway(you said that by yourself). (gets continued, character limit) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/10/10 at 14:21:01 392B2C27202F3A213C7F7A4E0 wrote:
Here we go. This post first threw suspicion onto him from me even though through further analysis he was useless. I wasn't playing carefully in the beginning, I was actually playing carelessely. Did you see all the contradictions I made? He also supports Shock, and puts down RVZ, and I think that kind of pushes RVZ in the direction of town. Also, he said Shock has stayed calm when Shock didn't post anything that would even state that he saw himself being pressured. I can post more, but it's just going to keep repeating how every one of Zwieb's posts looks off and how he seems to make truths where there are none. [/quote] 7B696E65626D78637E3D380C0 wrote:
And again, a new contradiction. ( I used this quote earlier btw already) You yourself said that you found that accusation of Shock "scumish", while now you say that it was "honest first post". Just a side note though, let'S go back to the quote before: Yeah, you made many contradictions, but I should have worded it better: I meant you were really going into defense after that Zarkov "I'm Town, we are buddies" post or whatever. You appeared "scared" to me so I thought I'd say it. My words probably ruined that and I was not precise, so sorry for that. I said my opinion on that "Shock stayed calm" already. 7062656E69667368753633070 wrote:
Please explain why a "Zwiebel lynch" is better choice for you then a "Shock lynch". I'm contributing more than him (which is not hard tbh) and I've given reasons for most of my lynches(even though some were just the reasons of others). And your last post has not given much fundamental reasons to vote me imo. As for my Honko vote, I see no reason to change it for the moment because the Day has much time left (it will probably be extended anyway) and I'm still suspicious about him. His last post made him less suspicious because that post is really Townish and gives good arguments (with that I mainly agree) but not enough to get my vote off for now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/10/10 at 14:34:43 Forget what I said about the day is long anyway, if we don't get an extention, the day is like ~13 hours left if I did my maths right. So I'll unvote at first. Now that I'll go to sleep soon and the activity is that low there is no other choice to vote for Shock now. The reasons are obvious and everything got named and I don't want to repeat them all. To let my Honko vote there would be not that good, because there is too less evidence for him to be Mafia, too big chances that he'll come out Town. I wanted to press him and get other opinions, that partly worked. Continuing at this point wouldn't help at all though. I don't know how many votes Shock has now, but I don't know if I will be able to come online before the lynch, so I have to vote my main subject now, being Shock. Vote Shock I'll stay up for a little bit though, I'll have some look at other posts, but I'm almost positive that I won't find anything that'll change my mind. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/10/10 at 14:35:37 whoops, forgot to unvote -.- unvote Vote Shock |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 15:11:58 Before I respond to your points on me. 0D203E3235323B570 wrote:
So what Honko said wasn't enough to get your vote off, yet without him saying anything about 15 minutes later you decide to switch it. I'm guessing that it's most likely because of the fact that you realized that saying "The day is long we'll probably get an extension" when it has a very small chance of happening wasn't sounding good. See its stuff like this that makes me sus of you, if you really want me to go back and get more I can, but its just the same as before. I'm holding my vote on you unless the town wants to move elsewhere. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/10/10 at 15:12:45 Quintruple post( or however it's called) I'll go to sleep, but I'll try to be here before Day ends. Just stating the fact, that RVZ has 1 post so far, before I leave... |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 15:17:39 Too bad you're leaving, because I wanted to ask you why Shock over Moon Man? Moon is about 20 times more sus than Shock and he's given up. I probably would lynch Moon Man over Shock, the only thing against it being the fact that Moon would be good to keep around as a bad mafia member and we could lynch someone who could help the mafia more, although I dont' see that being the case. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/10/10 at 15:18:30 7260676C6B64716A773431050 wrote:
So what Honko said wasn't enough to get your vote off, yet without him saying anything about 15 minutes later you decide to switch it. I'm guessing that it's most likely because of the fact that you realized that saying "The day is long we'll probably get an extension" when it has a very small chance of happening wasn't sounding good. See its stuff like this that makes me sus of you, if you really want me to go back and get more I can, but its just the same as before. I'm holding my vote on you unless the town wants to move elsewhere.[/quote] Well, I thought I could get some more people to talk with it (/about it), but when I realized that it's actually not far from end of day, I wanted to have my vote on my main subject, because I'm going to sleep. Sorry for not going into any more details now, but I'm pretty tired, I'll try to come online before lynch though to prove my point. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/10/10 at 15:43:36 Hey guys, sorry I was gone all day. (6 hours of math tutoring, piano lesson, homework, half-marathon race sign ups, preparation for tomorrow's race etc.) I'll try to post a bit more tonight, but we'll see. Right now, here are my thoughts. As pointed out numerous times, I don't contribute much, but it's my honest effort; even when I play this game irl I always seem to get lynched, mafia or not, D2 or D3 because I just suck at getting behind people's thoughts ::). Anyway... I've noticed the cases built against me, and all of them except Zwiebel's ring sincere town in my head. Honko's post was, again, well thought through and logically based. His post was largely what I placed my Ivo vote on. If Honko's scum, he's doing a heck of a good job acting like town. Web has been a consistent poster, and has seeked to keep the game moving. This is definitely a town move since I think a mafia player would be fine with the relative dead activity. The only thing I have against him is a deflection of my attacks against Moon Man; but his analysis had a town spin to it. (I think if I were mafia, the dead thread would mean little progress by the town. Web is doing quite the opposite by trying to bring out points and pressure players. And hopefully I'm actually helping a little now myself.) Brett feels like a similar case to Web as in mafia take-down strategy, so I don't suspect him at the moment. I definitely have left a few mafiash posts in this thread, but he's also looking at the game as a whole and is drawing conclusions from that. Good town playing. Zwiebel however... where I see the other players honestly trying to bring a "town" case against me as a mafia player, Zwiebel posts a long explanation in defense of himself to just a little pressure. He then questions the legitimacy of the thought of a first vote lynch against him, then underhandingly redirects the attention to me by summing up the case against me with what's already basically been said. Zwiebel comes across to me as the most scummish right now. Unvote Vote Zwiebel. I am also changing my vote because I agree that a Moon Man lynch is next to worthless. A Zwiebel lynch will say a lot though, imo. Even if you guys don't get much from this post, I hope you get something. And if you decide to lynch me and gain information by the 100% sureness that my opinions are town valid, then that's up to you. Maybe I'll be able to spend more time in my day focusing on how to get to the heart of a math problem and less to the heart of an internet mindgame if you lynch me. Everything in life has a positive twist I guess. ::) Well, I guess that's my 2 cents. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 16:14:07 Okay so right now as I stated earlier pretty much what i expected is happening. The "mafia" or who seemed out of place as mafia are now voting themselves, showing that one (or more) of the less conspicuous players among us are actually mafia. Zwieb, Cutz and Shock are all voting one of the other members which I think says a lot, on top of the fact that people like Zarkov and RVZ haven't made a post yet today. Anyway, I have to eat dinner now (late I know lol), so I should be back in an hour at the latest. I'll also be on until 1 or 2 AM tonight depending if there's activity or not, and hopefulyl there will be. Brett made some great contributions D1 but seems to be absent today. I really want more from him as he has a lot of good to say and seems town so far, so I want to see what he thinks of possible suspects other than the 4 that are being mentioned over and over (Cutz, Moon, Shock, Zwieb) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/10/10 at 16:14:38 That site being down for x amount of hours sucked, usually the Europeans post during that time, so I am quite disappointed at the activity. I do wish that I would have had time to post more, but every time I have checked at this topic it hasn't looked like there's been really much to say. Ok so it's down to Zwiebel vs Moon Man for me. One thing that really bothers me is now Zweib says he started the RVZ wagon early on. Take a look at this post and tell me if it is a "I'mma start a bandwagon" post. 6A47595552555C300 wrote:
Basically Padz posts with the word "sup", this is enough for Zweibel to remove his vote and vote RVZ because RVZ was the only one that hadn't posted yet in the day. He shows no reason for his vote, and even claims it IS a random vote! Zweib, that's not what starting a bandwagon is. That's everyone just voting RVZ because he was the only one that didn't post yet. If you think that's a bandwagon then that is honestly the worst case of stretching the truth that I've seen in a while. All you did on Day 1 is attack Ivo, you didn't post that much and all your posts have been revealing very little info. To me it looks like you are scared to post in the thread. I know I've said the same thing with Moon Man, but it's more obvious with you. You post very infrequently, and you are revealing very little information to the town by trying to post ridiculously conservative. I did the same thing in my first mafia game, I played exactly how you did. Focused on one person and posted infrequently and it became obvious D2. Wanna know the funny part? It was my 2nd game that I've ever played, and I got lynched on D2. And I was mafia. And I posted the same way you did this game. Looks like you could fit that mold quite perfectly. Only problem is, because the game started off as a 9-3 split, we are only allowed 2 mislynches before the game is now 5-3. If we mislynch a 3rd time, mafia kill makes it 3-3. Only way allowing us another mislynch is if the protector (not sure if he's a doc or angel or w/e) happens to protect someone in the next 2 nights. For now I'll retract my vote from Moon Man, I'm really torn in between the two. Moon Man has posted more mafiaish I think, but I don't know if he just doesn't care about the game, and it would be a real slap in the face if he comes back town. Unvote And Moon Man, me retracting my vote from you has nothing to do with your terrible countervote on me early in the day. Got to think about this lynch really hard. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/10/10 at 16:25:21 Web, I don't think anyone besides those 4 should even be a lynch candidate for the day. RVZ seemed mafia early in the game but with his reaction to the pressure at the end it gave me a pretty strong town read on him, I'm pretty sure I've explained this reasoning on him before. Web, you could be mafia, but I'm not sure on you. You played a terrible game at the start, but you have gotten better since then. I'll stay neutral. I don't know what to say about Zarkov though, he's played exactly how I've expected him to play, and he's actually had a few good posts that agree a lot with my opinions, so I'd have to give him a town lean. I don't even know why I'm doing this Web, I hate lists personally and I don't think anyone besides the big 4 should even be up for discussion about lynching them. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/10/10 at 18:33:01 No posts in 2 hours. Fail. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/10/10 at 18:46:06 744944435452505C260 wrote:
Yeah... Where is everybody? :-? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/10/10 at 19:12:20 Well, Europeans are probably asleep, so that explains RVZ, Zweibel, Clark, and I think Moon Man. But even so, still surprised that there is no action. And the other thing is, I'm still not sure if Moon Man or Zwiebel is gonna get lynched tonight. I'll be up for a little while longer though but with the kind of activity that's been going on it doesn't look like any votes will change. Moon Man still has his vote on me, Zweibel has his vote on you Shock. Both these guys seem to be gone for the day's end so it's gonna be up to the rest of us to think this through and decide who to lynch. Honestly it's obviously down to either Moon Man or Zweibel. Given the way the day has turned out, I think Moon Man is the better lynch, and the more suspect of the two, but I think we'd learn more from a Zweibel lynch. I honestly would rather vote Moon Man but I'll have to think about this a lot, it could go either way and I don't want a mislynch here as that will mean that we'd have to lynch all mafia for the rest of the game to win barring an angel save. I promise though I'll be back before EOD to place my vote on who I think is the more likely to be mafia of the two. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Ivootjes on 12/10/10 at 19:16:02 UYEAH. reading the mafi topic drunk an dstoned! this game fucking rules can't wait to host a game again. Good luck town! and i'm dead again [smiley=dead.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 19:24:28 ^^lol. I'm still leaving it on Zwiebel because I think he's much better for the town, and Moon Man can always be a lynch for tomorrow. Have you noticed that Zwieb has never directly targeted Moon Man? His votes are on everyone but him basically, so that leads me to believe that they're maf partners. I'll be on for 2-3 more hours, but I doubt that much of anything will happen until maybe 4 or 5 AM right before EOD. and I'll be asleep then. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/10/10 at 19:32:56 If you think they are both mafia then why would it matter which one dies today and which one dies tomorrow? It would be very unlikely for either one of them to dig themselves out of this hole even if we give one another 48 hours. And Ivo, that just made my day xD! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/10/10 at 19:48:12 [smiley=roll.gif] I freakin LOL'd Ivo. I think it could matter a bit, because if we lynch Zwiebel, the fact that he hasn't gone after Moon Man will lead us to almost the absolute conclusion that Moon Man is mafia. We lynch Moon Man, and we don't learn as much about Zwiebel. Moon Man in general hasn't said anything worth noting, (except those posts leading to his own eventual demise) and lynching him today even as Mafia won't help us much I don't think. Ugh, my thinking is clouded tonight. I was hoping Honko would post to give us a better head of thoughtl, but I gotta rest with this race tomorrow. My vote remains on Zwiebel for the night. He's not as sure as Moon Man, but I think even Moon Man could be noob town. Not very likely, but possible. I think we could learn the most from a Zwiebel lynch, and I'll pray tonight that he isn't town. ;D Make a good decision town, and good luck. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 19:48:24 Theoretically it doesn't, but here's why I think it's Zwieb. Because if they're both mafia, Moon Man is utterly useless while Zwiebel is at least somewhat of a contributor and may be for the mafia. You could argue that Moon Man is scummier, thus has a higher percentage chance of being mafia, and that if we mislynch today then the game is almost over, but I still think that Zwiebel is mafia due to reasons posted (the fact that he's actively posting but still looks bad) and thus a safe lynch as well. If the town was wagoning on either one, I'd be fine with it but it's split right down the middle. I'm going with Zwiebel for my final vote. EDIT - @ Brett ofc |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by RVZ on 12/10/10 at 19:50:20 Finally! I can actually post! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/10/10 at 19:52:28 Gosh this is much tougher than the D1 decision. Web, I'm not trying to take the easy road out right now, but do you think you can make a list of the votals right now? I'm kinda curious, and I got to take a shower right now so I'll be back a little later (maybe around 11:30ish). So if you could do that it would help make my decision a little easier. It will really suck if it comes down to me as the final vote, because if I make a decision and I'm wrong it doesn't look good for me. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 20:03:55 haha it actually wasn't that hard since there was almost no activity on D2. 6 Hours left, 6 Votes for Maj Lynch (2)Zwiebel – (Web), Web, Shock (2)Shock – Honko, Zwiebel (1) Moon Man – (Brett),(Shock),Third (1) Brett – Moon Man (0)Honko – (Zwiebel) Current Non-Voters RVZ, Cutz, Zarkov, Brett |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 20:06:09 684F5F44424B4B592A0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by RVZ on 12/10/10 at 20:28:48 If Moon 'dildo' Man is actually mafia, why in hell would he did that bandwagon vote? Ivo's lynch couldn't be avoided anymore. Only if you're a really retarded mafia player you would've done that bandwagon vote. Make yourself susp. while nobody was on you. Could be a maf slip but I think Moon 'dildo' Man isnt that dumb. Show up with a vote that's practically useless. Getting someone lynched that was practically get lynched anyway, and with that vote you only hurt yourself by getting noticed in a bad way. Maybe on purpose Zwiebels first post D2 is very very good. Honko is such a sneaky fuck. People forget about him. Since padz was inactive this game so far. No need to lynch him. I think he got lynched cuz of people know about his skill later on the game and avoid it this way. Can be Zarkov or Honko. But voting one of these is to big of a risk since they are usefull. Vote: Shock Shock is acting so weird imo. Usually he's a spontaneous dude and say everything. From what i've noticed so far in this game, he's holding something. I not really have some examples but it are my guts speaking. + |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 20:40:16 In that last post RVZ you basically echoed the sentiments of Zwiebel earlier when he came out with a somewhat controversial vote on Honko. Moon Man has played an atrocious game so far, possibly the worst game I've ever seen played. The fact that you say he wouldn't be that stupid surprises me since he has played that stupid the whole game. Your argument for him in saying that the lynch was unavoidable is funny, because you can get out of any lynch, I remember a game a little bit ago where Brett was one vote away from majority lynch and then got the town on his side, and he ended up being town. Trying to end the day with a hammer because a lynch is "confirmed" is bad reasoning. I feel like we're getting a Moon / RVZ / Zwieb trio here, and 2/3 are targeting Shock since he's one of the only other suspicious ones. Moon just cross-voted for no reason. If you notice they have either avoided or supported each other. I think the fourth is probably Zarkov, Third, maybe Brett but I doubt it. One of the guys that are contributing more to the town and staying out of the suspicion. I would say Honko here but both RVZ and Zwieb have expressed suspicion against him so lumping him in there would completely destroy my theory. Through this that would make Shock a noob townie, which is annoying since he was suspicious, but due to the rest of the stuff above I think it makes the most sense right now. Oh and this. 5 Hours 15 minutes left, 6 Votes for Maj Lynch (3)Shock – Honko, Zwiebel, RVZ (2)Zwiebel – (Web), Web, Shock (1) Moon Man – (Brett),(Shock),Third (1) Brett– Moon Man (0)Honko – (Zwiebel) Current Non-Voters Cutz, Zarkov, Brett |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/10/10 at 21:10:50 CUTZ STOP LURKING I SEE YOU ARE ONLINE. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by RVZ on 12/10/10 at 21:17:20 unvote If we lynch Moon 'Dildo' Man it could only work out better. If he flips town we lose someone who was useless the entire game aka no big loss. But there's a pretty big chance he flips maf. Vote: Moon Man |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 21:20:31 It's 4v6 right now. If we lynch Moon and he's town, then it's 4v5. Mafia gets a night kill, and unless it's protected by our doctor that makes it 4v4, and that's a maf autowin. So this is kind of important, and not a win/win by any bounds. Also, why did you switch your vote right after I stated you were avoiding Moon and it made you look maf? Flipping votes that fast with little support looks really bad. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/10/10 at 21:22:28 Honestly guys I've thought long and hard about this. Personally my gut is telling me to vote for Zwiebel at this point of the game. But you know something? I'd rather vote Moon Man with the hopes that he is mafia, but if he is town and this makes us lose the game then I'd be content with getting rid of a player that made one of the worst performances I've ever seen in a mafia game, and I'd be glad that he's gone. At least if he's town then he will most likely lose as well. He's most likely mafia, but it would be a true slap in the face if he does come back town, which I've said before. It's worth it for me. I want to win, but I'm not gonna keep someone in the game that doesn't give 2 shits about it. If you have a problem with my reasoning here then lynch me tonight. I swear. Vote: Moon Man. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/10/10 at 21:23:38 Web, there's 3 mafia this game, it's 3-7. If he's town it makes it 3-5, and if we lynch another townie then at the start of D4 it will be 3-3 unless angel saves someone at night. So we have one mulligan at this stage and that's it. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by RVZ on 12/10/10 at 21:30:47 3426212A2D22372C317277430 wrote:
