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https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl General >> Mafia >> Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1242993721 Message started by Ivootjes on 05/22/09 at 04:02:00 |
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Title: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Ivootjes on 05/22/09 at 04:02:00 Player List 1. Honko - Died night 1, regular sex fiend 2. Flo1 - lynched day 5, regular townie 3. One Shot (Johnny wishbone) - Died night 1, Mafia Goon 4. Isthatagoodthing (replaced pobre) 5. Kmacc 6. Padzup 7. Sword (replaced BB-X) - killed night 5, regular townie 8. Clark (%Hat) - Lynched day 3, mafia godfather 9. Syzygy 10. Koopz - Killed night 3, regular townie 11. Superyoshi 12. Karterfreak - Killed night 2, regular townie 13. Etch 14. Andrew Math - Lynched day 1, regular townie 15. Sportsguy 16. Howes - Modkilled day 2, regular townie 17. MVT - Lynched day 4, regular mafia member 18. Extol 19. Darius 20. Jabes 21. Borgeman - Killed night 3, town vigilante What is this game? There are two teams, Town and Mafia. They are trying to kill each other. You know which team you are on by the Role PM I send you. Mafia members know who else is in the Mafia. Town members do not know which team anyone is on. There are two phases, Day and Night. This game will start in the Day. During each Day, people discuss in this topic and choose to vote for someone to lynch. Post your votes in bold like this Vote: Ivo If you want to change your vote, post Unvote first. At the end of the day, the person with the most votes is lynched, and his role is revealed. Then night begins. At night, the mafia discuss secretly who they want to kill. One of them sends me a PM, and the player they name will turn up dead in the morning. Some players on both sides also have special roles that allow them to do actions at night. Once everyone has sent me their actions for the night, morning comes, any new dead bodies are revealed, and the next day begins. The Town's best weapon is the Day lynch, so they will try to catch suspicious things the Mafia say and lynch them. Meanwhile, the Mafia try to misdirect the Town so they lynch someone innocent. The game ends either when all the Mafia are dead (Town wins) or there are at least as many Mafia as Town (Mafia wins). This is a team game - even if you died on the first day, you still win if your team wins. So don't be afraid to sacrifice your character's life if you think it will really help your team get the victory. Rules - This is a closed set up. Roles are unknown until a player dies. -Days will last 72 hours, or until a majority of votes are on 1 person. If no majority is reached before the deadline, then the person with the most votes will by lynched. If there is a tie, the one that was most recently ahead will be lynched. -Nights will last 24 hours, or until I have recieved all night action PMs. If you do not send your action before the deadline, then you won't perform any action for that day. If you don't want to do an action that night, please send me a PM saying that so I know we can move on to the next day. -No talking at Night (except for Mafia). -No communication about this game outside of this topic, except between Mafia members. If you have anything to say about the game, say it in here. Mafia can of course talk with other Mafia anytime and any way they want. -No talking once you are dead. I'll allow 1 post saying something like "good game" or "good luck" or "argh" or whatever, but don't post anything that could help anyone figure something out. -No editing posts. If you want to add 1 sentence to a post you just made, that's OK, but never remove content from your posts, and never change posts that are more than a few minutes old. -No deleting posts. Same idea as above. Basically, all players need to have equal access to all the information in this topic. If you take something out, that unbalances the game. If something needs to be modded, I will ask a mod to do it. -If you aren't in the game, please don't post. No matter how obvious it is to you who the mafia is, let the players figure it out themselves. -Don't post any kind of picture of your role PM as proof of who you are. You have to convince people with your words, not with your PrtScn button (or your photoshopping skills). -If you break these rules, you may be modkilled by me. A modkill counts as that day's lynch. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. Post by Ivootjes on 05/22/09 at 04:03:24 I'm going to send out pms now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. Post by Ivootjes on 05/22/09 at 04:26:08 All pm's have been sent. Day 1 starts now. It will end in 3 days, 12 hours from now. Oh, too lazy to write a story if somebody noticed :P Have fun spamming |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/22/09 at 04:29:55 Yeah again a closed set up ! I missed badly the last game cos of uni... I wonder if there are outrageous overpowered roles this time... [smiley=lolk.gif] Too bad you didn't find a theme Ivo, but I won't complain ;) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Darius on 05/22/09 at 04:42:21 I have to go to a stag do this weekend so I'm going to be away until Sunday. I'll try and get on and post if I can before that but if not I'll probably be next posting sometime Sunday evening. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/22/09 at 05:36:38 Random votes, anyone? vote: Jabes Blame the random number generator I used. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by KoopZ on 05/22/09 at 07:07:55 another closed setup? i was hoping for an open one cuz i havent played one of those yet, but thats ok. time to devote ungodly amounts of time to the board again..... in all seriousness, the only times i'll prolly be on really are really late at night (i live in central US, if you wanna know time zone diffs). we'll see what happens though. good luck guys! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Flo1 on 05/22/09 at 07:33:48 Don't you want to tell us how many townies and mafias there are in that game? and what are the diffenrent power roles? :-? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by KoopZ on 05/22/09 at 07:49:48 we dont know flo, thats the point of a closed set up. the only people who know anything about anyone is the mafia. mafia know who their other mafia buddies are, but they dont know anything about the town's power roles. i think thats how it works. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by %hat on 05/22/09 at 08:00:13 I like the idea of a closed set up tbh. Must be some cool power roles knocking about which could throw a spanner in the works. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Flo1 on 05/22/09 at 08:25:06 Yes, but I still think everybody should know which power roles are in this game and what are they supposed to do... I absolutely don't mean anything about who own these power roles and nobody must know anything about that :) That's all Well we may have an answer from ivo as soon as he'll be connected (or not). So I suppose the DAY has started (yes I just read the first post, so it's not the first night but the first day). So let's start to vote, just to know more about what other players have to say. Vote: Superyoshi |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Honko on 05/22/09 at 08:39:12 Cooper just answered that and he's right, you don't know what any of the roles are in a closed set up. Vote: Flo Just do it everyone, you know you want to. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Johnny Wishbone on 05/22/09 at 09:47:54 Vote: Flo |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/22/09 at 10:01:35 1F243B2C217C74747C4D0 wrote:
You don't seem to like the rules very much Flo. ::) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Syzygy on 05/22/09 at 10:18:12 Revealing roles is stupid at this stage. It would cause so much BS. Closed is funny, but I was kinda hoping for an open one after last games drama. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/22/09 at 10:40:45 I'll go ahead and random vote. Vote BB-X |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/22/09 at 10:48:09 5C77706C711E0 wrote:
You read in my mind ! ;D But I wanna wait before that everyone post once before voting. Also I except Tim to cast a vote on me as well ::) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Syzygy on 05/22/09 at 10:58:14 Vote: SuperYoshi1 Because he sucks at MC3 ::) Edit: Changed mick to superyoshi |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/22/09 at 12:02:22 Vote : Syzygy The way he hid his DDR strat is very mafia behaviour [smiley=ninja.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Jabes on 05/22/09 at 12:13:20 I just realized I was in this game just now. Closed setup, eh? I guess we'll see how it works out... Is my buddy Etch playing, too? If he is, then the town is going to be unstoppable... 8-) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by karterfreak on 05/22/09 at 12:23:37 I can't believe this, but I'm agreeing with honko for once Vote: Flo1 I don't think I can stand another game with him in it, especially after his two comments about the closed setup. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Kmacc on 05/22/09 at 12:26:28 Yes Etch is playing, but he's probably mafia. ;D Anyway, same as always, chances are one of the people knocked off today are going to be the less useful players. We can see who is trying, then come to a decision on someone who's not helping us and lynch them, but only if we had no big suspects. No-lynching is stupid, hopefully we don't follow that path. Doesn't get us anywhere. vote: flo1 Are you actually going to be helpful, rather than complaining about the game rules? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Padzup on 05/22/09 at 13:45:36 7D5A5D47565D595C635C445641330 wrote:
How would you know he's town for sure this game? This post sounds really fake. I'm gonna wait for more people to speak up before making a serious vote. It's nice that everyone wants Flo gone but putting votes on him just gives other people an excuse to not post or just bandwagon him without adding anything. Honko don't get someone lynched this early on. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Ivootjes on 05/22/09 at 14:16:10 Flo: The roles won't be posted because it's a closed set up. This will keep the game close until the end instead of ending with role claims when 6-10 people are still around. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/22/09 at 14:19:05 Several questions for ivoot. When will Day 1 end? Is the "mafia website" thing that Shadow made working for this game? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Ivootjes on 05/22/09 at 14:23:20 http://www.mariokart64.com/mk64/mafia.cgi It is working. Thank shadow. Day will end in 72 hours from now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/22/09 at 14:30:47 About this whole flo thing. As much as I know that Flo will be completely useless this game, I feel like voting him off is the wrong idea, at least at this moment. You all may have fond memories of town voting him off randomly and he actually ended up being mafia power in the "girls theme" mafia game but statistically he is most likely town. Why resign ourselves to killing a probable needledick the first day. Also flo is just the type of person that if he was town power role of any kind, he would hide it and resign himself to being lynched by us fellow townies, a costly blow. I don't know really how to handle him. With Flo its always all or nothing. It's either he is a useless needledick who does absolutely nothing for the town, or a stupid mafia member. I think if we give him some more time he will eventually mess up anyways just by his English, and we will know if he is actually mafia. [smiley=lolk.gif] I wouldn't really mind Flo being the days lynch but... Let's here from some other peeps! [smiley=uzi.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Honko on 05/22/09 at 14:33:45 Calling it now: Jabes and Karterfreak are both mafia. There's my sober ubergut for the day. Unvote I've got a project due at midnight, so I'm gonna say I'll be gone until then even though I'll probably end up checking the topic every 30 minutes and not working on it until like 10:30. After that it's 3-day weekend extravaganza baby. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by %hat on 05/22/09 at 15:11:46 Hmm, Robin seems fishy from the outset. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/22/09 at 16:41:00 Participation is also lazy in this mafia edition. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Extol on 05/22/09 at 16:42:58 mafia: everyone is lazy edition |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by KoopZ on 05/22/09 at 22:30:58 yeah PY, same principle. i think the only reason flo is complaining about the rules is that he's still hurting over the fact that his mafia game got ruined and no one cared, and now we're all gung-ho about ivo hosting a game. i'm with MVT on this one, no reason to vote him off yet. and wow, i came home to only another page's worth of posts? i was almost disappointed to not have much to read. lazy edition indeed. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Honko on 05/22/09 at 22:35:44 Someone needs to alert Pobre that the game has started. Then we'll have plenty to read. Also, I was looking at the playerlist and noticed some guy named Padzup is playing. Who the fuck is Padzup? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Borgeman on 05/23/09 at 01:19:51 ghost town in here ... at least with a closed game no one will know that i am superman http://cache.hyves-static.net/images/smilies/default/smiley_superman2.gif George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by %hat on 05/23/09 at 02:04:31 Yeah there are some weird roles knocking around. Ive got the Ragnor the Destroyer tole or something. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/23/09 at 07:22:15 Lol @ the low activity. Half of the players still haven't posted yet :-/ |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/23/09 at 07:39:57 this is pathetic. Maybe we SHOULD just vote flo off lol :-X |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/23/09 at 09:51:34 MVT, I'm not sure if there is 13 active people to end the day early by voting Flo. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Honko on 05/23/09 at 10:27:30 4. Pobre 7. BB-X 13. Etch 14. Andrew Math These guys haven't posted yet. I've seen Etch viewing the topic several times, so he knows the game is on. Maybe he's just waiting until there's something worth saying, since right now there's not too much to comment on. The other 3 probably don't realize the game started yet or haven't checked the boards. To get a little discussion started, how do people feel about Jabes and Karterfreak's posts on page 1? Padzup pointed out that Joe's felt fake. I get the same feeling from it, and from Matt's post 10 minutes later as well. Does anyone else see it? Matt's post was also completely contradictory to last time he played with Flo, when he was defending him to the end (Matt was town that game). He's one of the last I'd expect to get on a quick bandwagon early in day 1, no matter how annoying Flo is. Gonna go ahead and vote for one of them, and see if their next post clears away my suspicions or makes them stronger. Vote: Jabes |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/23/09 at 11:07:22 I don't think Jabes was being "fake". I think that is Joe's typical posting style of somewhat sarcasm. He did get angry in his last game because of the lack of activity, but he hasn't in this game with much less activity. I thought Pobre would have posted 26 times by now. And MVT would have posted about 14 times. Etch had very limited posts early in the previous game. I don't know anything about BB-X, but i voted for him. I have very limited knowledge of Math. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/23/09 at 11:24:33 Anyone else think that people trying to call for voting off Flo are mafia? Namely, MVT. No change in vote for now, it's not worth it atm. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Jabes on 05/23/09 at 12:36:23 My Etch comment was in reference to another topic when Etch said something like, "if we have another mafia game, I call Jabes to be on my team," or something along those lines. Etch is a smart guy, so I'd want to be on his team, too... I didn't mean to come off as "fake" or whatever, but I suppose the whole game revolves around reading into what people say, so I don't take offense to it. I was just pointing out that a game with Etch as a townie is pretty crucial for the town's survival. With that in mind, I think I'd like to know what Etch has to say about it. Should I vote for you, Etch, or should I wait until you post something? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Ivootjes on 05/23/09 at 12:40:56 Come on people, get posting! still about 48 hours left |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Jabes on 05/23/09 at 12:43:04 Also, I wasn't lying when I said that I just realized I was in the game. I had said in the registration topic, "Can I still join?"... and then I never checked it again... That was my fault, but notwithstanding I'm happy to be in the game. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by @ndrew_Math on 05/23/09 at 15:22:19 heres a post! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Borgeman on 05/23/09 at 16:09:31 ^if you're gonna post, dont post nothing, cause this happens... Vote: Math now say something useful ::) George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Borgeman on 05/23/09 at 16:29:04 i got work now so ill be back in around 10-12 hrs, hopefully the chatter has increased by then, ill just say some stuff now i dont really think anyone has said enough to be suspicious yet unfortunately, but im leaning towards what honko said about matt... joe made sense with what he said about his initial posts, tho that doesnt make him less mafia than everyone else [smiley=evil.gif] George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Extol on 05/23/09 at 17:00:43 vote: math i say post something more than that, i know theres not much to say so far but anything is good. i agreed with Honko at first about Jabes and Karterfreak's posts looking fake, but since then Jabes has redeemed himself, and made a good point about Etch, so hes good for now for me. Matt hasnt said anything since Honko's post, so i dunno about him, ill wait to see what he says. (Edit: my vote is for Andrew math, not for arithmetic.) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by karterfreak on 05/23/09 at 17:59:21 517A7D617C130 wrote:
It was more or less a grudge vote honko, I defended him when he was mafia for the language barrier, and I basically got backstabbed for defending him because he was mafia. Ergo, grudge vote for making me look like an idiot :P |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by @ndrew_Math on 05/23/09 at 18:50:10 210C1104060E020D630 wrote:
You Jew. [smiley=thumbdown.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by @ndrew_Math on 05/23/09 at 18:58:23 vote borgeman |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/23/09 at 19:00:00 Unvote Vote: Math Please disregard my previous statement about MVT, apparently I didn't read his post all the way. But that doesn't necessarily make him town... [smiley=ninja.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Honko on 05/23/09 at 19:04:08 Math, I dunno what's up with you recently thinking you're some kind of hardcore spammer, but this isn't the topic for it. You signed up for the game, so play it. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Kmacc on 05/23/09 at 20:52:00 At this rate, Math is going to be deemed more useless than Flo, didn't think anyone could pull that one off. Anyway, Flo has yet to answer my questions, but I don't think he will anyway. I just wanted to make him talk, didn't work. unvote |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Padzup on 05/23/09 at 21:14:49 I'm surprised nobody has said anything about Clark. Whether or not it's just his playstyle remains to be seen but for some reason he's eluded suspicion during the Day in past games. Given the pace of this game it might be a good idea to keep an eye on him this time. That said, Honko is someone to watch out for given that he's trusted in general and that nobody has seen him play as mafia. Same goes for Etch. Not to say that Honko has done anything suspect so far but nobody should be assumed to be town at this point; both of them would be very dangerous as mafia. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by %hat on 05/23/09 at 23:11:05 lol Padzup. You make me out to be good at this game ^^ Though from what ive read in this thread, Robin has caught my suspiscion most. Pointing out people as possible mafia without much reasoning behind his reasons. Blah, maybe its just because he is so sexy. :-* Anyway, Il reserve voting just yet in order to see a bit more action. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by KoopZ on 05/23/09 at 23:55:46 and once again a lack of posts to come home to. right off the bat i wanna vote for andrew cuz he's only posted crap thus far. despite flo's language barrier, he's at least trying and could potentially be of some use. if this is the way math is going to post throughout the game, i dont really wanna deal with that. vote: andrew math i'll change it if he actually starts saying something useful. til then though, my vote's on him. where's jeff? :-? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Honko on 05/24/09 at 00:23:33 Down to 36 hours left, and we haven't done much of anything yet. Everyone's just waiting for something to happen, that's not gonna work. We need to put some stuff out there to work with. If we just sit around, mafia will easily slip under the radar and tomorrow we'll be right back here with no idea what to do. That's why I'm bringing up my small suspicions, I'm hoping it will get some kind of discussion started, because so far this activity is pathetic. I like Joe's 2nd post better than his 1st. I don't really like karterfreak's 2nd post...that's completely different reasoning from what you said when you first voted for Flo. I'm still a little wary of both of you, but you've posted more content than like 80% of the players in the game now so I'll leave it for the moment. At least we have something to come back to if you become suspicious again later. Unvote Vote: Kmacc Did you really expect Flo to answer that question? It looks like you were just making an excuse for jumping on the Flo train, and now that other people have gotten off of it you're giving up. Get some votes out there and start talking, people. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Borgeman on 05/24/09 at 06:00:19 still sticking with math atm, until he defends himself since he has a few votes now at this rate, unless we get some serious discussion, we are probably going to have to decide to randomly vote someone off and hope we guessed right. the way it is now, the mafia only need to post once here and there and it wont look bad cause half the town is also like that and they blend right in lets hear some chatter [smiley=lurk.gif] George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 07:00:05 7B77627E7B77716365262521160 wrote:
1A2B22221A2F222B4E0 wrote:
I have actually been discouraging people to vote off flo. When I was saying a few posts ago, to maybe just kill flo to end the day now, it was half-hearted just to try and get people to make more posts. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/24/09 at 07:01:50 Unvote Vote BB-X Cos of inactivity. I don't know if he is aware that the game has started :-/ Same goes for Pobre and Etch, but I expect them to be busy atm... so I'll wait until the end to listen to them. Everyone needs to post at least once otherwise mafia will certainly end up killing one of the non-posters so that we don't have any clue on day 2 :( Btw, it seems Math is doing crap at this game [smiley=lolk.gif] I may end up voting for him by the end of the day if he keep going this way ::) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Kmacc on 05/24/09 at 07:04:01 @Honko: I did actually want to see if he would answer my question. As I stated in an earlier post, if we have no good suspects to take out today, it's going to have to be somone who is not very helpful, or no lynch. In my opinion, no lynching is stupid. In previous games most agreed with this as well, so chances are we'd be voting out someone useless. That being said, I asked Flo that question to see if he'd actually try and help. If he isn't going to help than there's no point in keeping him around. But I'm not going to wait forever for him to answer either. By him not answering and not posting very much recently if at all, it's just showing he won't help so much for now (unless he said he'd be busy?). And for now, with the way Math is posting, I think he is more useless than Flo would be, because at least Flo is enthusiastic about the game, so he'll usually try despite not being very good at it. Math is doing nothing but spamming. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 07:06:32 Disregard my last post about howes. I didnt read his top of the page post lol. :) Anyway Math is just being a complete asshole. What use is he right now. Completely zero. It's almost as if he wants to leave the game. I won't mind assisting until he changes his ways. Vote Math |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/24/09 at 08:03:57 Votecount: @ndrew_Math: 5 (MVT, Howes, Koopz, Borgeman, Extol) BB-X: 2 (SuperYoshi1, Sportsguy001) SuperYoshi1: 2 (Flo1, Syzygy) Flo1: 2: (Karterfreak, Johnny Wishbone) Kmacc: 1 (Honko) Borgeman: 1 (@ndrew_Math) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Etch on 05/24/09 at 08:05:30 6740475D4C47434679465E4C5B290 wrote:
Sup [smiley=smokin.gif] Right out of the starting gate, Flo has once again established himself as the I don't know what the fuck I am doing kind of guy. Since the game is closed, only real mafia members would know what kind of roles they have and how many town players there are. I don't think Flo is clever enough to pretend he doesn't know the answers to these questions which would imply he is mafia. Probably a stupid townie or an incredibly stupid mafia, the former more likely. Honko votes for him first probably because it is funny at this point but Oneshot also does without saying much. Karterfreak later votes for Flo without much explanation. Kmacc also votes for Flo but under the idea his ineptness as a town member won't be beneficial even if he has a power role. Seeing who votes for who and if the lynched person is town or mafia at least gives us some idea who to go after next. MVT argues that keeping him around wouldn't be a bad thing because if he has a power role, he hopefully will keep it a secret this time and possibly help the town out at night. He can't do that if you guys throw him under the bus immediately. After that, Honko does a complete 180 by unvoting and says Jabes and Karterfreak are now mafia? Even Clark smelled some bullshit! Honko later votes for Jabes on the grounds his post sounds fake. Maybe it's just me but I don't think Jabes is the kind of guy who can go through a game lying through his teeth. He doesn't have the time or energy to devote to a game by completely bullshitting. It's only day one so it's hard to be certain of a player's motive in their posts. Sportsguy being an smk guy and all knows Jabes' style better than other people here so I am inclined to agree with him. It's unlikely a mafia player would try and save someone if one vote was placed on them because that will readily make them the next target for the town based on the outcome of day one's lynch. Matt later explains his poor voting strategy on the grounds he is an idiot. Howes ironically made a random vote on Jabes early on but also pointed out that the votes called off on Flo are suspicious. Not that the mafia wants to save his ass but try and find another guy who is better to kill. If Flo is useless, the mafia should not feel too threatened leaving him alive unlike some other players. Jabes eventually defends himself which prompted me to finally say something after the other stuff I read recently. Andrew Math hasn't played this game before here. Neither has Borgeman which makes his immediate vote on him kind of funny. How does Andrew respond? Calls him a jew and makes a vote against him. Howes, MVT, Cooper, and Extol quickly throw up a vote against Andrew too because this is very strange posting even by Pobre standards. Unlike Flo, Andrew hasn't said much of anything to indicate if he is town or not. Maybe he is a no power role townie and can't do anything cool or is no power role mafia and is trying to fake his role. One would think a mafia power role player would never bring suspicion unto themselves but the last game proved otherwise. I don't know much about their posting style but I will trust Borgeman with my gut over Andrew initially. Like Jabes and Sportsguy, I won't rule out the idea Borgeman can also play as a mafia member steathfully but there is little to go on at the moment. Andrew is a way better choice to lynch than Flo atm and a bandwagon against him doesn't warrant suspicion. Honko brushes off Andrew's posts as just playful spam while Kmacc sees it as completely useless. Honko was ready to lynch people making actual posts but all of a sudden Andrew is worth keeping? He later puts a vote on Kmacc for voting against Flo and later changing his mind in light of voting off Andrew would be better. The funny thing is Kmacc didn't start the votes on Flo and said earlier he'd get rid of him only because he is useless as a town member. That's always a good strat for day one since no one really knows anything and you don't want to kill any townies with a power role. We have better reason to kill Andrew than Flo based on the posts so far. I feel like the initial votes on Flo without much explanation was a way for the mafia to make us kill him without really thinking about it. That's easy to do and better than us lynching a mafia member from their point of view. These guys haven't voted against Andrew yet so what's so different between him and Flo? Maybe Robin wants to encourage some more posting by throwing votes out there but he can't possibly think he has this shit all figured out yet. I don't know what you are smoking but what you think isn't exactly what is logical. Syzygy and Superyoshi vote for one another, just for lulz. Sportsguy made a good vote against BB-X. Who the fuck is this guy? Until we hear from him he is definitely suspicious since it is the town's job to figure out who to lynch during the day. If anyone doesn't try and make any effort to work in that direction, you are against the town. Darius and Pobre are also mia but I am sure Pobre doesn't even know this started. Early on, mafia will want to stay under the radar and make it look like they are on the town's team by voting for people that actual town members want to lynch. If we kill a townie, better to be a useless guy like Andrew. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/24/09 at 08:14:40 Absent players: Darius- stated he would be away until today on the first page. Pobre- hasn't been online since 3 hours before the start of the game BB-X- hasn't been online since the day before the start of the game Having Math in this game is annoying me due to the fact that we have the same first name [smiley=lolk.gif]. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Borgeman on 05/24/09 at 08:39:07 nice post etch, hopefully more to come from the rest my first vote was to be one of those vote_for_a_guy_who_has_said_nothing votes, except matt made a dumb post, so he deserved it. and he has yet to give me/us any real opinions on anything. the fact that he voted me straight after i voted him is useless tbh, but it makes me lean initially for him to be a townie - either way i will leave my vote on him till he talks anywho bed for me George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Johnny Wishbone on 05/24/09 at 09:33:04 Unvote Vote: MVT MVT clearly knows what he is doing. He's mafia all the way |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Padzup on 05/24/09 at 09:38:03 Etch, if Math were a powerless mafia he would have already been thrown under the bus. The only reason to keep him around would be to use him as a target for any vigs at Night. This would be a risky play given that he's on the chopping block as it stands and he's useless to them otherwise. Math could also be a vanilla who's pissed he didn't get a better role so he's just trying to get lynched (I'm going to assume he isn't a town power else he wouldn't behave this way). This means one of two things: either mafia jumps on the bandwagon for an easy lynch or mafia keeps him around to waste vigs' time. This wouldn't be nearly as dangerous for them either way but at the same time it might draw more suspicion on them for knowing Math was town. However the most likely scenario to me is that Math is some kind of mafia power and is just mucking it up because he's an idiot. If this is the case mafia is probably pretty pissed off at him already and trying to save his bacon so they don't lose a power Day 1. As for Honko, throwing out a vote and waiting for obvious bandwagons from other players is a valid strat. The rest of your arguments are pretty sound. I feel I should mention that I was the one who initially said Joe's post sounded fake. Honko simply reiterated my point and voted him for some reason. Not to say that changes my opinion on the matter, his second post doesn't do much for me and honestly I think that you defending him doesn't help either of your cases. Oneshot needs to post more, or at least some semblance of reasoning. Extol hasn't actually said much in the way of useful information; he just voted Math and summed up Honko's posts. In the past he's only done this as mafia though I suppose he could just be lazy given the general attitude of the game. Any reason why Howes has randomly started posting votecounts? Seems to me like he doesn't feel like he's helping out enough. So instead of posting something of merit he's just doing votecounts to look like he's contributing. Not to say that they shouldn't be posted in here but it seems odd that this happened out of the blue (although Math is gaining votes quickly). What this means is that at the end of the day when we look at how much everyone has posted, Howes comes off with an above-average number of posts even though he probably hasn't said much more than the rest of us. Really this is just a note to say that it's not a good idea to judge based on postcount alone but rather on content. It's a useful tool for picking out those who have barely posted but we shouldn't assume a higher postcount correlates directly to more content. Either way we only have about 26 hours left to decide on who to vote for and typically it's a good idea to post lots on Day 1 to be able to do so. Since neither seems to be happening I'm not sure what to do. But probably more annoying than the lack of activity is people whining about it and not posting much else. This game isn't going to be played for you. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Darius on 05/24/09 at 09:42:55 Hi everyone, I'm back, sorry about my absence. Quite surprised I only had three pages to read through. Jabes' first post was definitely the most suspicious in my book. This comment also struck me as quite weird: 6B4C4B51404B4F4A754A524057250 wrote:
I'm not sure if that was just supposed to be a joke or what, but it doesn't really make much sense and I have no idea why he said it. Math is one of the worst kinds of players so far, refusing to contribute or even give reasons for his vote. If he's town, he's also the easiest type of player for the mafia to get lynched, but if we're going to vote anyone off for being useless, it should be him rather than Flo. Etch: Sportsguy's vote on BB-X was random, as far as I can tell, how is that a good vote? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by karterfreak on 05/24/09 at 10:40:49 1C37302C315E0 wrote:
Somehow I knew you would jump on me of all people for making a grudge vote. By all means look at it as suspicious if you really want to, but in all honesty, I consider your complete 180 off of flo (which etch also mentioned) suspicious, and a little unlike your style from the previous game. I found it just as suspicious that you jumped on Kmacc for asking a simple question that EVEN flo could answer with a simple "yes, I'll try and help out this game." Unvote I myself don't have a reason to vote for flo, other than the grudge I've got against him for making me look like an idiot in the mafia game where I defended him, and he was mafia. I'm suspicious of Jabes, Honko, and Math right now. Each of them has either said something suspicious (Jabes and Honko) or hasn't contributed anything decent (Math). I'm not going to vote right now until I've come up with who I find more suspicious. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/24/09 at 10:40:54 0C3D3826292C5C0 wrote:
I posted the votecount because there had not been an actual votecount at that time, and it seemed like a good time to post one. I will admit I haven't said much, but then, who has said a lot so far. Etch has a long one of analysis, while you also have an analysis post. My 5 posts before this went something like this: random vote to try to get posts, post with dumb accusation, post retracting said dumb accusation, votecount, explanation for why people are absent. Basically, I'm posting because I'm putting off a major project for school, which I don't want to do. If I wanted to try to slip by without posting, I'm sure I could last a couple of in-game days easily with minimal suspicion. Trying to deeply analyze at this point is useless anyway, unless you claim to have some special intuition... Ivo, you should definitely modkill people that don't speak just for their lack of interest in the game. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/24/09 at 11:09:44 19282D333C39490 wrote:
Noone knows if there are vigs in this game, even mafia, so the first option is most likeky. Though mafia can as well let him alive for a while to make him looks suspicious, but since he is already on the pace of being this day lynch, I don't see this happening... Quote:
I would tend to say this tool tends to help us almost nothing. Some people tend to do one liners posts to slip under the radar with a decent post count *cough* Syzygy *cough* whilst whilst other who have posted even less have contributed more to the game. This is those one lines writers that we should be more careful... I think we should count words instead of, it would be WAY MORE revelant ::) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Honko on 05/24/09 at 11:40:35 722873717B73792D2D180 wrote:
Hahaha wtf Etch made one of those big posts he hates so much. Are you high? ;D I'm not ready to lynch anyone yet. I'm trying to get more posting, that's all. I do think Jabes and Karterfreak's posts were suspicious, but I definitely don't want them lynched yet, I just wanted them to elaborate so we have more posts to look back at later. Just throwing 1 vote on someone doesn't mean I want them lynched, especially not on day 1. Same thing for Kmacc, being the 4th person on that bandwagon was a little suspicious (as many people are pointing out, that quick Flo bandwagon would have been a very easy way for mafia to slip in with an easy town lynch), so I just wanted him to post some more, and I knew he would respond. I agree with everything Kmacc said in his last post, btw. Unvote As for Flo, he was annoying and it was very early when I voted for him. We were still in the random joke vote phase. I unvoted because all of a sudden 3 other people were on him, and I didn't want any more people on it. Pretty simple, you should have been able to reason that one out yourselves. People keep complaining that there's no activity, I try to spark some, and everyone finds me suspicious for disturbing the peace with votes they don't like. You can go ahead and vote for Math evenutally, he's the best choice for today's lynch from what we have so far, but it's pretty obvious he doesn't care and won't respond to votes, so what's the point of voting him so far before the day ends? If we just vote him off with no other talking, then we have nothing to work with on day 2. Vote: Syzygy You haven't said anything since the first page. What do you think about the stuff that's happened since then? Every game you slide by barely saying anything, I want to hear more from you this game. Do you think the Jabes or karterfreak's posts were suspicious? Who do you want to vote off today? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Syzygy on 05/24/09 at 11:53:37 I don't barely say anything, I just post if I feel I can give some input. Most people try to subtly make it out like they are dishing out hints to keep off the suspect radar. It's only day 1, it's hard to draw accurate conclusions. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 11:56:58 0A0F080E0E1917091308020F0E05600 wrote:
I won't even try to make a proper response, due to the stupidity and lack of reasoning here. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 12:07:15 To be quite honest I am not sure which way town needs to move forward from here. Should we just go for someone obviously weak like math or flo, or take a stab at something bigger, like honko for example? [smiley=happy.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Padzup on 05/24/09 at 12:19:03 SuperYoshi: 5C6D6876797C0C0 wrote:
::) I'd say there is at least one vig in this game especially given the number of people playing. Most closed games tend to have a greater number of power roles in general and vig is par for the course. Matt, your arguments so far have been either weak as all hell or have just been repeats of what Honko and Etch have said. 4D475452435479405443474D260 wrote:
Actually it's identical to his style from last game. He's trying to bait mafia and you fell for it. And otherwise you pretty much said exactly what Etch did. 4D475452435479405443474D260 wrote:
You were mafia too, you knew exactly what you were getting into. Defending him was a retarded move ::) Don't pretend that you're a victim for making a stupid decision last game. You say it as if you weren't mafia; wouldn't it have been smarter to just say that being mafia last game was irrelevant? 4D475452435479405443474D260 wrote:
Really? 'Saying something suspicious' is your best argument? At least try to come up with something that sounds reasonable. They are the three easiest people to jump on right now given that half of us want Math gone and the other two are under the spotlight. What I find funny is that you say both Jabes and Honko are suspect even though they're pretty much on completely different sides so far. That's a pretty safe route to take since if either turn out mafia you can say "oh well at least i got one!" if you're still around by then. You seem to be pretty against Honko, at least moreso than Jabes. Which is odd given that you didn't really rail on him much until Etch tore him part; looks to me like you're trying to side with Etch for some reason. Don't forget that he found your arguments weak as well. Jabes is convenient as well but you didn't actually say why you found him suspect. And try something more convincing than 'well everything has been said about him already so too bad i guess' since that isn't really the case. You've been on the defensive so far, just like last game and opposite to your style as town. This got you lynched last game. If you want to stay around I'd advise that you try to make some observations for yourself and not just try to squeak by copying other peoples' arguments. 4D475452435479405443474D260 wrote:
Sounds pretty much exactly like what you said around this point last game huh! Seems like you've already made up your mind on who you want gone and are just waiting to see whichever vote would go over better with town. Tim: that counts as sliding by. You didn't even try to answer his questions. And the point isn't necessarily to be accurate but rather to just get some kind of information that can be used later in the game. At the very least I hope you try a bit harder from this point. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Johnny Wishbone on 05/24/09 at 12:19:38 Lack of reasoning? Son, you don't even know the half of it. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Darius on 05/24/09 at 12:20:45 Shouldn't you go for whoever you find suspicious? 'Taking a stab' at someone sounds pretty random to me. I know there hasn't been loads of content thus far but there have still been several things that people have picked up on. Howes: you haven't even analysed, let alone deeply. Your one attempt at a finger of suspicion was on MVT, and that was because you didn't read his post properly. Even if things aren't as clear on Day 1, we can still learn a lot from it later in the game. Who are your top suspects at the moment? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/24/09 at 12:37:23 My thoughts... Flo is either a smart mafia or town, based on his first post. 330817000D50585850610 wrote:
If he is mafia, he already knows how many town there are, so all he would gain would be the power roles. Asking this would benefit the town so much more, as it would let them know which power roles are in the game, how many mafias there are, and it would help a lot. Flo is definitely town. @Padzup- I think you are getting the last two games mixed up. When Flo was mafia, I'm pretty sure Matt was the cop, but last game, Matt was mafia, and Flo wasn't in the game. I'll post more later, have to go out w/ family. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by karterfreak on 05/24/09 at 12:46:49 5F6E6B757A7F0F0 wrote:
Kinda hard to make something new out of what's already been said. I would have said the same thing regardless, but that's not exactly easy when I have a limit on my internet that turns it off about an hour when I get back from work, now is it? 5F6E6B757A7F0F0 wrote:
I'm town, so his mafia bait isn't working that well. I already explained why I haven't said anything new. Everything that needs to be said, has been said. I did however bring up Honko, so I'm at least contributing my opinion. 5F6E6B757A7F0F0 wrote:
You were mafia too, you knew exactly what you were getting into. Defending him was a retarded move ::) Don't pretend that you're a victim for making a stupid decision last game. You say it as if you weren't mafia; wouldn't it have been smarter to just say that being mafia last game was irrelevant?[/quote] I think you're mixing up two completely different games. I was the cop in the game I defended flo, I was mafia in the game where I defended Howes (which put me in a bad place for how badly I defended him). Either way, if you bothered to read last game, you would have known that I would have defended Howes even if I was town, for the same reason I defended flo when I was cop, it seemed like too stupid of a move for a mafia to make. 5F6E6B757A7F0F0 wrote:
Honko is suspicious for reasons Etch already said, there's no point in me rephrasing it in another way, because Etch already made his point valid. Jabes is suspicious for the exact reason Darius posted a couple posts ago. Yet again, I won't rephrase it because Darius already made the point quite clear. Math, like everyone has pointed out, hasn't contributed anything except for a oneliner insult. Why wouldn't I be suspicious of him? Nobody else is even remotely suspicious, so there's no point calling them out until they've done something suspicious. 5F6E6B757A7F0F0 wrote:
The reason that I wasn't defensive in the games that I was town was because I wasn't being accused of anything, and I had more time on my hands, so I had more time to think out my posts. 5F6E6B757A7F0F0 wrote:
Sounds pretty much exactly like what you said around this point last game huh! Seems like you've already made up your mind on who you want gone and are just waiting to see whichever vote would go over better with town.[/quote] Or, you know, I might just not know who I consider more suspicious at this time. Hell, if I voted for math, you'd be jumping on me for that too, so its not like it makes a difference whether I vote or not. I have to go to work now, I'll be back around 8:40PM EST |
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Title: Re: Mafia: I am lazy edition. [Day 1] Post by Etch on 05/24/09 at 13:02:31 Look at it this way. If I just sat here and said nothing Honko and Padzup I wouldn't have got you guys to say something. :) 684D5E45595F2C0 wrote:
If one of the inactive players are mafia, how are we ever going to find out? Don't tell me that is not a possibility. 6C47405C412E0 wrote:
Nah, instead of making a hundred bullshit posts I maxed out the character limit. There is a difference between text and a quote box but in a game like this, actual analysis is helpful in trying to figure out who is who. I got some people to explain their actions, that's all I wanted. You and Padzup gave some nice responses so I am satisfied with what I read so far. Sometimes you have to push people's buttons to learn something about them. This is when people usually make mistakes. I already made up my mind. At least a few members of the mafia have posted so far but most people claim they are a townie. Stirring up trouble and looking for someone to blame isn't the most exact way to determine who a mafia member is but on day one we just need a good patsy or a sure bet on who to lynch so we at least learn something from it. This early in the game, I don't understand why some people are so defensive. Maybe it's because they have a role power for town or the fact they are mafia. Not everyone who has played this game in the past has used their roles wisely which does make it harder to determine if it's a town or mafia player. I still say these useless one line posters, new guys, and completely useless players are best choices for a lynch if we want to learn something. Going on a witch hunt gets us no where and since we have little intuition to what some people are really saying, it's guessing at best. Lynching karterfreak and him being mafia would make Padzup look genius. ;D |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 13:07:46 I am very interested to see your vote today Etch. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Padzup on 05/24/09 at 13:16:01 Don't know how I got that mixed up :-/ Sorry. Fair enough I suppose, I don't want to drag this out too much and you won't be back for a while anyway. Just a reminder: we have less than 24 hours to come to some kind of decision on who to lynch. Math needs to post some more so we have some kind of clue whether he's going to start contributing at all. e: didn't see etch's post when posting this. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 13:25:15 We shouldn't even vote for pobre and bbx. They should just be modkilled at the end of the day. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Etch on 05/24/09 at 13:33:15 If you are mafia, it's not like you have to log in or even post technically. It's possible they don't know the game has started or are just discussing what to do elsewhere. They are not doing the town any good so what reason is there to keep them otherwise? Who knows, we might get lucky. It's not like me to strike down Pobre but his absence is very peculiar. [smiley=ninja.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Jabes on 05/24/09 at 13:59:04 Is the only reason why i sounded suspicious was because i admitted that i didnt know i was in the game until the time i first posted? Also, someone said that my post about me asking if i should vote for etch or not was a terrible post. How else do you get someone to talk in a mafia game? I wanted to hear from etch, so i said, "so, should i vote for you, etch?" Then he spoke. Mission: accomplished. Keep your suspicion on me, thats fine, ill keep defending myself with no problem... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/24/09 at 14:54:07 Until BB-X actually says something, then i'm going to keep my vote on him. I'd like to know why Pobre hasn't been posting. I think that there has to be a good reason. Maybe Ivo made up some role of being a mute or something. I don't know. Darius seems the most suspicious to me. It's nothing specific that he has said. It's just a feeling. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Borgeman on 05/24/09 at 15:18:06 5E045F5D575F550101340 wrote:
*ponders* since the mafia know each other, if one of the inactive players was mafia and we put votes on them (say pobre for eg), one would think there may be some move by one/some/all of the other mafia to persuade votes onto another player, as the inactive player cant defend themselves, which could be of help...... tht is of course one of the inactives are mafia of course ::) it could also cause that player to suddenly spit some posts out because the heat is on him.... still sticking with math tho, still hasnt given me reason to change votes with time on the clock George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 15:19:40 sportsguy bbx is going to be modkilled probably anyways so why vote for him? it is a waste. (WAITING FOR IVO APPROVAL AND WORD) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 15:20:33 borgeman that concept would work if there was no such thing as modkilling. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Kmacc on 05/24/09 at 15:24:55 George's post after Etch's first post earlier bothers me a bit. He of course must have read what Etch wrote, and when people do this and go along just by saying "yes, agreed, etc.", it usually means that they are mafia trying to jump on the ideas of someone pouring out good ideas. It wouldn't matter whether Etch was mafia or town, it still makes George saying this look bad. Even if you are townie, there's no reason to post saying that you just agree. May as well use your post to point something else out as well. If you don't agree then post against it. If you do agree, no need to post saying you do, I'm sure a lot of people might feel the same as Etch without stating so. 446172697573000 wrote:
If a person is inactive, they aren't helping out town, just as people spamming or posting useless one-liners aren't helping out. It may not mean it's the best choice, but voting someone out who's not even participating isn't a bad thing either. If they aren't going to post then they are useless, power role or not. Speaking of non-posting, I'm still shocked Pobre has yet to show around. He hasn't even been on the forums since before the game started, so it isn't like he is trying to hide being mafia, because he wouldn't have even read the PM yet.. Unless he was mafia and another mafia informed him on aim or something.. 5C6D64645C69646D080 wrote:
Definitely going for a more useless player is a better option. Even if Honko turned out to be mafia, he is posting a lot and bringing some information out of people. If he is mafia, him doing this is still helping us out more than Flo or Math are while being townies. Another example of this is Matt. Matt so far has been controversial and suspicious to a few it seems, but he is also saying a lot. So if he was mafia, him saying a lot will either bring out some info, or maybe he'll just slip up. 7140494971444940250 wrote:
I know it's annoying that they aren't posting. However, if your idea of modkilling them did go through and they were both townie, you wouldn't be looking too good. A little weird and suspicious that you'd want them modkilled though. Killing one useless person on Day 1 is okay, but killing three useless people on Day 1 would put town in a big hole if they all ended up townies. Pushing for a modkill so much makes you look super suspicious if they aren't mafia. And if at least one is, then you just look lucky. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/24/09 at 15:32:50 0B3A33330B3E333A5F0 wrote:
I'm not so sure IVO would modkill an inactive player because the mafia could have the power to silence someone. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 15:36:36 I am not trying to push for a modkill of them both yet. I really would like to get ivo, the guy in charges opinion and how we can fairly go about dealing with this. edit - and by the way pobre has not even been on AIM for a while either ! Very wierd. edit 2 - this post was directed towards kmacc |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Kmacc on 05/24/09 at 15:38:34 If the people are going to be inactive, modkilling isn't the way to go. If anything, Ivo's best bet would be to see if anyone would like to replace them. If he can't find anyone, then he may just have to leave them in the game. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Honko on 05/24/09 at 15:59:48 How long do we have left? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Kmacc on 05/24/09 at 16:08:34 @Honko: I think just a bit above 24 hours now. And to make this post a little bit more productive.. Vote Count 5 - Andrew Math - (Borgeman, Extol, Howes, KoopZ, MVT) 2 - Superyoshi - (Flo1, Syzygy) 2 - BB-X - (Sportsguy, Superyoshi) 1 - Borgeman (Math) 1 - MVT (oneshot) 1 - Syzygy - (Honko) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by KoopZ on 05/24/09 at 16:15:34 still not much going on here. i dont really have much to say except that i have been reading and my thoughts on things as i posted them before still stand. will have to reread some of the longer posts to give more input there but i dont have time for that now. will prolly post more tomorrow. hopefully before the day ends. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Borgeman on 05/24/09 at 16:16:45 6A6C606262010 wrote:
[smiley=ninja.gif] that line was more in reference to the size of the post, due to the fact that it has been a quiet game compared to the last few George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/24/09 at 16:55:47 Meh, some people haven't posted still... wtf :-/ A replacement would be a good option for them if we could find guys for it, it's better than modkilling since it doesn't brake the game... Unvote Outside of those inactive, I'm tempted to vote Math like many people here. Better get rid of useless players at the beginning than trying to catch a bigger fish amongst the active players since it's usually risky... and we don't have enough revelant clues for day 1. Some reasonings from Etch for Padzup for example are not bad, but those suspicions are not enough to prove that the suspected players could be maf at this point of the game, as they are mostly based on behaviours from previous mafia games. Going to bed. I hope the day won't be done when I'll wake up tomorrow... I would like to take part at the end of the day... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/24/09 at 17:15:28 Going post by post right now... Jabes' post is very suspicious due to the wording, but we could just be reading too much into it. If he wanted to know if Etch was in the game, he could have just looked at the first post... All the votes for Flo are kind of odd, people mostly think he is a hindrance more than anything else. Some of the reasons given are interesting though, and could be useful later in the game. This sentence in particular strikes me as odd: 7140494971444940250 wrote:
Please keep statistics out of this one, they just tend to confuse everyone. Besides, we don't have any data to base these so-called statistics off of. Do you know more than you are letting on? Also: What power role exactly do you have, Clark? ;) Borgeman strikes me as town... Math deserves to die whatever role he has (and if you have a power role, speak up). I hope he isn't a jester or something :-/ I think I see where my second post was going- it was aimed at this post: 7140494971444940250 wrote:
Maybe I should read the whole topic over every time before I post, I seem to be going back on myself quite often :-X Maybe someone should vote for Pobre, that might bring him out... MVT isn't really posting anything helpful, just trying to bail himself out. Etch's post really helps to decipher things... but what's with the last sentences? 306A313339313B6F6F5A0 wrote:
WTF oneshot, post something useful for once. You're almost as bad as Math. Matt, you seem to be obviously playing it safe. Robin makes sense, Tim and Mickael only seem to have eyes for each other, MVT seems to be trying to direct town again. Kmacc seems safe for now. So Sportsguy, which of the inactive posters are mafia? 52716E737572667478313130010 wrote:
Even if the mafia had a silencer, they would be unable to silence anyone because we haven't had a night phase yet. Mafia excuses much? Koopz seems to be just slipping though without much suspicion, either on or from him. And that is the whole topic. Fingers of Suspicion pointing toward: Jabes, Karterfreak, Sportsguy, MVT, AlexPenev (for suggesting modkilling inactive players (jk)) Etch is in between atm, I just get a weird feeling that mafia is analyzing for us... Enough analysis for you? :D |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 17:25:57 5F717B6D7A6840527E6B771F0 wrote:
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You Jew. [smiley=thumbdown.gif][/quote] 0D23293F283A12002C39254D0 wrote:
Analyze these posts why don't you Howes. You are all over the place with your analysis. Reading it makes me want to have a spazz attack. Try to analyze these awesome informative and useful posts by math. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/24/09 at 17:54:06 Quote:
It's called stream-of-consciousness. I was quite literally flipping between tabs reading everything, and posting my thoughts as I went. Forgot to mention that Matt is thinking along just about the same lines as I am, so I hope he is town. Forget Math, you are more useless. Why don't you try to analyze something? unvote Vote: MVT |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Kmacc on 05/24/09 at 18:04:05 You two are both analyzing more than some others, so no need to fight. It would be stupid if you both are townies just arguing against each other for no reason, and it wouldn't be the first time this has happened for sure. If you guys lose your heads now, how are you going to hold together later to help town win? :-? By the way, anyone else notice Cooper's posting? He's been mostly either saying that it's too inactive here, or repeating what others have said. I know the game started inactive, but more has come up today in terms of bigger posts with more analysis. He says he is going to re-read them, but I would think he would be able to add just a little to his last post, rather than basically get an extra post to make it seem like he's a bit more active. vote: Cooper I'd like to know what's your take on some of the bigger analysis posts so far, and any leads you may have, rather than just agreeing or blaming inactivity for lack of in-depth posts. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Etch on 05/24/09 at 18:35:16 @Howes - It's hard to be certain who is mafia or not at first so killing a potentially useless player and interpreting voting patterns from that day at least help the town out with no real lost. I think calling out someone as mafia is kind of risky and if we lynch them and are town that will raise a lot of questions. Last thing we want to do is confuse the town more. There are a few completely inactive players so it's not like we are hurting ourselves by getting rid of them. @Kmacc - I'm sure the glib posters will be next on the list but don't forget a town power role player may also try and stay below the radar. Too early to call anyone out so kill the totally inactive or useless peeps first. Can't risk sending the town into a self destruction frenzy if someone is wrong. Yea, too many people went silent as of lately. [smiley=happy.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 18:44:23 4F43564A4F43455751121115220 wrote:
where the hell is that quoted from? If you made that up in a quote it is really annoying to do such a thing. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Honko on 05/24/09 at 18:46:07 It's from his long post. Right above the part where he quoted you. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Jabes on 05/24/09 at 20:04:07 Alright, last post before Memorial Day, so I won't be around much at all, as least not as much as I have been, which has been admittedly low due to a fairly busy weekend. As per my usual way of playing the game, I don't go out on limbs very much in the early phases. Some people suspect me, and that's fine, but I don't really have any clear suspicion toward anyone else. I have my doubts about Darius and Howes, but that's mainly because of their suspicion of me, and I admit to my being biased on the matter... Honko has always been quick to put pressure on people, so this isn't anything new to me. I think with a little more time (albeit limited before the day's end) will be beneficial for everyone, granted that the pace picks up a little more... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/24/09 at 21:28:07 Every game I have ever played in people attack me viciously on the first day and nearly vote me off. It looks like Howes wants to go that same route once more. Sorry if my style is suspicious, but yet again I can assure you I am not mafia. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by KoopZ on 05/25/09 at 00:42:57 7E78747676150 wrote:
firstly, that last post i made was simply to let people know that i am still here and active and reading and such. i dont wanna go too long without making a post for fear that i will seem inactive and/or uncaring. also when i do post, i dont think about that stats page that lacey made, i post simply when i have something i want to share with the town, be it my thoughts on certain people or just to let them know that i'm still here. my personal suspicions right now lie with etch and jabes. for jabes, that post of his where he asked etch if he should vote for him or not, that came off to me as a mafia bantering with another fellow mafia. just my initial thoughts of course, but it still struck me as suspicious. for etch, he stays silent for a couple of pages and then makes one massively large post. now yes, he's got some good reasonings in there (doesnt he always?), but that goes against his previous posting habits in other games, as honko has already pointed out. he's made a couple more posts that are more like how he normally posts, but that first one really stood out to me as something that didnt seem right. i'm voting for math though cuz of 3 completely useless posts, and then he's vanished ever since then. other possible votes from me right now are oneshot (lack of useful contribution), jeff (inactive thus far) and BB-X (inactive thus far), but my current vote on andrew will stand until i believe it will aid the town more to vote for someone else. hope that satisfies you kmacc? anything else i would have to say at this point is purely guesswork that, unless you or someone else wants to hear it, i'm going to keep to myself for the time being. i'm off to bed now. i think i'm going to miss the end of the day, but i'm going to keep my vote on andrew like i said. good luck with the lynch town! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Darius on 05/25/09 at 02:52:47 Etch and Kmacc: I don't see how Sportsguy's vote is a good vote because it wasn't made due to BB-X's inactivity. Yes, we want to encourage inactive people to participate. What I'm saying is that Sportsguy didn't place the vote for that reason, or if he did, he never said he did. I find it unlikely because it was still relatively early in the game and BB-X's inactivity wasn't yet apparent. It's a good vote from the perspective that it puts pressure on an inactive player, but it wasn't made with that reasoning and so that was what I was disputing. Howes: rolefishing much? Your Clark one is more jokey but followed by a request to hear Math's role too, it seems much more suspicious to me. No-one should claim unless absolutely forced to, usually at L-1. We're a long way off from that. 4760677D6C67636659667E6C7B090 wrote:
No, you said: 1A3D3A20313A3E3B043B233126540 wrote:
Etch obviously has to post something to even answer that question, which was why I said it didn't make sense. Saying 'I'd like to know what Etch has to say about it' was enough. It read strangely to me and when I've read your posts in previous games they usually make a lot of sense, so it jumped out at me. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Ivootjes on 05/25/09 at 03:25:00 12 hours remaining Edit: FUCK, this was my 1000th post but didn't notice |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/25/09 at 04:22:16 @Darius- I'm not really looking for people's roles. I'm pretty sure Clark would know better than to do that on Day 1, but Math hasn't played the game before, and we wouldn't want the cop to be lynched by the town the first day. As a town, we need to figure out what to do in these last 12 hours. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/25/09 at 06:50:00 34382D3134383E2C2A696A6E590 wrote:
Howes I am really starting to have a hard time with you. You are a walking breathing contradiction of yourself with every word you type. In your latest post (reply #103) you say you find people suspicious for wanting to have the inactives modkilled. It just doesnt make sense. Why the sudden tremendous change of heart between those 2 posts? Also, in this post you criticize those players who are trying to deeply analyzing the game and say they shouldn't do it unless they have some special power. Promptly you go ahead and base your whole vote on me for not analyzing enough..(reply 105)!!! Are you really that confused man? If you dont clean up your story in the next day of this game I wont hesitate to bandwagon or start a witch hunt against you. You are either an absolutely pathetic townie, or a mafia who is blatantly trying to contradict himself to confuse the town. I am "analyzing" the best I can at this point. I know the same thing as almost everyone else here...very little. But the bs contradictions from you, howes, have to stop now edit - added "(reply 105)" in reference to the sentence that comes before it |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Borgeman on 05/25/09 at 06:53:00 well im going to bed, and unless i get up early (unlikely) my vote will stay with math - he has done zilch to contribute anyway..... George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Kmacc on 05/25/09 at 07:26:22 Good to hear some stuff from you Koopz. unvote Still yet to be any big leads coming up. So unless something drastically changes, this is my final vote of the day. Vote: Math Completely useless. I don't understand why he even signed up. Others have been inactive too, but at least not spamming. If he gets lynched and he's a town power role then he is extremely stupid. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/25/09 at 07:35:41 unvote Vote: Math |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Darius on 05/25/09 at 07:47:35 Is that you figuring out what to do, Howes? Do you just want to get rid of Math as quick as we can so we can go into Day 2? Extol is someone on my lurking list who hasn't been mentioned much. Two posts, very little content and nothing at all for over 36 hours. Do you stand by your vote for Math, Extol? Anyone else standing out for you as suspicious? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Extol on 05/25/09 at 08:09:32 yeah, i've been lurking a bit, ive been reading the topic but i haven't had much time to post thoughts so far. as for who is suspicious so far, Howes is one that stands out to me for two reasons. 4C4055494C40465452111216210 wrote:
First, to me the first sentence looks like a cover-up for a mistake that he made already in trying to get roles. that may be honest, but it just comes off to me as trying to cover something up. The second reason is based on the last sentence, and this doesn't apply to just Howes, others have used it too. When mafia is trying to cover themselves, they a repeatedly try to associate themselves with "the town" to make people believe they're on the good side. I know i used this tactic in the past when i was mafia, so we should be able to tell that somethings up if someone overuses this. Again, its not just Howes that has used this so far, he is just the most recent. Other people that need to do something: Flo hasnt posted in quite a while, wonder whats going on there same with Syzygy, hes only got a few posts, so i'd like to hear a bit more Pobre hasn't posted, but he's Pobre, so you can't say anything about that. And who is BB-X? anybody know? For now, my vote stays on Math, because he really shouldn't be in the game. He's just frustrating everyone it seems, so i think he should be lynched. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/25/09 at 08:10:57 5C5045595C50564442010206310 wrote:
way to dodge the criticism |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/25/09 at 08:35:46 Flo hasn't been posting for a while, tha's pretty weird from him. Is he busy or is he hiding something to use ? Also MVT why have you tried to defend him earlier ? Apart from that, I don't have any strongs suspicions for this day, although Howes's way of posting seems weird. Why asking that early for role claims ? Was it a way to collect infos for mafia ? Anyway, my vote would go for Math, everyone want him gone anyway and he is worse than anyone else here, no matter in which team he is... How many votes are needed again for Math's lynch ? I don't want to be the one that end up the day... :-X |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Jabes on 05/25/09 at 09:13:57 I can see why you'd think my post about Etch was suspicious in retrospect, and I'm sorry if my posts this game aren't making more sense than usual. I have to admit that I haven't really been able to devote much time to this game primarily because of the time in which it started (Memorial Day weekend, which is a busy weekend for many Americans). I'm still thinking that Howes is just asking to be voted, due to his lack of reasoning and his bandwagon voting. That being said, it's time for some bandwagon voting by me. Vote: Math I don't like the idea of having to jump on the bandwagon, but what all the voters have said about him has been proven too many times, so it's hard not to vote for him as well. I'd like to see some more out of Howes, and if I don't, I'm going to stick to my suspicion against him, and would hope that others do the same. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by MVT on 05/25/09 at 09:41:38 how many votes more are needed? According to mafia.cgi Math has 7 votes |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Howes on 05/25/09 at 09:50:11 This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I think it's necessary right now. http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/7/4/633507897253811270-Dr.-Gregory-House-t2.jpg (http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=920) I am a normal townie. My goal is only to lynch the mafia during the day, and to not die during the night. If you have a problem with that, kill me tonight, and see how that works out for you. I think I've made who I suspect clear enough, even if my posting style is unorthodox. If my posts don't match up from one to another, it's because either a) I thought better of what I said in the first one, and I'm not allowed to change it; b) I can't remember what my mindset was at the time of posting, and it's useless to think about it because I'm on another train of thought; or c) I didn't take the time to look at my old posts to see if they contradict one another. I'm getting pretty ****ing tired of people having issues with my posting style, so if you don't like it, suck it up. I'm not planning on changing it. On asking for roleclaims: Again, Math is an idiot. He probably won't be on before the day is over, in which case he deserves to die. It would be nice to see his role before he is dead, especially if he is a town power. Asking for Clark's role was a joke. When I voted for Math, I didn't want to continue the confrontation with MVT, but apparently, he wanted to continue it. Pushing for another person's lynch while another lynch is going on is my style from previous games, but it is largely ineffective, which is why I abandoned it during this game. Extol, you are overanalyzing. You are now on my suspect list. I called for us to work "as a town" to figure out what to do because I am a member of the town, as is everyone else, even if other people are mafia-aligned. I think that about covers everything. I will be here for about an hour more, then I am going to see Star Trek with my family, and I have to work on a massive English project that is due Friday. I may or may not be able to answer your questions in that time, but I will try to be around for the end of the day around 7:25 PM EST. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Darius on 05/25/09 at 10:44:11 Howes, there was absolutely no need to do that. If you're town, you've just gone and helped the mafia. You can't just avoid suspicion by ignoring people who suspect you, that's going to make them think you're more suspicious. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Flo1 on 05/25/09 at 11:17:15 Sorry guys but I was and I'm still very busy atm because I have to pass my exams tomorrow to get what you call an A level and called in France: Baccalaureat... I took a bit of time today, because I finished to revise all my lessons, to read some of the last posts (sorry, but I didn't have the time to read the 2 or 3 first pages)... and I saw this post from Howes: 6A66736F6A66607274373430070 wrote:
If you want to know my opinion, this was exactly the strat Extol used to proove he wasn't mafia on the last game whereas he actually was. So Howes must lie imo. BTW, I'm a townie and I can swear it. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Flo1 on 05/25/09 at 11:19:16 Oh I forgot to put my conclusion on my last post and because I can't edit it, I have to write an other post. Unvote Vote: Howes |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Etch on 05/25/09 at 12:09:52 Howes is getting pretty defensive. :) Me thinks he is town because he is finding it futile to take any heat off himself. With Math probably getting the day lynch, I don't see why some people here see Howes as a threat after the first day. It's not like Howes is on the chopping block yet he feels the need to assert himself as a townie because stupid townies or mafia see him as an easy target for the town to lynch. Unless he has some super awesome power for the mafia or town, he wouldn't try this hard to convince us otherwise. If an important member of the mafia had the most votes at this point, then seeing Howes act like this would be very suspicious. He was mafia in the past games so his poor play style as some of you are calling it is a good enough reason to kill him? I don't think there are enough active people to change the majority vote over to Howes now so what real purpose is this serving? Wouldn't be the first time town killed itself thanks to retarded people. I say this is jumping the gun for now. Since we still have no reason to not vote Math off, might as well go ahead with it. We don't know what kind of roles there are so I don't know if being silent or whatever is actually a valid strat here but from the way this topic has developed, mafia is making themselves slowly known. Vote: Math |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Padzup on 05/25/09 at 12:26:24 717D6874717D7B696F2C2F2B1C0 wrote:
Again you're trying to associate yourself with town. If you don't want to stop then all you're doing is arousing suspicion so there's no point to it unless for some reason you couldn't post without doing so. If Math is going to be lynched if we don't know his role then it isn't going to matter what his role is since a roleclaim would render any powers useless (if he were town). However if Math is mafia then he'd be safe for the night since no vig would risk killing a town power and obviously mafia wouldn't do it. And in the morning when he wasn't dead mafia could say something along the lines of "oh, I guess he was protected then" and carry on for another day or two in the same fashion. Given that there has been some initial resistance to vote Math he would likely have some kind of mafia power that the others don't want to lose right off the bat. Also, in the case that he's lying about his role, the real town power would have to step in and claim, losing his role. In short Math claiming would only really benefit mafia even if Math were town. Howes is most likely trying to give him an out while seeming to have good intentions. That said, I think Math is essential to keep around if town can risk keeping a potential mafia power alive simply to garner a reaction from the rest of mafia (in all honesty there would be no way to properly orchestrate this without a mason so consider this a moot point). From the sounds of it, his role is pretty important so it's possible that other mafia might go as far as to throw themselves under the bus to save him. However it should be noted that if they consider his role to be that important it may be a better idea to simply lynch Math and be done with it. And Howes' claim is fake, not to mention unbelievably unnecessary. Would a vanilla really feel that he was at risk of being lynched with no votes on him at all? He could have at least waited until Day 2. Even worse than my claim last game. Most of his post is just reiteration so I'll get straight to what he's said that is actually new: 74786D7174787E6C6A292A2E190 wrote:
This was your style while you were mafia. But according to you, you abandoned it not because you are town but because it didn't work as a mafia. Given that you were so defensive of your posting style just a few paragraphs ago I'm unsure why you would be so quick to throw that away. And you unvoted Math and went for MVT just as Math was gaining steam. Isn't that doing exactly what you just said you haven't been? 74786D7174787E6C6A292A2E190 wrote:
As for Extol: his point is absolutely valid. Darius did this last game as well and nearly every mafia has done this at one point. Funny how when anyone makes an observation of some sort that you don't like, you jump on them and say they are overanalyzing or looking too much into it. That was a really great way to pretend to be town without actually saying so, Howes. You are saying that you are technically part of the town, as is mafia; but at no point did you suggest that you weren't mafia-aligned. And the point is not to work with the mafia unless that is part of your strat (it doesn't seem to be in your case). This could simply be semantic and as such I'm not going to go into this statement further but something really seems off about this. Etch: on the contrary, if anything being overly defensive is a sign of being a paranoid mafia. No vanilla would try to defend himself so much when Math is about to be lynched. Even as a mafia it would be a terrible move but it simply doesn't make sense for a town player to do something like that. You seem to be brushing it off like it's nothing but you forget the severity of something like a vanilla roleclaim in a closed game. If Howes is not lying then mafia's list of possible powers has been narrowed down. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Etch on 05/25/09 at 12:42:02 That's what I am suggesting. Some people are stupid enough that they would rather live farther into the game than ensure town has a good chance of winning. There are a lot of ways to interpret why Howes went overboard but I can't rule out the chance it's just a ploy to direct attention to himself or away from others. Math already had the most votes so I don't know why Howes would start acting all paranoid. Maybe Howes is a no role mafia and would rather throw himself down or knows something about Math we don't as the town. If Howes is town, I don't know what he is thinking besides the fact he does not want to see town lynch him later. The circumstances are very strange and you did a good job pointing those out too Padzup. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Darius on 05/25/09 at 12:52:35 It's pretty obvious that Math is going to get lynched now. I think we've got some useful information from the Howes situation, both from himself and the responses to it. I'll follow that up in more detail on Day 2 because I won't be on again before the deadline, so for now: Vote: Math |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by %hat on 05/25/09 at 13:06:50 Jesus Christ, that was alot to read. Im ready to pass out now, so im gonna just post my vote and say its pretty much based on the reasons already stated. vote: Math |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/25/09 at 14:15:54 Unvote Vote Math This should be the 11th vote and a majority. I don't see the point of prolonging the day any longer. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/25/09 at 14:42:57 Well... the day was almost done anyway, and Math is the best choice for this day, so let's lock this. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Honko on 05/25/09 at 14:47:33 It's probably better not to lock it, since Ivo can't unlock it himself to post the end of day. Just everybody don't post. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Padzup on 05/25/09 at 14:50:57 heres a post! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Ivootjes on 05/25/09 at 16:00:28 Yo dudes! here i am to end the day ::) Or it basicly ended itself already. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Padzup on 05/25/09 at 16:01:07 You Jew. [smiley=thumbdown.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Padzup on 05/25/09 at 16:01:49 vote ivootjes |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Ivootjes on 05/25/09 at 16:04:56 Math was the noub of the group Andrew Math has died, he was just a regular townie. A mod can close this and open in 24 hours? Edit: Wtf, how did i pass 1000 posts without noticing? o_0 Took me years to get here. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/26/09 at 16:16:58 So what happened Ivo. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Ivootjes on 05/26/09 at 17:04:56 Here i am again! Everybody woke up to see two dead people! How disgusting Honko has died, he was just a regular townie Johnny wishbone aka Oneshot has died, he was a mafia goon Have fun at day 2 guys! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/26/09 at 17:07:37 Any ideas how One shot died? I'm guessing vigilante, but maybe there's another way. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/26/09 at 17:11:37 Voting history is interesting for the two that died. 10 votes needed to lynch, right? Anyone else seeing Flo as mafia? Also, I'm pretty sure that vigilante is the only way that Oneshot could have died, based on his and Honko's roles, along with the roles that have been present during the last few games. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Kmacc on 05/26/09 at 17:15:00 I'm going to guess oneshot died from a vig killed who just wanted to kill him because he isn't very helpful, and it ended up being a good kill. Only a goonie but better than a townie! With Honko dead, we lose a good player, but there are surely things to be learned from this. There had to be a reason mafia chose to kill Honko when there are a couple of people who are candidates for being strong players and good choices for night one kills. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Honko on 05/26/09 at 17:15:26 haha Good luck everyone. [smiley=lurk.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/26/09 at 17:17:57 Ivo, whats the deal with BB-x and Pobre? Are you going to replace them or just let it play out. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Ivootjes on 05/26/09 at 17:24:47 I was just about to post. Sword has offered to replace someone, he'll replace one of these two (at random) unless both post within 24 hours. If both don't post i'll replace one and modkill the other this night. (or if someone else wants to join too) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Ivootjes on 05/26/09 at 17:28:58 Ok, i've got two replacements unless they post really quickly |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Jabes on 05/26/09 at 17:30:07 I find it strange that some of the same people end up being in the mafia in consecutive games, but its good to get one mafia member out early matter how he was killed. Excellent shot, vig... That being said, im sticking with my gut for day two, and my gut still says howes, but im going to need to read up a little more before i peg a vote onto him. Its just a gut feeling, however... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/26/09 at 17:44:51 My gut is saying that Flo and MVT are mafia, any other input? I apologize for my actions on Monday, I was quite frankly out of control b/c of stress and general frustration. I am a vanilla townie, just to clarify. Some points that I wasn't able to post before the end of the day: @Padzup- with regards to my voting strategy, I was referring to trying to vote for people against the popular consensus, especially in Girl Mafia, where I attempted to vote out MVT and Sword on two separate occasions. When I said that I was abandoning that strategy this game, I was referring to abandoning it as of my last post, where I changed vote to Math instead of pursuing MVT farther. Now I have a question for you. What do you have to say now that we know that Math wasn't mafia? I noticed that several of your assumptions about my "guilt" hinged on the fact that I was protecting a "fellow Mafia member," even though I was voting for him and he wasn't mafia. Can you please explain? I don't plan to hastily vote today; I want to see what other people think. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Jabes on 05/26/09 at 17:50:36 I dont know how i feel towards mvt. Hes on my list, as with a couple others that will remain nameless for the time being. Imin the process of a reread, so itll be some time... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Jabes on 05/26/09 at 18:06:48 Ok, after rereading up to page 6, howes has gone slightly down on my list, and borgeman has gone up. I singled him out because of a phase of voting and reasoning that was making fairly good progress, with an interjection by him leading in an entirely different tangent. Not to say that going in different tangents is a bad idea, i just noticed that he didnt have a reason for doing so (a reason for us to not go in the direction we would inevitably go). Right now im cautious of darius, mvt, howes, and borgeman. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Borgeman on 05/26/09 at 18:25:36 im suspicious - ooh yeah [smiley=uzi.gif] could you quote my interjection, im not 100% what you are referring to George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/26/09 at 18:30:48 Wow honko, you surprised me, I honestly was suspicious of you ;D So, that leaves my suspicions down to Joe, with Kmacc, Koopz, Etch and Howes being on my list of people to read the posts of carefully :P Vote: Etch You're the only one other than me that was suspicious of honko, I wanna hear what you have to say now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Etch on 05/26/09 at 19:20:19 Either your intuition sucks or you are not reading all of the posts. There is a difference between confusing posting and being suspicious of someone. I had a hard time following Honko's vote pattern and reasoning. Does that mean I think he is mafia? Of course not, but town trying to confuse others is something I don't approve of. Throwing out random votes helps get things going but I did not see where that was exactly going. If a townie decides to make a random vote and it happens to be another townie, this gives the mafia a great opportunity to help vote out a townie without looking too suspicious. This is what made Math so retarded. Just because Borgeman said his post wasn't useful, he called him a jew which basically made voting against him look like a good thing. Mafia could have helped get some votes against him early without looking too suspicious and later to finish the day off. I still think the mafia's overall strat is to reduce the town to guessing since so few people are talking. I am very fearful town's effort to quickly kill people may get more townies killed which is why jumping out on a limb like that karterfreak is very bad. I don't think mafia is stupid enough to start a vote against a townie but I have been wrong before. I think that was aimed at just getting me to talk. Not sure who we should go after next but very quiet people are at the top of my list. Not because they aren't posting a lot but what they are saying or doing. Sounds like Ivootjes is replacing people so does that mean someone will get modkilled ending the day or what? If one of them is town and one of them is mafia, how will you decide who dies unless you replace both? Good chance they aren't both mafia which then tells everyone they are town which doesn't make it a very closed game then. Try and think this through before fucking with the flow of the game. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Padzup on 05/26/09 at 19:30:49 Ivo: The mafia.cgi page hasn't been updated so posts and votes from Day 2 are spilling into Day 1's stats. 6B67726E6B67617375363531060 wrote:
Yeah I'll admit I got caught up a bit in the whole "math is mafia" bit but it just seemed like an odd thing for you to do given that you had no votes on you whatsoever. And you reiterated in this post that you were a vanilla so soon after your roleclaim which was stupid in itself. Why would you want to emphasize that you are a vanilla so much this early in the game? I also didn't make that post expecting the day to end so soon after, I was trying to get a response out of you before the end of the Day. On that: I am pretty disappointed that Sportsguy ended the Day like that. There was certainly more to talk about and several people had said they would have shown up at the end. More concerning were Darius' and Clark's votes given that they basically "gave up" and voted Math because everyone else seemed to be doing so. This is the wrong attitude to have for this game especially when votes seem to be unanimous. Typically it means that mafia wants the lynch to occur since it means they buy an extra Day and if they get lucky they may also lynch a town power. Matt: Etch says he wasn't suspicious of Honko so now you are the only one to claim as such. What about you is different from Etch that somehow clears your name but not his? Etch, with Honko being the only one to really have a go at you and now being dead you have some explaining to do. I don't believe you specifically said anything toward him that was particularly alarming but that doesn't mean you're innocent. It may be possible that Honko's death was unrelated or that mafia knows that Honko's death would lead people to point fingers at you. At this point there isn't really enough information to discern either way. Keep in mind that you also voted Math. Also, since Pobre and BB-X are being replaced, they aren't going to be modkilled so the flow of the game shouldn't change much. Joe, why would your suspicion of Howes decrease after a roleclaim like that? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Etch on 05/26/09 at 19:57:21 lmao Remember, I only made comments about Honko's game play. He must have felt pissed off or something so defended his strategy. That's fine, I just wanted to see how he would respond after a shit long analysis. If a had a good feeling he was mafia, I would not have left it hanging there. Voting for Math had to do with the fact that the low activity would not allow a possible band wagon at the end of the day so he was a goner anyway. He had no power role which was one of my suspicions for his apathy. I'd rather pick off a useless n00b than risk going out on a limb saying someone is mafia first day. What makes you so innocent? ;D Oneshot's glib posts should be a sign that other mafia members are also doing the same. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/26/09 at 19:59:53 I really am starting to think that Howes might be telling the truth about him being just a townie. However he still is all over the place and giving barely any logic to his actions. Etch is standing out more and more to me though. His posts are very well written and thought out however it seems like he is being extremely cautious before he does anything. He was extremely late to get on the math bandwagon, possibly a mafia move to blend in with the crowd. It sucks to lose honko, because he always is a very good poster, but it was a good trade off to get a mafia this early. Good job to the vig who didnt let oneshot fly under the radar. My guess would be around 5 mafia left. Etch I would like to see you play more aggressive if you are town. Being too passive isn't helping. Vote: Etch |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/26/09 at 20:08:14 Quote:
Etch that REALLY makes it seem like you are trying to drive the attention away from yourself. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Etch on 05/26/09 at 20:27:49 Sigh... He is being extremely cautious before he does anything. Because town likes to kill off their own and jumping to conclusions this early on is a bad thing. He was extremely late to get on the math bandwagon, possibly a mafia move to blend in with the crowd. You didn't read anything I said. It sucks to lose honko, because he always is a very good poster, but it was a good trade off to get a mafia this early. He did a good job in the sense mafia felt he had a power role and killed him anyway. That's the best outcome for a night kill for the town. Etch I would like to see you play more aggressive if you are town. What, randomly vote for people? Worse thing town can do is lynch themselves and in the chance someone is wrong, it makes them the next target. Etch that REALLY makes it seem like you are trying to drive the attention away from yourself. What, trying to clue people into the fact some people are doing nothing? This game is about patterns. It's hilarious you guys are ignoring the other players even though they have made little to no effort in trying to figure out who the mafia is. There were a lot of other people who voted for Math. I still think the votes on me are aimed at getting me to talk but I still think the silent players who only show up to vote or just say a few things are our best bet to lynch. I've said quite a lot so far so if you are unsure to what I am thinking, maybe you just want me dead. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/26/09 at 20:29:53 unvote Etch: Yeah, I only wanted you to talk a bit, I'm basically focusing on specific people who voted for Math for various reasons. Padzup: In all honesty, I have nothing I can say to truly defend myself. I didn't vote for Math however, like most people did, and he was town. That's all I really got going for me right now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/26/09 at 20:55:51 ^ that was quick |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/26/09 at 21:14:17 ^ That was obvious, and he posted while I was typing. Anyways, I'm going for a gut feeling on this for now, but I think I trust Etch. Unless something happens to make me think otherwise. Besides, if I'm wrong, I can learn a lot from his voting patterns later in the game, assuming I'm still alive. Vote: MVT Considering you're so eager to talk, why don't you give me a reason I shouldn't vote for you :D Going to go sleep now ;) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/26/09 at 22:24:24 Why shouldn't you vote for me huh? First off, I am a town player, simple enough. Now I only voted for Etch because I feel like he was the only one to turn to after Honko was killed. Etch happened to be the only player along with you who seriously considered honko a threat. I just wanted to see where he stood on that whole issue and wanted to get a response same as you. That doesn't excuse yourself for not giving much of a reason why you were suspicious of honko. Give me a good reason why you were suspicious of honko and an explanation of anything you had to do with his death. Then I will be happy to pardon you, just as I am going to do with Etch. UNVOTE VOTE: KARTERFREAK (A solid response and I will be happy to remove this vote) For everyone, I do feel very strongly however that at this point of the game we shouldn't 100% completely eliminate ANYONE from suspicion. Doing that just doesn't help the town out at all. Anyone CAN be mafia. It is fine to have greater suspicions in comparison to other players but I don't think anyone should say that someone else is safe. We really are not playing that good right now, and the vigilante got very lucky for us! Hopefully the luck continues but most likely we will have to make better decisions all around in order to keep good things happening for ourselves. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Darius on 05/27/09 at 01:21:06 We have more information to go on now, so those players who kept saying 'there's nothing to say' on Day 1 can't get away with that any more. A few things I picked up on towards the end of Day 1 and from the first posts of Day 2: 40666376614A7C607B7A22130 wrote:
You should be thinking about finding mafia, not worrying whether you'll look suspicious or not. If you're not focusing on that then you're suspicious to me. 0852090B0109035757620 wrote:
I don't like this at all. Howes is town because he's getting defensive and trying hard to defend himself? I was mafia with Ellis last game and watched him spend post after post pouring loads of effort into defending himself. This isn't a town tell in any way. Also, 'stupid townies' seeing Howes as an 'easy target' to lynch doesn't make a whole lot of sense from my perspective. Howes did some things that I considered suspicious, so I pursued that. Just saying 'We're going to lynch Math, there's no point looking for any other scum' is not helping the town and would leave us with far less information. Usually Etch's posts are a calming influence on the town and I think they're very helpful on Day 1, but I think this is bad advice in trying to push people into focusing on Math instead of searching for other mafia at the same time. 2D2B272525460 wrote:
Can you elaborate? What have you learned from this? You seem to be implying that there are other people who you considered likely to be dead instead of Honko. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/27/09 at 05:52:32 Finally got on my laptop. First, good job to the vig (is there is one) for killing a mafia member already. I think he was quite lucky though with oneshot. Then, about the death townie... I had expected the possibility of mafia to kill one of the inactive players, to let us w/o barely more informations at day 1, but they decided to kill an good active player. We have to find out now why they decided to eliminate Honko. I'm going to reread his posts to see if I can learn something, cos I'm not really suspicious on anyone yet... Quote:
I wasn't trying to look safe at all (although I see now it could have been misinterpreted the way I wrote it, I apologize). I wrote that cos I wanted the day not to end too quickly, seeing how the votes against Math were increasing. It is important for the first days to last as long as possible. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Ivootjes on 05/27/09 at 07:09:14 Padzup, i think it's working fine? Anyway, it's shadows page so if you've got problems with the page you should tell him in irc i think. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by KoopZ on 05/27/09 at 08:27:53 i'm not really surprised that mafia chose an active poster with good insight on things to kill. if they had chosen an inactive person, then yeah, we wouldnt have of their own input on anything, but chances are good we wouldnt be missing out on much anyway. instead, we're missing out on a lot more with honko gone and inactives still here. good job to whoever nailed oneshot though, even though it was probably incredibly lucky that he ended up being mafia. my suspicions at this point lie with howes and now sportsguy as well. i really have no idea as to why howes claimed himself as townie.... and really for no reason either. in that post of his where he highlighted/bolded his role claim, he prefaced it "this is directed at no one in particular, but..." did you feel like you were under fire, howes? did someone accuse you some how and you just reacted? upon reading the posts again from day one, no one really lashed out at you like they were at math for being a tard, just the usual talk to try and get info and voting patterns out of people. sportsguy pretty well flew under the radar yesterday, and he's come up with a few posts so far that dont really have a lot of info. this is almost exactly how he played last game when he was mafia, and now he's doing the same thing again. what are your thoughts, tyler? can we hear some analysis from you? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/27/09 at 08:52:23 Koopz, I think i have played all the games fairly similar. Here's some analysis for you Koopz. IF Karterfreak is mafia (i don't know), i'm willing to bet that either etch or flo is also mafia. If i remember correctly, in a past game where Karterfreak was mafia he tended to vote for a fellow mafia member and then he would later unvote. So far he has voted for flo on day 1 and then unvoted. (One-shot did the exact same thing). Today he voted for etch and later unvoted. So in conclusion: IF Karterfreak= Mafia, then most likely Etch or Flo= Mafia I'm bout to go play golf so i'll be gone a while. I expect someone to call me crazy by the time i get back. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Kmacc on 05/27/09 at 09:25:44 @Sportsguy: I won't say you're crazy because I can see where you're getting your idea from. But why do you think he'd risk doing again? Chances are if it didn't work for him last game, he would not try it this game, especially since he knew you or one of his other mafia teammates last game could point this out. 1B3E2D362A2C5F0 wrote:
Sure. As for the second part of that, I'm not saying killing Honko was a bad choice, because he does provide helpful analysis. However, you must remember he is not the only strong player in the game. There are other strong players in the game who are often considered good because of their approach or their analysis, such as yourself, Jabes, Etch, Padzup, etc. Now of course we cannot know which sides they are aligned with to completely analyze this. But lets say all four of you guys, as well as Honko, are town. You're all smart, good analysis, etc. What made the mafia choose Honko over those guys? I don't think you can say there is a clear-cut best player. They might have felt Honko was more of a threat, but it may not be the only factor. Honko could have been onto something from the mafia, possibly that other players weren't, which inclined them to take him out rather than the other good players. Here is some of the other stuff I've looked over and thought is worth bringing up: 4E4B4C4A4A5D534D574C464B4A41240 wrote:
You can never be sure if this is oneshot being serious or not. If he being serious though, he could have voted for MVT because he thought MVT was an easy target for people to jump on and take out. If that were the case, I would be inclined to think MVT is a townie, but you can never be sure to take oneshot's votes seriously or not. 5C77706C711E0 wrote:
This was the last vote he made and kept. After Tim answered, it was pretty much brushed off, as if it never happened. Maybe that gave mafia the chance to cover this up because they thought Honko was overly suspicious of Tim, and that none of us would pick up on it since it ended so abruptly. You have to think that Honko died because of some reason with his suspicions, and this could be one of the reasons. You have to remember that Honko was also suspicious of Jabes and Matt. His suspicion did drop off with Jabes, but he still seemed to hold the same suspicious he had towards Matt, because he was not convinced. I personally think Jabes' early posts were more jokingly made. As for Matt, he has been acting weird early on, and still has been acting weird since, especially when he said this: 505A494F5E49645D495E5A503B0 wrote:
Matt, what makes you so suspicious of some of the people who are doing more of the analysis? It is like you're going for the more active players who have more of a clue of what they're doing than some others. I don't know if I can say whether I find this suspicious of just stupid. I just don't understand Matt.. what exactly are your reasons for us being suspicious to you? I feel like you're just being stupid here by either trying to call out a good player as mafia to kinda say "I told ya so" if they end up being mafia, or taking a big chance as a mafia member by trying to go for one of the big guns. Anyway, about Howes role claim, as said this was pretty unneccessary and pointless. However, like someone said (I think Etch), him doing that in the heat of things for no reason probably means he is telling the truth. There was no real danger on him, so for him to come out saying he was town if he were mafia would make no since, because he was in a comfortable position to stay. I can't say it was a smart move at all (no offense Howes), but it seems like a truthful move. However, as MVT said, nobody can be trusted here. Although I am inclined to think Howes is truly a townie because of this, you cannot let your guard down and put guarantees on who you think is town. That is not to say be suspicious of everyone either, you don't wanna be paranoid and jump to conclusions because it gets you nowhere and confuses everyone. ---- As much as Matt's accusations are a bit baffling, I'll worry about that later after he answers. For now I am actually suspicious of Syzygy, just because of the way that played out with him and Honko. It could be sheer coincidence that it went by so unheard of and nobody has worried about it until now. I feel there could be some potential covering up going on, Honko had to die for some reason, did he not? vote: Syzygy I used up all of the 5,500 characters. ;D Edit: I had to fix Honko's quote. PS: Please don't let Scott play. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Jabes on 05/27/09 at 10:20:22 Actually, George, now that you mention it, I read back to page 3 and you stuck with Math for the duration of the day, so maybe I had you confused with someone else. I apologize for that... But I did notice that a few of your posts had you saying something along the lines of: "I'm sticking with my vote for Math at the moment until he says something of importance, because he has offered zilch so far. I'm going to bed now. George." A lot of your posts had you saying pretty much the same thing and then saying that you weren't going to be around. I've always thought that the mafia uses this technique of "i'm going to make a vote, stick to it, keep posting the same thing just so it looks like i'm participating, and then having an excuse as to why i can't be around for a while, ie: sleep, work, school, etc..." Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but that's probably why I initially found you a little bit fishy... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/27/09 at 11:24:15 I think Kmacc has pretty summed up what we could deduce about Honko's posts. Personally I never found Jabes suspicious, and that some people were overanalysing too much his words. Sportsguy said previously it was his posting style iirc, and I assume he knows enough him for saying that as a SMK player, so I'm tempted to believe that. Though he isn't safe like anyone else here atm. However, Honko's opinion about Matt seems valid to me. I don't like much his behaviour towards Flo at the start of the game, which is the opposite of the previous game when he defended him. Indeed his suspicions are pointed to players that actually are contributing the more to the ggame. I assume it's likely that one of them may be a very good mafia, but it could be as well an attempt from mafia to get rid of the best players in the first days... I'm not going to vote Matt though simply cos I don't have enough reasons which leads to think he is maf. I rather prefer voting for the least active players, it has been proven in the past that many mafs were little posters, flying under the radars. Vote : Syzygy Where the fuck are you, man ? I would like your opinion about the current situation. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/27/09 at 12:13:03 Can anyone prove that scott's posts have been deleted? Has anyone seen one of scott's posts? Also, may I throw in a suggestion of not allowing mods playing in a game to delete posts? (they could still lock/remove topics, but not delete posts) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/27/09 at 12:20:56 I have definitely seen 1-2 of Scott's posts, and noticed that they were deleted. There was one saying that we should work together more and stop bickering, and one around 10:15 last night that got deleted before I could see it, but i saw it in the latest post column. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Kmacc on 05/27/09 at 12:42:25 @Scott: I wasn't even the one to delete your posts, no need to jump to conclusions. ::) And if you can't take a small joke such as that, then I'll stop. I don't like making fun of girls. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Jabes on 05/27/09 at 13:00:56 Well, here we go again with another mod deleting posts. Because it seems to be a problem, I'd like to make a rule stating that nobody outside of the game may post. ...wait. Isn't that already a rule? :P Anywho, again, as in previous games, it wasn't me who deleted these posts. I haven't done anything mod-related in any mafia games, except unlocking the thread so I could post what I was in the process of posting while someone else locked it. That was one hell of a sentence... Take it easy, guys. I don't mind who plays the game as long as it's fair to everyone. Deleting posts, albeit posts from someone outside the game, isn't right. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Etch on 05/27/09 at 14:04:01 Quote:
Pretty cut and dry if you ask me. :-? Ivootjes has made no formal ruling in any replacements and discussion about this is distracting us from the actual point of the game. Why are people outside the game trying to disrupt the flow of things? Ivootjes isn't online 24/7 so people trying to fuck up the thread is undermining his authority. Anyway, I'm surprised a number of you guys think I am mafia. ;D Why was MVT so eager to put a vote against me after Matt did? There are plenty of players who are not talking but I am singled out? I am sick of asshole towns trying to lynch other townies. If it is mafia who is out to get me, I know you will deny anything I say against you so that will get me no where. If town wants to waste a day lynching me be my guest. It will just give you guys one day less. I still find it very odd Matt voted for me first given all the less active people to choose from who also voted for Math. Matt says that one thing, I reply, he unvotes. Then a bunch of other people start to jump on the hate train. From the mafia's view, getting the town to lynch me during the day would be great. Given all that has been said, there have been some pretty weird posts since then. I wonder if some of you are even reading everything, I know Clark isn't. [smiley=lolk.gif] I won't repeat myself any further but I think voting for Syzygy is fine given there are like 5 other players doing nothing. I am not ready to put my balls on the line voting out someone who is most likely a townie just shooting their mouth off. Vote: Syzygy |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 14:07:48 I wasnt eager. I just knew you would be more likely to respond if 2 votes were placed on you as opposed to 1 [smiley=lolk.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/27/09 at 14:32:26 Based on who has been posting, and depending on if/when Ivo replaces the inactive players today, lynching anyone before the day is up will be difficult, and if it happens, people from the mafia will definitely be part of those voting for the lynch. We have 18 players left in the game, and reasonably 3-5 mafia left, with several likely to be active. We need 10 votes (55%) to lynch anyone in the first place, and without mafia support, that jumps to 66-77% WORST CASE. Of course, if mafia agrees with the lynch that becomes easier to do, but that would mean that it is probably a townie or an expendable mafia. This is exactly why I am hesistant to vote (besides for pressure) right now. If I vote for someone who is mafia, it will seem like there is little support, but if I vote for a townie, there will be a lot of support. Lynching will probably be hard unless more people participate. I am putting my vote on this person temporarily, but I will remove it if more than 4 other people also vote for them, unless there is overwhelming evidence that there is mafia. Vote: Jabes This is not really a random vote, I just want a little explanation about this: 1F383F25343F3B3E013E263423510 wrote:
The first time I read this, my brain thought 'some people?' inferring more than one. Who exactly were you referring to as being mafia for consecutive games? I'm just thinking you could be referring to more mafia members that are currently unknown to us. Which game was Oneshot mafia in again? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by %hat on 05/27/09 at 14:37:46 Im with Etch on the fact MVT is bandwaggoning. Sounds a little dodge to me. Etch is generally pretty good at sussing out people. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Ivootjes on 05/27/09 at 15:06:33 BB-X and pobre didn't react in time so i'll replace them with scott and sword You guys will get your pm when i'm at home. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 15:09:08 NOT SCOTT |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Jabes on 05/27/09 at 15:13:24 Im actually not sure if he was a mafia member in the first game i played in (the one where i quit because i got fed up with the lack of activity, which is odd because there's much less activity in this game and im fine). Oneshot was the alpha male in the last game we played, which gave him two lives essentially. I made that comment because i noticed that some people end up getting power roles or in the mafia, and some of the same people end up just a regular townie a lot. I know its randomly generated, but clark has been mafia in 2 of the 3 games he's played, which is clearly against the odds. It was just an observation. I think tyler has had a power role and was mafia in consecutive games, same with syzygy. I hope that clears it up... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/27/09 at 15:20:05 MVT: I was really only suspicious of Honko because of how well he worded his posts. It seemed like he was trying to avoid anything that would bring him up. The reason I've been bringing up the posters who have posted more is simple, I want to hear more from them based on the newer information we have. Etch is fine for now, still a little suspicious of MVT for being on the constant attack, but I've been suspicious of him before and wrong about him. Still good to keep suspicions for everyone. Oh, and for the people calling me suspicious. I'm GLAD you find me suspicious, it means you're actually reading the posts and looking at information. Ironically, this either means you're a mafia looking for anything to abuse to get someone killed, or you're a good townie, so there's little I can personally learn from that. unvote Vote: Sword Seems like a fair vote, you're replacing Pobre; Pobre hasn't said anything yet. What is your current input on the game? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 15:21:29 unvote Vote Scott speak up edit- bolded unvote |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/27/09 at 15:26:19 I'm not in the fucking game you idiot. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 15:27:05 5D627B7B607E7167140 wrote:
hmm scott? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/27/09 at 15:27:25 Joe, I have been a regular mariokart player, Bowser, and Mafia Poisoner in the previous games. It would be hard to believe that i would be mafia three games in a row. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/27/09 at 15:36:30 Jabes- that's enough for now, it helps with some perspective. unvote Vote: MVT Because I'm about 75% sure you are mafia, along with evidence given by others. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Etch on 05/27/09 at 15:41:23 Howes you are awesome. :-* Matt, don't waste time going after Sword today. It's doubtful he will respond and there is a good chance all of the mafia roles were handed out. Based on the information so far, I don't see that being a very good use of time. I have not liked the vote and unvote shit going on. Most importantly people who haven't been saying much jumping on the hate train for me. I think townies know better and given the style of posts, I am inclined to agree with you Howes. This lynch could teach us more than waiting to hear back from syzygy. He is difficult to read whether he is mafia or not. Since he isn't doing much, he isn't a threat during the day. People voting for others without any real good reason or explanation is another. unvote Vote: MVT |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/27/09 at 15:55:08 Hmm, I'll think about who I want to get talking next then. I really wanted to hear from the people who haven't said anything yet too :( |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Etch on 05/27/09 at 15:57:23 ^It's not like one vote will make some people talk. I doubt some are keeping up with the topic. ::) If people feel obligated to talk because one dumb vote is put against them, that does not excuse their absence. Townies have to be careful doing that because it can let the mafia vote without causing too much suspicion. If they quickly lash back and start voting for other people that's never a good sign. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/27/09 at 15:57:50 Voting for the new player(s) already, when they probably haven't read their PM yet, is fucking silly I must say. Also I assume Scott is going to be modkilled if he actually doesn't play, wtf is happening Ivo ? [smiley=ninja.gif] I don't see why some people are very suspicious on Etch, he is the one who brought the most to the game. I wouldn't be surprised if mafia members were involved inside this :-/ I stick with Syzygy for tonight, if he hasn't replied by the next day, he is a bitch ::) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Borgeman on 05/27/09 at 16:14:02 5E797E64757E7A7F407F677562100 wrote:
ill take that apology [smiley=thumbsup.gif] i guess that which not a heap of activity in day one, there was really not much to say... just read through the game, and the way i see it basically is that honko was gone because he had the most in depth posts of day one, and chances are he was suspicious of actual mafia. other players who are considered good players, like etch for eg, hadnt really talked up as big a storm as honko, so the mafia silences the biggest mouth - looks like a pretty standard kill in my eyes anywho, there are a couple of people who have played this game, and yet not really posted much at all - clark and flo. i know someone earlier mentioned flo, but id like to hear some info from these guys, i know clark hasnt said anything other than to follow what someone else said... George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/27/09 at 16:16:32 3862393B3139336767520 wrote:
While that is true, if people notice the person doesn't respond after one vote, we could stack a couple votes on them and threaten a lynch. If they still ignore, then they probably aren't contributing much, and if they start contributing much more all of a sudden, then it would make them look like mafia. Its a win-win situation in a way. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/27/09 at 16:24:02 18292020182D20294C0 wrote:
hmm scott?[/quote] I posted four times saying I would no longer like to participate, because my posts had been deleted. No one knew this, however, because someone felt the need to delete those posts. As a result, Ivo never got my message. I suppose if he really wants me to still join, I will....else I may just have to let Jeff out of my trunk so he can post again. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Padzup on 05/27/09 at 16:29:23 7B445D5D46585741320 wrote:
It wasn't working when I posted that but it seems to be fine now. Sorry. 04222732250E38243F3E66570 wrote:
Really? More likely you just don't want us to read the rest of it and form an opinion for ourselves. That is the point of the game, isn't it? 5F797C697E55637F64653D0C0 wrote:
If there is a vig? Who else would have killed a mafia? That doesn't make any sense. Also take note that he says it was lucky that Oneshot was killed. 5F797C697E55637F64653D0C0 wrote:
There is already little enough to say and the pace is slow enough that mafia can afford to kill a stronger poster. Etch's posts have suggested that Honko was mostly guessing which makes him a prime target for mafia since they could get rid of him before he was onto someone and at the same time give town little enough information that they wouldn't hinder themselves enough to outweigh the benefit of getting rid of him. If anything it's the fact that it was only Day 1 that allowed mafia to pull a move like this so it is odd that you would suggest otherwise. I could reply to a lot here but most of it would be one-liners and I don't feel like cluttering this thread with quote tags so I'm just going to point out a few highlights: -Koopz says vig is lucky Oneshot was mafia (as does SuperYoshi as stated above), an obvious tell. -Koopz proceeds to go into what seems to be false banter with Sportsguy who posts immediately afterward with a pretty weak argument for Matt, which gets denounced by Kmacc in the next post. -SuperYoshi votes Tim with the worst-sounding sentence I've ever seen. At least he didn't unvote and go for MVT, probably would have been too obvious. -Etch votes Tim a bit later on for seemingly no good reason (something about not having the balls to stand up to everyone. He did this with Math yesterday) and then whines about people unvoting so quickly but still unvotes and goes for MVT. ???? -Tyler pulls the likelihood argument for being town. While it is indeed unlikely that he would be mafia again, he wasn't mafia in Ivo's last game so the argument is pretty much null. He pulled this last game and turned out to be mafia and if that is the best reason he has it simply isn't going to cut it. -Howes and Etch go for MVT seemingly out of nowhere. Did I miss something? Looking at SuperYoshi's posts through Day 1 and until now it really seems like he has simply paraphrased points made before and not actually said too much new. Koopz has done much of the same and overall has been less aggressive than normal. Sportsguy has posted even less than the two of them and also ended the Day early for no real reason given that Ivo couldn't even get the thread closed until the time the Day was supposed to end anyway. I am tired and cannot remember why I began this post. I think I initially was going to vote SuperYoshi but given everyone's voting patterns it might be a better idea to not vote at all. A single vote is pointless but at the same time voting for someone with multiple votes under their belt will likely lead to a quicklynch. This is unfavourable given there aren't currently a ton of mafia leads since Oneshot didn't say much during Day 1. Given the pace of the game so far I have a feeling that the nightgame will determine the outcome so the best strategy for the Day is to seek out as much information as possible from all sides. And as a note: Tim is a useless cunt who will only respond with something like 'not my fault this thread is boring but ok im gonna post something in a bit' and not post until Day 3 with the same bit. I wouldn't even bother keeping your vote on him unless you can convince everyone else to lynch him (and with Howes and Etch switching to MVT so quickly I doubt it's going to happen). |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Johnny Wishbone on 05/27/09 at 16:54:48 The following players are mafia: Etch, MVT, padzup, Extol and Karter Freak. Fuck you whoever killed me. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Borgeman on 05/27/09 at 17:02:21 4D484F49495E504E544F45484942270 wrote:
hmm, angry much? [smiley=uzi.gif] question is, is he bs or not? George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Extol on 05/27/09 at 17:18:00 finally got it all read, i thought i was going to have more free time now that school is out, but it has turned out to be just the opposite. I'll post my thoughts for this day so far. First of all, i dont like the phony "too bad we lost Honko, good thing someone got lucky and we got Oneshot" deal that several people pulled at the beginning of the day. We know whats good and bad, saying it IMO makes it seem like you're trying too hard to align yourself with the town. I bet a few of the ones that made that comment at the start of the day are mafia. Second, i dont think we should be too happy we got Oneshot, he was just a goon, and there are still 3 or 4 (maybe 5) mafias left. Anyway, there are a few people i'm looking at right now as at least a little suspicious or I want to point out something about them: Karterfreak: posts seem kinda vague for the most part, not adding too much. But then again, this has been his posting style in all the games pretty much. Also, where did the vote on Sword come from? I guess just trying to get him to talk... Sportsguy: same as Matt, and like Matt this has been his posting style in previous games as well. He just gives off a town vibe though, i can't really pinpoint it. Superyoshi: Also pretty vague posts for the most part, not really adding much but just summing up what has been going on so far (although there were a few good quality posts from him). But he seems like he might be hiding something. Etch and MVT: Based on the back-and-forth between these two, I'm pretty sure one of them is mafia. They seem to have opposing viewpoints a lot and each voted for the other at one point. MVT has since retracted his vote for Etch and voted for Scott, which is kind of odd because its questionable if Scott is even in the game at this point. I think MVT is a bit more suspicious at this point. A few other things- Some people, including me, need to talk more and bring more to the table. This includes Darius, Koopz (both of whom are good at analyzing, so they would be wise to give us some insight), and %Hat (who never says much anyway, so eh). Its good to hear from Padzup, he and Kmacc seem to be doing the most analysis so far, and they are bringing up good points as well. I think thats all for now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Ivootjes on 05/27/09 at 17:19:18 One shot, please be quiet. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Ivootjes on 05/27/09 at 17:22:13 Isthatagoodthing just replaced Pobre Sword just replaced BB-X Send them their pm 1 minute ago |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 17:27:46 I can't beleive you guys are letting Howes get away with this. Can you people not see? All Howes is doing is posting these stupid, pathetic, worthless, little messages and everyone is letting him off the hook. It just is ridiculous. I have so many examples of this nonsense it is beyond me that no one can see through it. Let's begin 262A3F23262A2C3E387B787C4B0 wrote:
Nice way to start the game. I don't really mind it either, but who knew this was a sign of the reasoning to come. 6B67726E6B67617375363531060 wrote:
Next up he proves he can't fucking read. Seeing as one of my posts specifically defended Flo if this is still the reason for his suspicion than he really isn't intelligent enough to be taken seriously. The night below I typed this: 36070E0E36030E07620 wrote:
Obviously defended Flo. The guy just is not reading ANYTHING I type. 565A4F53565A5C4E480B080C3B0 wrote:
So I call him on it and he retracts his vote and randomly places it on Math. YET AGAIN with NO REASONING. 767A6F73767A7C6E682B282C1B0 wrote:
Another absolutely useless post. No one cares whether he has the first name as you. 2E22372B2E22243630737074430 wrote:
I posted the votecount because there had not been an actual votecount at that time, and it seemed like a good time to post one. I will admit I haven't said much, but then, who has said a lot so far. Etch has a long one of analysis, while you also have an analysis post. My 5 posts before this went something like this: random vote to try to get posts, post with dumb accusation, post retracting said dumb accusation, votecount, explanation for why people are absent. Basically, I'm posting because I'm putting off a major project for school, which I don't want to do. If I wanted to try to slip by without posting, I'm sure I could last a couple of in-game days easily with minimal suspicion. Trying to deeply analyze at this point is useless anyway, unless you claim to have some special intuition... Ivo, you should definitely modkill people that don't speak just for their lack of interest in the game.[/quote] In his next post he goes after Padzup half-hazardly. He always strongly proclaims that no one has the right to deeply analyze the game or else they are mafia. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/27/09 at 17:28:55 lmao, I bet that list is totally bogus, want proof? I offer myself up as the first lynch on that list if you want to see. I'd rather sacrifice myself and have town win than have people bantering over that little list for the next couple of days only to realize its bogus. vote: karterfreak lets get this shit started now? ;D |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Padzup on 05/27/09 at 17:34:39 1C233A3A213F3026550 wrote:
That'll show him Ivo! Matt, doing that is dumb since if you're actually town then people will assume that everyone else on the list is town as well. If there are any mafia on that list then they are safe for the rest of the game. Plus we still waste a day lynching you, we shouldn't even have to go that far. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/27/09 at 17:40:09 No, I'm not saying we don't consider anyone on that list mafia. I'm just saying that the list itself is bogus, as I'm not mafia. All I'm trying to do is have people not look at the list and think its true. Sure, he may have put an actual mafia on there, but he probably only put one at the start or something, to make us think that the rest are mafia, therefore eliminating all productive discussion, because everyone would be too busy with that list. The option is more than there to lynch me if you believe the list. If you don't, then keep with the actual discussion, and ignore it. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/27/09 at 17:42:39 Open question: Do you think a lack of attention paid to posts is a sign of being town or mafia? Personally, I think it mainly shows a person is town, rather than mafia. If a person is mafia, they are actively searching for mistakes in their posts (or at least they should be), and they are less likely to make obvious mistakes, as you call them. Townies aren't likely to check these things, so they might be thought of as mafia mistakes when in fact they are townie laziness. lol, just try me MVT. This week is mock trial in my school. Also, MVT, all of those posts are from the last Day, and not a single one is from Day 2. At least come up with some arguments that are current if you are trying to cast me as someone I'm not... Matt, just don't bother. We all know that the list is true, and if people don't think that, they would be reluctant to vote you out. Wording question: why do you 'bet' that the list is bogus? Either it is or it isn't. You should know that, considering you are named in it, so if you aren't mafia, the list is false, if only because you aren't mafia. Now, you've basically cast doubt on yourself. My guess: oneshot put some town, some mafia on the list. Ivo is just going to let it play out whichever way. Quick edit: Do you notice how I'm the first one not on the list to post? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 17:43:08 727E6B77727E786A6C2F2C281F0 wrote:
If he is mafia, he already knows how many town there are, so all he would gain would be the power roles. Asking this would benefit the town so much more, as it would let them know which power roles are in the game, how many mafias there are, and it would help a lot. Flo is definitely town. @Padzup- I think you are getting the last two games mixed up. When Flo was mafia, I'm pretty sure Matt was the cop, but last game, Matt was mafia, and Flo wasn't in the game. I'll post more later, have to go out w/ family.[/quote] Our resident Flo expert again tries to kick a dead horse and continue to talk about Flo, even though by then we were done talking about him. The post was completely off subject at the time it was made. Next post is his big analytical masterpiece that he claimed no one should be allowed to make unless they are mafia. Here are some highlights. Quote:
I thought you voted Jabes because of a random number generator. You are not telling me that you actually now have a gut feeling about him because of the generator? More Flo talk, very weird. Quote:
Revealing his role wouldn't help it would have been foolish. Quote:
What would be the point in revealing????????? Quote:
I thought all analysts are mafia? 373B2E32373B3D2F296A696D5A0 wrote:
I did analyze quite a bit. But still I thought that all analysts are mafia.......wtf? 707C6975707C7A686E2D2E2A1D0 wrote:
Changes his whole style of posting here. Sucking up to the town. 525E4B57525E584A4C0F0C083F0 wrote:
Pointless role claim. Why are you so desperate to know others roles and then you try to take all suspicion off of yourself with the easiest route, calling yourself a vanilla. 4B47524E4B47415355161511260 wrote:
NOW FLO IS MAFIA!!!?????? I thought the day before that you said he was no way mafia, and that you were suspicious of anyone who voted for him. MAKE UP YOUR MIND. 0F03160A0F03051711525155620 wrote:
Another role claim and back to the random gut decisions. Damn right you were out of control day 1. Too bad you haven't found a way to control yourself since. He also goes back to padzup in the post. ....... next post he votes jabes again. Is your gut burning again my dear? Jabes smashes him with a good defense and guess who he goes to next. Another one of his gut favorites. 44485D4144484E5C5A191A1E290 wrote:
Nice job pulling a percentage out of your ass. Nice reasoning too. Just rely on everyone else to do the guesswork for you so then you can just randomly agree with them and blame it on your gut. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/27/09 at 17:48:09 Howes: didn't you just respond to MVT about town laziness? You know exactly what I mean in that post. Whether or not I bet or declare or know the list is false makes no difference. I'm getting the point across, and that's all I'm aiming for. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 17:50:38 And that wraps up my analysis of every post Howes has made. Here is one final thing that i think is the critical mistake howes has made so far. Remember very early on in the game how Howes got upset with people voting Flo? Remember how he also defended Flo. Well as soon as Flo made this post: 4B706F787528202028190 wrote:
suddenly Howes all of the sudden suspects Flo. He is basing everything he does off of emotions. So what Flo voted for you, why does that suddenly make him suspicious? Also note that I have still yet to even place my vote on Howes. My own gut was telling me that he was town for quite a while but now after really throughly reading his interactions with Flo I have major doubts. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 17:51:59 On another note, the oneshot list is bullshit. He just hates me from outside the game and wants me to die. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 17:56:25 6A777B60633837380F0 wrote:
I am just messing around with Scott. Now that I think he is in the game I just want to get his opinions on everything, which I am sure he will give after he has read it all through. edit- adding on: Now that I have replied to everything addressed at me I am done with the post streaks :-*. I Will respond again tonight only if I am specifically addressed. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Padzup on 05/27/09 at 18:04:20 4844514D4844425056151612250 wrote:
wat 4844514D4844425056151612250 wrote:
You're trying to downplay mafia tells by saying it's out of laziness?! That's a ridiculous assertion. I'm seeing a lot of the same attitude that Etch had when he brushed off your roleclaim. "Oh, a mafia tell just means they are a lazy town/made a mistake!" You're basically trying to throw the entire game on its head. A tell is a tell. Your roleclaim was stupid, trying to defend it and your other mistakes just makes you look worse. You have been so utterly (and needlessly) defensive this game that it is hard to believe you have good intentions. You are clearly hiding something. 4844514D4844425056151612250 wrote:
...seriously? Also he was only halfway through his post when you said that. Good going bro. Anything you feel needs to be said that hasn't been, Howes? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/27/09 at 18:06:08 This day is getting us nowhere, and not fast. I have proof that I am not mafia, and that MVT is lying out of his ass. However, if I post it, the day will be over. What I am about to propose will only work if at least some people are with me. If I post a picture/link of my role PM, then technically Ivo should end the day. When he does, the Vig should kill MVT. The people on my mafia list are those on Oneshot's list (MVT, Karterfreak, Etch, Padzup, Extol), with the additions of Flo and Jabes. Not to say that others aren't guilty, but those are my top suspects. If you believe that I should go forward with this plan, please post and say so. The only downside is that town will lose one of its most active posters, so please respond with your reactions/ideas for this plan. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Padzup on 05/27/09 at 18:07:53 7C7065797C70766462212226110 wrote:
How is that at all relevant? If anything it means that you are mafia trying to jump on people on the list before they have a chance to defend themselves. Why are you even bringing up the list at all? By endorsing it you are endorsing Oneshot and thereby endorsing mafia. This would make you mafia and no reasonable town would risk the possibility that the list is not accurate (given that the game hasn't ended yet, it isn't). |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/27/09 at 18:11:41 If you look at my post, I am clearly not reasonable right now. I am now 99.9% sure that MVT is mafia. If you are town, please post your reactions. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 18:14:56 Howes is pathetic. 606C7965606C6A787E3D3E3A0D0 wrote:
So anything from Day 1 is irrelevant? 326833313B33396D6D580 wrote:
Nice job doing exactly what you say is bad. Random votes + no true reasoning. People find me suspicious every mafia game I play no matter how I post. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 18:17:19 Howes I thought you were only 75% sure I was mafia 5F53465A5F53554741020105320 wrote:
What brings that up to 99.9% in the course of just under 3 hours? You are making so many mistakes right now that I can't believe anyone could go along with you. edit - adding this quote to show this guy is talking out of his mind 5A56435F5A56504244070400370 wrote:
At 6:36 P.M. he says I am 75% mafia. At 9:11 P.M. he says I am 99.9% mafia. :-? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Padzup on 05/27/09 at 18:21:12 Quote:
...what?! You'll be modkilled. If that is your plan then you are saying you are one of the most active posters. I'd say MVT is more active than you are and at the very least he is far more valuable. Quote:
You are using lack of reason as a defense. How do you think anyone will believe you? tl;dr Howes just proposed to post his role PM as a strat and said Oneshot's list was completely accurate. He roleclaimed with no votes on him and claims that mafia tells are simply actions of lazy towns. Is this what a town player would do? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Extol on 05/27/09 at 18:23:18 7975607C7975736167242723140 wrote:
I think this is a bad idea, because at this point only maybe two people think you are mafia. Maybe i'm missing the point of this action, but if i were you I wouldnt want to kill myself. Instead, why dont we try to lynch someone who more people are suspicious of first during the day, then the vig can kill MVT at night and you wont have to sacrifice yourself. At the same time we have a chance to possibly take out two mafia members... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/27/09 at 18:23:32 Can someone not on the list post? I'm tired of having 4 mafia rape me at the same time. Everything will be clear tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/27/09 at 18:24:41 Also, Extol, the person that most people are suspicious of is me. How would that work out for the mafia? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Extol on 05/27/09 at 18:27:18 I think at this point more people are suspicious of MVT cause some of the Europeans had suspicions of him earlier IIRC, it just seems like you are the target now cause most of the people active now are suspicious of you. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Padzup on 05/27/09 at 18:29:13 Quote:
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Wait how do these two sentences make sense together? I thought it was just MVT and I really saying anything to you at all. Why are you so scared of being lynched when nobody has even voted you (AGAIN)? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/27/09 at 18:32:04 unvote Vote: Howes This ones for calling me mafia, plus you're the only one that's acting stupid after the list was posted. I smell something fishy. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/27/09 at 18:33:47 Why shouldn't I have found Flo suspicious? Why shouldn't I find anyone suspicious? The only people I trust fully are darius and Clark, and probably Scott and Sword. I have my farewell post queued up, since I have little to no desire to be in this game anymore, especially tomorrow, when I have a major project due the next day. At least someone must understand this: it is more honorable to go out on your own terms than to go out when you least want to. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/27/09 at 18:33:52 Oh, and beforehand, if Howes by some chance isn't mafia, I'm throwing my suspicions at you MVT. Warning you right now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Howes on 05/27/09 at 18:36:17 MVT. YOU LOSE. My proof is here. (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=486498&l=b8f4231ac4&id=1152668401) The link should work regardless of whether you have a facebook account or not; it worked for me when I was logged out. The game of chess has started. Your move, mafia. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3lTQljbKLw[/media] I'm sorry Ivo, for further ruining your game (or is this making it more amusing to watch?) Howes out. [smiley=ninja.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/27/09 at 18:37:28 For some reason i'm starting to trust Howes. But don't post your pm message. Edit: Looks like Howes is going to be gone now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 18:39:01 I don't have any clue why he just killed himself..... :-[ I never voted for him throughout the entire game and wasn't really planning on it. I did want him to get his head on straight and stop randomly accusing people. I repeat though I never voted for him and it would be really stupid for the town if the vig killed me tonight. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Padzup on 05/27/09 at 18:39:35 howes you are nothing short of retarded. thanks for ending the day early. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by karterfreak on 05/27/09 at 18:42:27 Well, can I propose something now that Howes decided he was going to kill himself? Can we drag the day out to its full length before modkilling him and ending the day? We shouldn't be punished for his action of doing that. It only gives us less time to figure stuff out. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Padzup on 05/27/09 at 18:44:52 Yea I'm gonna have to agree, most people weren't even here when Howes started this shit. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Extol on 05/27/09 at 18:51:33 I agree with Matt as well, there is still plenty that we can talk about and figure out before the day ends. And we can see what everyone else has to say. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Borgeman on 05/27/09 at 19:18:14 :-? ive been gone two hours and i come back to this... howes is stupid for doing that, now we lose a town without a lynch - he must be really confident that he is right in his suspicions. im gonna have to re-read all this shit, im still baffled as fuck [smiley=lolk.gif] George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Extol on 05/27/09 at 19:19:11 Looking at the mafia.cgi page, i see that Syzygy has no posts for day 2. Really? i thought i saw a few of his posts earlier, but maybe i was just thinking about day 1. Either way, any ideas on what that means? could he have possibly been silenced or something? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Jabes on 05/27/09 at 19:26:42 Dont post your role pm. I dont quite see the logic, but it completely defies the point of the game and it makes it less fun for everyone. Since im on the list you made, itll skew people's opinion of me as it is, which alters the progress of the game entirely. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by KoopZ on 05/27/09 at 19:38:14 holy fuck howes, what are you thinking?! >:( i hope ivo will let us play the full day out with no lynch, instead of all us having to suffer for howes being a tard. the one thing that i wanna say is that we need to completely disregard that list that oneshot posted. whether it ends up being true or not, if we pay any attention to it at all, every single view that people hold - especially the views of people on said list - are going to be skewed, and thats gonna fuck up the game even more than it already is now. i personally think the best course of action would just be to pretend that list never happened. i have no idea where my suspicions lie currently. padzup (i think it was you that asked me to post more?), for you if no one else, i'll be sure to provide a detailed post with my thoughts later on tonight when i get home again. god i hope no more stupid shit goes down. :( later. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Etch on 05/27/09 at 20:10:10 What's the moral of the story here? Listen to Etch. Howes was on the right track but decided to become a fucking retard. If you had any brains you would not have listened to any of MVT's banter since a mafia player will obviously lie his way through the entire game. No matter what you say, he will just dish it back and still point the finger at you. I can't believe you let a shit tactic like that get the better of you. Had you been patient and waited for the rest of town to vote for MVT, we could have learned something interesting. But no, you wanted to prove yourself right and rage quit in the process. That must make you feel a lot better, lol. I knew Howes was innocent and yet most of you felt confident he was mafia. You only have yourself to blame Howes, fuck you. :P I am done reading your bullshit posts MVT and Padzup. I hope there aren't any roles where a person who is told they are townie is actually mafia unknowingly. That's the only way Oneshot's list could be remotely right. You guys are overthinking a lot of shit and people here are running this game into the shitter thanks to breaking all the rules. Great job following the rules so far guys. ::) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Jabes on 05/27/09 at 20:28:35 Well, i certainly dont know what to do now. Its amazing that something like this can happen... I hope that we can all get our shit together and try to see through the bullshit. Me being on that list is very troubling, mostly because of what coop and i have already said: people are inevitably going to use that information, regardless if its true or not. Ive got nothing to hide, so i feel pretty confident nonetheless. I also think we should be allowed to play the rest of the day out as normal. I think its only fair to us... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Kmacc on 05/27/09 at 20:34:37 This is just retarded. I don't even know what to say about this. Howes, you have to remember this is a team effort, and you have to do what it takes to help your team win. Letting your emotions get the best of you and screwing your team over for individual reasons is just plain stupid. Life lesson. [smiley=engel017.gif] 14252C2C14212C25400 wrote:
