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https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Historical >> Karter Contest 2K10 >> My apologies to the Kart community https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1274413444 Message started by David Wonn on 05/20/10 at 19:44:03 |
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Title: My apologies to the Kart community Post by David Wonn on 05/20/10 at 19:44:03 Allow me to start off by saying that I am truly sorry for the recent events that have transpired. It should not have ever gone this far. This apology is threefold: 1. I spent no more than 5 minutes making a campaign for the Kart contest with no true desire to win, regarding it as nothing more than a popularity contest. Regardless of the very light-hearted approach I took, others did not perceive it this way. Some regarded it as a cheap publicity stunt to sway votes, while others felt I was stomping on a contest that they took more seriously. Either way, my attempt at being creative and having fun may have inadvertently stepped on the toes of others who were putting far more effort into their campaigns. For not considering the full impact of my actions, I am sincerely sorry. 2. The "I will do this if I win" approach was the wrong way to go. Worse yet, I stated that I would declassify an old Kart shortcut. I knew this would gather a lot of attention since I knew it was something I could deliver, but did not anticipate the backlash in how this was perceived. While the campaign was perfectly legal according to the rules, it was against the spirit of fair play. For making a campaign in which I had a completely unfair advantage, I apologize. 3. I withheld a shortcut from the Kart community since 1997. This shortcut would have literally halved the World Records in its day. It would have had a deep impact on the community and stirred up some unnecessary controversy, so I decided it was best not to unveil it. This was the right decision... for 1997. Now it is 2010. The impact is nowhere near as significant now, and this should have been unveiled in more recent years. My intent was to later unveil it to key people (which I did) and eventually unveil it in a very public way. Unfortunately, I used this Kart Contest as the means to do this, which went against the very nature of the Kart Contest. For derailing the contest and harming others, I am deeply sorry. I was wrong for what I did, and I intend to correct these errors in judgment. For #1 and #2, I initially considered making modifications to take out the more controversial elements. I made a poll to see whether people felt my campaign was unfair. While there wasn't quite a majority indicating so, there were enough votes to tell me something had to be changed. In the end, I decided it was best to withdraw my so called "campaign", as there was never any true desire to participate in the way it was meant to be. I have tainted it and could have skewed votes from far more deserving people. I hope that by withdrawing, I prevent any further damage that could happen. I will let the powers that be decide whether to keep me as a candidate in this contest. If they decide I still have the right to vote, I will vote for someone I think that is far more deserving to win. I would rather lose for the right reasons than win for the wrong reasons. For #3, I intend to unveil the mystery shortcut this year anyway, regardless of how this Kart Contest turns out. Probably the best place to do so will be at the kart meet in Virginia. I had already made some attempts to recreate this shortcut in a previous meet, and some of the closer runs are saved there. This is the right thing to do, and I should have unveiled it as I did with everything else back in the day. For all the transgressions above, I ask the community for forgiveness. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by Shock on 05/20/10 at 19:49:21 David Wonn, you have my vote. ;) This may be a more sensitive subject for some people, but as far as I can tell, you really put yourself into that post, and that's the kind of people I will support. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by MVT on 05/20/10 at 19:56:03 Good heart. I still wish you would reveal absolutely EVERYTHING, but at least the sc in question will be nice. Booth actually probably knows ever single shortcut ever fluked or possibly invented...he really should just spill the beans on everything (anyone has ever told him). |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by Kevin Booth on 05/20/10 at 20:02:11 4071787840757871140 wrote:
Egads! saying to myself.... I'm not going to trump the topic... I'm not going to trump the topic... and just to think, I just found out I'm competing against Wonn in the contest too! I must really look bad now, and ya with this... oh boy :) |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by MVT on 05/20/10 at 20:15:47 614F5C43446845455E422A0 wrote:
Egads! saying to myself.... I'm not going to trump the topic... I'm not going to trump the topic... and just to think, I just found out I'm competing against Wonn in the contest too! I must really look bad now, and ya with this... oh boy :)[/quote] ::) |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by MC1_For_Life on 05/21/10 at 01:51:11 Much appreciated David, good man :) |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by The Gaff on 05/21/10 at 01:55:16 I think 1 & 2 are a irrelevant. I think had you found a short cut out two weeks ago and said i'll reveal it if i win, no one would be getting at you over it. I think you'd also win the contest, i'd certainly vote for you to find it out. It would've been epic. However.. I think I speak on behalf of a few people when I say.. The real issue here as you make in point 3 is that you kept it from everyone for so long without what other people see as good cause. You say you play to reveal it sometime this year, potentially at the kart meet. I think personally that you should do it now, i've no idea why you should wait any longer. I've had you on my AIM for ten years and we've spoken countless times over that. I know you're not a bad guy and I think you're incredibly talented. I think you've just made an error which you can now make right quite easily (and get all the praise for anyhow! woop woop!). I rate you for being humble about this and apologising. I'm cool with you when you decide to tell everyone what the SC is. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by Patricio on 05/21/10 at 03:25:07 I'll consider it. Need to see who else is in your group. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by DarkRoy on 05/21/10 at 04:54:29 He discovered it anyway, so he can do whatever he wants with his own information. Although I'd prefer that he shared it with us all, because there shouldn't be secrets in a community. Anyway, talking about a secret incredible fantastic SC and then behaving so elusively is like throwing a bomb in Times Square and then claiming you didn't. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by David Wonn on 05/21/10 at 05:36:03 The reason I suggested the kart meet is because it is the ideal venue to unveil it to multiple people at the same time. It is the most organized meet so far that this community has, and I am all about doing things in a planned, methodical, and organized way. Andrew Weatherton has a TAS setup there, which I do not have. It will be vastly easier to explain the shortcut while I am there in person because it is somewhat difficult to explain the technicalities (angle, general spots to hit, etc.) in words alone. This will also give people the opportunity to make their own attempts at landing the shortcut, while I am there to guide them through it in person. We came close to revealing it in a previous meet, and that is perhaps when I should have gone forward with it. Now this is the part I don't expect everyone to understand, regarding my previous reasoning: Back in the day, some individuals actually came quite close to figuring out my shortcut. In my mind, I was holding onto hope that I was going to get these specific individuals to come to a future meet and surprise them with the shortcut. I felt I owed it to them first, to give them a sneak preview before everyone else. It was a sort of code of honor that I wished to fulfill. When they never did show in future meets, my plans had to change. I have since officially given up the hope that I will see the unnamed individuals, so the shortcut will be revealed publicly, perhaps as it should have anyway. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by Zarkov on 05/21/10 at 05:56:53 Why dont you just make a video? |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by Pleiades on 05/21/10 at 06:08:46 Be a dick then apologize for it; genius campaign technique. despicable. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by TvL on 05/21/10 at 06:38:45 Respect for a man who has the guts to acknowledge his mistakes and apologize for them! |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by Matt V on 05/21/10 at 08:33:54 I will never play SC's on MK64 (mostly because I can't do pretty much all of them :-[ ), so I'm not too worried about the contraversy you caused. I havn't checked out your bracket yet David, but you'll likely get my vote. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by David Wonn on 05/21/10 at 08:53:19 51535C5C5D5C515E534059320 wrote:
I have a pretty antiquated setup, as Kevin can attest from his previous visit. I do not have any modern video-capture tools. At best, I would be hooking up a beat up VCR from the 80s, finding a blank tape, hope the VCR doesn't eat it, and then snail-mail that tape to someone. This would obviously take time for someone to receive and convert to something usable on the web. Just this week as a test, I sent Kevin some shots via camera phone of a recent LR Mylestyle replay racing against one of my old 2001 ghosts doing Mylestyle in a different spot, since I thought it looked neat having two completely different Mylestyle runs happening on the same screen at the same time. Let's just say the quality of the footage was quite sub-par. The alternative is to record this with Andrew's TAS setup when I go there in August. The quality will be much better and far more interactive. I have tested stuff there in previous meets, and believe me, it's a far better setup for this sort of thing. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by ALAKTORN on 05/21/10 at 09:10:41 113E3D3D293E221C5B0 wrote:
:exclamation . |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by Pleiades on 05/21/10 at 09:11:55 alaktorn already knows what it is. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by David Wonn on 05/21/10 at 09:18:12 556D7071765D526E637B67705D47746770020 wrote:
I know you have expressed interest in attending the Virginia meet, so if you manage to make it there in August, I can help train you on some shortcuts, especially some of the tougher ones. It helps dramatically to know not just how they work, but why they work. Josh Layne was strictly a non-shortcut player prior to the 2006 meet. At first, it seemed like he would be one of the least likely to ever dive into the shortcut field. Let's just say he adapted quite quickly to learning shortcuts, and we nearly converted him. :-) |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by finn on 05/21/10 at 11:14:32 0B3730323E2C0029135F0 wrote:
my very thoughts, too. that is never easy, and too seldom seen. finn |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by MC1_For_Life on 05/21/10 at 11:39:27 37383F3F510 wrote:
my very thoughts, too. that is never easy, and too seldom seen. finn[/quote] I agree, people forget the occasional sick topics and posts that appear on general thread (mostly get deleted anyway) and there is rarely, if ever any apologies from the people responsible for those. This is a lighter subject, but something we can resolve nicely, and it will be done so. Yes we have to respect a man whos taking responsibility here. Ok, maybe looking back he didnt handle it the best way, thats fine, but itl be sorted out in his own time whether it is at a meet or video or whatever. For the time being just be patient, and enjoy the remainder of the KC2K10 :) |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by Etch on 05/21/10 at 14:21:22 1E3B2C333E050D3534345A0 wrote:
If padz is in on this I will shit bricks! |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by Patricio on 05/21/10 at 16:51:43 Wonn do you realize that a camera with photo and video on it costs like probably 20 dollars and has amazing quality. Plug into computer and upload. Also its funny you're kind of saying some people are more important than others and therefore you only share it with them. Did you share this with Weatherton atleast? Why wouldn't you show it to Weatherton or Fried, or Myles? unless you did. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by Pleiades on 05/21/10 at 17:32:40 484740402E0 wrote:
my very thoughts, too. that is never easy, and too seldom seen. finn[/quote] I've done this multiple times, never ever got your respect for it. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by David Wonn on 05/21/10 at 18:42:54 0D3F382F29322B343E356D695D0 wrote:
You obviously haven't seen my wonderfully souped up, oh-so-powerful -- let's just say -- "craptops" that I bring to the kart meets. ;-) *anxiously awaits PYL to stumble upon this post* 0D3F382F29322B343E356D695D0 wrote:
Actually, it is quite likely that you may have already (at least partially) answered your own question. Revealing names now will just cause them to be hounded by the kart paparazzi. Out of respect, that would be unfair to do that to them at this stage. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by TheFrigz on 05/22/10 at 07:06:40 092C3B2429121A2223234D0 wrote:
You obviously haven't seen my wonderfully souped up, oh-so-powerful -- let's just say -- "craptops" that I bring to the kart meets. ;-) *anxiously awaits PYL to stumble upon this post* 0D3F382F29322B343E356D695D0 wrote:
Actually, it is quite likely that you may have already (at least partially) answered your own question. Revealing names now will just cause them to be hounded by the kart paparazzi. Out of respect, that would be unfair to do that to them at this stage.[/quote] I'M YOUR BIGGEST FAN, I'LL FOLLOW YOU UNTIL YOU LOVE ME..PAPA..PAPARAZZI! |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by Mister Moll on 05/23/10 at 10:39:24 Quote:
If people are so fuused then why don't they compare the 1997 wr's with those of today and see which ones have nearly halved??? Personally I'm of the opion that everyones getting far too upset that someone else has found a way to cheat at a video game and won't tell. Can't people be happy to just drive the tracks how they were intended? |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by padz on 05/23/10 at 13:41:16 517E7D7D697E625C1B0 wrote:
^ if everyone is too dumb to not vote wonn then he should be disqualified before he ruins the entire thing |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by The Gaff on 05/28/10 at 12:22:55 umm... is it time to unveil it? |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by cutz22 on 05/28/10 at 15:25:41 He said he would unveil it at the Karter meet. I'm very curious about it too, because it's on the course you would least likely expect. Any guesses? [smiley=happy.gif] |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by cutz22 on 05/29/10 at 13:47:04 Sorry for the double post, but it needed to be said. Wonn, I got your KD fence glitch on vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbZlSogwyY :) |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by David Wonn on 05/29/10 at 14:04:21 ^ I just watched your vid, and I appreciate that you are trying to recreate my early '97 fluke. Kalimari Desert has several places where you can go from the outside of the fence to the inside, as you did in the vid. However, the fluke shortcut that I did involved going from the inside (on the train tracks) to the outside (back to the desert.) As for the other mystery fluke shortcut, yes, it will be revealed at this year's meet in Virginia. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by cutz22 on 05/29/10 at 14:06:47 Yeah, I understand that in order for it to be useful you would have to do it on the inside of the track. The point of the vid was just to show the actual going through the fence and proving it was possible on vid. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by David Wonn on 05/29/10 at 14:27:25 Yes, you demonstrated the way it looks very well. In the desert, there are many changes in elevation that make the glitch easier. However, from the inside of the track, it is still not known how it happened, although the part of going through/over the fence itself looked similar to the way I remember it. Laps will be in the 20s if it is ever perfected. In the case of my fluke, it could have been a combination of a few worst case scenarios at the same time. For instance, the train may have been loaded into memory, slowing the frame rate slightly, while I had gone through just the right spot where some polygons met (think DKJP lap skip.) Anyway that's just one theory on how it happened. I unfortunately could not save the ghost since I had already spent too much time on the track (as was the case with my other fluke.) Otherwise, I would have mastered the fluke shortcuts long ago, since studying my ghosts to death was how I became so proficient at shortcuts back in the day.... |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by cutz22 on 05/29/10 at 14:51:56 Did you use a shroom? And were you sliding? Do you know the approximate spot you were at? |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by David Wonn on 05/29/10 at 20:40:04 Since it happened in March or April 1997, my memory of the Kalimari fluke is somewhat fuzzy. I don't think I used a shroom, though I may have been sliding. Regardless, I tried both with and without shrooms in later attempts. It wasn't terribly far from where you exit the tunnel, probably no more than the full length of the train away. If you do manage to recreate it, please try to save the ghost run. This will be essential in solving the age-old mystery. |
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Title: Re: My apologies to the Kart community Post by cutz22 on 05/29/10 at 20:45:55 I can only record replays as I have no controller pack for the N64. :-/ |
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