Well, seeing the last few pages you guys didn't came very far. So going for this Moon Man lynch is the best option. We can only benefit, even if he flips town. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/10/10 at 21:34:07 oh good, I thought there were four maf. Then I feel a lot better about you making that vote. I was going to say you should go with your gut, but with a muligan I feel better. Moon will get lynched, hopefully maf and we can press Zwieb more tomorrow, as well as RVZ. Two that we should really focus on are Zarkov and Cutz. Both posted pretty much nothing on D2, and I've seen cutz on multiple times, not sure about Zarkov. Well, with the lynch pretty much set now, I'm going to bed. Won't be on before start of Night so good luck guys. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by RVZ on 12/10/10 at 21:55:50 You can press me whatever the fuck you want. :) Today's lynch There are 2 scenario's Moon 'dildo head' Man = Town got rid of an useless player and 1 less player to worry about Dildo guy = mafia cutted 1/3 mafia amount. He isnt linked to any other player whatsoever. Damaged mafia anyway. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Thiradell on 12/10/10 at 23:18:08 Shock showed up, which is good. His long post is great, makes a rock solid case for voting Zwiebel. Brett's long post after that is also good, though he restates some things I said earlier. Not thrilled with his reasoning behind choosing Moon, though it appears it was a tough decision for him. Not a fan of RVZ's posts, his back-to-back clearing of Moon and voting for Moon is super awkward. Didn't have much reason for his Shock vote and quickly deviated from it. At this point the mafia is RVZ/Moon/cutz/Zwieb (three of the four), but literally every one of these guys could be bad townies as well (cutz's day 2 has been absurdly bad). Just feel like there's a lot of suspects who are suspects for very obvious reasons, where we could have a good mafia team just waiting it out, taking advantage of the sharp decrease in activity today. web, Zwieb and Moon are the only ones close to their day 1 post totals. Makes me lean town on web because posting a ton on a dead day would be awkward, and web could just as easily have gotten by without saying near as much. Zwieb has had his standard bits of self-defense and brutally focused accusations. Moon has had his standard bit of doing nothing. Tempted to switch to Zwieb but I don't want to let Moon slide by again, let's just kill him. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Thiradell on 12/10/10 at 23:19:05 At this point my strongest mafia leans are RVZ/Moon/cutz/Zwieb* |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Thiradell on 12/10/10 at 23:23:21 Guess if I had to pick an under-the-radar wolf at this point, I'd pick Zarkov. Had two small-but-serious posts and then one big post at three very separate times, indicating he was checking the thread somewhat regularly. What happened to the huge amounts of garbage mixed with short bits of solid analysis in day 1? This is fishing but I'm pretty worried, really hoping Moon is mafia. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by RVZ on 12/11/10 at 00:30:17 Your posts are so fake Thiradell. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/11/10 at 00:54:09 Unvote Vote: Zwiebel. I'll explain my reasoning more in depth later, thank god I made it to my computer. Let me just say his lynch is more revealing than Moon Man's. And besides, as far as suspicions go they were pretty much a coin toss. Lets hope I make the right decision. Sorry for the short notice on you guys but if I make it to D3 I promise I will fully explain everything as to why I made this move. I know it seems suspicious, you guys just really have to trust me at this point. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Moon Man on 12/11/10 at 02:28:48 RVS is maf.Thiradell posts a comment about zarkov, and tbh the amount of times he has posted in D2, has been tiny. Then dutchy comes along with "Your posts are so fake Thiradell", with no reason why. I wouldnt be surpirsed if RVS and Zarkov are mafia. UNVOTE |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by RVZ on 12/11/10 at 02:42:01 Who is RVS? This perfectly sums up everything bout your lack of interest in this game, you can't even spell my name right. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by RVZ on 12/11/10 at 03:29:30 576E7473666C6275070 wrote:
This is based on absolutely nothing. I almost get the feeling you want to be lynched on purpose. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Honko on 12/11/10 at 05:34:51 I'm assuming Tom is extending the day for at least a few hours. Sounds better than him just forgetting the game exists. (3) Zwiebel – (Web), Web, Shock, Brett (2) Moon Man – (Brett), (Shock), Third, RVZ, (Brett) (2) Shock – Honko, Zwiebel, (RVZ) (0) Brett – (Moon Man) (0) Honko – (Zwiebel) Current Non-Voters Cutz, Zarkov Because we don't know how much time we have left, switching to another lynch would be dangerous at this point, so it's really between Zwiebel, Moon, and Shock. Shock has made some actual good posts today. Moon continues to be useless, but right now I think Zwiebel's the way to go. There isn't that much to go on today, but I reread my suspicions of him from day 1 and I really have trouble seeing him as town based on how he acted there, especially now that we know Ivo was town. I'm not sure what specific info Brett is talking about with regards to Zwiebel, but it's clear the Moon lynch tells us little about anyone no matter which way he flips, and I think there's actually a better chance of Moon being town than Zwiebel, even with Moon's obvious lack of contribution. It is Jamie after all. Unvote Vote: Zwiebel I'm leaving in a couple hours to go see my family. It's a rather long trip. I should be online here and there tonight or tomorrow early afternoon, but after that I'll be completely unreachable until Tuesday, and even then I'll probably be too jetlagged to post right away. Hopefully by the time I get back we'll have one scum lynched and you guys will be hot on the trail of another. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 05:44:49 Just little time left I guess, so I'll make this short. I'm doctor. That's why I didn't post too much and defended myself much...probably too much, as it seems. unvote Vote Moon Man This is a bandwagon vote, but it makes 3-3 in the case that lynch is incoming...I'll be dead this night anyway now. Either you stay on me or Mafia NKs me. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by RVZ on 12/11/10 at 05:47:45 ur 4-3 behind ::) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/11/10 at 05:50:10 ^^Complete and total bullshit claim. Just to get you out of hot water. If you turn up doc I will be completely shocked and know it will make me look bad, but honestly that is a horrible claim right now. And if you're dead anyway, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF CLAIMING! You can't offer help to the town if you're dead, and it's not like you have information of the scanner. Honestly, that was a stupid move. Wow this is a slight turn of events. Glad to know I could get back on before the EOD, whenever that is. Also glad to see that you guys are switching to Zwieb. Also, did anyone look at the dead people's posts yet? I was considering doing that but I'm not sure if anyone has. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 06:08:45 Yeah I can't offer help to town when I'm dead, but I can offer help now. So look around and see who has gone after me without good reasoning and look at who defended me. RVZ is quiet cleared since he defended me even though I'm in crossfire of accusations and he was cleared yesterday a bit as well, so we can assure that he's just a Townie. Web is cleared imo as well. He's going that hard for me that I don't believe he's Mafia, lol. Would be quiet stupid. Honko just switched again to me, I wouldn't give up pressing him in D3. I'd like to hear Brett's explanation for that as well, but he seemes very not sure about who to lynch, so not much to worry about Brett I think. I don't know if Moon Man stated something about me, but his posts look terrible anyway. I still don'T see why lynching me is any better than lynching Moon Man. Moon Man hasn't done anything good in this game no, fucking nothing. Similiar for Cutz, who has no single quality post on D2. He's just watching and that's totally badass. Mafia² unvote Vote cutz22 Maybe it's too late to switch again, but Cutz should come up, otherwise he's Mafia for sure. Why would anyone just watch this and do nothing, seeing that a lynch is coming up. If he'd continue like that, he'S useless anyway |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 06:12:32 And one slight thing for you web: If you lynch me, 2 Townies are dead this night. If you switch votes, (hopefully) Mafia is dead and I'm dead and if they don't believe my claim and lynch someone else, even better, since I can try to save another person this and next night. Makes the total of 1 Townie dead. That's why I claimed. At least you then know you don'T have a doctor left, so you have to be more careful...noe one can save you then. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/11/10 at 06:47:02 0D203E3235323B570 wrote:
Sigh. This whole post is just you defending yourself "if" you were mafia. Also, how can you say that the mafia won't' believe your claim if you are town? That makes no sense, if there's a potential doc, the mafia will be all over it, since I don't see how you would claim unless you were mafia trying to avoid suspicion or the real doc. The last sentence is also kind of rubbing our predicament in our faces, "No one can save you then". I understand that there's no role reveal, but it just seems really stupid to say that, especially because of the fact that you made a last ditch effort to save your mafia self. Staying with my vote and nothing is really going to change it since Tom could come on at any time and lock the thread. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 07:13:41 I don't want to save my Mafia self. Would I really have made such a thing as Mafia, talking and talking even if I dig my grave bigger and bigger? I could just have stayed calm like most of the rest and you'd probably have lynched Moon or Shock. I made myself suspicious by speaking up. I just posted my thoughts without any thinking about how they could make me Mafia because everything can help. Seeing that I'll be lynched, I said that I'm doctor in the hope that someone else gets lynched. Even if it's a bad try, it's my last hope for another lynch. Not because I don't want to be lynched, but because Town has nearly lost then. Well then, I guess Gaff will show up soon and end this. Keep in mind, that I was honestly trying to help. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Moon Man on 12/11/10 at 07:28:55 Quote:
Lul wut? The doc claim was BS, but why would RVZ be cleared of maf, for defending you? Oh and where is Tom? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 07:45:26 0F362C2B3E343A2D5F0 wrote:
That's all you have to say? He could have jumped onto the bandwagon, but he stayed with his way. I was speaking of the scenario that I'd be lynched, so you could trust RVZ I think. unvote Funny to see that still, no one is really going after cutz...I wonder why. He was online for a pretty long time and didn't post at all...and still, he is not included in anything and has now no vote again...you should press him D3 or watever and if he doesn't post, lynch him. Staying alone with this vote and seeing that Moon Man's post again doesn't bring anything new up or help anyone, asking where Tom is just to end the day and not get lynched... Vote Moon Man |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/11/10 at 07:56:51 Zwiebel, that claim to be doctor makes me convinced you are scum. Who the heck would claim to be doctor and really is? You could avoid the lynch by choosing who you think is town and has a vote on you, and PM them your identity or something. Then the two of you can work together to take the suspicion off. You seem to me to be looking for the real doctor to make a post that laughs at your claim and exposes his real identity with a careless post. I think you know you are getting lynched tonight, and you are trying to contribute one last push to help the mafia by exposing the doctor. Hopefully the real town doctor reads this and is careful in his reply to your claim. Of course, in the case that you are telling the truth, that is the dumbest move by a town doctor I think possible. If you were the real doctor, why would you do such a good job of labeling yourself as scum? Also, I don't like that quick vote on Moon Man, even if you didn't keep it there. You seem to be trying to at least keep people from noticing the connection once you come up mafia. Again, trying to make a good mafia last move in the disguise of trying to avoid a lynch. You did change your vote to Cutz, but that is pretty much useless imo. Are you trying to keep a majority off you and Moon Man? You've definitely got me thinking. My vote though is squarely on your shoulders, and it's staying there. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/11/10 at 07:59:55 And now you're going back to Moon Man. Why? The town basically decided a lynch of him is worthless. If you think the town should go after Cutz, leave your vote on him and build your case. He may be inactive, but as of yet I don't see how a lynch of him is even close to a wise choice. The fact that he hasn't posted much gives us like no feedback whatsoever for tomorrow. The only thing I see you trying to do is perhaps split the majority so we avoid a lynch and you both stay alive for another day? :-? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 08:03:22 LOL I don't think any doctor of the world, even if he would be stupid as hell, would react to what I said if I were Mafia. And PM? I don't think I'd be sure enough of someone to be Town to say that in a PM...and anyway, are PMs allowed? I don't think so :-/ And btw, I realized my cutz vote is useless and changed my vote to Moon Man again. Just before your post. I don't think defending me more at this point is anything worth. The only reason to keep posting is that tomorrow you at least have something to analyze the responses after my shitty posts. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/11/10 at 08:13:04 You can't contact outside this thread. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 08:19:05 that's actually kind of interesting. Maybe Shock thinks that PMs are allowed, because he as Mafia can PM with his other fellows. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Moon Man on 12/11/10 at 08:20:33 Quote:
Then why havnt you changed it yet? You are clearly voting me because of the voting war between me and you, and you voting cutz is useless to you since voting him wont save yopu. S why dont i just vote you. I mean if i vote you and i am apparently mafia for doing it, what does that make you for doing the same? VOTE Zwiebel |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 08:23:44 You always come up in the end to make a vote and that's it. Have you ever made a post where you weren't going mainstream? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Moon Man on 12/11/10 at 08:26:46 567B65696E69600C0 wrote:
You just admitted that you went from a vote on cutz, whom you had good reasons, but went away from that, for me because you didnt want to be lynched. Your point is invalid. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 08:34:36 Yeah. Why would I want me to be lynched? Town's goal is to lynch Mafia, not Town. And since I know that I'm Town, leaving it like that doesn't help me and doesn't help Town. I think I expressed that Cutz is a shitty non-posting Mafia player imo, but one single vote on him with no one reacting to it is pretty useless, since the Day can end every second. Ivo did the same and we lynched him for that, seeing that he now is Town. You'll do the same mistake twice. And you are just following the other on whatever they do, giving the nearly last vote again, hammering for the end of the day. I'll turn out Town and you'll be in the spotlight. Cutz/Moon is the most likely Mafia team atm, tbh. If you are Town, you're one of the worst Townies I ever saw. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/11/10 at 08:40:55 Another bandwagon vote by Moon. Unless I get NKed tonight, I am almost definitely placing my vote on Moon Man tomorrow. Especially if Zwiebel does turn up town. If he turns up town, Moon looks like he's going with the flow of blame. Even if Zwiebel turns up Mafia though, this still means that Moon is mafia because of his terrible posts and bandwagonning. And that's my poor game knowledge on display right there with the PMs. I've only sent a couple PMs to The Gaff before the game started and during D1 requesting better knowledge on how the game works. I thought this meant we could PM anybody, but apparently not. :-/ Btw, there are 5 votes on Zwiebel and 3 votes on Moon atm. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Moon Man on 12/11/10 at 09:07:24 Quote:
Same bro, i know im town too. If you wanted to help town, why would you admit your doctor? That doesnt help town at all. Infact it does the opposite. Quote:
I gave my reason to why, so its not a bandwagon vote. And dont worry, both me and zwiebel are town you know. I thought you knew that. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/11/10 at 09:08:29 5A77696562656C000 wrote:
I doubt it. Shock is new at this game and he doesn't know the rules (Tom didn't state them) Also, how horribly inconvenient would it be to communicate through PMs? Maf has a thread I'm sure and it would be stupid to try through PMs. Trying to look too far into it. Oh, and Shock, you can vote Moon tomorrow but we should definitely investigate others and not just go with a lynch right away, that would be stupid. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/11/10 at 09:20:11 263433383F30253E236065510 wrote:
Of course. I plan to work for a few hours next day investigating Cutz's posts and some others before voting Moon. But after his last post, I can guarantee it's going there. Zwiebel and Moon seem to me to be trying to take a stance against accusations in a joint effort in their posts. In fact, I'm thinking about switching my vote to Moon Man now that he's posted a clear connection between himself and Zwiebel. "We both know we're town man". Right. ::) I would like to see some more action before somebody brings the hammer down on anybody, and it doesn't look like the day is ending until tonight, so to be safe, I am going to Unvote. My vote is of course going to go back on either Zwiebel or Moon Man depending on what happens in the next couple of hours. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/11/10 at 09:22:10 I'll be back in about 30 minutes, time for lunch. And man am I hungry after that run! lol |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 09:25:19 The Gaff is online. If you want to change your vote, do it now or it's too late anyway. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 09:26:20 And don't forget to investigate Zarkov tomorrow- he has made just 3 posts, like Cutz. Pretty disappointing. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 09:35:13 Gaff is offline...take your time [smiley=roll.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/11/10 at 09:36:02 Yeah. Zwiebel looks like a sure lynch now, and then he claims the Doctor role knowing that either we believe him and it saves his ass or he tries to bait the real doc into roleclaiming, either way leads into a good situation for the mafia. I really don't buy his doc role claim at this point. And Tom, not that I'm trying to rush the day or anything but when do days end? You've been really inconsistent about when you've ended them, and it would be better if we had a clear cut time to know. My vote stays on Zwiebel. We can always lynch Moon Man whenever. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 09:42:55 Brett, you helped me in the last Mafia game we played, so maybe once again...why shouldn't I have roleclaimed? I haven't seen any other way of saving me, I had 5 votes on me I think and near to get lynched anyway. Why should it have helped if I kept quiet about that? I should have maybe thought it over a bit more, but I still think that lynching another person who is most likely maf in this situation is better than lynching me. I know that Mafia could roleclaim as well as doctor, but you'll see if they NK me or not then in the night. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/11/10 at 09:59:04 Risking it and letting you live is stupid at this point. "We'll see if mafia kills me". If you're real doc, you'd be dead. Even suggesting that you could potentially live through the night is really really stupid. Gaff, just end this day. It's gone on longer than the site was down so it's done, |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 10:04:05 I was actually implying that I'll be dead in that sentence. I meant that you'd know that I'm Mafia if I'd still live |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Brett on 12/11/10 at 10:06:55 It's not that you roleclaimed, it's what you roleclaimed. You are like 1 or 2 votes away from a lynch (I know you're one now, but I'm not sure what you were when you claimed), and you claimed one of the most powerful roles in the game. It could be true, but I really don't think it is. From a mafia perspective you could easily be doing this to try and either get a last minute rally to save yourself, or get the doc to claim before you get lynched. And honestly, you've been pretty mafiaish this whole time, you've only targeted Ivo on D1 (although you claim to have started an RVZ wagon, which was such BS), and now today you place a vote on Moon Man in an attempt to split the vote, mafia move. Your lynch though would be better than Moon Man's because we learn more from lynching you then we do lynching Moon Man. And I'm honestly not comfortable voting Shock yet because I'm not as suspicious of him as I am of you two. Post directed @ Zweibel if anyone has posted in between us. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 10:09:07 I just want to say that I just said, that I started the RVZ bandwagon. I didn't do it on purpose or anything, but my random vote leaded to the bandwagon. I just wanted to state that my "voting inactive players" wasn't that bad afterall since it brought something to roll, even if not wanted by me. I don't want to get credit for doing that. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by thewebinator on 12/11/10 at 10:11:52 It wasn't a bandwagon, it was a bs wagon that everyone voted on the first few pages of the day for lolz. It wasn't anything serious. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Zwiebel on 12/11/10 at 10:14:36 As I said, I don't want credit for it. My vote wasn't serious, neither was the bandwagon...so what? A try, at least. It could have brought us to something. It didn't really, but as you yourself said that was like page 1 or 2 lol. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/11/10 at 10:16:09 I've got an uncomfortable gut feeling that Zwiebel could be another Ivo, but a logical look at things makes me agree with Web that letting Zwiebel live another day could potentially harm the town. Claiming to be doctor is a 1/13 or so claim. The fact that you claimed doc looks to me that you were trying to do something to stay alive. You knew a town claim would be worthless, so you tried claiming doc. As Hitler himself said, you tell a small lie and people will not believe you. But they will believe a big lie. Something like that, obviously not a direct quote. Because of these reasons; what others have said and my own logical look, I am placing my vote back on you. A mislynch of course will be disastrous for the town, but this game includes a factor of risk, and I will take that risk. Vote Zwiebel Also, does anyone know if Zarkov has been online today? If we mislynch and he has been online at all, I will have my suspicions on him for not posting and letting the town commit suicide on itself. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Shock on 12/11/10 at 10:17:41 And of course people will want to stay alive, but I mean: stay alive by using a scum strategy. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by The Gaff on 12/11/10 at 10:27:34 Apologies for the additional few hours. I've been stuck on a train. After the death in the previous night the villagers were sure this time that they had found the werewolf. Surely it had to be Zwiebel. Unfortunately it wasn't. Zwiebel was town. Night 2 begins. Please send me your night actions in the next 24 hours. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - NIGHT 2 Post by The Gaff on 12/12/10 at 03:31:14 In the night Brett got up because he heard a faint knocking at the door. The tapping noise increased and he could stand it no more. The door slowly creaked open but nothing was there. He turned and slammed the door shut. But not quick enough. In jumped a werewolf and stood there looming over him, snarling and hungry. Brett was a nice chap, a villager.. Now he's just a pool of red liquid on the floor of his shack. Brett died, he was a villager. Day 3 begins and lasts 48hours. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 03:46:53 Oh lawdy no. http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4396/problemtown.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/problemtown.jpg/) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 07:34:12 Okay, well that was expected for the NK. Bad thing is Zwieb was obviously right about being doc, so now we have no chances to be saved. I think today might be a good day for the cop to come out if they have anything, because we have a bunch of suspicions but a direction might be nice. It could also screw over the town though so I would say hold it for now.\, maybe for later today. Sorry everyone for leading the lynch on Zwieb, but he wasn't being very helpful throughout and his posts seemed really off. Moon is obviously my main suspect right now. I want to vote right now, but it's too early and mafia could hammer to win with just one town lynch I'm pretty sure. We need pressure on Zarkov, he's gotten off scot free and I have a feeling he's mafia with cutz. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 11:02:40 Vote : Zarkov Four hours and no posts is ridiculous. Where is the town? Zarkov, you've been inactive for two days and said nothing on the lynches and your suspects. Why? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 12:14:40 I have to leave to do a little work and won't be back for about 5 or 6 hours. Hopefully someone decides to post, because otherwise it's game over. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 13:10:35 Zarkovs last post was "Reply #410 - 12/10/10 at 08:43:50" Him and cutz havnt posted much, and i want to see zarkov post. Vote Zarkov |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Zarkov on 12/12/10 at 13:58:53 Hey. Sorry for lack of posting. Cataclysm is pretty addictive. Anyway, imma go right out and say im the town seer. Night 1 peek - Cutz22. Town I peeked Cutz as he was getting a lot of heat D1, and tbh I find him rather scummy. I didnt go for the obvious ones as I didnt want my peek to get NK'ed or roleblocked. Night 2 peek - Honko. Mafia Yes. Honko is scum. I told you guys to watch out for him. He has blended in with town so well that a lot of you are of the opinion "Honko is def worth keeping around". Might wanna go back and see who said that. Could very likely be maf. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Zarkov on 12/12/10 at 14:01:15 3F2D2A2126293C273A797C480 wrote:
I have a feeling youre maf with Honko. I know the truth, and cutz isnt maf and im not maf. Although ive been absent most of the last day, ive seen enough to know youre subtley backing Honko. Youre jumping onme now because for you it will be an easy lynch. Expect a counter claim from Web or Honko. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 14:01:17 So would you advise voting honko? I mean how do we know your not lying? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Zarkov on 12/12/10 at 14:02:05 o vote Honko |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Zarkov on 12/12/10 at 14:04:23 7F465C5B4E444A5D2F0 wrote:
Aside from posting the pm's I got from Tom, you couldnt know for 100% definite. But, my peeks are solid peeks, not really any question of "hur dur, why did you peek them?" Just remember Moon Man, the people who will try and dismiss my claim are the people its affecting. Ie Honko and his cohorts. Who I think is Web. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 14:06:06 Haha nice try Clark. But it's pretty obvious this is some kind of mafia ploy to end the game right now. You're under pressure so you decide to claim cop and get town to lynch me as icing on the cake. A perfect game, so to speak. Not gonna happen. Vote: Zarkov |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 14:06:49 So lets humour you. Zarkov - Town Cutz - Town Honko - Mafia Web - Presumably Mafia What would you say about the remaining people? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 14:08:27 27252A2A2B2A272825362F440 wrote:
Of course I dismiss your claim. It's lies, and I know it's lies. I'm town. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 14:12:58 Quote:
This is a bit stupid for someone who is mean't to be a solid town person. Just because you know, why would you knowing that you are town, be any use to us? Couldn't i just use that reason, but because i currently seen a as a n00by town player, i cant get away with it. UNVOTE At first i didnt really buy into clark's thing, but Honko's reaction is strange to me. Hasn't completely got me convinced though about voting Honko. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 14:19:36 It doesn't help you make your decision, but it makes things obvious for me. I know I'm town, so I know Clark is lying. It's my word against his, and you guys will have to decide for yourself who you think is lying, but I would hope this is pretty clear. I've been around the entire game digging through posts to hunt for the mafia. Clark goes deep under the radar for most of the game and then pops back up with a convenient claim right when he's about to get lynched. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 14:23:46 That was a really really stupid claim Clark, and it was only an attempt to get the real cop to claim. I'm not the seer/cop, but obviously you aren' t either. Through that, I think we have the mafia at Clark, Cutz, and Moon. GG's. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 14:27:35 675E4443565C5245370 wrote:
Moon, you're so eager to just bandwagon along with Clark's claim. You've also voted two members that were town, without reasoning on a bandwagon near the end. You are an obvious mafia, but the fact that Clark made a claim like that after not talking for the whole game makes me think he's easy mafia as well. You're just going along with your mafia buddy, it's kind obvious. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 14:43:27 Did i actualy vote honko? I was asking questions, that he didnt answer. Infact i was trying to get information that he didnt answer in day two. Thats if you read my posts Quote:
Information which YOU wanted to know why he didnt answer. Oh and you havnt voted for people who wern't town? One of your first posted for day three had an apology on "leading" the vote on zweibel. Your bandwagon claim is this biggest load of bullshit in this game. IF i was mafia, and that i am a pretty bad player, wouldn't i just actually bandwagon on Honko, and not ask questions? Then the fact the time i actually try to contribute properly, you shoot it down for bandwagoning, when it was a clear question for zarkov. If zarkov is true, you (web) and honko are maf. If zarkov is mafia, i would still be suspisious of you for your claims. Maybe not for honko, but his comeback is still suspisious as he has denied mafia, with "I know i am town" claim, and ofcourse he zarkov is afk (which i would like an answer from zarkov about his inactivity/lurking) VOTE Webinator. I have posted my reasons, so your argument on a "bandwagon" vote from me will just confim what i believe to be true |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Zarkov on 12/12/10 at 14:43:36 7E6C6B6067687D667B383D090 wrote:
Really really really stupid? More like really really really smart. Youre insinuating yourself in this more thasn anyone right now. Youre totally on Honkos side. Problem is I know 100% Honko is mafia. Look at him sweat. "im town I tells you!." When else do you ever see Honko do this? Only when he is backed into a corner and knows he is wrong. Trust me guys, Honko is maf and Web is is scum buddy. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 14:47:33 Okay I'm going to step back a second from what I just said, as it was a gut reaction but I'll take some analysis into it first. This is going to look a little bad for me but now that I think I have a much better analysis that makes more sense and isn't an instanct reaction. Moon is obviously mafia, and he should be our lynch today if we're deadlocked at any type of decision at the end of the day, although I don't think we will be. Here's the thing though, if you look at Honko's posts, he's built strong cases against both Ivo on D1 and Zwiebel on D1 and D2, who both turned out to be townies and lynched that day that he brought up cases against them. The first reason I saw Zarkov as scum was that he hadn't posted, but honestly I think that someone would have counterclaimed by now and if not he's probably the legit cop. As you know Honko always plays a great game so he could be faking it looking as the most clear, plus Zwiebel the town suspected him. Now for the third mafia, assuming Zarkov is legit and making cutz town, I say we look at Thiradell. Third always seems to be off the radar and posting summary type posts, the kind of lists that mafia likes to do in order to make it look like they're contributing. So I would take a lot of pressure on to him after we get rid of either Honk or Moon. This is going to look bad, but I'll do this. unvote Vote : Honko |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 14:53:35 4D4F404041404D424F5C452E0 wrote:
The fact that I know I'm town is never relevant, except if someone claims to have info that says otherwise. Saying "I'm town" is usually meaningless, which is why you never really see me say it. But when someone claims to have info saying otherwise, it suddenly has a purpose. I know 100% that you're mafia, simply because I know 100% that I'm town, and unless you're pulling some kind of terrible trolling move, we can't both be town. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 14:59:18 50525D5D5C5D505F524158330 wrote:
Really really really stupid? More like really really really smart. Youre insinuating yourself in this more thasn anyone right now. Youre totally on Honkos side. Problem is I know 100% Honko is mafia. Look at him sweat. "im town I tells you!." When else do you ever see Honko do this? Only when he is backed into a corner and knows he is wrong. Trust me guys, Honko is maf and Web is is scum buddy.[/quote] Okay, I see the point here. There is no counter-claim on cop right now so you are the most likely cop. I have to pose the question to Honko though : Honko are you the cop?. If not, then I'm guessing that you're mafia with reasons above. I can't see RVZ or Shock being that role since they are both noobies and probably would have made it more obvious of their roles, and that leaves Third, Moon, and Cutz as the possible cops. Moon and Third I believe to be mafia for reasons stated above, which leaves cutz as the only possible cop. I don't see him counter-claiming, and if he does I will be suspicious of him, but it seems like it makes a lot more sense that way. It threw me off a little with your long inactivity followed by a claim, but it looks a lot more probable now that I took some time to think about it. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Zarkov on 12/12/10 at 14:59:55 547F786479160 wrote:
The fact that I know I'm town is never relevant, except if someone claims to have info that says otherwise. Saying "I'm town" is usually meaningless, which is why you never really see me say it. But when someone claims to have info saying otherwise, it suddenly has a purpose. I know 100% that you're mafia, simply because I know 100% that I'm town, and unless you're pulling some kind of terrible trolling move, we can't both be town.[/quote] Of course we both cant be town. Thats because youre scum. Its funny knowing that you are, and watching you say "im 100% town and youre 100% scum". We both know what the score is, and thats Zarkov = town seer, Honko = scum. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:01:05 7C6E6962656A7F64793A3F0B0 wrote:
The fact that I built cases on them shows I actually believed what I was saying. Unfortunately I ended up being wrong both times. But so did everyone else who voted for either of them, and it's a lot easier for mafia to just vote on a lynch than to come up with a case. And only 3 players have posted since Zarkov claimed. The cop could be one of the people who hasn't posted yet, or it could have been Ivo/padz/Brett. Saying there should have been a counterclaim by now is pretty stupid, Web. We HAVE TO lynch scum today or we lose. I don't want to lose, especially not without lynching a single mafia the entire game. You're letting Clark win the game for his team with the most obvious trick ever. Wake up. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:02:39 1507000B0C03160D105356620 wrote:
I am not the cop. And you are forgetting that any of the dead players (except Zwiebel) could be the cop. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:03:48 Lol web. Because I've posted infrequently doesn't mean I've posted list posts. Go back and read my posts, they're not list posts at all. You also followed along with my ideas on day 2. Today you've gone from "that was a really really stupid claim Clark" to "I'll vote Honko who, until this post, I've been vehemently supporting the whole game." 5240474C4B44514A571411250 wrote:
Moon, you're so eager to just bandwagon along with Clark's claim. You've also voted two members that were town, without reasoning on a bandwagon near the end. You are an obvious mafia, but the fact that Clark made a claim like that after not talking for the whole game makes me think he's easy mafia as well. You're just going along with your mafia buddy, it's kind obvious.[/quote] How is Moon Man "obviously mafia"? That post is really, really bad, Moon didn't bandwagon with Zark at all and was healthily suspicious of him. Moon doesn't even want to vote Honko at this point, he's voting you because you look worse (though he is suspicious of Honko for his reaction, which is also understandable). "This is going to look bad, but I'll do this." Yup, it sure does. You look like mafia finally abandoning your buddy as a last resort. vote Honko Honko/web basically seems confirmed unless someone counterclaims Zark. Honko's been peeked so he'd be the better choice. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:06:54 Shit ninja'd by Honko. Forgot dead people could be the cop. Should we vote web, then? I mean if Honk is town web is probably town so what's the difference. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:07:07 Either you guys are all mafia or you really enjoy losing. I don't know how else to explain someone looking at this game and deciding they trust Clark over me. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:09:37 Zark being seer makes sense and him being wolf makes sense. Guess I'll reread him pretty closely. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 15:09:42 Quote:
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That reason i debunked. You have no reason to why i am mafia, apart from your thought that i am "obviously" maf. Oh and i am not the cop if you want to know, i am 'villager'. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:11:33 If you trust Zarkov, you should vote for me. If you trust me, you should vote for Zarkov. The game is on the line, and there is only one thing everyone knows for sure. One of me and Clark is mafia. Voting for anyone else is stupid and scummy. But if you trust Clark over me you're stupid and scummy anyway. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 15:13:44 Everyone is jumping on me right now when if you look at it I'm not a good lynch for today. I've helped contribute the entire time to the game and now everyone who I just suspected is jumping on me. I basically just called Third / Honko / Moon as mafia, and now every single one of them showed up at the same time to jump on me and say that you should lynch me. Third hasn't posted at all today and suddenly appears when I accuse him. And yes I did overlook the fact that a dead person could be cop, but it doesn't kill my theory too much. Moon Man, you've been the worst looking player this entire game, how can you look at your posting style and say that you're town. If you want me to go back and bring up specific examples I can, but it just doesn't seem likely. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 15:15:09 754948534045444D4D210 wrote:
Here you vote Honko, then within the next post say that we should vote Web. You're trying to show that you were against Honko who may turn up mafia if we lynch him and then trying to changing to me in order to win the game. This is so if Honko gets lynched instead of me you can say "I actually meant to lynch Web", and hammer me again. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:17:55 No, the point is that you look awful and I'd rather lynch you, but we have a seer claim (which you can never fully trust). What makes Moon obvious maf over cutz, or RVZ? Their quality of posts has been about the same. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:19:03 2436313A3D32273C216267530 wrote:
I called you stupid. I didn't say you should be lynched. Anyone except Zarkov is a bad lynch today. And can you explain how it "doesn't kill your theory" that three players could very well be the cop and they'll never be able to counterclaim? If you like complicated math, there's a 3/12 chance the cop died without claiming. There's a 1/12 chance Clark is the cop. I'm no genious but 3 > 1. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 15:21:27 Moon Man since he finished his exams has actually been posting frequently, and still had absolutely nothing. He keeps echoing the thoughts of others without coming up with any analysis of his own. Cutz I could see as a suspect, but the thing is he was cleared by the seer claim. If you're trusting Zarkov enough to vote Honko, then you should trust him enough to see cutz as a non-mafia member. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:23:43 Yeah, we have to believe Zarkov on the basis of it being believable, not by process of elimination or whatever. Would help if Zark had actually posted on day 2. He did mention cutz once as someone who looked weird but "isn't hugely on my gaydar." This could conceivably be a seer mentioning this guy as town, though I wish Zark would've gone back and referenced this when he claimed seer. Honestly I'm leaning towards web/Honk because of web's play so far today. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 15:24:21 Isn't my playstyle a little too obvious for mafia. I mean, wouldn't a friendly mafia tell me (IF i was mafia) that my play style is bad? Then i explained my absense, but you have ignored it. I would't be surprised if Honko, Zarkov and web were mafia, but YOU (web) was the guy killing by night. The fact is if we kill Zarkov or Honko, not only do the other look better, but we would miss the potential guy (web) from murdering. Quote:
And wouldn't every mafia person be trying to act like town? A town acting like mafia is a bit stpuid for a tactic, but nevertheless it, it does sort of equal the lines on who could actually be mafia and who mafia should elimate from town, someone whop contributes a lot, or someone who does contribute much. Its far fetch, but if you dont want to believe me, sure go ahead. Maybe i might be wrong about zarkov and/or honko being mafia, but i am certain you are. I havnt started an actual vote on anyone and havnt voted without areaon that was consdered good for a vote, and if i was mafia, i would have carried on the trend. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 15:25:22 Quote:
What do you think my last posts on you were? While you claimed i band wagoned with zarkov and voted for honko, I WENT FOR YOU with good reason. Then the fact my words on you have been MY OWN. This line is from you complete bullshit. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:25:41 I'd like to see someone explain why they trust Clark's word over mine. Especially the people who thought Clark was suspicious before he claimed (ie everyone). He pulls the most obvious claim ever and suddenly you forget all the reasons you thought he was scum. Justify that for me, please. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:26:13 Nope nope nope. Moon has had solid posts today, don't think you've actually read them. He could still be mafia but not because "he hasn't done anything." You clear cutz with nothing but a questionable seer claim and don't even mention RVZ. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 15:26:50 41786265707A7463110 wrote:
So what you're saying is Zarkov decided to claim seer, and accuse one of his mafia buddies as mafia. How does that make any sense. You also don't seem to realize if we lynch a town, it's game over. Do you understand the game of mafia at all? The mafia collaboratively decides who to murder and it doesn't matter who sends in the night kill. This whole post is ;D |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:29:09 6E7C7B7077786D766B282D190 wrote:
So what you're saying is Zarkov decided to claim seer, and accuse one of his mafia buddies as mafia. How does that make any sense. You also don't seem to realize if we lynch a town, it's game over. Do you understand the game of mafia at all? The mafia collaboratively decides who to murder and it doesn't matter who sends in the night kill. This whole post is ;D [/quote] To make his seer claim more believable?! It is a weak post from Moon but good grief. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:30:12 Just so everyone knows, I'm leaving in an hour. If you have any questions for me that will help you make the right decision, you better ask them soon. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 15:32:46 142829322124252C2C400 wrote:
So what you're saying is Zarkov decided to claim seer, and accuse one of his mafia buddies as mafia. How does that make any sense. You also don't seem to realize if we lynch a town, it's game over. Do you understand the game of mafia at all? The mafia collaboratively decides who to murder and it doesn't matter who sends in the night kill. This whole post is ;D [/quote] To make his seer claim more believable?! It is a weak post from Moon but good grief.[/quote] Every post you make you're defending Moon Man's posts. Why would Zarkov want to do something like that? He could just have easily plugged anyone's name in there that is town and it looks like they would have believed him. And all the mafia needs is one town death and they win. Don't see where you're coming from here. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 15:34:53 Quote:
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O RLY? i didnt know that. The last time i played and the mafia decided who to kill, and the person who could kill sent in the action. Well unless the person who hosted in that game did it in some other way, i must be wrong. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Zarkov on 12/12/10 at 15:36:58 Honko is hella against me right now. If you lynch me today, you will see im the one telling the truth. This is Honko sacrificing himself. He knows that when I flip town, people will know he is scum. Guys, you have concrete evidence that Honko is scum. He is playing you right now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:37:42 HAH. I just realized I can prove Clark wrong. 3F3D323233323F303D2E375C0 wrote:
Check the name of the game. Check Tom's story posts about each death. There are no mafia in this game. This is werewolves! Nice move Clark. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :o |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 15:38:46 1D243E392C26283F4D0 wrote:
O RLY? i didnt know that. The last time i played and the mafia decided who to kill, and the person who could kill sent in the action. Well unless the person who hosted in that game did it in some other way, i must be wrong.[/quote] If you're talking about DK Mafia when we both were mafia, it was because we wanted someone to send in the kill each night different since they had a tracker that could see who people visited I'm pretty sure. This game it doesn't matter since the cop would turn up anyone who is mafia as scum. EDIT - oh, and Honko I sure hope that was a joke post :P |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 15:39:19 53515E5E5F5E535C51425B300 wrote:
But if you turn up town from a death by lynch, wont that mean they (mafia) have won. Well thats what web is saying that one more townie death equals to mafia victory? UNVOTE |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:40:00 I'm defending Moon because you're attacking him, damnit web. He's made some solid posts here on day 3 and you appear to be totally ignoring them. You're really on a ridiculous tangent right now, go back and read Moon's posts today, you've only quoted the one bad one. Guess the wolf fake seer claim and out a wolf doesn't make sense because if the wolf gets lynched but the fake seer doesn't get NKed the town knows he's a fake seer, hence two wolves get outed. Never mind that. You still haven't said a word about cutz/RVZ. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 2 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:40:09 677B7C7E7260746B22130 wrote:
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 15:40:33 1B30372B36590 wrote:
Check the name of the game. Check Tom's story posts about each death. There are no mafia in this game. This is werewolves! Nice move Clark. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :o[/quote] Isnt town called villagers? Sorry honko, but that reason is retarded if you havnt had relised the same for cutz. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:43:01 Is Honko serious right now? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 15:43:14 How about this. I can post some analysis on Cutz/RVZ next but I think this should make things a lot more clear. If Clark was lying, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have him accuse a noob player being mafia as oposed to Honko? It would make it much easier since Honko looked the best out of anyone in the beginning in terms of town while people like Cutz or Shock would have been much easier to throw under the bus for an easy win. Third, I don't understand you. You don't post at all the entire game except for small spurts, but when you are suddenly accused in a post you show up when not being at all active the whole day and go all out to defend yourself. Could you clarify this? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:46:24 I didn't highlight him calling cutz "town" because Tom hasn't been consistent about that. My PM says Villager, but when Ivo died Tom said he was "town". He has been consistent about calling wolves/mafia "werewolves" though. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 15:46:41 OK, i actually think clark and honko might have relised my theory. I mean why they fuck are zarkov and honko, who have made seemingly good posts previously, becoming retarded. CMON there has to be something suspisious. Maybe they are mafia,and are trying to protect another mafia Maybe i am wrong about webinator being some killer, but i think they could be protecting another mafia person of some soft of interest. Where that be web, third, cutz or me. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:47:47 I logged on to my computer at this time and came to the thread and saw what happened, I didn't "suddenly show up" except perhaps by coincidence. If you don't believe that then sorry. I was up till 5:30 AM playing Super Mario 64 with a friend and I slept until 1:00 and then played with him until 3:30 and ate some pizza and did a few other things online and then got on the thread. I've hardly defended myself at all, you're seeing what you want to see in everything I post and I'm getting really sick of it. There was a seer claim and I commented on it and you posted and I didn't like it and now all this has happened. I post when I feel I should, I don't have a pattern. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:48:23 I just pretty much proved Clark is lying. How is that retarded? And I like that in the meantime still nobody has given a reason why they believe Clark instead of me, despite being suspicious of him right until he claimed. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 15:49:05 11283235202A2433410 wrote:
This makes no sense. You are trying to back yourself out of what you said earlier in order to make it not seem as bad as it actually came out. And what you're saying is the third mafia could potentially be me, third cutz or yourself? I might be interpreting that wrong but that's what it looks like. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 15:49:08 OK, may be a stpuid question but if your villager, how many words are in your PM role message you got from tom. If your right and you are a villager, i should have got the exact same message as i am villager to. It may seem stupid, but it *might* clear your name. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:50:42 Lol Moon, that's cheating and surely isn't allowed. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:50:47 01382225303A3423510 wrote:
Any decent host would modkill me for answering this question. I sure as hell would, and I'd probably warn you for asking it as well. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 15:50:53 12393E223F500 wrote:
I've switched off in games calling them different names, and I"d say that it could be easily an error because of just playing the elite game. Also Third you didn't comment at all on my first part of the post, which is the main part of it and states why I believe Zarkov to be the real seer. oh and hahahaha Moon why would you even say that? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 15:51:46 3E2C2B2027283D263B787D490 wrote:
This makes no sense. You are trying to back yourself out of what you said earlier in order to make it not seem as bad as it actually came out. And what you're saying is the third mafia could potentially be me, third cutz or yourself? I might be interpreting that wrong but that's what it looks like.[/quote] Well arnt they the remaining players left that arnt honko or zarkov? Follow me here. IF zarkov and honko are BOTH mafia, one of us has to be mafia. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 15:53:31 OH SH-- i thought it was you couldn't directly quote your role. Didnt know anything about saying the number of words counted. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:53:37 And yeah I'm not sure what Moon is talking about right now, lol. If Zarkov is mafia he would never have outed Honko as mafia in his fake seer claim, because if he's not lynched and then not nightkilled the town will insta-kill him on day 4 (the cop being dead makes this 100%). Did you forget whether you're mafia or town? Why aren't Shock and RVZ in your list? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 15:54:03 No crap. You're also forgetting Shock and RVZ. How does that statement say anything though? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 15:55:39 142829322124252C2C400 wrote:
FUUUUUUUUUUUU. Sorry guys but i completely forgot about them. Seriously. It's proberbly because they havnt posted at all today. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 15:56:09 The first part of your post says that because Honko led the lynches of Zwieb and Ivo, he could be mafia. Correct? Guess I'll reread Honko. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 15:56:29 3D2F2823242B3E25387B7E4A0 wrote:
If Honko was lying, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have him counterclaim cop? It would make it much easier since apparently everyone immediately drops all suspicions of someone once they claim cop. You can't reason like that, because mafia can just assume you will think that way and make a harder move in order to seem more convincing. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 16:02:56 Cutz and RVZ really need to talk right now, but I can't say much more about them until they do. RVZ has only looked really bad on D1 when was getting the hang of the game, but then disappeared. I don't know whether to account that to the fact that he's a noob town or just mafia, or just plain inactive. Cutz is more suspicious than RVZ in my opinion especially because he's been online and hasn't posted, but he hasn't said anything that could hurt his case any, he's just not said anything. They are both kind of confusing to figure out because they haven't contributed much, but if you look at Moon's posting he looks much much worse. They look pretty bad, but if you look at Moon's posting recently, he's just breaking down completely similar to when he was mafia in the DK game. He's contradicting himself every post and at this juncture in the game it never helps you. EDIT - @Third since he told me to say something about Cutz and RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 16:03:19 Notice that Clark has disappeared again now. He's done his damage, now he'll let us tear ourselves apart instead of sticking around and risking a slip up. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/12/10 at 16:04:53 I have to eat dinner now, I'll be back on later tonight most likely and if not I'll be back after school tomorrow with maybe a post in the morning. I wouldn't make any decisions until the EOD, but if you guys want to lynch right now that's your decision, I just think it's a stupid one. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/12/10 at 16:11:39 OFFTOPIC : How many hours left of day three? ONTOPIC : Honko, you and zarkov are pretty much suggesting that the other is mafia. Am i correct to assume that? Why should we vote you or zarkov? I mean there is a 50/50 in one of you being mafia. What to think here is that if one of you were mafia, wouldn't the other mafia (speaking in terms of just one mafia player) players vote for the right side. Would you think that looking at the players voting on your side, or zarkovs side be suspisious. I mean it is a clear mind fuck with both of you and if one of your sides has a player that is bandwagoning in a way, that would bring suspision. If you are truely town (the same goes for zarkov), can you clearly point out ANYONE that bandwagons a vote. The fact is, from my point, it is unclear who is telling the truth, so i think you pointing out a band wagoner may help on which one of you is town and who is mafia. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/12/10 at 16:14:16 Okay, Honko does make a specific case for Ivootjes and Zwiebel on day 1. web accurately said that he brought up cases for these guys, I misrepresented him when I said web said that Honko "led the lynches." At least Honko tried, though! Zark had three inconclusive posts on day 2 and never voted. The problem is that we have to pin one of these guys as mafia, we can't say "lynch Zark because Honko will help us more later." Just sucks. Would like some input from cutz/RVZ/Shock, we need to figure this out! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 16:22:00 774E5453464C4255270 wrote:
Yes, Zarkov is mafia. I don't think anyone is currently voting for him though. Everyone voting for me is somewhat suspicious because I don't think any of them have explained how they got from "Zarkov is the most suspicious guy in the game and I shall vote him" to "Zarkov claimed cop, it must be true! Honko is maf!" so quickly. It's one thing to be wrong when you have decent reasons for making your decision, like I feel I did with Ivo and Zwiebel. It's another to be wrong and avoid giving reasoning at all. So far today I've seen a lot more talk about whether Web is scum than about Clark vs Honko, even though Clark vs Honko is probably going to DECIDE THE GAME. This tells me people are avoiding the subject, and that looks bad for everyone. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Honko on 12/12/10 at 16:24:33 And now I'm out of time. I won't be back until after this day ends. Good luck town, hopefully you make the right choice and we're still alive when I get back. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Zarkov on 12/12/10 at 16:32:52 072C2B372A450 wrote:
Was playing vidya. Anyway, youre basis for me lying is "clark said mafia instead of wolf" and "clark isnt here to defend" Pretty weak. Even though im pretty sure youre joking with the wolf/mafia thing, all game ive interchanged wolf/mafia/scum. It makes no difference. You are scum. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by The Gaff on 12/13/10 at 01:50:53 There is approximately 26 hours left of DAY 3. You need a majority to lynch or there will be a no lynch. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by RVZ on 12/13/10 at 06:32:16 I'm leaning a bit more towards Zarkov's side. He seems pretty sure that Honko is mafia. How Honko reacted to his claim say's a lot. Looked somewhat like panic :D Haven't seen this kind of behaviour from his side the entire game. Also will explain why Web was so sure about Honko beeing town, cuz he may be his maf buddie. On the other hand Zarkov could just bluffing by claiming he's cop to end this game right now like Honko says, but I don't think this is the case :-/ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by RVZ on 12/13/10 at 06:34:16 Still undecided though |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/13/10 at 12:07:15 0B2C3C272128283A490 wrote:
Have you read my recent posts? I was surprised by Zarkov's first claim after not talking and thought it looked suspicious, so I made a gut post without thinking about it. Then I took a step back, read back over the game's context, and realized I made a mistake. I believe Zarkov right now. Did you see this post at all? 7062656E69667368753633070 wrote:
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by RVZ on 12/13/10 at 12:20:30 You could easily discussed this with Honko (implying he's maf) that by voting him you can keep yourself out of the loop a bit. So that doesn't clear a thing zack webinator. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/13/10 at 12:44:38 I understand that, but if I were mafia, all I would have to do is lynch one town in order to win the game. It makes no sense to try and lynch one of my mafia buddies in this situation when lynching a townie would be much easier and make more sense. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Shock on 12/13/10 at 14:04:53 I think tonight it would be best to go with a Moon Man lynch, tbh. Either that, or no lynch at all. If Zarkov is indeed the seer, the mafia will go for him tonight. Our town doctor likely died with Zwiebel, so unless the doctor comes out of hiding now, it is a reasonable assumption to state that no one is stopping them. I think it's safe to say that the mafia won't lynch Honko tonight now that all this suspicion has been raised against him. So, if Zarkov is not killed in the night, and another random person is killed in the night, we know not to trust Zarkov because if he really was the town seer, he would be dead. I've been thinking about this an awfully long time. I say the town goes just to live another day and lynches Moon Man. Then, we can look at the events of the night and make a better informed decision about who to lynch tomorrow. Zarkov or Honko that is. I will continue to think about this, but in case I don't make up my mind and die in the night, know that I have a bad feeling about Honko. He 3 times went after town in his posts, and if I recall correctly, after the town had a slight scum lean on that person anyway. Am I mistaken? Either way, 3 towns is a pretty bad statistic. Vote Moon |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by RVZ on 12/13/10 at 14:35:52 I'm up to bed now, so I made my desicion. It would be a stupid thing not to vote for Honko right now. It's the best choice to lynch cuz lynching someone else is just a shot in the dark. Cuz with 1 misslynch, we lost the game. Vote: Honko |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/13/10 at 14:42:29 That's four on Honko I think (Web, Third, RVZ, Zark) . One more until majority lynch I'm pretty sure. Votals would be nice if someone wants to get around to them. I don't understand why you don't think it's a good idea to lynch Honko today, Shock. Look at it like this: Him not being alive is a major handicap to the mafia, whereas killing moon is not going to hinder the mafia all that much. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Moon Man on 12/13/10 at 14:57:21 Just my recap for the day from my perspective. Zarkov comes out of no where from rarely posting in D2, to claim seer, when the people (web and I) where putting him in pressure. Honko's reaction of "I know i am town herp derp" to zarkovs claim of seer and claiming that honko is mafia. Oh and dont forget the legendary "but zarkov said mafia instead of wolf" Then you (shock) come in on the last thirteen hours of day three with a vote on me, spewing that i "voted for three town, i must be mafia". Just remember people, because of my shoddy play style, it wouldn't be hard for someone (presumably a mafia player) to starta lynching train on me, getting the last town kill and winning. Shock has presumed honko is town with the "mafia wont lynch honko tonight". Makes me think whether he and honko are mafia, and shock is trying to start a lynch moon man thing. You ignore honkos retarded reasons for zarkov being mafia and for honko being town. Quote:
I have to give web some credit, that honko did come up with some good arguments for voting people who were town. That did help mafia alot, whether he is mafia or not. I just hope for towns sake he is mafia, or we have lost. But then again, i think honko thought it was going so well for him, and no one would be suspious of him, then of course, zarkov comes out of no where, and whether his seer claim is valid or not, it did have him stuttering bullshit. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Shock on 12/13/10 at 17:26:41 4B72686F7A707E691B0 wrote:
Wow. You didn't read the end of my post at all. What I'm saying is, I am very uncomfortable voting Honko or Zarkov right now, so I am going with neither. My last part was saying Honko has helped mislead the town 3 times, and although this can be an honest mistake, (like my 2 misinterprets), it is rather fishy. My opinion right now is Honko is maf, but I refuse to bring the hammer down on him today. I'll be back in a little bit. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Shock on 12/13/10 at 17:54:16 Okay, I've struggled to put this to words, but this is what I think is quite possible. Three out of the four current voters could be mafia. Why would the mafia not vote today? This is their chance to bring this game home. This could easily be a contrivance of the three: finish the game by having the town lynch Honko. Complete success, not one mafia lynched, best town player gone by the very town majority. Web, your last post about asking me to think about it this way: keeping Honko alive would be helpful to the mafia. Who is to say that? You are saying that under the presumption that he IS mafia without a doubt. You are seeing me now as a possible active town player who can finish this bandwagon. RVZ, you could be setting up your posts to make them look like you are thinking quite a bit about the situation before you vote Honko, and you call voting anyone else a "shot in the dark." And of course, the last mafia. Zarkov himself, the planner of this whole drama? Unvote Vote Zarkov Honko and I are definitely not mafia buddies. Where's the third? I encourage the other real town player who's still active to join me on this and not allow this bandwagon to happen. In my eyes, all nonvoters are currently cleared. Moon, Cutz, you're cleared. Thiradell, I believe you are town for multiple reasons. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Shock on 12/13/10 at 17:59:13 Actually, now wow I'm confused. I'm convinced that 3/4 of you are mafia though. Which 3? RVZ's earlier posts today look honest, but I just don't know... :-/ What I do know though is not to vote Honko. C'mon real town, help me out here before the day ends. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Shock on 12/13/10 at 18:42:59 Goddammit, sorry for all the straight posts, but I know this thread is being viewed! Speak up if you're viewing this and can still post for being not dead yet! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/13/10 at 19:35:30 cutz, where are you?! Shock had some decent thoughts in his post before abandoning it in favor of a conspiracy theory that doesn't help anything. unvote vote Zarkov That makes it 3-3 between Zarkov and Honko. What if we didn't lynch anyone and just waited to see who the mafia killed on night 3? It'd be a risk to let Zark survive (to make him look like mafia) if he's the seer because he could peek someone else. Our options are lynch a mafia or lynch no one and right now I don't know who is mafia. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/13/10 at 19:40:18 Ehhhhh does that really help anything though? The mafia lets Zark and Honk live, Zark claims another peek and we're back to where we started. There are nine townies, four have been killed and we know basically for certain that one was the cop. This leaves eight who could potentially be the seer, three of whom are dead. If Zark is a wolf, chances are the real seer is alive and could counterclaim (5/8 chance). That combined with web's ridiculous play just pushes me to Honk, I guess. unvote Honko |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by padz on 12/13/10 at 20:53:14 7B6760626E7C68773E0F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Shock on 12/13/10 at 21:19:18 I don't think my conspiracy theory is unfounded, Third. From a statistical point of view, I am the only one supporting Honko right now. That means that at least 2 mafia are voting for Honko's demise. As Web said, why would the mafia be willing to sacrifice their own right now when they can go for the kill? I'm now doubly suspicious because I have watched the views in this thread go way up, and you are the only one who posted. According to my own post, the one I trusted. And then, you turn down my conspiracy theory after seemingly deliberating over the issue like a good town player would. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Shock on 12/13/10 at 21:56:48 However... I could be wrong. In fact, I actually think I am. Honko's behavior after Zarkov's accusation is just off. After that, it's a simple move for the mafia to ditch him and leave little trail of it behind. Web's post about not lynching mafia seems actually now to be a perfect cover up for tomorrow and hiding from the town. Hmm... I've made up my mind. Although it is likely that this could be a conspiracy, a second look at Honko's posts makes me think he is scum and Zarkov really is seer. Maybe I've been thinking about this too hard and I just need to back off and read the game as it is. idk. God I wish I wasn't in this position, but something needs to be done tonight. I hope what I'm about to do isn't the town's demise. Unvote Vote Honko :-X |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by The Gaff on 12/14/10 at 01:16:48 Three hours left. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Ivootjes on 12/14/10 at 02:08:17 I like how there's 3 hours left when a majority is already reached ;D honko (5): zarkov, web, third, rvz, shock zarkov (1): honko |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by The Gaff on 12/14/10 at 03:50:07 End of Day 3: In the early hours of the morning when taking a seemingly innocent stroll through the woods, Mrs Spril discovered a body. She raised the alarm and soon the mob were back at it. This time suspicions were rife! Everyone was arguing and tempers flared. “Who could do such a thing” asked Webinator the Village baker. “It must’ve been Zarkov said Honko”. Soon the dust settled and the evidence seemed irrefutable. It had to be Honko!!. At mid-day the mob then brought, the accused, Honko, into the village square and prepared the guillotine. It was a swift cut, slicing off Honko's head with a clean blow. Blood squirted out all over the crowd who applauded vigorously. Honko died, Honko was a Werewolf (ala mafia). Night 3 Begins. Everyone please send me their actions. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by The Gaff on 12/15/10 at 01:22:53 In the middle of the night every lay still, eyes wide open through fear of savagery. This seemed to be a strong enough deterrent as on Night 3, no villagers were eaten. It is now Day 4. This day will last 48 hours. If no majority is made then it will end with a no lynch. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by Zarkov on 12/15/10 at 06:12:03 Hi. Ok so il come out with my peek for N3. Big thanks to the Doctor, whoever that is btw. It seems mafia were silly enough to go for me, they took a risky chance that the doctor was already dead instead of going for a definite town they could kill. So yeah, N3 peek. Web = town. I went for Web as I was sure he was in cahoots with Honko regarding quite a few things so was surprised to see him peek town. So we have 7 players left. Web, Cutz and me are town. So that leaves 2 of Moon Man, RVZ, Third and Shock as maf. Very winnable now imo. Personally I dont think Third is maf. He hasnt been nearly as active as he was in the Elite game. Not that he was wolf in that or anything, he just seems a little disinterested to me. Everything he says comes off well. Shock could still be wolf, but he has got better as the game has gone on. I think he shouldnt be focused on today either. Its RVZ and Moon Man who we should be looking at today. 100% one of them is wolf, and a very good chance both of them are. RVZ got saved by Honko pretty much so one would think that puts him square in the wolf camp. Moon Man aswell with his hammer D1. So we should def go with one of these two. Im gonna plump with Moon Man, as im sure most people agree, he seems the most obvious wolf. vote Moon Man |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by Shock on 12/15/10 at 08:32:25 Okay, that's good. Everyone's search for the remaining two mafia are left in a group of 5 people. Me, Third, RVZ and Moon. RVZ definitely was saved pretty much by Honko. And now I think he really was bluffing in his post "You will kill me and I will lol. [smiley=beer.gif]." He had a pattern of scum sounding posts when under attack, and I think a lynch of him would be wise. However, there is also Moon Man. I'm afraid he's much more obvious scum than RVZ. The only thing I can think of why not to lynch him is his post "well, count the number of words in your town PM." This could easily be him bluffing. He would know that the town would be able to give the number, and he could easily say "Wow, that's correct!" Especially since he knew he was questioning Web, and the answer would be 100% fullproof given Web is town. 78415B5C49434D5A280 wrote:
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This makes no sense. You are trying to back yourself out of what you said earlier in order to make it not seem as bad as it actually came out. And what you're saying is the third mafia could potentially be me, third cutz or yourself? I might be interpreting that wrong but that's what it looks like.[/quote] Cutz and Web are cleared. Based on what Zarkov said, I trust that Thiradell is likely town. In fact, he is probably the doctor, doing an excellent job of staying on the down low and also posting like town. Basically, he's saying that Honko could be trying to protect him [Moon]. Let's also not forget the troll post he made at the beginning of Day 3. I get the impression that he thought he was a gonner and wanted to get a good laugh out of frustrating the town one more night. And then there is how Moon tried to tie Honko and me together after I voted for him. I think he knew Honko was maf and was trying to get the spotlight on me for today. Unfortunately, that has failed since the spotlight is again on Moon. There's also much more against Moon Man, but I think I don't need to iterate any more. He is the wise lynch for tonight. [Let's also not forget that the mafia was indeed not thinking clearly enough to not vote Zarkov. RVZ and Moon are both clearly noobs, and with the evidence against them I'd say they're noob mafia who just completely slipped up last night. Honko was definitely the mafia guide I think, and now RVZ and Moon are completely exposed.] Vote: Moon |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by Shock on 12/15/10 at 08:33:12 *group of 4 people. [smiley=lolk.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 09:59:30 Glad to see I'm cleared. Only bad thing is that I'm lumped in with cutz as an easy mafia kill for the night if we mislynch today. We have another mulligan now, which is really good as opposed to a mislynch or lose scenario. Honestly Moon is probably the "safest" lynch today, but I think that Shock should definitely be watched as well. Towards the end of the day he was really inconsistent, and seemed to bandwagon at the end with a post that slightly looked like he was giving up in a last attempt to save Honko, although it could be a mistake. I still Think third has potential to be mafia as stated above but it appears as if the town isn't going to go that way today. RVZ is the most town for me out of the non-clears, just because he seemed like a true newbie. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 10:02:31 Oh and Shock, I think that putting votes on Moon this early is kind of stupid, since we only need 4 to majority lynch. I think everyone knows he's under suspicion, but since Cutz is now a clear (and hasn't spoken since he is cleared), I really want to see what he has to say. Also RVZ is now a main suspect and I think that he should have a chance to speak. We could get a huge slip from the mafia that would make it easy today, honestly I think it could come from everyone but Third if he was maf. If third isn't the mafia, then mafia are pretty much screwed because all Honko did was probably tell them exactly what to post. I say look for supporters of Honko early on, it might lead to mafias. I'm going to check the game, brb. EDIT - oh and Gaff, it's Day four ;D. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by Shock on 12/15/10 at 11:11:44 Yeah, the 5 v 2 ratio is a lot nicer than the 5 v 3 of last night. ;D A mislynch today though will bring us back to a 3 v 2 though, so that is a legitimate concern. My vote though stays on Moon Man until he speaks up. In the mean time, it is only 2 votes, so we can safely discuss the events of the past few days in the mean time. For example, can you explain why RVZ is your most likely town? I don't like that redirect by Honko, and his reactions can be easily read as noob scum too. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 11:37:55 Hmm I have been doing some major re-reading, and I'm going to make a few posts. Here's a Honko post on Day 2. 654E495548270 wrote:
This makes me suspect Shock to be a town slightly, because even though Honko plays a smart game he probably wasn't expecting to get lynched this early due to the fact that he plays very well. So here he places Shock at the top of the list, which I don't think a mafia member would do to one of his teammates at this early stage in the game. I can't think of any way where that would be likely, since a lot of people could have followed Honko to the lynch. So honestly now Shock drops down my list of suspects, and I want to say Third and Moon over RVZ, which I'll explain in my next post. I think that they would have slipped by now if it was Moon and RVZ, it seems way too obvious to be the two noobish players. Again, I could be overthinking things but I we have over 36 hours left to decide. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by RVZ on 12/15/10 at 13:45:43 I don't know where the 'Honko saved RVZ' came from, but whatever. Ivo was the one that saved me actually. Honko didn't do a thing iirc. To lazy to read back tho :D About this suspectlist I understand why I'm in it cuz cop zarkov figured/scanned shit out. And I have a slight feeling Shock is trying to put a lynch towards me by repeating Zarkov's idiotic claim that Honko saved me or some sort of. Nice try Shock [smiley=flush.gif] But since the margin is 2 lynches now and seeing that Moon Man is suspected like the whole game I think it's a good idea to finally figure out. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by RVZ on 12/15/10 at 13:49:19 And Zarkov I also want to know why either moon Man or me is maf, or both. That's also based on nothing besides both beeing noobs |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by Shock on 12/15/10 at 15:01:35 Actually, if you look at page three Rob, you'll see that Ivo is who started the bandwagon on you. Zwiebel asked Honko what his thought's were, and Honko gave a neutral reply and called the wagon "telling us very very little." He effectively cut off further discussion of you pretty much. Quote:
Yes, that completely makes you not look like mafia. Not reading back on the topic, then calling ME the idiot for following an apparent "idiotic" claim by the town seer. You then go with the Moon wagon. Also RVZ, if you actually read Zarkov's post, he had the search list narrowed to 3 people, 2 of which were mafia. Simple mathematics says 2 cannot fill the space of 1. Unvote Vote RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Night 3 Post by RVZ on 12/15/10 at 15:11:41 Ivo didn't started it, he just randomly voted me and he also said that. He was the first one that unvoted me since he knew that I't wasn't any good to lynch me. Zarkov said Quote:
Hey, that's 4 [smiley=lolk.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/15/10 at 15:27:12 "Personally I dont think Third is maf. He hasnt been nearly as active as he was in the Elite game. Not that he was wolf in that or anything, he just seems a little disinterested to me. Everything he says comes off well." From the town's perspective, it's 4. From Zarkov's perspective, it's 3, because he ruled Third out. That's why he says 100% one of you two is mafia. What Ivo said and did early in the game doesn't matter; he didn't know and we still don't know if you're mafia or not. Even if he was first to unvote, the point is that Honko cut off the discussion with a neutral post. Taking one side or the other would have led to further discussion. At later points in the game, Honko expounded on town leans by bringing further insights against them. He didn't do this at all to you, but he could have, and unless you are maf, I don't see why he didn't. Tell me why I shouldn't re read the first few pages and NOT come to the conclusion that you are mafia. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 15:55:50 I wouldn't rule anyone out unless they are cleared. It seems really stupid either way. Third could come out and be mafia very easily, it doesn't have to be the worst players that are the mafia, it's been proven time and time again. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 16:53:00 Sweet, Shock/RVZ/Moon are the remaining mafia and we've got at least two days to find them. Guess I'll start a...reread! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 1 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 17:09:51 5E677D7A6F656B7C0E0 wrote:
556C7671646E6077050 wrote:
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I'm pretty convinced that Moon is mafia looking over his posts (really inconclusive/defensive), but from these there seems to be an equal chance that Shock/RVZ is the other. I'm thinking: -We lynch RVZ/Shock today -If they're town, we know the mafia (this assumes I'm town, yes) -If they're mafia, it's 4 on 1 and we can still win if Moon is somehow town Basically in the bag at this point, guess I'll reread Shock/RVZ real quick and cast my vote. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 3 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 17:12:39 Yeah RVZ/Shock butted heads on day 1, don't see how these guys can both be mafia. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 17:17:40 ^^Third you aren't cleared. Honestly everyone's writing Third off when he's still one of my main suspects. (our of 4 lol). Even though this game is pretty much won, we shouldn't push Third off to the side. Right now what I think we should do is lynch the person that's least likely to be the doctor, so Zarkov can get another scan in regardless of who he scans, limiting it down to three people whose roles are unknown. It doesn't necessarily matter if they are mafia or town, just the least likely to be doc because we still have a mislynch. Out of everyone here that's still in the game, I think that Shock is the safest lynch (even though I said he looks kind of towny earlier). He seems to be playing a bold game where he isn't afraid to post what he thinks, and I doubt that the doc would do something like that. Docs normally like to stay back but not look like mafia, and post good analysis but not make themselves the forefront of activity. Even if he's town, then it's 4-2, mafia probably kills a clear and it's 3-2. Zarkov gets a scan and he either gets the last town (meaning that we know the two mafias), or he'll find one of the mafias and we have an easy lynch. If he's mafia, it makes our work much easier. Vote : Shock |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 17:20:38 And Third,I think Moon has a great chance to be mafia, it's just I have a gut he could be noob townie as doc or something, and I don't want to take that risk. He can be a lynch if we have no info (i.e. something goes horribly wrong and Zarkov gets killed N4) since he seems to be the most obvious. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 17:23:05 lol sorry for triple post, but I have to say this. Even if you do turn out to be mafia Third (which is seeming less and less of a possiblity, but still posssible), we still pretty much win as long as Zarkov is still alive. That's why I'm suggesting we look for the least likely to be doc (although Cutz/web could be doc so this could defeat the purpose), but I think it's better than relying on the fact that you're a 100% clear townie. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 17:29:34 Both guys targeted each other, both guys targeted Moon. I'm really not sure, but I've been curious about RVZ since he barely escaped day 1. vote RVZ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 17:30:49 Yeah but the doc can't save the same person back-to-back nights, can he? I think Zark dies tonight no matter what. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 17:35:59 I doubt it. I think that was a rule in the Elite game, but I don't remember that being a rule in the kart game. I don't think that you're prevented from protecting someone twice in a row. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 17:49:15 Okay well if that's the case the game is basically over, I did some analysis and there's one scenario where it could shake out as 2-1 where a confirmed townie would have to decide between two unconfirmeds. Can we get a ruling from Tom on this? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 17:53:28 Yeah, that's if we lynch a town today and Zark finds a mafia tomorrow in his scan. Then it will be town to Zark, a town, and a maf which are unconfirmed, and could be a crapshoot. By then though cutz and I will probably be dead. If the doc can protect and as long as we don't lynch him, it's autowin. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 17:53:44 That's assuming the doc comes out right now to help the town, which I guess wouldn't be necessary. However: -Zark, web, cutz are confirmed town Me, Moon, RVZ, Shock If any of us are doc, game is 100% over. The only way the game doesn't end right now is if cutz/web are doc (that was a presupposition of all the analysis I just mentioned that I forgot about). |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 17:54:45 And I'm not the doc, heh. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 17:55:27 I mean I guess there can be claiming and counterclaiming. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 17:56:10 oh yeah, forgot about that. Mafia goes for clears then and if cutz is doc (since I'm not), then we might have to make a choice and it might not be autowin. Let's stop discussing scenarios on the endgame though and focus on who to lynch today. Looks like Shock/RVZ, I listed my reasoning for Shock but I can make more. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 17:57:07 0935342F3C393831315D0 wrote:
No. Bad choice. Doc should not come out today and any doc that does should get lynched. That's a really stupid move and would hurt the town greatly, potentially costing the game. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 18:05:45 Okay. I agree with you that Shock probably isn't the doctor (you're making more sense to me than you did yesterday, hehe). unvote vote Shock |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 18:08:32 it's better now that I'm clear. If I had posted this yesterday I probably would have easily gotten lynched lol. I want to see what everyone else has to say first though obviously before we finish this lynch. CUTZ YOU NEED TO TALK! BEING CLEAR DOESN"T MEAN YOU DON'T POST ANYMORE!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 18:18:25 Yeah seriously lol, he's brutally idle right now. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/15/10 at 18:55:40 I'm off for the night. If there's any discussion (I doubt it lol), just don't lynch, and don't claim doc. I really don't care who we lynch today when it comes to Shock or RVZ, but I greatly prefer Shock. I could go with RVZ, I just think Shock is more mafia then RVZ and less likely to be doc. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/15/10 at 20:00:15 7260676C6B64716A773431050 wrote:
No. Bad choice. Doc should not come out today and any doc that does should get lynched. That's a really stupid move and would hurt the town greatly, potentially costing the game.[/quote] Wow. No it's not. What we have is a group of 4 people who are uncleared. Everyone else is dead or cleared. The 4 people are Third, RVZ, Moon, and me. One is plain villager. One is Doc. Two are scum. The doc claims now and he avoids a lynch. That leaves one villager and 2 scum. We lynch, a town flip and we know which 2 are mafia. A mafia flip, and there's one villager and one town left, and the scanner will have that figured out if he lives the night. The NK doesn't even matter if the scanner lives the night, in other words, and the town makes some kind of lynch. We win the game by not lynching the doctor, so the doctor revealing himself wins the game. Time to make this more personal. If you look at all my posts as a whole, you will see that I am town. All my posts have a town ring to them, because I am town. I started more quiet in this game as an effort to stay alive. Notice one of my earliest posts in the game in response to some pressure by padz. "The purpose of the game for me is to stay alive." That was really dumb, and I thought I would get NK'd, but here I am. Also, notice that Honko did genuinely go after and vote me. I posted more in the other half of yesterday because I knew that a mislynch would mean a lose for the town, and I desperately wanted more activity for the decision to be clearer. I posted a lot against Moon and RVZ in an effort to keep the spotlight off me. (Obviously failing). For these reasons and more, it should be clear that I am town. And I am more than town. I am doctor. Any counterclaim is mafia. Okay, so now that I'm in the open, I will tell you who I protected, if that makes any difference. N1: Thiradell. I was lost in the mind N1, and I picked him because he seemed town to me, but also a little undercover. I suspected him as seer, but of course I was wrong. N2: Webinator. A steady and consistent poster, I decided it would be best to make sure he stays in. I considered protecting Honko, but some of the day's posts made me change my mind. N3: Zarkov. This was a no-brainer. Zarkov came into the open, and I am claiming doctor right now in an effort to make sure he stays alive. N4 will obviously be Zarkov again, given that I don't get lynched by the town. And there you have it. As soon as you guys believe me, we have won the game. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/15/10 at 20:24:43 unvote Any objections? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 00:03:34 LMAO Shock! Desperate move! Now that most likely your last seconds lasted you come out with this bullshit move claiming Doc. You posted a lot cuz against Moon and me cuz you were maf, end I was right the whole time about this it seems :D Nice try but I'm theDoc. And this is why Ivo was defending me so hard on Day1 cuz I showed it to him. I'm pretty sure that isn't allowed but the rules weren't very clear. Showing Ivo was my owning safe. My protections were N1: Honko N2: Zarkov N3: Zarkov Plz town dont fall for this bullshit claim of Shock Vote: Shock |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 00:08:44 And protecting someone twice a row is allowed as you can see |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 03:14:01 Shock, you realize how stupid it was to claim doc, don't you? Now Zark can only get one more peek the whole game. That was a horrible move, even if you are actually the doc. Let's see here. Let's say we lynch RVZ today, and mafia kills probably me. If RVZ is mafia, then Zark gets a peek, and has a 33% chance of winning the game on that day, since one mafia and two town remain (that aren't cleared) If RVZ is town, then Zark gets a peek, and has a 66% chance of getting a maf but only a 33% chance of winning the game. That's assuming you're doc of course, which I do not believe at all right now. Can't you see how bad of a claim that was? Now that the mafia knows it (again, assuming you're doc), they can pressure the lynch. You just narrowed it down to a crapshoot on the last day when before it would have been an autowin. [smiley=flush.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 03:16:19 Wait. Wow I didn't see RVZ's counterclaim there at all. WHY DID YOU GUYS THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO DO THIS! WE HAD THE GAME SEALED! Sigh. I have to go to school, but honestly RVZ's claim looks way more bullshitty due to who he decided to protect. Explain your peeks RVZ, none of them make sense for the day that you decided to do them on. Why Zarkov on N2 when before he was useless and inactive? It makes no sense. unvote To prevent any majority lynches while I'm gone at school hopefully. Cutz, you really are one of the worst mafia players I've seen if you think you can't post now that you're clear. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 03:18:37 Also, technically you should be modkilled for contacting outside the thread, but I guess Tom will let it slide since he isn't really watching this thread anyway. Sigh, this game just went from almost auto-win to a huge pain in the ass. I'll be back at three, hopefully everyone hasn't claimed doc by then. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by The Gaff on 12/16/10 at 03:42:03 7062656E69667368753633070 wrote:
I'm always watching. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 04:31:19 3123242F28273229347772460 wrote:
OMG I can't believe you actually doubt my claim Zack! I know it's a dumb move to reveal myself but I had to cuz Shock claimed doc >:( Otherwise I would've stayed anonimous ofcourse. I protected Honko N1 cuz he seemed to me the most townlike. With good theories and very helpfull information. I was afraid that mafia would want to get rid of him asap. since he's one of the best end experienced. Remember that this was the beginning. N2: With Ivo, Padz and Zwiebel already lynched. There were only 2 IMO good/experienced players left; Zarkov and Honko. I started to have my doubts a little on Honko because he now helped us lynch 2 active town players which I think isn't a mistake that Honko will make. So I protected Zarkov, it was all just a gamble for me. Remember I'm one of the noobiest players at this game. I didn't really knew what to do. So my reasons may be a bit odd but I can't change what I did :-/ |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by The Gaff on 12/16/10 at 04:46:26 24hours left of the day. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 05:06:54 Oh man I hate this. I have to go to work. I'll be back at 10 tonight to answer questions. All I can say for now is; We had this fucking game in the BAG! Till Shock showed up claiming Doc to mess things up. That forced me to reveal myself, I'm sorry guys :( See you guys tonight! :-* |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/16/10 at 08:31:54 Zack, I honestly don't understand what you're smoking these days. Let's try this again. I believed you at first about the claiming doc loses the game, but after thinking about it, I realized it WINS the game, and that's why I revealed. Also, 1 more peek is a lot better than 0, which is what you guys will be getting if you lynch me. There are 4 possible scum players left. Me. RVZ. Moon. Third. As long as the doctor doesn't get lynched, the seer gets 1 more night to peek. The direction we were going, I was going to get lynched, so I had to claim. Now that you guys know that I am doctor, it's down to three people. RVZ. Moon. Third. Any lynch today reveals something about the other 2. Suppose we lynch Third and he comes up town. In that case, the seer can go ahead and scan me. I come back town, and you know to finish off the other two. You'll also know to do this from the fact of me being NKed. We lynch a mafia, and the seer can scan one of the other two. Based on his results, you lynch the remaining scum. In the case that we lynch a mafia, you'll know that I'm the doctor by how I go hard after a clear mafia today; that is RVZ. He responded to my whole post with a "LMAO, I'm the doctor, here are my illogical peeks." The mafia HAD to countervote, otherwise you guys would take my word for it, and the mafia cannot afford that. This is their last straw. Once you believe me, it's game over. "We had this fucking game in the BAG! Till Shock showed up claiming Doc to mess things up. That forced me to reveal myself, I'm sorry guys." Oh I'm sorry, did I mess up the game for you Robert? I forced you to "reveal" yourself? ;D Good job, you've revealed your mafia scummosity for the remaining thread to see. Then: "OMG I can't believe you doubt my claim Zack! >:(." Yeah, you're mafia butt is now in the process of screwdome. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/16/10 at 08:57:13 6072757E79766378652623170 wrote:
Lynching RVZ today tells the most to the town either way. You'll know to lynch me tomorrow if he comes back town, and of the remaining two who aren't cleared, Zarkov can take care of that. All we need is 1 more peek, and I came out of the hole to avoid getting lynched and guaranteeing that last peek. On the other hand, if RVZ is mafia, I'll be in the clear, and the remaining two can get a scan, just like the other scenario. This is my word against RVZ's really. I've thought about the situation a lot more than he has, and he just bandwagoned on your faulted logic, Web. This is the guy who panicked day 1, disappeared after he left the spotlight, claimed shielding Zarkov on D2, formatted his counterclaim to match my claim because he didn't know how else to do it, and the list goes on. In any case, it doesn't matter how bad you still might think my claim was. RVZ is the lynch to go with today, and once we lynch him, the town has the win in the bag, whether he comes up mafia or not. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Moon Man on 12/16/10 at 09:40:03 Quote:
No we dont know your doctor, you just claimed doctor because you thought you were going to be lynched. Either if you are doctor or not, we have NO definitive profe that you are a doctor. So its down to FOUR people. Me, Shock, RVS and Third. EDIT : Seems zarkov has fucked off. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/16/10 at 10:14:01 Either me or RVZ is the doc. With the evidence for me being doc, and the evidence against RVZ, there really isn't a need for definitive proof. RVZ's claims to be doc are: 1. A copy of my claim format to mine. Suspicious. 2. Full of apologies that he had to come out and claim doc. 3. Uses smileys and flowery language to sound towny. 4. After realizing he made the mistake of saying he protected Clark N2, pulls out the noob card. And RVZ as a whole: 1. Hasn't posted much to help the town. 2. Spoke only when spoken to. 3. Only means of defense to my accusations being essentially "Nice try Shock, the town will hopefully play smart and vote me tho. [smiley=flush.gif]." I have evidence that I am a town player. RVZ has evidence of being a mafia player, and like I've already said, the only move the mafia can make today to stay alive is counterclaim me. Remember the Honko vs. Zarkov match yesterday. Honko came out with "hahahaha, weak point here, weak point there, Zarkov lies, I'm telling the truth." RVZ is doing the same. [smiley=lolk.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/16/10 at 10:25:24 Yeah but Shock, you didn't need to claim. If you are the doctor, the mafia now knows who to target during the night, whereas if you'd gotten lynched the mafia would be taking a huge gamble in NKing Zarkov; more likely they would've picked someone else randomly, hoping to kill the doc and then still kind of playing in the dark. Basically you've reduced it to your word against RVZ's when the mafia was in super deep trouble before, and this seems like a mafia tactic to me. I was sort of waiting for a counterclaim (was actually expecting it to come from cutz, Mr. Silent as the Grave) because I don't see why a town doc would claim right there. Granted, this IS your first game, but you still seem pretty savvy about the game and either you didn't think things through or this is a carefully planned ploy. I'm in the computer lab at college checking the thread, I'm about to pack up and drive home so I won't be on for a few hours at least (2:15 to get home + packing/unpacking/whatever). Will check back tonight. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/16/10 at 10:26:18 2 hours and 15 minutes to get home, that is. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Moon Man on 12/16/10 at 10:31:24 Quote:
If lynching a town help's, how is that helpful. One less town = one more step for a mafia victory. Though i am still suspious about this whole doctor thing. Tom how long have we got left until day is over? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/16/10 at 10:42:17 If you still don't believe me, here's conclusive evidence. N1: 5A555F4251574E555F5E5E553B0 wrote:
N2: 3B343E2330362F343E3F3F345A0 wrote:
N3: 58575D4053554C575D5C5C57390 wrote:
There you have it. RVZ is maf. @Third: I claimed doc because I thought I had a perfect shot at ending this game for the town. Wasn't expecting this much dispute/conspiracy theories. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/16/10 at 10:50:13 And oh, I guess it isn't conclusive because I could've fiddled with the quote features on this board, but I guess that the town can make up their minds on that one. Sorry if I wasn't allowed to do that, but I figured it would be okay to quote my own outbox. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 12:06:09 Okay. Right now we have two docs, and both are arguing to me (being the only active clear) on why they should be the legit doc. No matter what the doc is dead tonight I'm guessing, but either way Zarkov is going to get one more peek. Right now this makes the most sense to me. Vote : Moon. He's the worst looking suspect and probably mafia imo, and isn't a doc claim. Zarkov should peek Third, and based on the night actions we can see which doc is legit and which isn't. I might have to think this over a little and rephrase it later, but hopefully you follow me. Since both of the docs have arguments for them, it makes the most sense to lynch a suspicious townie that isn't the doc, and then the night actions will show which doc is legit or not. Even if they don't, Zarkov gets a peek either way. Oh, and Tom, since you are watching this so heavily, can the doc protect the same person two nights in a row? The rules differ between mafia games so I'm not sure. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 12:09:35 Mafia might kill one of the clears (probably me) instead of the doc but I can't see why they wouldn't kill the doctor. The only reason I could see for them not doing it is to keep themselves under suspicion. Even if they don't kill doc, we're left with two people whose roles are unknown, one mafia and one town on D5. Zarkov would either condemn or clear Third, and then after that day he would get another peek (if doc is still alive remember), and either one that he peeks its game over. This game is still very winnable as long as we don't lynch the doctors. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 12:13:28 If cutz turns out to be doc, it could be a little more complicated but I still think the game is very winnable. The peeks from Zark will still show the affiliations of each side, so I don't think it will be a problem. If someone thinks of something let me know, I'm just stating this since i know of the possibility. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Moon Man on 12/16/10 at 12:29:59 Quote:
Thats the most retarded reason for why i could be mafia. So if i just counter claimed like RVS, i wouldn't be in the spotlight. Quote:
Doctors? I thought their was only one? Shock can you even quote your night actions and post them here? And just like you said shock, you could have just fiddled with them. Pointless post by Shock. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 12:34:51 you don't understand my reasoning right now. You have little chance to be the doc (btw claiming now would be stupid), and Third has a better chance than you to be doc. By doctors I mean the doctor claims, since it's a 50/50 chance that one of them is the real doc (potentially cutz could be but I doubt it) So the reasoning is, we have a mislynch and four possible suspects. With two potential docs, it's a 50/50 shot at you and Third over who has a better chance to be scum, but either way it doesn't matter as long as you aren't the doc. I'm not going to put up with your bullshit excuses any longer since you've just been surviving to now to hurt the mafia. If you are town, you played a horrible game but we still have a great chance to win. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 12:36:22 I'm not saying that you're mafia (even though you are), I'm saying you aren't doc. We can't lynch the doc today and since you didn't claim doc theres a 99% chance that you aren't the doc. Lynching the doc is potentially gameover, and the mafia knows who is the real doc and who isn't. Lynching someone who isn't doc so the mafia has to potentially reveal themselves is a win. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 12:42:29 Hopefully Zark and Cutz can come to back me up here, since this is the best plan of action. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/16/10 at 13:04:27 Okay, even if I happened to mess with the quotes, I should not have posted that. A few more clear cut rules about what I'm allowed and not allowed to post would have been nice before this game, but I should have seen that one through better. Honko/RVZ/Moon I agree with Web that it would be best for the town to make sure they don't lynch the doctor by not lynching one of the claims, and that narrows down to Moon or Third. I agree that it would be best to lynch Moon over Third, and Clark can scan Third with guaranteed Doctor protection Unvote Vote Moon |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Moon Man on 12/16/10 at 13:09:54 And have you ever thought, that both RVS and Shock could be mafia? They both claim to be doctor, and because it is too risky to lynch one, as one could be the actual doctor, you pick the remaining people who didnt call doctor whom could be town. Simply put, they cant be lynched for today because of the situation being too risky, even though they could be no risk at all if we lynch one of them, because they both could be mafia. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 13:27:47 Technically they both could, but it is really really unlikely. Plus Zark will use his scans on the others anyway, if maf kills the real doc it will be obvious which was faking. What you're telling me to do right now is risk lynching the doctor and losing the game instead of lynching someone who is 99% not doctor when we have a mislynch. It's either 50% probability or 1% probability that we'll screw the game over. Which odds look better to you? The situation is too risky yes. What you're telling me to do is ignore the fact that it's risky because it might not be risky. Explain how that makes any sort of sense. ;D Someone please back me up on this, I can't deal with much more bullshit. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 13:33:45 556C7671646E6077050 wrote:
Clark is going to scan Third and find out if he's town or mafia. If we lynch you and find out you're town (as you claim), and scan Third and find out he's town, then Shock and RVZ are both mafia. We'll find out anyway. If you are mafia when lynched, or Third comes back as mafia from the scan, we only have one left, and can go by night actions, or just wait for another scan if the real doc isn't killed. Best case scenario, although almost impossible, is you're both maf and we win. Duh. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Moon Man on 12/16/10 at 13:51:48 Well tbh, atleast in my death you will know third is mafia. If my death is the only way to prove a point. Anyway i can self lynch to get today over and prove my point? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 13:58:16 I'm pretty sure that you can't self-vote, and I would like to hear what others have to say. It doesn't matter that third is mafia or not, this plan is pretty much foolproof imo. Oh, and one more thing : If I die tonight for some reason that I don't suspect and our plan is screwed over somehow (i.e. it comes down to Shock and RVZ as a crapshoot), go for Shock. RVZ's counterclaim seems legit now that I look at it, and Shock really had no reason to claim in the first place. Shock also seems to get the game more than RVZ and RVZ seemed to have a genuinely town response. Shock / Moon are my final suspects, although I could be entirely wrong we still have this wrapped up. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 14:28:53 I fully agree with you Web. And I understand your reasoning. I can give a whole speech right now why I'm the real Doc but it won't change a thing. And I'm impressed by how much effort Shock took trying to proof he's real :o While his Doc claim just messed everything up. So if I understand your plan right web; Lynch Moon Man When maf; There's 1 maf left, Thira, Shock or me. I'll protect Zarkov for the NK and he scans Thira. The NK will prob be me. So only Thira and Shock are left. Zarkov now knows Thira's role end it's end of the game. When town; there's 2 maf left, Thira Shock or me. I'll get NK and it's obv that Thira and Shock are maf. However... If Moon Man flips Town, maf can lynch cutz for tonight. That leaves Shock, Thira and me. This is gameover from my side cuz I know I'm town. Shame I can't proof this. If Moon Man flips maf, and maf lynches cutz. 1/3 of us is maf. Zarkov scans Thira. Thira flips maf, we won. But if he flips town it's still between me or Shock |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 14:39:05 But it will be a lot easier to just lynch Shock right now, then it's game over! Shock is maf and Zarkov scans Thira. Thira town then lynch Moon Man, Thira maf then lynch Thira. U have to trust me on this. If we lynch Moon Man and maf NK's cutz it still will end up between Shock vs me if Thiradell scanned town. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/16/10 at 14:49:51 153222393F363624570 wrote:
I'm not mafia, you are. I am actually rather impressed at how you're guiding the town to its demise. That wasn't part of my plan, but it apparently is part of yours. If you want the town to trust you, how about you give us that speech of why we should trust you as doctor? Nice scumplay by trying to scare the town into lynching me while providing no evidence for why we should even trust you. I've done a lot more to clear my name than you; let's see your cards. You've already dug a hole for yourself by trying to get the vote off Moon Man. You scums aren't even going to NK me tonight are you? You're going to let the town do it themselves tomorrow, then kill Zarkov to prevent 2 peeks. But oh, today's even better because Zarkov won't even get 1 then. Anyway, sorry to interrupt you, why are you doctor? [smiley=lolk.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 15:01:34 Anything other than the plan I stated is stupid because its risking an endgame. I don't see how it could fail, the doc might get killed but it will out the fake doc. What is your problem with that? Do you not want to die? Mafia will probably kill me tonight, it's a sacrifice for the town. Just don't stray from the plan and we should win, although what worries me is that I'm the only clear active in this game, and if I'm dead the mafia can run the show. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/16/10 at 15:14:30 The mafia plan is a forced one right now. They know the doctor is still alive, so they will lynch a random villager tonight, then they will HAVE to go for Zarkov tomorrow night. If I die by a town lynch, they WILL kill Zarkov, and you will not get 2 reads. However, I can claim now and protect Zarkov for a night, and by you guys knowing that I am doctor through adequate defense, 1 will be all that's needed to win the game. I didn't reveal this earlier in the day, because the only thing that will make the mafia win right now is my death. I revealed so I wouldn't get lynched, because it would have been a simple deal for the mafia to just say "Oh, I get your reasoning Web. Lynch Shock." Game. Over. The mafia will not have known they got me, but they HAVE to go for Zarkov tomorrow night. They will find out then that they really did get the doctor. RVZ has realized this, and in his last couple posts is trying to get the lynch on me, today. If he succeeds in this, we lose. I had quite good reasons to reveal, Web. And if nobody believes me, town loses. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 15:19:16 That's pretty much 100% the same what I posted earlier. So what's your point Shock? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 15:31:03 Either way you both claimed, so we're not lynching either of you today as the mafia will probably kill the fake tonight. I don't see what there is to argue about, and why you're not voting Moon, RVZ. It makes much more sense than risking a Shock lynch. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 15:35:27 I lynch Shock cuz I know he's maf, smarten up [smiley=lolk.gif] I won't change to Moon Man. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/16/10 at 15:42:24 No, you don't vote Moon Man because you know he's maf and I'm not. [smiley=beer.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 15:48:46 Okay, I'm out for a long while. I'm not changing my vote and you should all press on Moon. If we don't lynch doc it's an autowin, so we're not going to risk lynching doc. See you guys tomorrow maybe, but I'm probably out and dead. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 16:25:07 One final post from me, and then I'm done with this thread for D4. Remember these two quotes, and game is pretty much over. 372522292E21342F327174400 wrote:
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/16/10 at 17:36:18 Concede. No way for the mafia to win at this point. RVZ and I are the remaining scumbags alive. Good game! :) Wasn't a huge fan of the hosting style but the game was fun. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Brett on 12/16/10 at 17:37:40 So...game's over? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 17:39:24 0E3233283B3E3F36365A0 wrote:
hahaha what? Never seen a mafia forfeit before. Don't know why you would do that, but I think we should still play until Tom says so. Either way though. unvote Vote : Third |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 17:39:49 645859425154555C5C300 wrote:
You're kinda right. We could played further but it is an almost closed case. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/16/10 at 17:40:51 Conceding's a standard play, much like resigning a chess game. We can keep playing but there's really no point now, heh. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/16/10 at 17:42:37 With a Moon lynch the game is 100% over, unfortunately. I tried to think of a townish argument to go away from that lynch but there isn't one. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 17:43:45 1B27263D2E2B2A23234F0 wrote:
Agreed. This cop role is broken as fuck. And the fact we got unlucky both doc and cop still alive |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 17:43:57 unvote Vote : Tom I think Moon's lead on D1 was right. I'm not believing any of this resigning BS. ;D. Good Game, I think it was my favorite out of the 3.5 I've played. Can't wait for the new one. A lot of fun playing with you guys since I didn't day N2 or earlier. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Brett on 12/16/10 at 17:44:05 Good game guys. TBH you guys are lucky you took me out. I had Honko and Third pegged after Zwiebel's lynch. That's why I lynched him when I could have lynched one of three people and switched off of Moon Man. I didn't want to tell you guys this at the time because I didn't want some crazy shit happening right at the end. RVZ had me 100% fooled though, never would have known. I had the third mafia as either Moon or Shock. And towards the end I was beginning to lean towards Moon over Third as well. Thanks for the game, but Tom only revealing town/mafia when someone died really was a boost for the mafia side. Just wished I could have lasted a day longer, as Clark might not have even had to roleclaim. Not that it mattered since it ended up causing a death-free night. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 17:45:34 so who was doc? Shock or Moon? I'm guessing shock, if it's Moon it's going to be a mindfuck. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by IsThatAGoodTime on 12/16/10 at 17:45:38 5D606D6A7D7B79750F0 wrote:
Think before you speak, this won the game for the town. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Thiradell on 12/16/10 at 17:46:43 7E434E495E585A562C0 wrote:
? If roles were revealed we would've known Zwieb wasn't the doctor and wouldn't have tried to NK Zarkov on night 3. Not sure what you mean here. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Brett on 12/16/10 at 17:46:55 If I'm correct... Shock - TOWN Doctor Zarkov - TOWN Cop RVZ - MAFIA Third - MAFIA Honko - MAFIA Everyone else was Vanilla. Shock protected Third, Web, and Zarkov in that order. Zarkov scanned Cutz, Honko, and Web in that order. Mafia killed Padz, Brett, and Zarkov (fails) in that order. No need for a summary Tom [smiley=roll.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Brett on 12/16/10 at 17:47:53 Well, Third, it annoyed me that Tom only revealed Town or Mafia when died, really, it did. Same for you Scott, it ended up helping us, but I think it helps the mafia more times than not. BTW, why did you guys kill me? Was it something I said? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 17:48:11 We had this game in the bag till N3. We thought that Zwiebel was doc and we acted reckless. Seems doc was still alive and Shock flipped the whole game. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 17:50:25 Zwieb's attempt to save himself by bsing the doc claim pretty much saved the town. So go Zwiebel! Sorry for pressuring you into a lynch ;D. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by cutz22 on 12/16/10 at 17:51:00 Thus ends my illustrious mafia career. [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by IsThatAGoodTime on 12/16/10 at 17:51:12 You guys seem to have missed something :-X 392522202C3E2A357C4D0 wrote:
I'm Togepi, Independent Serial Killer. Since you guys all just quit, I won the game without even posting. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Brett on 12/16/10 at 17:51:53 Kinda funny that lying about being doc as a townie ends up causing town to win. 99% of the time it's the other way around. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by thewebinator on 12/16/10 at 17:54:10 Wait whatever happened to Zarkov4? Is he still on the lam with Honko7? Or are they both stuck in the sexual slavery trade. I want all of the information. 775658517E564B5D5657390 wrote:
what was with not posting? |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by cutz22 on 12/16/10 at 17:56:03 1406010A0D02170C115257630 wrote:
what was with not posting?[/quote] Here's the gist of it. 00:01:28: <ivootjes> god, i hate how people sign up and don't play 00:01:33: <ivootjes> why are you not playing cutz? 00:01:50: <ivootjes> don't fucking sign up for a game that you don't want to play 00:01:54: <ivootjes> ruins it for everyone 00:02:10: <Cutz> I wanted to give it another try, my second ever game 00:02:26: <Cutz> turns out it's even more boring than the first one 00:02:38: <Cutz> i tried to motivate myself to post 00:02:48: <Cutz> didn't work after day 1 00:03:07: <ivootjes> it is boring if you don't try yeah 00:03:27: <Cutz> no i just find it boring in general 00:03:32: <Cutz> maybe if I was mafia 00:04:25: <ivootjes> it is boring because you don't want to spend time thinking about who's possible mafia 00:04:33: <padz> Or, give them SMK to play! Be sure to tell them about the Super Mario Kart Player's Page. That'll occupy their time and keep them off the streets. Grin 00:05:36: <Cutz> i tried game 1 00:06:00: <Cutz> it was unfortunate that I thought I might like this one better 00:09:46: <Cutz> for one thing I'm not invested into any argument about myself because I know for fact what I am 00:09:54: <Cutz> and regarding other people 00:10:04: <Cutz> turns out I'm bad at reading them 00:10:57: <ivootjes> not everyone knows what you are 00:11:03: <ivootjes> that's also part of the game 00:12:06: <Cutz> yeah but I don't find it interesting 00:12:20: <Cutz> because it has a definite answer that I know 00:12:32: <Cutz> contrary to other debates I find interesting 00:12:44: <Cutz> which often can't be validated as facrt 00:12:47: <Cutz> *fact 00:13:05: <ivootjes> you are saying you don't need to tell other people what you know yourself just yet... 00:13:19: <ivootjes> because it doesn't matter what they think just what is in your head 00:13:35: <Cutz> no I'm saying I I don't find the act of it interesting 00:13:46: <Cutz> or entertaining 00:14:53: <ivootjes> ok |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by IsThatAGoodTime on 12/16/10 at 17:56:05 7B464B4C5B5D5F53290 wrote:
Since Tom's OP I've been trying to figure out if this is pro-town or pro-mafia. When Zwiebel died claiming doc and flipping town, I thought the situation was pro-town for sure at that point because worst case Town knows their doc is dead and best case Town has a doc still alive. However, if the role person doesn't get to claim before he's outed, Town could be in trouble later when they realize they have no peeks and no hint as to who might have dropped some in the thread. There was a great play for mafia, if Zweibel had indeed been the real doctor (or anyone who had already died). At this late-game point, both remaining mafia would claim doc against each other, like what Shock/RVZ were doing. If one dies or gets peeked, the other is probably going to be assumed cleared no matter what, or at least long enough to get the 1 or 2 mislynches needed. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Resident Dry Bones User on 12/16/10 at 17:57:31 And Scott drops the bombshell. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/16/10 at 18:04:50 I'm disgusted by the fact we made this huge mistake going for Zarkov N3 instead of a 100% townie. I still feel shit lol :) Alltough I can look back at a good first game from my side. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by IsThatAGoodTime on 12/16/10 at 18:07:49 Oh, and here were my kills, I got 1 every day and 1 every night. For the day kills the killed poster was informed by PM and had to stop posting, but it wasn't announced in the thread. Day 1: Flo -- He flipped Mafia Bob-Omb Night 1: TvL -- Messed up here, he was Town Mathematician Day 2: Jonesy -- This one was blocked...hax anyone??!!?!?! Night 2: Paper Shredder -- Long story, it turned out to be in my favor anyway Day 3: shadow -- He was my main suspect as the originator of the protection Jones got. Turned out he was Town Womanizer, somehow still stuck in Lenny's Girl Mafia game, oops! Night 3: Honko -- He was already dead but I was pretty sure he had nine lives. Surprised Tom didn't put in a cat role. Day 4: Sportsguy -- ALWAYS the Mafia Godfather. When I saw him show up in Ivo's thread I knew he was around. After he was dead, the mafia conceded. I'm a pro. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Resident Dry Bones User on 12/16/10 at 18:10:30 Nice play on Day 4 then. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Brett on 12/16/10 at 18:15:41 Yeah good job. You killed a guy on N4 whose role states that he can't be killed at night. Scott is just pro like that. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Shock on 12/16/10 at 18:22:16 Good game guys. :) Learned a lot from this, and I had a great time. You should've seen the discussion going between RVZ and me on Skype today ;D. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by IsThatAGoodTime on 12/16/10 at 19:57:29 Day 4 of course! That's why I couldn't kill him Night 3 when I first saw he made his post. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Honko on 12/17/10 at 03:20:18 Conceding is gay. I had a lot of other things to say about this game but they have been overshadowed by how gay conceding is. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by The Gaff on 12/17/10 at 04:32:37 Good game everyone. Was really interesting to watch and I enjoyed hosting. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by Zwiebel on 12/17/10 at 05:46:33 [smiley=lolk.gif] @ my plan really worked...actually I was hoping to get lynched fast after my shitty claim, so the real doctor wouldn't have the time to counter claim and Mafia thinking that doctor is dead...it was risky but it won the game kind of ;D Nice job @ not counterclaiming D2 Shock, rly ;) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by RVZ on 12/17/10 at 06:21:26 557E796578170 wrote:
Eyz I didn't choose for that. Thiradell conceded without discussing this with me. I didn't expected it allthough we couldn't win anymore |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by Ivootjes on 12/17/10 at 06:21:31 Good game. I really think town lucked out on this one. If mafia wasn't so unlucky to have 4 townies dying and both missing the cop and doctor they would have won for sure. Honko was so obvious maf, at the moment he pushed my lynch i was 100% sure he was maf as he would never lynch one of the most active players day one over rvz. I like how this voting on me started by thiradell. Thiradell really was under the radar for the entire game. Best mafia imo. I think mafia could still have won this game, cutz didn't really look like posting and chances are town would be at lynch or lose again tomorrow, at least they would with a moon man or shock lynch. with cutz, a townie, not posting nor voting, it's basicly game over at lynch or lose as it will be a tie for sure and mafia will get a night kill after that. As for myself, i played a poor day one, rob really surprised me here, though it did become obvious on day one already when he said: "ivo is 100% town" which is a really noobish mafia play :-/ I'll never protect someone again day one except for myself. Still a huge blunder by town for lynching me, and zwiebel the day after. If you really don't know who to lynch, don't lynch the fucking most active players to start with. Pretty much kills the game and makes it way too easy for mafia. I have to thank tom for hosting this game, in general, he didn't make lots of mistakes. Still don't really like that he refused to openly post the roles. I sent him a pm about this but he refused to listen to me. This is wat i sent him: Quote:
plus the other pm's Reduces the chances of cheating/quoting you. [/quote] and this is the answer i got Quote:
And what happened, moon man asking something along the lines of: "honko, how much words are in the village pm" This stuff is absolutely outside the goal of mafia games. I don't really blame moon man on this as he probably doesn't have much experience, but it does have nothing to do with mafia and could have been prevented. I warned tom but he didn't listen to an experienced host and it turns out he should have had. :-/ I'll wait for another 3 weeks to start my game. I expected this game to end a little earlier and don't have enough time to finish an entire game now i think. More info will follow in the other topic. GG's everyone! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by The Gaff on 12/17/10 at 06:53:20 i didnt write exactly the same message to every villager so it didnt matter. i purposefully didnt stipuate it so it was just as likely that i didnt send the same amount of words. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by Honko on 12/17/10 at 06:56:12 Ivo: I wasn't going to lynch you originally. I was even chatting with RVZ at the time and told him I didn't think I could make a believable case against you because I knew I'd never lynch you if I were town. I wrote up that whole case against Zwiebel and intended to vote for him, but I changed my mind when I saw there was some momentum on you and realized we could get rid of both you and padz on day 1, so I added the case on you. Sure, you and padz could tell from my day 1 posts that I was mafia, but that doesn't matter when you're both dead. [smiley=evil.gif] Except that you guys talked about it in IRC anyway when other townies were in the chat. Fags. 122F22253234363A400 wrote:
In my mind, you and Clark were the only remotely threatening players left (and by that I mean players who could lead a lynch without being easily sidetracked). Clark seemed to be going inactive, and you had told RVZ in PM that you would suspect me if Zwiebel turned up town, so we decided to go with you. Obviously now I wish we'd gone for Clark, as even if you were 100% convinced I was mafia I think you would have had trouble getting me lynched if I had pushed for someone like Moon or Cutz on day 3. Anyway, this game is a clear example of why mafia should always have either a roleblocker or an unblockable kill if town has a doc and a scanner. Otherwise the cop can claim without any drawback. A scanner should basically be forced to decide "is revealing my info worth losing the ability to scan for the rest of the game?" Town made the wrong choice 3 out of 4 days, and a town that is only accurate 25% of the time shouldn't win. We played a very good game, eliminating most of the threats early, controlling the lynches without being obvious about it, and staying relatively disassociated from each other (especially Third). If it weren't for a setup that creates an unstoppable cop we would have won the game easily, even after I was lynched. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by Sωοrd on 12/17/10 at 11:01:17 Warning : Long Post Although I didn't participate in this one I was watching ( I am always watching. ) it very closely and following up on the thread. I have a few things I would like to say about this game though. Firstly, condeding is really stupid. It's a total backstab to your own team if you decide to throw in the towel, regardless how unlikely winning may be or what the odds are (In DK Mafia it was down to 4 town players and I was the last mafia remaining, and my odds of winning were next to none, but I still managed to pull it off) In short, never give in until the end. Mafia still could have had a chance, giving up in any case is retarded. I was really surprised at the general conclusions that town decided to make in the days. Lynching Ivo was ridiculous since he didn't really do anything that warranted suspicion, but you all trusted Honko's judgement. After he showed up town it became pretty obvious that Honko framed him. After padz being Night Killed on the first night it was obvious Honko was mafia. Noone else would do that. If you know Honko all that well you'd know the night kill was solely a "o padz just got oned LOLOL" move. It could have either been him or Zarkov but more than likely it's always Honko. I'm really shocked noone seemed to care about who the mafia killed at night. It's literally a huge clue as to who protected who and who avoided who during the day relating to who was killed at night. padz and brett were killed but barely anyone took notice, and it wasn't even discussed. Web, I'm not sure if it was the lack of posting from town in general that caused you to spiral into hundreds of theories and post loads but I did have you pinned as town early on. You did ride on Honko a bit and I couldn't believe people were trying to claim a Web/Honko mafia pair solely from that. People ride Honko because he's Honko. There is nothing else to it. :D I do think you confused yourself early on in the game Web, but I can understand your frustration as most of your team didn't really care, which I'll come to in a bit. Shock started off quite badly but he really did pull some weight into Day 3 and ended up saving the game from total destruction. I was surprised as I was skeptical at first but you certainly had me wrong! Ended up saving the game. RVZ's counterclaim was predictable which solidified your role. I'm glad you acknowledged the mistake of posting your night action PMs though ... that was pretty unfair for the mafia, they didn't really stand a chance against that. I am surprised you weren't modkilled for that. Inactivity was literally slaughtering town. Moon Man didn't start contributing until later in the game. Cutz admitted the didn't give two shits and couldn't be arsed to post. Shock was under the radar day one and early day 2 but given his role I guess it's expected. RVZ didn't post, only when attacked, and Thirdell to a certain extent. Web had you on a roll there, surprised noone took that fact further. Instead you went for Moon Man who I agree wasn't really obvious town but was less of a threat to keep around. Some bad decisions were made as a result. Zwiebel was obvtown Day 2, especially nearer the end, and Ivo wasn't worth removing on Day 1, despite being slightly over the top with his defending. I'm sure he's learnt his lesson from that, though! I think mafia played a great game and Honko did an excellent job. Mafia deserved the win imo, but the town having a scan and a doc while mafia all being vanillas really leaves it down to luck. The lack of roles being posted at death also hindered mafia more than anything. Town got extremely lucky in the end. (Part of the reason mafia deserved to win was so padz's perfect record coulda been ruined, shame about that :'() Also Tom I'm shocked at how tolerable you were with angleshooting in this game. Posting night role PM quotes and asking questions such as "how many words / characters are in your role PM" again screwed mafia over since it was getting the town to confirm themselves way easier and left mafia with even smaller chances. Seemed good overall though, good job to Tom for hosting. Only thing I'd change about it is revealing the roles after death and giving the mafia at least one power role, and perhaps less tolerance of angleshooting, but there were alot of newer players so I guess they don't know much better. Anyway thanks for everyone who played, despite any rants made I enjoyed reading it and it was fun to follow :) Looking forward to playing in the next mafia game. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by Zarkov on 12/17/10 at 14:14:19 Good game town. Sorry I didnt post much towards the end. Worked two doubles in a row and couldnt be arsed to post when I got home. Didnt have Third pegged as maf, so that was surprising. I actually thought he was the doctor for a while until the news about Shock came out. As Honko said, the unstoppable cop was a bit unfair. Mafia needed a roleblocker. I felt untouchable pretty much as soon as I claimed as I knew doctor would be an idiot not to protect me. Had I not of hit a wolf though, I wouldnt of claimed day 3. As it goes, I very nearly peeked Honko Night 1, but had a change of heart and went with cutz. Had that of happened, I wouldve peeked RVZ next and hit 2 scum with 2 peeks. Alas I didnt and this is all hypothetical, and 1 positive peek was enough. Until next time I suppose. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by Honko on 12/17/10 at 15:31:19 The one bright spot is that Zarkov4 got what was coming to him. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by padz on 12/17/10 at 17:15:55 1B7E7F7E4F0 wrote:
better luck next game! |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by Thiradell on 12/17/10 at 18:14:16 I didn't concede because the odds were against us and things looked bad, I conceded because mafia had a 0% chance of winning. -A Moon lynch (the only sensible play) leaves Zarkov/cutz/web/me/RVZ/Shock. -Zarkov is the seer, cutz/web are confirmed townies. -We NK web/cutz; if we NK Shock the game is over. -Zarkov peeks me/RVZ/Shock. I don't know why he would peek me, as peeking either of the other two basically confirms the two mafia. If he peeks Shock the game is 100% over. -If he peeks RVZ the only doubt left is if Shock and RVZ are running some kind of mafia ploy. The town has to lynch RVZ because wrongly lynching me or Shock would result in 2-2 and a mafia win. At that point it's 3-1 and Zark just peeks me/Shock; we NK whoever and I get lynched. -If Zark peeks me on night 4 I get lynched and he peeks RVZ/Shock night 5, same difference. The only possible way for the mafia to win would've been to lynch Shock day 4 so as to NK Zarkov, and that obviously wasn't going to happen as there was no town argument for it. Maybe the town would've made a huge mistake at some point, but I didn't want to keep posturing in hopes of that, as any clear-headed town crew should've been able to play to a victory. People chatting outside of the game about the game is immature and unfair, especially when you're dead. I'm pretty tempted to pull out of Ivo's game unless some pretty strict rules are put in place (and enforced). Mafia is tilting enough without having to deal with external forces! [smiley=dead.gif] |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by padz on 12/17/10 at 18:19:41 043839223134353C3C500 wrote:
cool, next time try not joining #mariokart the moment the game starts |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by Thiradell on 12/17/10 at 18:38:26 I joined once randomly, actually wasn't thinking about the game at the time. You called me out and said several ridiculous things and I didn't go back. If you don't believe this that's fine, I don't care, but surely you realize how awful chatting outside the game is. It makes things less fun for everybody. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by padz on 12/17/10 at 18:50:59 ye you and rvz joining out of nowhere had nothing to do w/ the three of you being scummates ::) |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - DAY 4 Post by Sportsguy001 on 12/17/10 at 19:23:11 013B1C20293C090F27272C1C2021262F480 wrote:
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by IsThatAGoodTime on 12/17/10 at 22:54:43 5A6B6E707F7A0A0 wrote:
If everyone is talking in there during the game, and no one's going to stop it, then everyone should be invited. When I saw a big group of people talking about the game that wouldn't stop, I invited everyone I could contact that was online to the chat because it's only fair that way. People need to stop doing things like that though as every host just becomes more and more lax. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by padz on 12/17/10 at 23:41:56 172D0A363F2A1F1931313A0A363730395E0 wrote:
scott got ivo lynched |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by IsThatAGoodTime on 12/17/10 at 23:57:09 No, everyone that's a town player coming into the chat and talking should have been removed from the game straight off. Try winning then. If seven people out of 12 in a game are in a chat breaking the rules, it's only fair for the 1 guy out of the loop to see what's going on. If there's that much chatter going on in early game situations in a public chat, how much private chat do you think went on through the whole game? Not that I'm saying this is okay in any way, but there's a big difference between Shock coming into an empty chat late in a game ranting for 20 minutes about whether or not he should post his night PM quotes, and 7 people on D1 who are all alive talking about the game leaving the handful not online at the time with no clue the conversation ever happened. Sure, 90% of this might be people just BSing, but it's not too hard for certain people to leave very convincing impressions on others in those situations. And everyone always argues over what the line should be...well it's pretty much impossible so there should be just zero tolerance. Keep it in the thread. |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by MVT on 12/19/10 at 21:50:57 7F4E4B555A5F2F0 wrote:
cool, next time try not joining #mariokart the moment the game starts[/quote] http://www.horseplop.com/Smileys/smileys1/cunt.gif |
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Title: Re: Werewolf Game Thread - Game Over Town Win! Post by The Gaff on 12/20/10 at 01:46:47 To be honest, anyone who posts in IRC about a mafia game needs their head examined. I was clear to shock about what could or couldn't be posted. |
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