Whether you were ever going to vote him or not is not relevant. I know it was stupid for him to let his emotions get to him, but you are of course responsible. You are the one who constantly went at him and pushed hm over the edge. If he was acting this crazy and saying he would reveal his PM, you should have stopped if you had the town's best interest in hand. If he stopped and didn't go through with it and started to play more normal again, maybe then you can call his bluff. Vig, you can always kill MVT because a lot of people have suspicions on him and it could lead to finding out some stuff about people here, whether they believe MVT is mafia or town. It would probably be the best idea actually from what we have now because we'd be finding out the most to be honest.. If not, go for someone quiet like Clark, Syzygy, Flo, etc. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 20:37:12 I would appreciate some reasoning why YOU think I am mafia. Not anyone else but yourself please Etch. Let's all try to talk some sense. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Etch on 05/27/09 at 20:50:43 Let's make some sense, says the guy launching a pointless debate with Howes. ::) I already made up my mind, town will have some casualties early on but losing you is hardly a lost. After all the shit that just went down, I have a hard time believing any townie is that stupid. It's clear votes were trying to be placed on townies and several people accused innocent players of being mafia. This did nothing but to bolster the mafia's team in terms of confusing the town. This thread is beyond fucked up, throw in the towel Ivootjes. Anyone winning this now is hardly a well earned victory. It's a joke. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 20:57:53 The only thing that could fix this game is Pobre. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 21:02:41 ^lol [smiley=flush.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/27/09 at 21:09:36 *watches another of his posts get deleted* I hope this trend ends now...can't believe someone had the balls to delete my previous 7 posts in here when I was already in the game....no one deleted the posts from Alex and PYL early in the game so why was my first post deleted? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Padzup on 05/27/09 at 21:18:35 401A414349414B1F1F2A0 wrote:
Ok so now the number of people who bother reading my posts is 0 ::) I guess that means I don't have to post anymore. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by MVT on 05/27/09 at 21:25:28 you made it to 200 you have my permission to be done now |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Darius on 05/28/09 at 02:00:57 Ivo hasn't been on since Howes posted his screenshot so I don't think he's deliberately giving us time, I just think he hasn't seen it yet. As far as I'm concerned, this is entirely Howes' fault. If he doesn't want people to put pressure on him then he shouldn't be playing the game. Blaming MVT for calling out someone who is highly inconsistent and doesn't seem to apply a great deal of logic to the game is ridiculous. Appeals to emotion are often mafia plays anyway so saying we should back off because he threatened to post his role PM doesn't make sense either. I'm particularly suspicious of Borgeman at the moment, he still hasn't said much definitive and the only thing he's really said towards anyone is to try and get Clark and Flo to talk more. I find Tim suspicious because I always do, as he's being super-silent again. He usually denies that he's being quiet but last time I was after him he did the same and he was mafia, so I'm getting that feeling again. Sword and Scott (if he's actually playing) need to post some detailed thoughts soon too because right now we have nothing to go on with them. Ivo: in the last game, Robin modkilled Fababu at the end of the day after the lynch had gone through for doing what Howes just did. I think that's a better solution than ending the day early. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Ivootjes on 05/28/09 at 03:22:35 Howes has been modkilled, he was a regular townie Meh, no other way to handle this. At least this game is starting to get somewhat interesting ::) Night 2 has started |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by Ivootjes on 05/28/09 at 03:25:22 4A7B7E606F6A1A0 wrote:
That'll show him Ivo! [/quote] Can't do much more. It's the internet right? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by KoopZ on 05/29/09 at 07:40:01 i went ahead and unlocked this cuz its been over 24 hours.... however, i dont know if ivo got all the night actions yet. i'll lock it again if its still not actually time yet. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/29/09 at 08:07:20 Ivo hasn't be online for a while, hopefully he will be tonight so we can play again. I hope as well I'm not dead ;D |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Ivootjes on 05/29/09 at 08:08:12 I'm here, day will start in a few minutes |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Ivootjes on 05/29/09 at 08:11:12 This day everybody woke up to see that karterfreak was still there, only his head was missing. Nasty! Karterfreak has been killed, he was just a regular townie Day 3 has started, it will end in 72 hours. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Kmacc on 05/29/09 at 08:36:12 2C292E28283F312F352E24292823460 wrote:
Well, looks like this list was false as we figured. Is it possible a mafia member is on the list and decided that killing off a non-mafia from that list (Matt) would make it look like they are all innocent? Whether or not that is true, I'm thinking there's still a mafia member in there regardless. 14252C2C14212C25400 wrote:
I've already quoted this in a post in Day Two, but just seeing this makes me think MVT is mafia. If you didn't want him dead, you wouldn't have constantly went at him, whether you imagined him killing himself or not. This just feels like a fake coverup that is your last chance to try and convert people into thinking it wasn't your fault and that you're innocent. I'm not buying it. vote: MVT |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/29/09 at 08:47:03 Ok let's go. First, there is only one death this time, that's mean either the vig did nothing or got blocked, or the mafia got blocked. I don't really see the vig killing Matt rather than an less active player, so I assume the vig did nothing this time. Then, about Howes... I was dissapointed to see yesterday that the day was done already, even more when I learnt the reason... this is so ridiculous that such thing still can happen. People seem to forgot it's just a game. MVT has pushed Howes far out of his limits, I tend to blame him for this and some players may think it's really suspicious, but I know it's his strategy since he plays mafia, so I think he is likely town, although I'm less sure than the previous times. And I agree Howes has some part of responsability in his fail, due to his emotions, but I disagree with players like Darius saying that it is only his own fault and the aggressive players had nothing to do with this mess... seems like they are trying to defend some possible mafs... About other players : Syzygy : I wasted my time with him, he is way too inactive to be a mafia, he would post at least care more about the game if he was maf knowing him... Etch : I don't really see how some players find him suspicions, if they could explain me better, I'm ready to hear. He is one of the most active posters and made very good reasoning. In the town range for me at the moment. Padzup : the best player here, very active, very strong at finding mistakes in almost all other players posts (including mines). The whole game may depend of whether he is town of mafia. I really hope he is town... but anyway he has contribute a lot to the game, so I'm not gotta vote for him unless new stuff happens... Koopz : hasn't posted that much, but didn't show anything suspicious yet... I feel he is likely town, but it's just a feel... People for which I'm undecided about their team : Borgeman (little poster and little reasoning), Sportsguy (we never know with him), Darius (hasn't posted a lot indeed) Will read again some of their posts to have a better idea later. And of course waiting opinions for the "new" players ::) If people have any questions about me, just ask, I have nothing to hide... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/29/09 at 08:57:15 Kmacc : I didn't even have to wait that one of the list was dead to see that the list was fake. But your reasoning is right, maybe the maf wanted us to throw away this list when actually some mafs figure on it. I'm still for simply ignoring the list and playing the game the normal way rather than trying to find the mafs in this list (maybe there aren't any...) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by MVT on 05/29/09 at 09:10:15 3D3B373535560 wrote:
Well, looks like this list was false as we figured. Is it possible a mafia member is on the list and decided that killing off a non-mafia from that list (Matt) would make it look like they are all innocent? Whether or not that is true, I'm thinking there's still a mafia member in there regardless. 14252C2C14212C25400 wrote:
I've already quoted this in a post in Day Two, but just seeing this makes me think MVT is mafia. If you didn't want him dead, you wouldn't have constantly went at him, whether you imagined him killing himself or not. This just feels like a fake coverup that is your last chance to try and convert people into thinking it wasn't your fault and that you're innocent. I'm not buying it. vote: MVT [/quote] I think I have sufficiently defended myself. If you actually think that I am mafia at this point that's your decision, but you are making a big mistake. Nothing more I really have to say. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by KoopZ on 05/29/09 at 09:11:26 of the people that matt was consistently suspicious of, Joe is the one that is still alive. he threw out some other suspicions, but jabes was always amongst his suspicions, and i've gotta say i agree. my previous post from (i think?) Day 1 of both jabes and etch is still there. that banter from jabes at the very beginning just got me going especially the line "if etch is also town, then we'll be onstoppable 8-)" or something along those lines. @ superyoshi - mafia players in general are usually some of the more active players (assuming they want to try and win) in that they're constantly talking and trying to find ways to shift suspicions on to other players in the event that suspicions do fall on a mafia player. if the current bandwagon is on a townie, then more often than not, they'll just go with the bandwagon. i wouldnt rule out etch just cuz he's providing some of the better reasoning/analysis in the game. and it bugs me that tim (syzygy) and tyler (sportsguy) said next to nothing throughout the entirety of day 2. no one is saying anything to them or about them, and they're just not saying anything back as well. where are you guys? whats with the silence? and are sword and scott actually the new replacements now? scott said he didnt wanna play anymore, and i think i've only seen one post from sword so far.... ivo, whats the verdict? quick edit - i see that tyler's replying atm, yay for that. where's tim? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/29/09 at 09:11:40 Why has no one focused on removing Syzygy's scummy fat ass from this game? This player has been exhibiting behavior that makes me want to puke! No one's even considered looking into him yet this game, and I don't know why. His only posts in this game cam in Day 1, and they were just as useless as those from Flo or Math, even though he should be capable of doing much more. It's been a common theme in our past mafia games that the quiet team wins, and look at what's been happening: the vocal players are getting killed off (Howes, Honko, Ellis) while the mafia sit back and giggle. They're in control and don't even have to post. We shall eliminate Syzygy today, and see what happens as a result. This lynch should be quick, decisive, and the proper choice for us to make at this point in the game. vote: Syzygy |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/29/09 at 09:15:29 From the looks of it the mafia doesn't have a poisoner like in the last game. If they did then two people would have been dead last night. (This is assuming that it works like the last game). Ivo didn't have one in his last game either. Also, there was a mafia assassin last game. Did ivo have an assassin in his last game? I don't remember. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by KoopZ on 05/29/09 at 09:15:42 scott, you do realize that if everyone jumps on this boat with you on tim and he's a townie, that you're fucked, right? yeah, tim hasnt given a good reason so far for us to keep him, but lets wait a bit and see if he actually posts. only 1 out of 5 deaths so far has been mafia, and if we lynch tim immediately without stopping to really think about it, we could once again be screwing ourselves over. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Kmacc on 05/29/09 at 09:18:39 I know the list should be taken very lightly, if regarded at all. I figured it would be false as well, I just wanted to bring it up. The only reason I said that coverup stuff with the list was because I'm suspicious of MVT (as I talk about more in the post), and that idea of the coverup just furthers my suspicious of MVT a bit I guess you can say. Edit: This is directed at superyoshi a few posts up. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/29/09 at 09:19:04 No I don't realize that, Cooper, because that's not true. Why would I be "fucked" for pointing out the fact that a totally inactive player is being allowed to live? The town did not pause or hesitate to kill Math off, so why would there be something in you that makes you want to keep Syzygy alive? He has done as little as Math had on Day 1, and now we're on Day 3 (Ivo, change the topic you silly goose!). I see no reason why he should not be our target today. Your reasoning for not lynching Syzygy is that we might "really be screwing ourselves over" if we lynch him without thinking about it. How are we really screwing ourselves over if he ends up being a townie, anyway? I'd much rather lose the guy whose mouth was locked shut and the key thrown away than the guy who has actually been playing. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/29/09 at 09:21:47 35040D0D35000D04610 wrote:
Well, looks like this list was false as we figured. Is it possible a mafia member is on the list and decided that killing off a non-mafia from that list (Matt) would make it look like they are all innocent? Whether or not that is true, I'm thinking there's still a mafia member in there regardless. 14252C2C14212C25400 wrote:
I've already quoted this in a post in Day Two, but just seeing this makes me think MVT is mafia. If you didn't want him dead, you wouldn't have constantly went at him, whether you imagined him killing himself or not. This just feels like a fake coverup that is your last chance to try and convert people into thinking it wasn't your fault and that you're innocent. I'm not buying it. vote: MVT [/quote] I think I have sufficiently defended myself. If you actually think that I am mafia at this point that's your decision, but you are making a big mistake. Nothing more I really have to say.[/quote] MVT, you have definitely defended yourself, but i don't think you have been as adamant of being town as in the last game. I'm not really suspicious of anyone right now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Kmacc on 05/29/09 at 09:25:02 Scott, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I acually agree with you! I voted Tim during Day Two because he's useless, and honko was suspicious of him. Also, from past games, whenever he had a power role he would defend himself a lot in order to stay alive, so I'm assuming he's not a town power role. Personally i think he is mafia, but for today I think it'd be better to go for MVT because he's suspicious as well. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/29/09 at 09:39:19 Perhaps MVT is mafia, but his lynch will have to wait if that is what you want to do. Today we lynch Syzygy because it's a much lower risk move than lynching MVT. Maybe tomorrow MVT could get some heat, but for now I think we need to focus on lynching Syzygy because it's much safer. MVT is the lead poster in this game, and it's nearly impossible for a mafia member to be the lead poster because he'd mess up eventually. The reason MVT is the lead poster is that when he is confused he simply posts more and more, trying to find answers. Good point on Syzygy's past behavior when holding a town power role. This scummy turd from across the ocean shall see his grave tonight! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by MVT on 05/29/09 at 09:47:01 Maybe I should have highlighted, If town lynched me they would be making a big mistake. Anyway I am not going to be around for a while so i advice you all to take my advice. Syzygy would be a better choice for the day. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/29/09 at 09:48:46 MVT, I don't think you needed to highlight that. Since you think Syzygy would be a better choice, why not help the cause? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by MVT on 05/29/09 at 09:52:17 VOTE - Syzygy Fair point Scott. Now I am leaving for the day. Good luck and best wishes town. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by KoopZ on 05/29/09 at 10:03:55 scott, i see where you're coming from with tim being inactive, and i'm not denying that in the slightest that he's been next to no help at all. however, i can almost guarantee you that someone will jump on you as mafia for actively campaigning against a townie who has been known to be a good player in this game. the reason we all jumped on math with no problem is that 1) he was a noob at the game and 2) showed no care for the game at all. we're talking two completely different classes of players here, which is the main reason why i say to let tim have a chance to defend himself. tyler, that wasnt much of a post as far as defending yourself goes. what's your take on things? what are your suspicions? what do you think about matt's death last night? edit - changed some wording a bit about tim |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/29/09 at 10:10:17 How has he proven himself at ALL in this game? He has not. In past games he has been a valuable town player....because he was on the town side. Come on, Cooper, you need to think about these things before saying them. It doesn't matter that Tim did a good job as a town power role in past games, the matter at hand is the fact that he hasn't said anything this game of value, and that should be a gigantic red flag. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Jabes on 05/29/09 at 10:10:56 Coop, you gotta stop reading so much into what I said in the first couple of posts in the game. In the last game I played, Etch was the town cop, and played his role perfectly, ergo I feel that he knows what he's doing and he does it with relative ease. I said that if he's town, then the town is going to be unstoppable. He's a great player, and has already proven that to be the case in this game as well. My only hope is that he really is town, and not just pulling the wool over our eyes. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Jabes on 05/29/09 at 10:44:58 Also, shouldn't it be Day 3 instead of Night 2? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/29/09 at 10:52:10 3935352A292E3F285A0 wrote:
I was trying to defend myself. I'm in the wait and see approach in this game. Not the clark approach of just being here. My take on things is that everyone is throwing out suspicious that may or may not be right. Everyone chooses what they post and most aren't going to out themselves as mafia no matter how much pressure is on themselves. I think the most can be learned through voting patterns and night actions. I'm going to wait and see how things go over the next 2 or so days before i absolutely accuse someone. I think matt was killed last night because someone on the mafia didn't like him. I don't think there is anything else to it. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Darius on 05/29/09 at 11:02:43 0D2E312C2A2D392B276E6E6F5E0 wrote:
Set-up speculation instead of commenting on players is classic mafia strategy. What does this have to do with anything? Why are you even bringing up the poisoner? 7254514453784E52494810210 wrote:
A few things here: First of all, yes, it is entirely Howes' fault. MVT, or anyone else in this game, is entitled to put as much pressure as they like on a player. As I said before, if Howes can't handle it, he shouldn't be playing. It's really that simple. Tim being 'too inactive' is not a pro-town tell. When he was mafia last he constantly dodged saying things. One day I remember him saying he was busy with homework and would post later, then never bothered to. Maybe he really was busy with homework; the point is, he did a lot of lurking then and he could be mafia doing the same now. As for Etch, I already pointed out why some of his advice has been bad and I really feel like he's bullying players like Padzup and MVT in this game by calling them idiot townies and so on. I'm definitely getting a far more aggressive read off him now than I have in the past when he was town. He's also kept hinting that he has a good idea who's town and who's mafia but so far I haven't seen much in the way of specific suspects. I also really don't like this: 4913484A4048421616230 wrote:
Oneshot ALWAYS posts like that, yet Etch is trying to point us towards other players who aren't saying much too. Why do that if you're a townie who should be suspicious of everyone? I think that clarifies fairly well how I feel about Etch right now. Scott: why are you pushing a fast Syzygy lynch? Yes, he is useless and we need to get him out, but what about the other players? I think we need to maximise our discussion time considering what happened with Howes. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Extol on 05/29/09 at 11:24:47 4345494B4B280 wrote:
I definitely agree with Kmacc here, I think the mafia took out Matt to make it look like Oneshot's list is false, thereby clearing their name from suspicion. So it is likely that there is/are mafia on that list. This brings me back to my speculation from before that either Etch or MVT are mafia, since they're both on the list. Right now i'm just not sure which one it is. I dont agree with Sportsguy saying that they killed him just cause they didnt like him. That to me makes Sportsguy seem pretty suspicious because killing him just cause they didnt like him would be a stupid move for the mafia. I'm keeping my eye on him. Tim is being pretty lame at this point with not posting. If he's town, hes not helping us at all, so vote: Syzygy for now. Whichever side he's on, if he gets enough votes on him, he'll likely start talking to try to defend himself, unless he just doesnt care about the game at all. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Padzup on 05/29/09 at 12:40:40 1D3B3E2B3C17213D26277F4E0 wrote:
vote: SuperYoshi1 |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by Jabes on 05/29/09 at 12:55:16 I can't understand why Tim isn't talking. This isn't usually how he plays... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 2] Post by KoopZ on 05/29/09 at 13:27:33 02252238292226231C233B293E4C0 wrote:
my bad joe, i misquoted what you said in that first post, i thought you were referring to the two of you as town players and not the town as a whole being unstoppable if etch is on the town side. and scott, i am thinking about what i'm saying. i'm trying to say to NOT act fast, to NOT end the day quickly, and to 1) give us more time to talk things out and 2) give tim a chance to prove himself, knowing full well that he can due to his previous activities in other games. just cuz he hasnt done it yet in this game doesnt automatically mean that he's useless to us. i'm really confused as to why you're trying to get us to bandwagon on tim right from the you joined the game. and padzup.... why did you vote for superyoshi? no explanation at all..... thats also really confusing me, please explain? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/29/09 at 16:59:18 Koopz : Padzup had already said at day 2 he wanted to some for me : Quote:
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Really? More likely you just don't want us to read the rest of it and form an opinion for ourselves. That is the point of the game, isn't it?[/quote] Yes it is, but I thought at this point of the game there wasn't much more to say about Honko seeing only about 3-4 posts had interesting contents, and it was Day 1. I wasn't going to "paraphrase" what Kmacc had just said. Quote:
For example a paranoïd guy could have (any player who visit him is instantly killed). But it is very likely that a vig made it Quote:
No, I meant that we got lucky that oneshot was mafia, not totally the same ; and I didn't notice that was already said in earlier posts, I wrote that when I saw the night actions. Quote:
I thought it would be a bit more risky for maf to kill an active player, since it would lead for the townies to try to lynch more likely guys whose the death players suspected. It was how I reasoned when I wrote that... Quote:
I don't understand much this. Which exact sentence are you reffering ? And no I didn't unvote MVT cos I think he wasn't (and isn't) enough suspicious in my eyes, as simple as that. Now I would like to know why I am more suspect than the other players in the game, if it is because I am a bad player, then it barely prove anything about me being either town or mafia... Going to bed now. Seems Syzygy won't post anymore in this thread, he will probably end up being modkilled for this day. I have doubts about him being mafia, but like I said previously, better get rid of useless players first. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Padzup on 05/29/09 at 18:39:24 Quote:
I suppose. There are things he missed but you'd also have to be looking for them to find them so it's understandable. Quote:
I'm going to finish that thought and say you're probably going to argue that that's why there was only one kill last night. I'm not going to harass you for coming up with possibilities but I can't shake the feeling that that may be what happened and you're just retelling it. At the same time you may be saying it to distract people from the truth until it's too late. On the other hand I would be surprised if there wasn't a vig and as such I'm thinking that either mafia roleblocked the vig and is going to kill him tonight or a town blocker got a mafia. Only Lenny has used a paranoid role so I'm not really sure that there would be one in this game. The target may also have been protected by the doc. This could mean that the doc may have protected a mafia who the vig failed to kill or that a town player could have been protected and either party could have failed to land the kill. In the case that the vig got blocked: do not roleclaim unless you feel it absolutely necessary for doc to save you. Even then you're trying your luck since doc might think you're mafia trying to get a free protect while the real vig is unable to land a kill. Roleclaiming would be unwise since it would be a better idea to simply give us the same information and let us find out your intentions when you are killed Night 3. If doc thinks he protected someone who was a target: be wary since they may be mafia, but don't claim. Quote:
You were the first to say it; I was just noting that you said it since it's a tell I've seen in every game played here. Also that's basically what I meant, that was bad wording on my part, sorry. But my point still stands given that you didn't really say much to deny it. That kind of statement dissuades town / vig that they're on the right track with taking out mafs; sometimes it is necessary but typically right after the beginning of a day it should raise some kind of red flag. Quote:
Unless they were on the wrong track, in which case it would help mafia out since they'd be buying themselves another day. Besides, this has already happened. People are trying to bandwagon Tim right off the bat. On that note: Scott, why are you trying to end the day? This lynch should not be "quick" since we have a lot to discuss. Town lost an entire day because of Howes' actions; trying to get to the next Night asap works in the mafia's favour. Think about it. Tim is a useless cunt but given that he hasn't tried to defend himself yet he's likely just a vanilla who's too pissed to care (similar to Math's situation). As a note to Honko and Ivo, these people should probably be banned from future games unless they can actually show they're willing to play regardless of their role. I am not denying that Tim may have realized this and figured that if he doesn't post at all he won't look like mafia but there are bigger fish to fry. If you are going to vote for him be cautious that you are able to put pressure on him but at the same time don't come close to ending the day. Quote:
"Where the fuck are you, man?" Seems like something someone would say if they were tagging along with a lynch and wanted to look like they cared. I didn't expect you to vote for MVT, like I said it would have been too obvious that you were jumping on whoever the target was at the time. Quote:
I mentioned most of them in the post you just replied to but others I have held back in the interest of curbing mafia's attempts to figure out which power roles exist in this game. Buttering me up was the last straw for me however and it's the main reason I voted for you. Quote:
This game I have seen various people advising that we should lynch inactive players. While this worked in previous games it seems too convenient for mafia to have a change of strat this game and use this trend to their advantage. On the whole this is a good thing since it means that town is going to have to work for the win from now on and everyone's game is starting to improve. Thanks for giving me a decent reply though SuperYoshi, most don't bother to do so when I'm on their back. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/29/09 at 21:21:17 I don't understand why everyone likes to delay days. In my earlier experience with this game, that seemed an obviously smart tactic, but I no longer believe such to be true. The faster the game moves, the more the town is in control. All that happens when we drag days out to their full length is townies get in fights. This constant bickering is simply ignored by the mafia members, and allowed to continue. This has happened on a large number of the days in our past games on the forum, and is most definitely detrimental to the town, as the focus of the game turns to two good players instead of the scumbags chilling out and moderating the scuffle. At this point in the game I have identified a person who is expendable. Syzygy's presence in the game is not helping the town in any way, and by killing him off, we either A-kill off a mafia member who is trying to hide; or B-kill off a townie who wasn't able to help with a vote, anyway. This makes further lynches in the game easier for the town because there are more active players who will be able to contribute to a vote majority (if he is town) or fewer mafia players (if he is scum). By waiting longer to end the day, you all claim that the town will be able to deduce more based on the actions and activities of the players involved. This seems to be true, but nothing good ever results from this extended period of waiting. It's not hard at all for the mafia to sit back while town bickers and be able to post enough to blend in. By ending the day sooner, we get the even greater information provided by a session of night activities. If, instead of killing off the inactive player now, we follow the route proposed by people who do not see this the same way as I, and lynch a more active player, we end up losing more, faster. By killing the inactive player now, the mafia are only able to kill off one active, contributing member of the town before tomorrow. By killing off the more active player, the mafia are able to kill off him, plus another person of their choosing at night. You can't seriously tell me you think the mafia players will start throwing out posts with "red flags" all the sudden here on Day 3....if you haven't seen any red flags by now, you won't be seeing any, ever. All we've killed by day so far have been townspeople so we should be glad we haven't been losing the power roles among us. At least those that remain are more informed than those vanillas being executed left and right. To Cooper (and others who have said similar things regarding Tim's status): I agree with you completely that Tim has been a useful player in past games for the Town, more than once, even! Doesn't it strike you as odd, then, that he suddenly appears to be of little to no value? This IS one of those "red flags" which people seem to be looking for, but they're simply acknowledging the fact that his behavior has changed tremendously and saying "Well, he'll change back soon enough." All you're doing is giving him an easy out. By assuming this position, and telling him exactly what he would need to do to please you, you're giving him the perfect opportunity to change his behavior in the game without being suspicious at all. He simply has to walk in tomorrow morning when he sees the thread, say he was gone for three days, and start posting as he did in past games. The problem with this that you would not be expected to notice is that he did NOT act like that on Day 1. What is done is done, and that is set. You can't sit there and say "Wow, he acted crazy on Day 1, but by redeeming himself on Day 3, we will not vote for him any more, he's obviously a great town player." |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/29/09 at 22:46:06 Just to somewhat clarify what I've said above, I want to point out that I'm not calling the town to ACCELERATE the speed of play, simply not to DELAY it. Purposely moving faster than convention would call for is harmful. What I'm saying is that it's equally harmful to purposely SLOW the game. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Darius on 05/30/09 at 02:25:34 Who's purposefully slowing the game? What we were saying is that you came in and said 'Tim's useless, let's get him out' as though that was going to be it for the day. No-one's slowing it down, we haven't even had 24 hours yet. 72555248595256536C534B594E3C0 wrote:
Where? Has he caught some mafia that I've missed? Has he made some amazing insights that are leading us to victory? I'd like it if people could read Etch critically and read my points against him, then say what they think of them, instead of calling Etch a great town player and leave it at that. 183F382233383C390639213324560 wrote:
What are you talking about? Last time he was mafia he lurked and didn't contribute much when he posted. In the last game he was town and you only have to read the last few pages of the game to see people bitching about how useless he is and how little he's posted. Does anyone here actually pay attention to posting styles or content? The more people get on Tim's back the more I'm convinced he's a vanilla townie who can't be bothered and the mafia are riding him to another easy lynch. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/30/09 at 08:24:59 That he's just a regular townie who can't be bothered IS probably the most likely scenario here, but killing that is still better than killing an active town player. Where IS everybody? This is pretty silly so far since I've joined...no one is posting. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by MVT on 05/30/09 at 08:33:41 Without Pobre we are lost. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Darius on 05/30/09 at 08:52:21 This is ridiculous. Normally I have pages to read whenever I leave my computer for a few hours. Now I come back and there are two posts? There must be a whole load of townies not even bothering with this game and it's incredibly easy for the mafia to either blend in with them or get them lynched. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Padzup on 05/30/09 at 08:59:57 <scott> ok guys im gonna repeat the sentiment that anyone having a reason for being mafia is obviously town but at the same time im gonna say that tim made a mistake so he must be mafia. also tim is wonderful and has been so helpful to us in past games except for the fact that he hasn't at all. but since nobody is paying attention aside from darius it doesnt matter since ill look right anyway! we should end the day asap because otherwise an active town might take out one of the bigwig mafs instead of the vanilla townie. ::) Darius, a piece of advice: you've already gone too far to not be nightkilled. Hang in there. Scott, you just contradicted yourself after Darius called you on it. Nice move bro. Maybe it's just me but I think that lynching a more active mafia is a far better call since those players have more control over town. The problem with this is obviously that it's harder to tell if an active player is mafia but town can't afford to not take risks at this point. Instead of being "quick and decisive" we should maybe actually talk it out for once instead of sticking with one person the entire day. We tried that and have yet to lynch a mafia. I'm doubting Tim's case will be much different. MVT: Sounds to me like you're saying "Without Pobre mafia is lost since Scott is such a terrible replacement mafia." Maybe I'm just paranoid of Pobre's ability to lead so I'm not going to look into it further than that. But if you are a town player saying this, do try not to discourage the better town players from posting since they already aren't doing it enough. Flo, Sword, Tim, George, Clark and Etch need to post pronto. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/30/09 at 09:22:01 Bye. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Padzup on 05/30/09 at 09:23:48 wat |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/30/09 at 09:34:46 Huh |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/30/09 at 09:48:33 Now almost half of the players (if not more) aren't posting anymore... even Etch :-/ I really don't know who to vote now, there are a lot of possible choices (too many inactive and/or useless players) I'm not sure if it's an enough useful move to go after an inactive, probably that it won't help the town much. I hope the game will go better in a few hours... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Darius on 05/30/09 at 10:04:56 SuperYoshi: are you just trying to wind me up by saying 'even Etch'? I made a case against Etch. I pointed out why I don't think he's being helpful and why he's suspicious. I asked people to critically read his posts and respond to my points. Could you do that for me? If you don't think he's suspicious, can you point out why you think he's such a good townie, preferably with some examples? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Darius on 05/30/09 at 10:10:24 Scott: how about you tell us your thoughts on some other players apart from Tim and MVT? So far all we've had is you pushing the Tim lynch and suggesting that MVT probably isn't mafia because he posts too much for that. As you've replaced someone who hasn't posted at all, we need a lot more than that from you. Admitting that it's likely that Tim is just an inactive townie who can't be bothered really doesn't help your case. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Etch on 05/30/09 at 11:29:15 Fuck it, you guys are such cowards. ::) Can we please lynch someone to move this shit along? It doesn't sound like anyone here is much the wiser after last night. I guess lynching Syzygy is okay from what Kmacc mentioned. I still see active posters who are mafia as a bigger threat because how do we know that everyone is actually peforming the night actions? It could be just the same guy carrying out all the hits since no one else has bothered to show up. Anyone who thought Howes and Karterfreak were mafia should be dead. It's the mafia's goal to get us to lynch innocent people. Maybe it's just me but why can't some of you see through these bullshit posts? The mafia will lie no matter what to make you think otherwise. At least to me, they are playing a pretty good game while most of the town is just sitting on their ass and scratching their head if I am mafia or not. Maybe if you guys got with the fucking program, you wouldn't read into some posts too much because the idea of the game is to try and brainwash the town from the mafia's side. I rather lynch a trouble maker than randomly pick off inactive players. People we should definitely kill, Clark, MVT, Syzygy, Darius, and Cooper. If you guys can't see that these guys have helped raise suspicion against real townies or have tried to blend in than you need to be shot. I don't exactly know wtf Darius and Cooper's strategy is but I have found their information useless, only thing I have against them. I am not ready to go out on a limb and say others are mafia yet because we got enough good candidates to lynch for a few days. Depending on how the game develops, maybe someone else will pop up. Padzup suicided last game so he's like on neither team, lol. Vote: MVT |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/30/09 at 11:35:09 Sorry i haven't been on today. I had a golf tournament. I think we should go ahead and lynch someone to speed up the process. With that being said Vote Syzygy He has the most votes so i'll vote for him to hopefully speed things up. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by MVT on 05/30/09 at 11:40:44 Etch is definitely the most irrational player in the game right now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/30/09 at 11:53:24 Lol, MVT. Darius: The only reason I went right for Syzygy from the get-go is because attacking someone that was here the whole time wouldn't have gotten any support at all. I was going to make the same post at Cooper, but he's been lurking enough that there would've been more backlash. I don't know why you want me to comment on other players who I'm not going after right now...that only creates more confusion for the town. We need to have one mind, one thought...not eighteen different threads going at the same time and constant fighting among ourselves. If I start throwing out names of people left and right, there's no unity and people just get mad. From my first post (deleted, obv) I've been trying to show everyone here that the way you've been playing (pointless bickering) just will not work. Get it together, guys. Etch/MVT: You two have some nice friction brewing there....MVT's capable of creating insanity out of nothing, but I don't know if that means he's mafia or just worked up because he's confused as hell ;D |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by MVT on 05/30/09 at 11:57:15 Town is spiraling towards disaster. What else can I say? I have defended against every word negatively placed against me. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/30/09 at 11:59:06 MVT: Cool it, okay? You get too worked up over nothing, all the time. You're fine. Just chill. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Etch on 05/30/09 at 12:05:28 If Syzygy is mafia, that is definitely a lucky kill. He hasn't said anything which only leaves us guessing. I still feel that there is a chance he is town since some people are too eager to kill him despite the fact there are other players just as inactive. What makes him such a great target over say Clark? I don't know why you guys want to keep people who are still pointing their finger at town players. The people who have died recently are all town and yet you guys feel like it's okay keeping those who obviously have no clue who is who? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by MVT on 05/30/09 at 12:07:44 However clueless you say I am Etch, that doesn't mean I am mafia. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Kmacc on 05/30/09 at 12:12:01 48797070487D70791C0 wrote:
I'm not even going to ask your role, it's not needed. Just by you saying that would put you at risk of a night kill just because you're putting it out there that you're especially important in some way. So either way you'd be screwing yourself here if you were town. Very basic cover-up tool mafia uses. Also MVT, it only seems like you put your vote on Syzygy because Scott told you to rather than wanting to do it yourself, and if you didn't follow it then you would look bad. 65545D5D65505D54310 wrote:
Actually, Etch is making a whole lot of sense. Maybe this is because me and him think similar, so I understand where he is coming from, and he's being very straightforward about it. For now my vote still stays on MVT. I am still suspicious of Syzygy but there's some doubt in my mind as to whether he's mafia or needledick. I'm not going to fall for what MVT is saying. If you guys think he's telling the truth, then we all must be telling the truth. You guys are always inclined to believe that nobody is ever lying, you'll never make it anywhere in this game that way. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Padzup on 05/30/09 at 12:29:43 0F35122E27320701292922122E2F2821460 wrote:
are you talking to yourself? :-? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/30/09 at 12:33:39 There is something definitely weird about Tim. He has been online quite times since his last post in the game (at Day 1), and has probably checked the topic at least to see what were the night actions. Seeing how many votes are on him now, I'm convinced he would have posted at least something to defend himself, even if he is a lazy ass and would have posted again one of his one-liners. I starting thinking he could have been silenced by someone since day 2. Just think about it. Syzygy is a perfect target for a silencer : a little poster who doesn't really implicate himself into the game. Easy for the mafia to make think at townies that his absence of posts could be explain by lazyness, even more in a closed set up when town ignore about the existence of a silencer, eh ? It could explain as well why many people are going after him rather than someone. It's just a thought I got earlier, and it may be crazy, but if it turn out to be true, then we could learn loads from him... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/30/09 at 12:38:20 Can some mod tell me if Syzygy watched recently or is watching the thread ? Same for other players who haven't posted for a while... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Borgeman on 05/30/09 at 15:40:32 good morning all :) just a few of my own observations: i know scott is trying to get some action going on in this rather slow game, but from reading his posts, to me he sounds like a mafia seeing the opportunity to score an easy town lynch unthe the guise of 'as a town we should get rid of the lurkers'. dont get me wrong, i agree with the idea syzygy should probably die today, but just the way scott has being going about it doesnt sit right with me. clark is my other big question mark. not many posts, fine, but read what he has posted - mostly short ones agreeing with someone and possibly half justifying the lack of anything in previous posts. if a person is town, at some point within the first couple of days they are going to say something reasonably informative, yet clark hasnt George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/30/09 at 22:14:47 Yes, George, there are MANY players who have kept their mouth zipped shut lately. Yesterday morning, Clark was in IRC talking to me and Honko for quite a while, yet he never posted in the mafia topic. I basically chose Syzygy in my first post because he didn't vote for Math (even though this might be because he wasn't aware of the situation?). Instead, he kept his joke vote on Superyoshi, a great way for the mafia to spread out their votes to avoid too much collective voting. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Borgeman on 05/31/09 at 01:36:52 ha, ive been gone all day at work, and only one post [smiley=flush.gif] meh i dunno, there hasnt been enough posting full stop.... like i agreed, syzygy is probably the best lynch, but clark in particular stood out cause of the few posts he made, they we all empty - if the other low post players made a decent post or two, they blend in more (not to say that makes them town, but they stick out a little less). outside of people who are eager to play, the more important the role you have, the more motivated you are to play. so if you were a bit meh to begin with and get a vanilla role, youd stay quite meh (and in some cases, lose interest and not really wanna play). but if you got say godfather or cop or something, youd probably get more interested right off the bat and get involved. now plain mafia role is interesting gameplay wise, so youd probably play the game, but since you dont have to dig for info, you will aim to "participate" and then take someone out at night. so those 2-3 post per day players i lean initally towards being mafia, because they arent really contributing but are being involved. people who essentially dont post are probably town who cbf, or mafia who dont wanna say anything stupid at all, so they dont post. of course here, if they have heat on them and they start to post suddenly, that may give them away, which them gives them more reason to be involved as i said above. ill give some examples - name with each days posts: clark - 5 posts, 1 post none syzygy - 3, none, none extol - 3, 5, 1 flo - 4, none, none im gonna quickely re-read the topic and post again someone tell me how long till day 3 is meant to end? George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Borgeman on 05/31/09 at 02:23:59 ok i lied, i only read through until howes sneezed his brains out. i got some posts off the low posters... extol has said a few good things in his posts, so ill leave it at that :) flo didnt really say much tho in one post he said he was busy till his exam on the next day (27th), and that was 4 day ago.... 6A6063607E60190 wrote:
it could be he hasnt posted up until now there hasnt been any push to vote him till now (ty scott), we'll see if he posts.. 66646B6B6A6B666964776E050 wrote:
simple post agreeing with another person, getting 'involved' 27252A2A2B2A272825362F440 wrote:
robin was on the front foot, trying to get people to talk, the first few votes cant have any reasoning cause no one has posted anything, and as we know robin was town and first killed.... 4F4D424243424F404D5E472C0 wrote:
6 pages, with half of it crap, isnt alot to read, and he jumps on the wagon late by agreeing with everyone else. this post in particular stuck out at me like a sore thumb. so really, syzygy and flo for no posting, and clark for blending in too much. i still think clark, tbh mainly cause of that last post i quoted. id like to hear from him so he can douse my suspicions... George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Darius on 05/31/09 at 03:52:13 Apologies for the length of this but there are quite a lot of things I think need pointing out and I need several quotes to do that. 2872292B2129237777420 wrote:
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I have bolded some parts that I think require particular attention. First of all, the obvious contradictions. Etch is acting like he was certain that Howes and karterfreak were town, yet here I have quoted posts where he suggests that Howes could be mafia and implies that Matt is suspicious for choosing him to vote for over everyone else. After they're both dead, he says anyone who thought they were mafia is an idiot and should be dead. He even praises one of Padzup's posts then calls them 'bullshit posts' later on. Which townies did I help to raise suspicion against apart from Howes? I called Howes on some suspicious posts, which I am perfectly entitled to do. Apart from that, I don't know whether any of the alive players are townies, so I find it pretty ridiculous that Etch is asking other players why they can't see players like me are trying to raise suspicion against 'real townies'. Real townies don't know anything for sure unless they have information roles. For example, if I suspect SuperYoshi, how does anyone know if I'm pointing fingers at a townie? The only people who know that are the mafia. He insists that mafia are always going to lie yet acts as though we're supposed to believe his posts are all truth. Now look at the last two bolded parts. First he says he won't go out on a limb and say who is mafia because we still have plenty of candidates to lynch. Then he says we should get rid of people who have no clue who is who. How come he won't go out on a limb yet he criticises others for having no idea who is who? I have an idea, I think it's just pretty different from his. Right now Etch is trying to lead the town mainly through bullying and calling people cowards and idiots. If he's town and thinks I'm mafia he's already on the wrong track. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Darius on 05/31/09 at 04:12:21 Onto some other players: Clark, Flo and Tim are all useless. Borgeman makes some good points against Clark in particular but he seems to be focusing on the largely inactive players. Also, note that Oneshot voted for Flo and MVT, Flo right after Honko did. Knowing how easily Flo got himself lynched in a previous mafia game, I find it unlikely that Oneshot would stick a second vote on Flo at that stage of the game if they were mafia together. Borgeman: what is your opinion of me? Do you find me suspicious for my points against Etch? Do you support an MVT lynch? SuperYoshi: you completely ignored my last post, so I'll assume you're certain that Etch is town and you didn't even see the point in responding to me. You also seem to be fairly sure that Tim is town as you seem to have brought up the silencer to try and defend him. Do you think some of the people voting for him are mafia? Scott: I want you to comment on other players because if I read the thread back, particularly if a mafioso dies, and I see that you've avoided commenting on that player, I'm going to think you're more suspicious. If I see you were very suspicious of that player, I'm going to think you're pro-town. I need reasons to trust you and coming into the game and pushing for a quicklynch does not make you trustworthy. If you're town, you ought to be analysing everyone. If people have an overly aggressive reaction then use it to help you work out if they're mafia or not. Having 'one mind' and 'one thought' is ridiculous because it'd just stifle everyone's independent analysis and could easily lead to mafia-led lynches. Tyler: why do you think someone in the mafia doesn't like Matt? Do you have someone specific in mind? Cooper: You're very quiet after you were quite keen to contribute in the last game. What do you think of the Tim lynch now that he still hasn't posted? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/31/09 at 04:19:28 Now the game will be even less active since I'm leaving for around 12 hours, probably 24. Chances are I won't be back for the end of the day, sorry guys :( Borgeman : Yes I agree with you, Clark could be a better choice than Syzygy, cos his posts correspond more to a typical mafia play style. Basically he is just following the global thinking. Indeed Clark didn't get pressured once unlike Syzygy, which is leading the votes, so he doesn't even need to post and can stay in the game with some players not even noticing him. I still think Syzygy would have already post when so close to death, and that he got silenced; I would like to give him a last chance but it's probably too late to avoid the lynch with so few active players :-/ Darius : I know what you mean now about Etch now, I didn't notice all this contradictions you highlighted (although Howes's roleclaim could have changed his opinion about him). He acts like he knows everything about the game (actually like Pobre in a previous game). That does not make him mafia, and he hasn't defended anyone yet iirc, but it tends to confuse the town which don't really know what to do exactly. So here is my vote for this day : Vote : %hat See you next day maybe... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 05/31/09 at 04:24:50 I just saw Darius last post. I use my last minutes remaining for saying this : In short I find it suspicious that Scott jumped immediately on Syzygy after he joined the game, and he claimed that no one cared about him when I was actually voting for him the 2 first days for his lack of interest. Sounds like he ignored my first posts. I will answer more the next day. I don't have time anymore... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Borgeman on 05/31/09 at 04:55:36 Darius: i dont find you suspicious at all, i think your love for the town is quite strong :-* - your points are very valid. i havent aimed to focus on the inactive playes but i guess thats happened because im still waiting to read something from the more detailed posters before addressing them - and your sentiments are shared darius :) though i did agree with some of etch's early posts, it was more because no one else really had substance at that point, as oppose to me saying "etch is town". no one is town until they are dead, or you learn it through some power role. finally, on the MVT lynch, im pretty neutral on that one - he is a bit of a nut, but he hasnt done anything i find mafia - if anything, his one on one with howes makes him seem town to me, given the nature of the stoush while we are here, id like to know what you think of me daruis...... [smiley=beer.gif] George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Darius on 05/31/09 at 07:08:37 Well, I've already said that I think you've focused a bit too much on the inactive players thus far. Earlier on in the game I thought you weren't contributing a great deal and were trying to stay under the radar but your input has got better as the game has gone on. Your analysis of the lowest posters was quite accurate, although you were pretty brief on Extol, I'd like to hear what you think was good about his posts. I agree with your thinking on Scott, I don't like the way he's approached the Tim lynch at all. Overall, I thought you were scummy earlier but you're leaning towards town for me right now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by ☆Sword☆ on 05/31/09 at 07:10:48 Sorry I haven't posted yet, I'm not gonna fish for any excuses but I do apologise for lack of posting. I was going to wait for more people to say something but it turns out hardly anyone is saying anything. This is making it ridiculously easy for the mafia, as all they have to do is wait for someone to vote someone, then they can blend in and bandwagon the person and get them killed. Therefore some of the people who voted for the people who were lynched at the end of the day are likely mafia. There are quite alot of people not saying much at all ... Clark, Flo, Syzygy, and myself being the main people. I joined this game the same time as Scott though ... so this is the first day of my posting really, as I said I'd replace during the Night Phase of Day 1 and Ivo agreed nearing the end of Day 2, so I didn't say anything then. It's possible those who aren't posting are mafia's in the lurking, but don't spend the whole day talking about them. We should focus more on the players who have given us basis to work off rather than making a fuss over the inactives. That's also why I believe this day has been moving so slowly; everyone is talking about Syzygy not posting and his hiding, but he hasn't given us anything to work off, so in the end we are just guessing and its a case of "Should we risk it or not?". He hasn't posted anything suspicious, but not posting anything makes him a target. Same goes for Flo & Clark. The people who are just watching and waiting for something to happen, which will never come. What I meant was, don't try to spend the whole day talking about people who aren't posting enough and telling them to post, because it just doesn't get us anywhere. It just seems to me that several people are trying to dictate to what is going on because there are about 4 different debates going on at the same time, and there are a bunch of clueless townies who have no idea what to do. We all need to agree on a plan. Hard to do that when there are only 6 people making a reasonable amount of posts ... If you want me insight on anything, go ahead and ask. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Kmacc on 05/31/09 at 07:24:32 This activity, as small as it's been lately, has actually been pretty helpful. :) I think Darius said this (too lazy to look) that Scott looks suspicious for jumping in and trying to get a quick lynch right away. Personally I disagree, even though quick lynching isn't always the smartest move to do, and probably isn't now either. The point is that if Scott were mafia just put into the game, chances are he would not jump out right away into the open, he would stay put for a bit and not post like he has because he's putting himself at bigger risk. Etch's posts are just the way he is, can't change that. You guys only pick up on the contradictions though, not the other things he says, like who's suspicious and who we should go for. Those could be important later down the road. Even if you think he's suspicious, for now we go for the more suspicious people. Clark: Definitely what George said. I've been suspicious already, saying he should be killed night two if they didn't kill MVT. I didn't say this just because he's inactive, it's cause he's suspicious and I fel like he's hiding something. MVT: If you haven't read all of my other posts already about him, read them. I feel I bring up pretty valid points about him. Him or Clark would be our best lynches for today, but MVT may be better due to his activeness, clark doesn't pose much of a threat n terms of speaking here. Syzygy: He's either mafia or needledick, but at least he's expandable. We should hold off on him and go with one of the two above instead. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Kmacc on 05/31/09 at 07:28:03 Sword, I want your insight. :-* The mafia page messed up my vote from my first post of day three, counting it as day two. So: vote: MVT |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Borgeman on 05/31/09 at 07:36:26 Quote:
lol, i love that word - scum - spits so well off the tongue ::) you know what, i re-read extols posts, and his 2 longest ones did some analysing of various people, had some stuff in there that could be worked on. but when i was looking earlier, i didnt expect any of those 4 guys to have posts of any substance, and when i saw extol's posts i assumed there was some good stuff in there, thus didnt bother reading and "left it at that" [smiley=chairshot.gif], but yeas its not all garbage in his posts well since we only have about 24hrs left (i think), we really need to decide what to do. George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Borgeman on 05/31/09 at 07:45:22 2B2D212323400 wrote:
just keep in mind tho that these observations could be made up on the fly, which is why the contradictions appear. generally a townie would say 'i fucked up' when they go after a fellow townie, and you will see that brutal honesty in the post, but mafia veil their shit, by pointing the finger at others... 2B2D212323400 wrote:
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by KoopZ on 05/31/09 at 08:44:43 @ darius - at this point, i'm think i'd be ok with lynching tim. i thought he would come in and say something eventually, but after like 3-4 consecutive days of no posting.... thats a bit ridiculous. his last post was yesterday, so its not like he hasnt been online at all. someone raised the possibility of him being silenced, and thats believable if you ask me, but at the same time...... i dont know, its the logical thing to do, but i still think better of tim than that. at this point, i'd be more inclined to go for the people who's posts arent saying much. george brought up some good points against flo and clark, and of the two of them i'm leaning more towards flo. i know i was with MVT in the beginning in arguing to keep him around cuz he could potentially be useful, but he went from terrible posting to posting next to nothing at all.... and what he has posted hasnt said anything except for "i'll be back later to post more i promise", and then he never does. so on that note, i'm going to place my vote on flo. vote: flo1 |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by MVT on 05/31/09 at 08:59:56 At this point in the game I see a lot of guesswork being done. No one really has a clue what to do and Etch pointed out that we should kill any clueless townies. So I guess everyone should die... ::) Anyways I find Syzygy and Flo to be suspicious for posting ZERO. I would love to spew on forever and talk more but truthfully what is there more to say? They haven't posted so we should lynch them, end of story. This should be as easy as Math on day one. He was insulting the game by those posts and these 2 are insulting the game by not posting. I'm keeping my vote. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Padzup on 05/31/09 at 10:32:00 On lynching an inactive player: what do we learn from their death? If they are mafia, they haven't said much for us to go on so we don't get any leads on the other mafs; if town, there isn't even a maf killed. That isn't to say that they aren't mafia or that we should never lynch them but it might be a better idea to either have the vig go for them or to go for the more dangerous people first. The former would be the safest play I'm thinking, but at the same time the vig may have ideas of his own. There's no reason a vig has to listen to anyone else in the game and as such there's no reason to expect him to do so. In short the vig should probably go for Tim as long as he doesn't feel strongly about anyone else. Town should concentrate on making an informed decision in a lynch (this includes not voting because it's "too late" to vote for anyone else). Borgeman, to help you out a bit, here's another Flo quote: 0E352A3D306D65656D5C0 wrote:
Flo said he didn't believe in swearing on anything the last game he was in, why would he do it here? He also said it out of nowhere and there was really no reason to say it at the time. Given his lack of posting I am not sure how to read this. MVT, that argument is weak given that it's the consensus so far. Your posts lately have mainly consisted of "[opinion that everyone else shares], what more is there to say since it's already been said?" Cut that out. I'd rather you not post at all than have you wasting everyone's time. If you think Etch is wrong then do something about it instead of retorting with crap like that. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/31/09 at 11:28:10 Padz: In reference to the first line of your last post, we gain another night worth of night actions AND have a better % of active town players to assist on future lynches. It's easier to lynch a maf when there is less dead weight hanging on. Darius: You shouldn't have such "set" criteria for evaluating players. You basically just told everyone what they would need to do to be "innocent" in your eyes, so now the mafia (who are the only ones who will be right 100% of the time) can easily follow those standards and be safe in your eyes; not a good idea. You also call for "analysis" on everyone in the game from every player. All this means is you want every single person to put out their best guesses on every single other person...that's kind of goofy! Just gets you into trouble, because of the standards you set forth earlier. If I posted right now telling every single person I'm suspicious of and why, there would be an uproar! And if just one or two of those people I posted about were actually town, the town's endless bickering would start again, leading to only more confusion and disarray. How in the world could Flo be mafia, lol. Clark's been around, because I know he's gone golfing the last two days and I've talked to him over an hour both days in IRC. Never specifically reminded him of the Mafia game, but he never mentioned it either. Perhaps he's just forgot about it, which would be a vanilla tell. MVT's still confused up the butthole, leave him the hell alone before he self-destructs. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/31/09 at 11:38:56 Oh, nearly forgot this piece. Superyoshi: Yes I know you were going after Syzygy earlier on, the problem was that you were the ONLY one going after him or even acknowledging his existence :P. If we were to diagram the state of the game with bubbles representing players and lines representing associations, Tim and you at the end of Day 1 would be totally off on your own in la-la land ;D Lol, don't worry about it. Vote counts for right now: Syzygy-4 MVT-2 Clark-1 Superyoshi-1 Flo-1 There are 17 players left in the game, meaning 9 votes are required for a majority. This Day started 3 hours and two days ago, meaning there are just under 21 hours left in Day 3. Oh, and I edited my posts that happened on Day 3 when the title still said Night 2, so my vote for Syzygy would appear properly in the mafia.cgi page. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Etch on 05/31/09 at 13:15:51 I don't know about you guys but this game is sort of dynamic. Instead of jumping to conclusions, I like to leave a number of possibilities open before I make up my mind. It's the assholes here who can't make up their mind to lynch someone which is slowing the town down leaving this to chance. Stop wasting your time digging up quotes and making connections that don't exist. I'd think at least some of you retards would get on the same page by now. Maybe you guys are just being extra cautious but the goal right now is to lynch a mafia in case you forgot the object of the game. My gut tells me mafia won't try and defend another mafia on the chopping block but if it's a townie, they are more likely to throw up a vote or two to at least get the rest of town to go along with it. I haven't seen any strong support for MVT so maybe he got thrown under the bus or is just confusing the hell out of the rest of town. You guys are too busy mulling over mundane details which are clouding the truth. Town only wins as a team, it does us no good if you idiots just sit there hoping you are lynching the right guy or worst case not voting at all. Since it's anyone's guess to what Syzygy's role might be, just hope and pray that he better be mafia. Only reason why I think that could be the case is because he would at least chime in once or twice if he was town and was getting ready to be killed. I don't want anymore townies lynched during the day. Right now, I feel better lynching Clark over Syzygy. My suspicions still remain but I can't lynch someone by myself. If you guys just want to keep bullshitting, go right ahead. I hope mafia wins at this rate. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Kmacc on 05/31/09 at 13:25:55 Bottom Line: MVT should be voted for today because he is mafia. I wish I was vig so MVT would have been dead last night at the very least. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Darius on 05/31/09 at 13:31:11 Scott: Those aren't my only criteria, nor do I have a rigid system for evaluating who's mafia and who isn't. That's just one method I use to tell if people are mafia and if they see what I've said and try distancing themselves from their mafia buddies, chances are it'll come across as forced and we'll be able to see through it. I didn't say you should post everything you think, either. I'm just saying we barely have anything from you right now and nothing at all from your predecessor. If players haven't said that much about other players, they're often mafia trying to avoid saying anything committal. Cooper's vote on Flo interests me a lot. He admits that George has brought up good points against both of them, yet goes for Flo instead of Clark when I think in George's case it was clear that Clark said the more suspicious things. I don't see how going for Flo over Clark is a logical choice and it makes me wonder even more about Clark's alignment after his earlier efforts to blend in. Vote: Clark |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Kmacc on 05/31/09 at 13:37:28 I'm jumping on this bandwagon. I don't care what you over-analyzers say. :-* If you guys aren't going to take out MVT then we're gonna have to take out Clark. Maybe you guys can lynch MVT tomorrow or vig can kill him, then those actually suspicious of MVT can say "I told you so." unvote vote: %hat |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Etch on 05/31/09 at 13:38:01 I still think a lot of bullshit here is to discredit my ideas so the mafia gets the rest of town to not vote with me. That's definitely a good idea if a mafia is getting ready to get their ass lynched. I don't see enough of you guys voting for MVT by the day's end, I am going with Clark over Syzygy. Good vote Darius, no hard feelings. ;D unvote Vote: %hat |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Sportsguy001 on 05/31/09 at 14:58:11 Unvote Vote Clark Lots of people worthy of getting lynched for various reasons. Clark's one of them so i'll continue the trend of the posters above me. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Borgeman on 05/31/09 at 15:24:33 Vote: Clark At least my thoughts on him were shared 8-) George Edit: typo |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Jabes on 05/31/09 at 15:37:37 While i do agree that clark isnt participating, i am still on the fence about him being mafia. I already said in a previous post that clark has been mafia in two out of the three games hes played, so going 3 out of 4 would be ridiculous. That being said, i find it difficult to believe that hes mafia again. As much as i hate to do it, useless players in games really need to go... Vote: Clark |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Extol on 05/31/09 at 17:21:19 my apologies for not being around enough as i'd like to be, i've been trying to read the topic as much as possible even though i hardly have time to make good analyzing posts.. after reading all that has been said, it looks like Clark is going to be the low-post guy to be lynched today. His posts are always ambiguous and dont really present anything suspicious, but at the same time they dont present much of anything at all, so lets hope we're making the right choice here.. unvote vote: Clark i think we need one more vote for Clark at this point to lynch him |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/31/09 at 17:53:23 Lol, wow. This afternoon right before I left, I saw Syzygy was online and was 100% expecting to see a post from him when I got back. I return now, and there's no post from him...what the heck is with that! I can't believe he wouldn't even post to protect or defend himself. This doesn't make any sense! Off the top of my head there are three reasons he could do this. One is that he is vanilla and doesn't give a crap and thought whatever he said, he would not be able to talk. A second is that he is mafia and if he went down, he didn't want to implicate anyone else (which he wouldn't, as he hasn't implicated anyone haha). A third would be that he has been *gasp* silenced. I seriously hope that isn't the case, haha. I think this day WAS productive for the town because we finally got along more than we fought. In previous days there was an amazing amount of simple bickering that didn't help anyone at all. Today everyone was more calm. When the town is able to keep their cool, it's harder for the mafia to blend in, so they will post even less. There are a few people who have started to grow on the suspect list through the day today. I wouldn't be surprised if Cooper or MVT doesn't make it through the night, even. Glad Sword got his word in before this all ended, good job of showing up and confirming to everyone that he is a full-blooded townie :) . I'll go ahead and finish this off on Clark. My goal at the start of the day was to get the town to kill off an inactive player who had appeared scummy. Instead of Tim it will end up being Clark, but the result I wanted still occurs. I expected Syzygy to at least respond when I pressured him, but that never happened. Why? I don't quite know, but it's too late to change that now. I still personally think Syzygy has a better chance of being mafia than Clark, but that's probably just because I had a feeling about him from the get-go....who knows. Ivo signed off IRC about 30 minutes ago, so I hope he's still awake to start the Night now...don't want the next Day to start at the same time this one did, that was inconvenient to me :-/ unvote Vote: Clark |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by Borgeman on 05/31/09 at 18:11:50 Quote:
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 05/31/09 at 18:40:16 I know...I've talked to Clark for a total of over two hours in the last two days, and he hasn't posted :) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 3] Post by MVT on 05/31/09 at 19:30:31 Clark has 8 votes. 9 are needed to kill. I was gone all fucking day but in the end I think this is a good lynch. I STILL feel that syzygy is a bigger problem. But what the hell. Clark is JUST AS BAD for not posting ANYTHING. He is either vanilla town or mafia. Let's hope for the latter. Night 3 should begin after this post... vote clark edit oh I guess he is already dead.. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 3] Post by Ivootjes on 06/01/09 at 11:58:18 Clark has been lynched. He was the mafia Godfather Night 3 started some hours ago :P |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 3] Post by Jabes on 06/01/09 at 12:05:59 Did you want me to lock this for you? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 3] Post by KoopZ on 06/01/09 at 20:40:49 if its night, then it should be locked, yes. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 3] Post by Etch on 06/02/09 at 08:25:28 Waiting on you Ivootjes. :P |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 3] Post by Ivootjes on 06/02/09 at 10:05:16 I'm here :) Cooper has died, he was just a regular townie Borgeman has died, he was the towns vigilante Day 4 has started, this day will last 72 hours |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Ivootjes on 06/02/09 at 10:16:15 I also updated the first post 1. Honko - Died night 1, regular townie 2. Flo1 3. One Shot (Johnny wishbone) - Died night 1, Mafia Goon 4. Isthatagoodthing (replaced pobre) 5. Kmacc 6. Padzup 7. Sword (replaced BB-X) 8. Clark (%Hat) - Lynched day 3, mafia godfather 9. Syzygy 10. Koopz - Killed night 3, regular townie 11. Superyoshi 12. Karterfreak - Killed night 2, regular townie 13. Etch 14. Andrew Math - Lynched day 1, regular townie 15. Sportsguy 16. Howes - Modkilled day 2, regular townie 17. MVT 18. Extol 19. Darius 20. Jabes 21. Borgeman - Killed night 3, town vigilante With 13 players alive, 7 votes are needed for a lynch |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/02/09 at 10:20:21 OMG! There are so much townies that died this night. But that's a good point that 1 mafia also died last day. I'll try to help you a bit more now because I'm really sorry about that but I had a lot of work this week and I totally forgot I was in this game xD. I'll try to be a lot more active by now, but first, I have to read as many posts as I can... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/02/09 at 10:30:00 Good luck with that, Flo! You have much to read. Shame we lost a vigilante...if we weren't completely fucked before, we may be now. Cooper's gone, lost a regular townie there...at least it wasn't another power role eliminated. Extol must be mafia. Few posts, even though they're usually detailed. Voted for Syzygy at first then swapped over to the Clark train (very late). Classic mafia play. vote: Extol |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Kmacc on 06/02/09 at 10:34:59 We aren't in such bad condition now, especially if we lynch a mafia today, which we should. vote: MVT Need I explain myself yet again? Finally good to see Flo in the game. However both George and Cooper were suspicous or voted for him throughout the game, and now they're dead. That doesn't look too good for Flo. I'll wait for more from Flo, cause right now I'm leading towards him possibly being mafia as well. Unfortunately I didn't see much from Cooper or George's post, although I really only skimmed them a bit. George was very suspicious of Clark, but Clark died already so nothing to learn from that. Cooper was suspicious of Sportsguy earlier on, but I think it was day one, can't remember off the top of my head. That's it for now, maybe more later. EDIT: @Scott: Why do you think Extol is mafia besides those two small reasons? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 06/02/09 at 11:02:03 Hmmm... 2 townies dead tonight ? Do people here think Borgeman could have killed Cooper ? I find it very unlikely, there were better target than him, and I don't think George mentioned Cooper as possible suspect. Maybe mafia still as a special power role that allow them to kill more that one people at night, or maybe there is a paranoîd guy around... Btw, I don't need to do many comments about the huge obvious bandwagon last day ::) Good thing Clark was actually mafia, but it's clear enough mafs put some votes in to follow the general thinking. Scott mentioned Extol, and he could a good example of mafia guy, as he jumped late on it, but I think there are 1 or 2 others as well in the bandwagon. I will read again more carefully the last posts + votings patterns. Quote:
Weird you say that when "only" 2 townies died. :-? Edit : corrected typos |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/02/09 at 11:02:49 Vote: MVT I hope no one fucked up night actions on the town side. I suggest you guys all vote for MVT so we kill another mafia quickly. I am also pretty sure Flo is mafia as well so whoever we don't kill during the day can be taken out over night. Let's try and move this shit along please. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/02/09 at 11:05:37 I still can't believe that Clark, AGAIN, turned out to be mafia. I'm really beginning to wonder just how "random" the process really is... In any event, this makes me look bad because I defended him for a good amount of time, yet I never pushed for anyone else. It also makes me look bad because the swing was already in full effect, and I jumped on rather late, still saying that it just wouldn't make sense that Clark would be mafia in 75% of the games he's played. I'd like to hear from MVT and Flo a lot more today, and all of the other people who were silent for the last couple of days. I don't care if they're mafia or not, in a game that revolves around posting, if you don't post, you shouldn't be playing. End of story. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/02/09 at 11:15:15 Vote MVT I'm not sure he is mafia, but he seems the most suspicious. To me Etch and Jabes are most likely town. I think i have a pretty good read on them at the moment. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/02/09 at 11:18:11 663C67656F676D39390C0 wrote:
Our vigilante was just killed, so who is going to take out Flo during the night. Unless we have two vigs. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/02/09 at 11:22:04 In past mafia games there was a guy who had a scan, protect, kill power. It's possible Ivootjes has someone like that in this game too. If there is a mafia protector, it might be wise to wait knowing who the likely target will be unless the guy we kill tonight is that role. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/02/09 at 12:11:13 Btw since Clark sucks at mafia playing, I can pretty much confirm that Padz is town for 100% sure. Last night I had IRC open while it was still Night 3 but Ivo hadn't posted Clark's orientation yet. Clark pops in and says "Damn what's going on in mafia, people are voting for me" then Padz says "It's too late for you now, Clark, you've been lynched" (just to tell him, of course...). Suddenly Clark says "Darn, well I was Godfather, btw...guess I lose interest fast." Clark wouldn't have said this to Padz if he was on the mafia as well, as it was a 100% casual conversation. Padz declined to comment further on the situation, knowing that talking about mafia out of the topic is taboo, so he didn't break any rules. As if we didn't know already, but just to be sure :) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by %hat on 06/02/09 at 12:39:29 Mostly right, but I dont say darn that often ::) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/02/09 at 12:47:31 Hold your fucking horses boys. What is up with this CONSTANT attack of me. I was out yesterday and would have supported a Clark lynch all along. To say that I have been inactive is really the worst excuse I have ever seen Jabes. We should actually try to LEARN SOMETHING from the Clark lynch. Look how he played. He almost never posted. Don't you think that some of the other mafia may be following that same strategy. What about syzygy? Why should we continue to let him live when he has yet to post since DAY FUCKING 1? Etch you are trying to start a fast bandwagon against me and you will regret it if I die. Unless of course you are mafia which I have still suspected since the beginning. You are playing a completely different style of play than you ever had when you were town in past games. Not sure what is up... anyway why should we again give syzygy a free pass? Give me a good fucking reason. Vote Syzygy |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Borgeman on 06/02/09 at 13:55:34 damn, good luck boys [smiley=uzi.gif] George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Padzup on 06/02/09 at 16:44:51 Jabes, typical mafia play would be to say Clark is probably mafia so they would look better when he died. To say that you look bad because you did the opposite indicates to me that you're hiding something. You seem to be paranoid that everyone will think you are mafia for some reason. Just a reminder to everyone that Clark was thrown under the bus. Unless the evidence is overwhelming, chances are that a lynch like this will not occur again unless it's endorsed by mafia. This was said yesterday by other players but I feel it necessary to reiterate: town must work as a team to win the game but at the same time it must be ensured that mafia does not take advantage of this fact. Something that has been bugging me since Day 1 was ended early: Sportsguy, you post sparingly but enough so that you manage to evade suspicion. Your posts are short and typically consist of talking about possible roles and not much else. When you aren't doing this you typically don't come up with any speculation of your own and you are eager to end the Day as soon as possible. In short, you don't contribute and give a bare minimum effort as well as jump on bandwagons when it is convenient to do so. So far to me it seems you were lucky on Day 3 in that you managed to vote in time to throw Clark under the bus while not looking like you were a mafia joining in at the last second. I'd like to mention that Sportsguy voted for Tim soon after Scott tried to bandwagon him, citing as a reason that the Day should end asap. Is there a legitimate reason to end the Day that quickly that would benefit the town? Like I said at the beginning of Day 3, there was no kill during Night 2 because mafia had roleblocked Borgeman. His death was not a fluke on mafia's part and as such mafia had to have known this information during Day 3; it was essential for mafia to end the Day as quickly as possible. Borgeman also nailed Clark early on. Mafia was probably planning on lynching a suspicious townie before throwing the Godfather under the bus, but clearly the gains made from ending the Day to land the kill outweighed the loss of the Godfather. This behaviour seems to indicate that mafia did have a specific reason to end the Day quickly and the speediness of the lynch shows it. So Sportsguy trying to cut the Day short twice in that Day is alarming. There is obviously more to this but I hope that town players have been paying attention to other instances of Sportsguy's lack of contribution to the town. vote: Sportsguy001 And Jabes: it would be awfully convenient of you to make the last vote in such a way that would seem to make you look like a well-intentioned town player. Your post Today indicates this as well since it exists mainly to point out that you are one. I don't recall anybody mentioning that your last post was fishy so there was no need to explain yourself; nobody denied that there was a small possibility that Clark was just a vanilla who forgot about the game. It was just far more likely that he was mafia. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/02/09 at 18:22:14 I have been paranoid, i admit that, but i couldnt really see clark being mafia again. I have my suspicions now, and theyre the people whom i had initially thought to be strange in behavior. Vote: syzygy Not posting since day one is a mafia faux-pas. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Padzup on 06/02/09 at 18:39:59 I just remembered that it was Scott who made the last vote. Sorry Jabes. But either way you still voted pretty late as you said before so not a ton changes there. As a general note, keep an eye on Scott; his persistence on quicklynching throughout Day 3 is odd especially given the fact that in previous games he's had the opposite opinion (more talk). Since he wasn't around in the beginning he's harder to read which is something to watch out for. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/02/09 at 18:48:35 Padzup, I ended day 1 early by less than 30 minutes. Big deal. I don't think it is a big problem to end a day early unless it was from a modkill. If a majority is reached then i don't have a problem. 0A3B3E202F2A5A0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Padzup on 06/02/09 at 19:02:00 You ended it twelve hours early. Pretty big difference there but I suppose you could have just thought it was the legitimate end of the Day then :-/ And that would be because that would be implying I was town without actually saying so, which is a mafia tell. I don't need to convince anyone I'm town, that isn't the point of the game and it just sidetracks the town from finding mafia. If you're insinuating that trying not to waste time makes me mafia then you need to think a bit harder about the logistics of the game. Also: if you can't defend yourself based on your previous posts then at least try to make some kind of effort to contribute Today. e: read the timestamps incorrectly. You ended the Day two hours early so you couldn't have thought it was the end of the Day. And if I recall, several people said they would come within the last couple hours of the Day. Whether or not they would have actually showed was not really for you to judge if you're going to use that as a defense. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/02/09 at 19:23:39 Padzup, technically i ended it 2 hours early going by the post on pg 1. But there were lots of conflicting info on when the day ended posted by yourself, kmacc, Honko, and ivo. There was info that the day would end at 6:23 PM ET, 4:40 PM ET, 4:23 PM ET, 8:08 PM ET, and 7:25 PM ET. I was going by the one listed below which i thought was correct. 4F706969726C6375060 wrote:
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Padzup on 06/02/09 at 19:29:46 Yeah I used Honko's remaining time as a reference when I posted it so that's why it didn't match up. By the time I realized, it was too late to edit and it seemed too minor to bother posting again just to mention it. Fair enough though, I suppose that was Ivo's fault. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/02/09 at 19:44:49 Lol, I'm still totally clueless'D at Tim's play....he's BEEN ONLINE, for crying out loud... Can't believe Tyler would end up being mafia AGAIN, but Clark was as well I guess. Heh. Padz: What you said about Tyler is basically what I've been thinking about him as well...idk... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/02/09 at 20:04:42 Think what you want Scott and Padzup, but i'm not mafia. Hopefully yall can be convinced of my innocence, eventually. BTW, I think Tim had to be silenced the last few days. He hasn't posted since Day1 where we know no one could have been silenced on that day. Since then no posts. It's the only logical explanation. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Padzup on 06/02/09 at 20:18:31 tim is not making any kind of play scott. he's just useless. anyone suggesting otherwise is either not paying attention or is trying to protect him. also if he is being silenced then flo isn't, which would mean flo is just neglecting to post instead. in all honesty it's frustrating to see people saying that this is unlike tim. this is identical to his behaviour in previous games. scott (and jabes): your role from previous games is irrelevant to your chances of being a certain role in this one. neither of you should be bothering with it since clark is living proof. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/02/09 at 20:29:55 I urge town to trust me this one final time. Lynch my fucking ass if I am wrong on this. Info tells me that syzygy is mafia. I am very confident in this. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/02/09 at 20:45:36 ^lmao, are you kidding me? Pretty much my thinking Padzup. Looking back to day 1, I was not surprised some people wanted to protect Flo. Mafia hates losing a guy on the first day which made lynching Andrew go down so easily. We lost a useless townie but that conversation helped reveal other mafia members. Howes' suicide helped reinforce some of those ideas but he screwed us out of a lynch. I find it very odd some people pushed for Syzygy so strongly. What real fucking reason was there besides oh he isn't posting a lot and he's useless. At this stage in the game, we don't need to dick around guessing who is mafia or not. We know who most of the mafia are at this point so why would the town not want to lynch them. I'm in this game to win and if you aren't, there is a good chance you aren't part of the town. There is no point trying to convince me otherwise. I'll admit some of Sportsguy's posts are dodgy but we got bigger fish to fry at the moment. It would really suck balls if one of the inactive players that got replaced was mafia. -_- Scott usually has a terrible strategy Padzup, don't take his theories too seriously. Some of us pushed to kill Clark instead and where is our thanks? We got a mafia killed, what more do you guys fucking want? I think some of you would be happy, I know the mafia isn't. ::) No sense going after Syzygy with better candidates to lynch. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/02/09 at 20:52:47 Trust me one time. No one has even given me a chance this game, it has just been CONSTANT pressure ever since the Howes thing, and Etch is somehow convinced that the Howes incident means I am for sure mafia. Kill syzygy now or thank me later. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/02/09 at 21:00:23 If you were cop, surely you would have scanned me because I have been on your case since all that bullshit went down. Maybe you got blocked a few times but this is hardly a great time in the game to be all trust me after all your past votes and arguments that have been directed at confirmed townies. What fucking solid proof is there? Why would anyone in town waste their time going after Syzygy at this point? He doesn't do shit! At most, he does night actions for town or mafia but we can't be totally sure. I don't mind killing him towards the end after we narrow things down but this is stupid. If you want us to lynch Flo I can do that. ;) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by KoopZ on 06/02/09 at 21:00:41 awww wtf, i was hoping to make it a bit further. good luck town. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/02/09 at 21:02:36 I have no clue about Flo man. He is such an idiot that he might just be town. I really think first you should kill syzygy. Have some faith. No one has listened to me all game and I am telling you I am pretty sure of this. What more can I say really without revealing too much? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Extol on 06/02/09 at 21:07:30 MVT, are you mafia or are you the town cop? "info tells you" huh? what does that mean? either you have scanned Tim and seen that he is mafia, or, dare i say it, you are betraying your teammate to make yourself look innocent. I wouldn't rule out either possibility at this point. but you better have something good. then if Tim gets lynched and he actually is mafia, will that clear you from suspicion? its a bold move either way. the only question is, do we trust MVT? personally i'm on the fence about Tim. i find it hard to believe that he hasnt said anything for three days, yet he hasnt been modkilled or anything. this either means he's mafia and Ivo won't modkill a mafia just for not posting, or he's been silenced for the past few days. or maybe Ivo is just being lax on getting everyone to post and he's just not taking any action on Tim for not posting. I mean, there are others (myself for example) that arent posting hardly anything, and even less thats actually worth something. i dunno. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/02/09 at 21:08:28 Syzygy surely will be back maybe in day 5 claiming he was silenced. The perfect cover he will give and you all will fall for it. Flo can hang around another day before being dealt with, or if there is a vig left they can kill him at night. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Extol on 06/02/09 at 21:14:29 where did Flo come into suspicion...? i'm actually thinking about voting for Syzygy because of what Etch said actually. Tim might be doing night actions still without talking, which if he is mafia would be quietly hurting us without us knowing. If he is town with a good power, don't you think he would have spoken up about something? I mean, at the least he'll want to reveal himself with enough votes on him if he is of any worth to the town... Edit: i'm going to bed now, but i'll check back in the morning to see what the consensus is. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/02/09 at 21:17:40 Really if you look at this critically even without any info there are only two valid possibilities: Tim being vanilla town or Tim being mafia. Looking at it from a clueless perspective the worst possible case scenario would be us lynching him and he was vanilla town. The benefits of lynching him though and him being mafia overtake. Plus I am telling you people to trust me on it for the first time all game. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: everybody is mafia edition [Day 4] Post by Padzup on 06/02/09 at 21:57:04 46777E7E46737E77120 wrote:
this post scares the shit out of me. i'm wondering if anyone else sees why. it is possible that ivo decided that it would be a good idea to go with seven mafia. in that case then there are five left which means that if we lynch a townie today it's do or die for day 5 if there is only one kill in the night. if there are two kills, either two towns die and mafia wins or one of each dies and it's do or die again. needless to say, this means that if we lynch tim and he is town then it doesn't matter if we kill mvt the next day because it's still do or die the day afterward. essentially, if there is a jack (or any kind of town role who can kill) remaining in this game, killing without scanning first is too risky to chance. tl;dr i am saying that it could very well be do or die if a townie is lynched today so mvt is doing whatever it takes to get town to do so. it doesn't matter if mvt is proven to be mafia because it'll already be do or die with four mafia left (it would take four days of mafia lynches to win). town would not be able to come out of a situation like that without some kind of fucking miracle. in the case that ivo isn't crazy enough to start off with seven mafia it is still do or die if a town is lynched and the jack kills a town too. this is still enough to warrant using this strat so i think we're looking at something in the realm of 4-5 mafias left to lynch. at the same time this means that if a town has as few as one or two votes on them in a potential do or die then mafia can instalynch at will. town needs to be much more careful in voting from now on. MVT you've already "revealed" too much for it to matter. i don't know if you are trying to get the real cop to claim or if you're just trying to get tim lynched but i couldn't imagine that a legitimate cop would pull something like this. Extol you are terrible at trying to dissociate from MVT. Next time don't try to go for the same lynch. unvote The fact that MVT hasn't been lynched yet indicates that either there are fewer than five mafia remaining or mafia don't want him dead (or possibly that not enough mafia are around at a given time but then my entire post would be rendered moot). I am not yet voting MVT simply because I don't want the Day to end. Darius and Sword need to give some kind of input asap but at the same time I'm not going to wait for them if a lynch needs to occur. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/02/09 at 21:58:18 How did that shit sandwich taste Extol, bite deep enough? :) It's possible Syzygy could be silenced. We don't need to fucking guess at this point in time. Why bother killing someone you are unsure about at this stage in the game? We can't risk losing more guys especially at the end. It's nice to have a majority town vote. And why the fuck do you guys want Syzygy dead so bad over others? He hasn't been posting which makes him an easy target for town to vote against. I like to see the mafia pull this shit against someone else here. You don't have the balls because that would obviously be a tell. Flo can be under the same grounds of suspicion as Syzygy. What the fuck has he exactly contributed? There can't be a whole lot of mafia left so I would imagine the mafia would try doing what it could to take votes off of themselves. You guys won't win sacrificing one guy after another so it looks like you blend in with town. It's a numbers game which you happen to be on the losing side of. If anyone has been reading this thread, you will see there are stronger reasons to suspect Flo over Syzygy. It's been a pretty sloppy game for some people and that's what happens when shit hits the fan. This isn't about individual trust, this is about the town's trust. It's illogical to put all of our eggs in one basket at this point. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/02/09 at 22:10:21 Padzup if you MUST KNOW I am not town cop. If you guys don't listen to me and kill syzygy you will GREATLY GREATLY regret it later. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/02/09 at 22:14:01 That's some scary shit Padzup. This game is fucked anyway. No one posting, Howes' suicide, and other bullshit. Fuck Ivootjes if he made 7-9 people mafia. What is there to fucking regret, we lynch another mafia instead? How terrible! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/02/09 at 22:14:39 Etch if you really must vote for Flo, than I will go along with that although I have no info to direct him as being mafia.. But then next day syzygy's head better be on the block. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/02/09 at 22:18:30 Ball is in your court Etch. Syzygy or Flo if you must. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/02/09 at 22:20:24 If Padzup is right, a mafia dies then a townie dies at night. The same problem would exist. I don't see why Syzygy has to be killed so badly. [smiley=lolk.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/02/09 at 22:20:59 Well I will go along with whoever you vote as long as it is not myself. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/02/09 at 22:28:40 Ah you left me hanging. Decide soon |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/02/09 at 22:52:00 320306181712620 wrote:
Yeah I know....like how I've had the same role twice now, haha. Well it's all random I guess. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/02/09 at 23:03:46 Lol, WTF is up with you now MVT...you're flipping out again. From when I started playing, you're always getting way too hyper and shit. Don't fuck with Etch, he'll rip your balls off man. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 00:47:57 Oneshot's list was all townies, eliminating those on that list leaves us with this tally, and by sorting by post count, you can see that four of them happen to have the same number. Syzygy's obviously intending not to post since he's posting elsewhere, and Flo's been gone just because he's cool like that. Flo1 5 Kmacc 21 Syzygy 3 Superyoshi 22 Sportsguy 22 Darius 18 Jabes 22 The remaining mafia are Kmacc, Superyoshi, Sportsguy, and Darius, or at the very least, four (or three) of the above seven are mafia. unvote Vote: Darius EDITED ONLY TO PUT JOE ON THE LIST AS I ACCIDENTALLY OVERLOOKED HIM |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 00:59:33 If we don't go solely by post count, they would've just told Flo to shut up if he was mafia, which he's done, and that would make the four Sporty, Darius, Kmacc, and Flo. Syzygy and Superyoshi had a little "thing" right off the bat which was cute, but I really don't think they'd have done that if they were both mafia, so it's either one of them or neither. Once Darius turns up red, we'll just go down the list. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 01:03:22 Here's why Sportsguy is mega-suspicious: 70534C51575044565A131312230 wrote:
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No analysis, no evidence to back up his points, jumping on bandwagons at easy points to do so. 0736332D2227570 wrote:
this post scares the shit out of me. i'm wondering if anyone else sees why. it is possible that ivo decided that it would be a good idea to go with seven mafia. in that case then there are five left which means that if we lynch a townie today it's do or die for day 5 if there is only one kill in the night. if there are two kills, either two towns die and mafia wins or one of each dies and it's do or die again. needless to say, this means that if we lynch tim and he is town then it doesn't matter if we kill mvt the next day because it's still do or die the day afterward.[/quote] That's ridiculous. You can't have 7 mafia in a 21 player game. Ivo's an experienced mafia player, he wouldn't go with such an unbalanced set-up. Let's not go around speculating that this is the case because it won't be. Etch: who are 'most of the mafia'? Why is Sportsguy not as suspicious as some other players? Scott: you're an idiot. Just look at the voting patterns from yesterday if you really think I'm mafia. I put my vote on Clark and basically sparked his lynch. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:06:25 Okay, cool. Which of those others should we go for first? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 01:09:06 I think it's obvious who I think is the most suspicious on the list from my last post. What I want to know is why you're using similar post counts to decide who's mafia. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:10:20 Well all four remaining mafia (or three maybe?) are on that list. I just grouped you guys quickly by post count. Sportsguy seems a great choice. unvote Vote: Sporty |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 01:12:44 Can you explain how you know that Oneshot's list was all townies? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:18:38 Quote:
Karterfreak died, pretty clear tell there.....Padzup's been cleared 100% by the convo Clark tried to start with him in IRC...MVT's confused up the bumhole.....Etch speaks the truth like it's the word of God.....and having all four of those on this list makes Extol free as well because he wouldn't leave just one mafia on it if he was trying to mix it up with it...instead there would've been like 3/2 ratio or something.....which would mean it'd be like Extol+Etch/MVT...but it's too high of risk lol, to put half the mafia on one list of 5 people, haha. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:22:21 Oh SHIT how did Jabes get left off my list. Guess there's 7 then...sorry guys! So....Joe, Sporty, Darius, Kmacc, Flo, Syzygy, Superyoshi, Sportsguy are the 7 players left who can possibly be mafia. Either three or four of those should be the ones. Darius can't be a 100% for good, but everyone else who's not on this list, you're clear I believe..... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 01:24:12 Why wouldn't he leave just one mafia on it? That makes no sense. You're using completely nonsensical reasoning to base your suspicions on. How do you know how oneshot thinks? Why don't you actually read the thread and work out who's suspicious from that? What if Clark staged that conversation to make you think Padzup is town? What if you're all mafia and you posted that to try and clear both yourself and Padzup? Basically, what you're saying has no logical basis at all. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:25:15 Idk if this means anything, but oneshot just randomly IM'd me on MSN just about 3 minutes ago with a message saying "alrrrrrrrrrrrrrrite" I didn't say anything back other than "what?" |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:26:05 I'm not mafia Darius lol. I replaced Pobre remember. Pobre was town. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:26:47 I hope you realize that if I were mafia right now there would be no effing reason to be doing this haha. They're owning town's butts hardcore this game! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 01:27:52 I didn't say you were mafia. I said it was a possibility, one which is getting increasingly likely the more defensive and illogical you get. When did we get told Pobre was town? He never even logged in to read his PM. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:31:51 Oh yeah sorry...I'm the only one who found that out...that was when Ivo PMed me. Haha! Thought it had been posted somewhere for a second. If you don't realize it, it's 4:30am here and I probably shouldn't be awake, let alone blowing posts on this topic. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:34:53 [2009-06-01 12:35:46] <snakeplissken> youre all voting for me in mafia [2009-06-01 12:35:58] <snakeplissken> i demand to know why [2009-06-01 12:36:06] <IsThatAGoodThing> Uhh you're a bit late for that Clark [2009-06-01 12:36:10] <IsThatAGoodThing> While you were golfing the last two days [2009-06-01 12:36:13] <IsThatAGoodThing> The game was still going on [2009-06-01 12:36:15] <IsThatAGoodThing> And you.... [2009-06-01 12:36:16] <IsThatAGoodThing> Didn't post [2009-06-01 12:36:17] <snakeplissken> ah i see [2009-06-01 12:36:23] <snakeplissken> its all your long posts [2009-06-01 12:36:29] <snakeplissken> i get bored reading them [2009-06-01 12:36:35] <snakeplissken> and watch porn instead [2009-06-01 12:36:38] <IsThatAGoodThing> Yeah [2009-06-01 12:36:48] <Padzup> clark [2009-06-01 12:36:51] <IsThatAGoodThing> All those long posts were like "Clark post hurry up Clark post" [2009-06-01 12:36:52] <Padzup> youve already been lynched [2009-06-01 12:36:54] <Padzup> you retard [2009-06-01 12:37:06] <snakeplissken> i dont think i should play mafia tbh. i lose interest after a day [2009-06-01 12:37:11] <snakeplissken> i was godfather btw [2009-06-01 12:37:12] <Padzup> ^ [2009-06-01 12:37:26] <Padzup> honko, please ban clork from your future games. [2009-06-01 12:37:36] <Padzup> no offense clark [2009-06-01 12:37:40] <snakeplissken> none taken [2009-06-01 12:37:49] <IsThatAGoodThing> Lacey: Do I need to buy the superman trick [2009-06-01 12:37:52] <Padzup> tim is worse than you are anyway [2009-06-01 12:37:52] <IsThatAGoodThing> Shouldn't need to [2009-06-01 12:37:55] <snakeplissken> but yeah, i shouldve taken more of an active role [2009-06-01 12:38:00] <Padzup> "WAAAAH WHY ARE YOU HARASSING ME I JUST HAVE NOTHING TO SAY!" [2009-06-01 12:38:01] <IsThatAGoodThing> Well I guess we get loads of money evenutally [2009-06-01 12:38:01] <snakeplissken> being godfather n all This should clear things up....(This was BEFORE he was announced as Godfather by Ivo) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:35:37 Okay lol turns out Sean is just drunk and happened to randomly message me at that time, haha! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 01:37:03 So I'm a possible mafia member because you can't include yourself on this "list"? And you thought that our roles would be posted somewhere? And this isn't your first mafia game? And you think that just because someone says that they're not mafia that they MUST be telling the truth? Man, this game has gone to shit. "Of course I'm not mafia. I replaced Pobre. Pobre was town." LAUGHING OUT LOUD. Literally... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:38:17 Naw, everything I posted there is true. I know Sword isn't mafia lol, and everyone else has been ruled out by death or Sean's list. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 01:38:51 That doesn't prove anything to me. Padzup could call Clark a retard if he was his mafia buddy and was exasperated with the fact that Clark didn't bother to try and avoid getting lynched. Clark's talking to everyone in IRC there when he says he's the godfather, not just Padzup. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 01:39:43 How'd you know Sword isn't mafia? This is getting ridiculous, even for you. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:39:55 Yeah and I was the only other player in there from the Mafia game that's still alive...if Padz wanted to set up a "show" right there it'd be only to mess with one person haha. Just take it for the truth man, why you guys getting so defensive all the sudden. Town can't lose now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 01:43:12 Unvote Vote: Scott Your analysis has always baffled me, and I don't feel any regret saying that I don't think you're helping the town in any way. I still would like Sportsguy to talk a lot more, but I'm not changing my vote on Scott. The charade has gone on long enough... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:43:53 Joe I don't know what you are doing lol. I'm just having some fun here. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 01:45:55 'Just take it for the truth'? You're not making any sense at all! First mafia are kicking town's butts, now town can't lose? I know what Joe's doing, and I'm inclined to join him. You're not doing anything that helps the town in any way. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:46:20 Whoa hold up, take that vote off of me you retard, what are you thinking lol. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 01:47:31 I don't know what you're doing, Scott. I mean, and not to use the exact same words as someone else, but this really is getting ridiculous. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:49:37 Shoot I wanted to post my role PM to prove you I am town, but I deleted it, whoops! Here I think I can just make a recreation of it though. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:52:45 Okay well basically what I'm saying is you guys are retards, who ever even made this game on the forum haha. This game has been totally forked up since forever. First off, no one posted. Second, Howes is retarded. Third, no one posted. Next game needs to have only like 15 players, no Australians allowed, only Euros allowed if they're actually going to play, and the host has to be a mod. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:55:21 WHY IS NO ONE RESPONDING. I'm waiiiiiiiiting but no one will say anything. This is totally ridiculous. Town sucks so bad this game, there are leaders but no one follows because they're all too busy doing other stuff I guess. I can't wait until Night 4! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:57:09 Okay I give up, it's been almost TEN WHOLE MINUTES since anyone responded to me. This topic is so dead, it's like everyone just up and quit. People are GIVING UP, townies that give up should be ashamed of themselves but I'm glad I'll be able to say I stuck it out to the end, grinding and fighting as hard as I could for every single lynch. Man, at least I know I did the best I could this game. I think I'll just go to sleep now, I'm sure someone will have responded by the time I wake up but maybe not, since no one likes to post. What a total waste of a game. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 01:58:41 Ivo, why did you let Scott play? You can't reason with this man, he doesn't understand the concept. Scott: if this is the best you can do, please don't play again. Hopefully you'll wake up, read this again and realise how spectacularly unhelpful and illogical all of your posts have been over the last few hours. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 01:59:12 Oh and btw, the four mafia (or three maybe) are most likely Kmacc Sportsguy Superyoshi Joe Else maaaaybe those other three from my post, but those are my top four for now....if the town's scanner guy will come forward now to tell which of those seven he's scanned, we can end this for sure. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 02:00:15 Lol you silly dog you! I told Ivo I didn't want to play, four times! Except some moron kept deleting my posts saying that, so Ivo never got the message, and added me into the game. Even in IRC when he asked me, I told him I didn't want to play, haha! Well it's a good thing I was invited because I just won the game for town. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 02:00:46 Ridiculous. Can we please just vote him out so he won't be able to post anymore? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 02:06:32 Hey, while we're at it, let's out the town's leader so we can really make sure the town wins! YAY! I'm SUPER smart!! So, let's go forth and make sure that the mafia knows exactly who to kill in the next coming days, so they can completely own us. Excellent strategy. (looks for the sarcastic hand clap emoticon...) ... ..... ....... (settles for the sarcastic thumbs up emoticon). [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 02:24:52 Oh no!! C'mon guys! I just finished to read all the previous posts until today and I just saw 3 more pages written yesterday. So I had to read them too and I noticed 2 things: - 74454C4C74414C45200 wrote:
Yes, that's true, I'm a townie but I don't know why you say I am an idiot. :-? You must be an idiot too. - Some people suspect Sportsguy too and I think it's a good thing because I saw that he wanted to lynch very quickly Syzygy and I think that makes him suspect. Vote: Sportsguy BTW, I don't think Syzygy is mafia for the moment but I'll try to know more about him now. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 02:26:52 6E4D524F494E5A48440D0D0C3D0 wrote:
That's all the mafia guys say ;D Would you swear on your family that you are not? ::) Edit: sentence fixed (added the "your" family) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Ivootjes on 06/03/09 at 02:49:43 Guys, i can't do anything about people not posting. I just now what people i won't allow in a next game as they haven't posted at all. I don't think i can replace syzygy at this point anymore Scott, i asked for replacements in irc and you volunteered so i replaced pobre with you. To me the game has been pretty interesting ;D |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 03:31:19 The Clark Lynch Breakdown! Oneshot was vig killed and he said nothing apart from a couple of brief votes against Flo and MVT, none of which gives us a massive amount of information. Clark's lynch, on the other hand, is very interesting and I think tells us quite a lot. 297: The first time Clark's name gets mentioned. Padzup has noticed his lack of activity: 132227393633430 wrote:
304: Etch is the next one to bring up Clark, for what I assume is blending in, although he doesn't address Clark specifically: 6933686A6068623636030 wrote:
310: Etch wonders why everyone is so keen to kill Tim: 6933686A6068623636030 wrote:
316: George mentions that Flo and Clark are his two big question marks in the game. 317: Scott brings up the fact that he has been talking to Clark in IRC yet he hasn't posted. 318 & 319: George makes a good case on Clark in particular, noting that he has been trying to blend in by agreeing with others and getting on wagons late. 321: I acknowledge George's good case on Clark but ask him to comment on other players too. 322: SuperYoshi puts the first vote on Clark, saying he is a better lynch than Tim and he finds his play to fit more with the mafia style. Clark votes: 1 326: Rather implausibly, Sword's only post of the game. He suggests we shouldn't spend the whole day talking about people who aren't posting; namely Flo, Clark and Tim. 327: Kmacc agrees with George about Clark but still pushes for MVT: 4244484A4A290 wrote:
331: Cooper also agrees with George's case on Flo and Clark but votes for Flo instead of Clark. 332: Strangely, MVT doesn't mention Clark at all when attacking inactive players: 63525B5B63565B52370 wrote:
334: Scott mentions again that Clark has been online but says he could have just forgotten about the game, which would be a vanilla tell. 336: Etch states that he would be more comfortable lynching Clark over Tim. 338: This is where the voting gets going. I read Cooper's post and find it odd that he would select Flo instead of Clark. With my suspicions of Clark increased after George's case anyway, I vote for Clark. I think this post, combined with Cooper's, is probably what got Cooper nightkilled by George. Votes: 2 339: Kmacc immediately joins me in voting for Clark but suggests that we either lynch or vig kill MVT next. Votes: 3 340: Etch also votes for Clark straight away as he can't see enough people going for MVT instead of Tim. Votes: 4 341: Sportsguy makes yet another bandwagon vote with no reasons of his own. Votes: 5 342: George makes the vote that should have come with his case. Votes: 6 343: Jabes is unsure about Clark being mafia but decides to hop on the wagon anyway, saying that 'useless players in games really need to go'. Votes: 7 344: Extol is late on the wagon with a pretty non-committal post: 213C302B28737C73440 wrote:
Votes: 8 345: Scott, after tunnelling on Tim and not mentioning Clark all day, finishes Clark off. He claims that his goal was just to lynch an inactive townie rather than Tim specifically. Votes: 9 |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 04:13:25 348: MVT, not realising that Scott has already hammered, votes for Clark, finally acknowledging that he has been useless too. Voters for Clark (in order) SuperYoshi, Darius, Kmacc, Etch, Sportsguy, George, Jabes, Extol, Scott (and MVT, which didn't count) Voters for Flo: Cooper Voters for Syzygy: MVT Voters for SuperYoshi: Padzup Not voting: Syzygy, Sword, Flo, Clark What does this tell us? SuperYoshi, Kmacc and Etch all look good for getting the ball rolling on Clark when Tim was under pressure vote-wise. SuperYoshi voted for Clark well before the wagon started and Etch was also pushing for a Clark lynch over Tim earlier in the day. These guys are only really suspicious if Tim has a strong mafia role. Padzup didn't vote for Clark but did call attention to his inactivity earlier in the Day. He also did the same on Day 1 when everyone else was ignoring Clark. Combined, they make him fairly pro-town for me. Sportsguy has been bandwagoning the whole game and just riding along on other people's suspicions. Getting increasingly scummy with every day. Extol and Jabes both doubted that Clark was mafia yet voted for him anyway. The only other contributions either of them made during the Day was to cast suspicion on Tim, yet they hop on this Clark bandwagon very fast when Extol could have stuck with his suspicions of Tim and Jabes could have switched his vote to Tim. It wasn't very pro-town to just speed along the lynch of a player, especially someone who you apparently doubt is mafia anyway. Scott only referred to Clark being online and not posting in the topic, even suggesting it was a vanilla tell, yet claimed it was his goal to lynch an inactive scummy player all along once he voted for Clark. He also strangely claims that Sword has shown he is a 'full-blooded townie'. Sword himself only made the one post, but that post was trying to push people away from focusing on inactive players. Whether that was because he is mafia buddies with Clark, and maybe Tim/Flo too is hard to tell with no other posts. He did also make some good points about focusing on players who weren't talking too much. MVT completely ignores Clark when suspicion is building against him, then tries to hammer him too late and look as though he thought he was useless all along. Pretty suspicious vote and post. I think the best way to proceed from here is to lynch Tim. If he flips scum, we can trust MVT. If he also has a power role, we need to reevaluate who voted for Clark and their reasoning for it. If he flips town, we lynch MVT tomorrow and SuperYoshi, Kmacc and Etch are pretty safe in my book. Vote: Syzygy |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 2] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 06/03/09 at 04:23:02 4B71566A637643456D6D66566A6B6C65020 wrote:
Throwing suspicions based on a list a maf guy made and number of posts is defo a fail reasoning. Reasoning is supposed to be based at what people said and voting patterns. Forget the fucking oneshot's list, maybe there are 1 or 2 mafs in them, but using it in order to suspect people and clean others is enough bs [smiley=uzi.gif] As for 4 people having the same post, it is just coïncidal, I don't care about post count; and anyway it means nothing about actual content on them. Compare my posts or Kmacc ones to Sportsguy one if you dunno what I mean :-/ Quote:
Fail defense here <______< I don't think you're maf, Scott, but please stop posting bs and confuse the town like in previous game. I know you didn't want to play, but do not ruin this game at least. Darius : very interesting post. It highlights very well the guys who were suspicious in my mind. However you should mention MVT was the last to vote very late on Clark even if his vote didn't get counted (cos there were already enough votes on him). I think it's fair to mention this as well. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 06/03/09 at 04:25:20 Nvm my last comment, I didn't see you haven't finished to post Darius x) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/03/09 at 05:02:41 0A30172B223702042C2C27172B2A2D24430 wrote:
The town scanner shouldn't come forward this early in the game. Atmost, i think you have two mafia members on your list. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/03/09 at 05:04:22 4B706F787528202028190 wrote:
That's all the mafia guys say ;D Would you swear on your family that you are not? ::) Edit: sentence fixed (added the "your" family)[/quote] I would have no problem doing that. "I swear on my family that i'm not mafia." |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 06/03/09 at 06:37:12 I would like to comment more about MVT; let's see the different possible sceranii, assuming we hear him and go on Syzygy : If MVT was town, then he said the truth and Tim would be mafia then. Tim gets lynched -> 1 mafia down If MVT was mafia, then either : -Tim is town and MVT is trying to make lynch an inactive player, but then seeing Tim was town, MVT would get lynched the following day ->1 mafia down for 1 townie down -Tim is a fellow mafia member,and MVT want to get rid of him as he is useless and doesn't help the mafia, and MVT would look safe town moreover. Still that would be 1 mafia down, and MVT could get lynched if a cop found out he was actually mafia (surely there is one around I hope) Both of those cases are unlikely, the first one being disavdantaging the mafia, the second one being really risky when only 3 or mafia are still alive. So unless MVT is enough stupid, the most probable case is : MVT is town and he tells us the truth, with Tim being mafia. I would like to note also that MVT is still alive even after having clearly suggested us having a power role. That could mean either he is mafia, or the real mafs deliberately not killing him to even more suspicious in the eyes of town players, seeing he got a lot of votes on him in the past already. What do you other guys think of my post ? Do you think MVT could be a victim of the mafia ? I'm not gonna vote yet, as I want to avoid quick lynch bandwagon, but I'm confident either him or Tim is a maf, and we could learn a lot by lynching one of them. Tim may be a better choice since it would be a big loss if MVT was a cop or watcher as his posts suggest, but I still do not exclude a silencer is around in this game. Apart from that, other people on my possible mafia list are Sportsguy and Extol for obvious late bandwagoning on Clark and on previous lynches, and relative weak comtribution. I want as well more input of Sword, he have almost no info on him. And how can Scott say he is townie immediately ? Why this ? I don't like that [smiley=ninja.gif] To sum up, possible mafia list : -Sportsguy -Extol -either MVT or Syzygy [-Scott and/or Sword ? (unlikely, only valuable if more than 3 mafs remaining)] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/03/09 at 07:01:15 I'll be gone for atleast the next 7 hours so don't lynch me while i'm gone. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Kmacc on 06/03/09 at 07:32:44 102A0D31382D181E36363D0D3130373E590 wrote:
This could be a setup obviously. Padzup has done some pretty good analysis so far though, so if he were mafia he'd be playing a good game. Scott posting it and worrying about it this much though makes me think he's town. He makes stupid comments and all of that, and can be confusing much of the time, but even if he was mafia, we have other more suspicious players. If you don't like his posts, ignore them, you're not missing much. He doesn't make suspicious comments, he makes stupid ones. 6051585860555851340 wrote:
I'm gonna take a bit of a stab in the dark here, and say all three of these players (MVT, Flo and Syzygy) are mafia. I have stated many times that MVT is mafia, but now I'm starting to think not only that he's mafia, but he has an important role. I believe this isn't the first time MVT has said Flo is town, I'm pretty sure he said the same during day one. He is most likely protecting Flo, his mafia buddy whom also has a power role. Now here is where this may sound a bit confusing. In my opinion, MVT has been on syzygy's back because a) not helping much on their side assuming they are mafia, or b) he is expandable (probably a goonie). And if syzygy comes up dead during a lynch, it may totally free MVT of looking bad, and you'll all think he is 100% townie. I just feel like it's a giant setup from him to try and find a last resort to prove his innocents. He needs such a plan if this were all true, because his mafia would consist of syzygy, flo, clark and oneshot, all very inactive. This could explain why he has been the opposite, extremely active. To offset himself from the others, he posted more than anyone so he wouldn't be compared to those guys. Also if they aren't doing the work during the day pushing suspicion onto townies, somebody's gotta do it, and he may have taken on that responsibility. Just did some of this briefly since I'm in school. Hopefully more to follow up later. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 08:16:01 What the heck...all the people posting now are on that short list, lol. Ahh well, sorry for going kind of crazy, you know it usually only happens once per game for me so we should be safe now. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 08:22:44 Kmacc, good analysis but I would not mind lynching flo. I dont want to be the one who started the wagon against him, then get raped up the ass if he is town. If no one wants to kill syzygy than I won't go on and on forever pushing endlessly for it. I will go for Flo, maybe even sportsguy for the reasons Darius brought up. My list of mafia possibles Syzygy Flo Sports |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Darius on 06/03/09 at 09:53:50 MVT: why did you completely ignore Clark when you attacked Tim and Flo for posting nothing? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by %hat on 06/03/09 at 10:04:09 (I know im not supposed to post I know) Its funny, im following this more now im out the game than when I was in it. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 10:07:13 Well first of all in that post I clearly had my sites on Tim, and I still do, so not much else was going through my mind. I mentioned Flo only because everyone else seemed to be talking about him. I honestly was not thinking of clark. I picked someone to compare with tim not posting since day 1. Flo at the time also had not posted since day 1. 2 people that hadnt posted since day 1 ended up in my last post of that day. Not sure what is suspicious about that. No one had even mentioned clark at that point and I was out all day only to return and see clark was dead. So ya, I fucked up on that one by not being around for the lynch but really there isnt much more to say on clark. We need to go for one of the 3 I mentioned in my last post Syzygy Flo1 Sportsguy Town really needs to come to a consensus on one of those 3 soon. I would also like to know from the people voting me, exactly WHY I am suspicious and WHY they are voting for me. Otherwise it just looks like a stupid rapid lynch with no reasoning. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 10:42:00 I already explained why I hadn't posted since day 1... Why do you reproach me that? Is it because you haven't read my previous posts? BTW, I also find your behaviour a bit suspect at the time MVT, changing your mind every hours. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 11:50:07 MVT is certainly not changing his mind every couple of hours. I actually believe that his possible mafia list is pretty solid, as I've always found Sportsguy and Syzygy awfully suspicious this game. Sportsguy I find suspicious because he's posting in the exact same manner that he has in previous games where he's mafia, saying, "I'm not going to be around, but I'll make this vote and vanish." "I think ______ is suspicious. Vote ______." "I agree with everyone else. Vote ______." "Don't lynch me, I'm not mafia. But I will be gone for a while, so I won't post." In a game where it's imperative to post your insight in order to help both the town's and your grasp on filtering out mafia, this sort of thing is pathetically detrimental. Unvote Vote: Sportsguy And to rebut what Darius said about me and my voting for Clark late in the swing: I know it seems fishy, and I even mentioned that as soon as the next day started. At that point the lynch was going to happen, and instead of hanging up the jury for any longer than it had to, I decided to go for the lynch for two reasons: 1) to progress the game more, even if I really had doubts about him being mafia. 2) Clark wasn't even playing, so I felt no shame in killing off someone who isn't participating. I'm voting for Sportsguy because I truly feel him to be mafia, and I'll save a vote for Syzygy until after Tyler is gone. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 11:51:56 why was one of my posts deleted???????? I just responded to flo... wtf I said something like this: Flo I am sorry but saying you forgot you were in the game is just not a very good excuse. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 11:52:37 Also, haha...if you are changing your mind every few hours the only reason for this would be because you're a clueless freaking townie. If you're merely PRETENDING to change your mind every few hours, you are a mafia player. The mafia players' minds will not be changing because they are in control! (directed at Flo) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 11:55:48 Hopefully deleting posts doesn't become a trend again in this game >_>. Anyway ya read my last post Flo. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 12:05:06 How many votes are needed for a lynch? MVT: 3 sportsguy: 3 syzygy: 2 |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 12:06:36 Well, again, it wasn't me who deleted the post, although I have seen that with the new Mozilla, sometimes I'll be in the middle of a post, or just about to finish a post, and then it takes me back to the screen I was at before I hit the "reply" button. Makes me furious because sometimes I'll be in the middle of a longer post... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 12:08:07 Ya its no big deal it was a one - two liner luckily Etch and kmacc you two ever want to budge? This mkds tag team has been on my ass since day 1 never voting for anyone else hardly. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 12:12:17 I will put #4 on sportsguy, half because I think he might be mafia and half to save myself. I still don't get it why I am suspect. I have answered EVERYTHING thrown at me to the best of my abilities. unvote vote: sportsguy |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 12:20:24 Detailed Vote Count Sportsguy001 - 4 (Flo1, MVT, Jabes, IsThatAGoodThing) MVT - 3 (Etch, Kmacc, Sportsguy001) Syzygy - 1 (Darius) No Vote - 5 (SuperYoshi1, Syzygy, Sword, Padzup, Extol) I would like to know what these 5 people think. Not voting isn't helping anything get done. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: everybody is mafia edition [Day 4] Post by Padzup on 06/03/09 at 12:40:36 yeah i feel obligated to mention that scott is retarded, i don't know why the fuck he is using irc logs to "prove" i'm town and i don't like it. shit like that just makes the both of us look worse. 0F2A39223E384B0 wrote:
You're right, only Honko is that much of a cunt. But there could have been 6 which is still enough to warrant pulling some kind of strat like that. I still can't imagine that MVT would claim in this fashion; if he isn't mafia he's going to be nightkilled hard so there should be no reason for him to hold anything back. This late in the game mafia wouldn't risk keeping a power role around. If they wanted to lynch a town player to buy themselves time, there are easier targets on which to do so. 62587F434A5F6A6C44444F7F4342454C2B0 wrote:
why? you really seem to be brushing off the possibility of there being mafia on the list and i thought that everyone agreed that the list was best ignored. bringing it up again is retarded. MVT if you don't know what I think then you aren't reading my posts. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 12:44:34 I know what you think. I am not going to blatantly say my role. If mafia kills me in the night you will find out anyhow. Let the mafia kill me why lynch me in the day then. I know exactly what you think padzup. I think it is retarded to say oh there are 6-7 mafia left. You still are not helping town by not voting anyone, and might turn out looking bad at days end. It takes 7 votes to lynch by the way according to ivoot. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 12:45:53 Excuse that last line where I said Padzup was talking about there being 6-7 mafia left. He was reffering to it as being 6-7 mafia TOTAL. That number still seems quite large. 6 maybe. 7 no way. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 13:02:57 I'll be back in 5 hours tops. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/03/09 at 14:17:26 What the fuck happened here? Why is anyone listening to MVT, are you all fucking high? Scott, learn to shut your stupid mouth. You mean well but stop confusing everyone. Flo and MVT are voting for Sportsguy so I don't like that. >:( Jabes and Scott, get with the fucking program and vote for MVT. Padzup, stop posting and put a fucking vote up for once you pussy. You fucking idiots, just stop over thinking. Here's my pretty sure list. Mafia - Flo and MVT Town - Isthatagoodthing, Kmacc, Padzup, Etch and Darius That leaves Sword, Syzygy, Superyoshi, Sportsguy, Extol and Jabes. I think the strat in action now for remaining mafia is to blend in and hope to live long enough undetected. Right now, mafia is trying to convince you guys to lynch a townie in case you haven't notcied. There is so much bullshit atm it's basically a guessing game. I can't get a really good read on the other people because they are fucking clueless and randomly vote without any real thought. I like Superyoshi for voting with town early to help get mafia lynched and Syzygy since the mafia want him dead so bad. Extol has been voting with the town, doesn't say much else like Sportsguy but mafia want him dead so that makes me think he is innocent. Sword can go bite a cock sandwich for not posting, make a fucking vote against MVT or consider yourself dead later. Jabes is udderly clueless so he is either mafia just playing pretend or just has no idea what is going on, doesn't help voting with them. Why the change of heart, can't get enough votes for town to kill off Syzygy you go after Sportsguy instead? ::) If a mafia isn't lynched today, fuck you town because you obviously want to lose. You can't win this game alone so if you want to lose town, I can't technically stop you. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 14:44:28 MVT, what the heck dude...you're just looking worse and worse as we go along here...stop digging yourself deeper into the shithole you've put yourself in. As Padz said, you may as well just tell us what the fuck you've been doing with your "role," otherwise you'll be toast right here and now, without us ever knowing what you did. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/03/09 at 14:50:47 Scott, I might sound angry but that's because I don't want the game to get dragged out longer than it has to. We don't know what mafia powers are there so who is to say another 2 maybe 3 townies can die at night. I hope whatever power roles we have left are used against MVT and Flo tonight. I'm starting to think he wanted us to lynch Syzygy to gain our trust. Syzygy could be mafia which would make MVT look like a townie for helping kill him off. In reality, mafia might sacrifice him since he has no power role. Don't you guys see how important this is, please don't fuck this up or pull a Howes. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 15:10:24 "Udderly clueless." hahaha... First of all, it's "utterly," not "udderly," for i am not a cow, and i dont have udders. Second of all, you leave yourself off of all the lists you mentioned. What makes you so innocent, and why do you all of a sudden support Scott? Something is going definitely awry... Be cautious, fellow town members; true colors are beginning to show... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 15:12:37 Lol, Joe. You totally bit on my shit last night. I was fishing! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/03/09 at 15:25:01 Fuck you Jabes, just typing fast and wasn't arsed to prufreed. ;) We shouldn't edit our posts. :) I put myself down as town because that's what I am. I won't post my role PM like Howes did, that does no good. When did I say Scott was mafia you asshole? None of you read, that's the problem and why I am so enraged by the stupidity here. If you want to kill some townies go ahead Jabes, because you obviously don't know shit. The goal of the game is to lynch the mafia. With the good evidence over the game so far, how in the hell do you guys come to such dumb conclusions? I warned that town might want to self destruct later if no one fucking votes or makes a stand. I decide to step up and now you guys want to shoot me down? [smiley=chairshot.gif] If you want to lose, I can't stop you. Change your vote already Scott, don't be a cunt. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: everybody is mafia edition [Day 4] Post by Padzup on 06/03/09 at 15:27:19 4A104B49434B411515200 wrote:
I was going to vote but I figured that it would be spun as some kind of mafia play since that seems to be the way this game is going. But you're right. MVT is clearly bullshitting at this point, his posts have barely been more than trying to deflect suspicion off himself and saying "let's lynch the inactive players". He's pretending to be a jack but won't claim it outright and claims that Tim is mafia, thinking everyone would assume he meant that he scanned. Either he is trying to buy time before he is lynched or he is throwing a teammate under the bus to make him look good. In any case I can no longer see any possibility in which he is town. vote: MVT Waiting to vote to keep the Day from ending is pointless now since this vote evens up the count between Sportsguy and MVT. MVT, if your 'five hours tops' remark was just trying to buy time so the rest of mafia could take out Sportsguy then I hope you realize that nobody who wants to lynch you is going to buy it. Not to suggest that not being on the forum makes you mafia but it clears of you having to say anything else before you're lynched which obviously means that you are not playing in the interest of town. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 15:32:11 MVT's not a Jack, lol. unvote Vote: MVT |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 17:09:38 Yup, i totally bit on your shit! Youre absolutely right! My god am i dumb! You got me. I am a mafia goon. I cannot take a game with Scott anymore. Hes just too smart for everyone to handle. I urge everyone to vote for me in order for the town to win. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 17:31:04 What the fuck is going on. What happened to sportsguy or fucking syzygy. You people will all fucking lose this game you know that? Syzygy is gunna rape you all up the ass. Sportsguy is going to play it all perfectly, and Flo is going to act innocent. Just mark my words. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 17:32:25 623863616B63693D3D080 wrote:
You dumbass I will vote Flo's ass off right now. You going to hold your bargain that you made yesterday where you said you WOULD unvote and vote Flo? Or you gunna pussy out of it? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 17:34:44 Just get me out of here. A game with Scott isnt a game at all. His method of deduction is unparalleled and us mere human with our average intellect can only hope to imagine to begin to understand the brilliance that he possesses... Its hard to fathom just how wonderfully he plays an internet forum game. Well played, chap! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 17:34:54 732972707A72782C2C190 wrote:
What happened to that Etch. I hate how you don't get your way and you cry about it. Don't pussy out on your word now. And if anyone can't notice that Scott = THE ULTIMATE BANDWAGONER yet your fucking blind in both eyes. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/03/09 at 17:34:58 I'm back. I'm not happy with all the votes that have been against me. I think Etch and Jabes need to chill a little. Those are the only two that i feel are absolutely town. Joe, It would be wise to take your vote off of me. You may not like the way i'm playing, but i have my reasons. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 17:37:34 Unvote Vote: Jabes |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/03/09 at 17:37:59 My point was mafia wouldn't want to kill a mafia. Then I thought, maybe this guy is trying to save himself because he has a better power role. Can't be a whole lot of mafia left. If you are that desperate to be saved it can't be a good thing. Don't mind Scott, he is just slow and has a history of suspecting townies. This day can't be over any sooner. -_- |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 17:43:43 All game Etch you have been on my ass and every time I post at you I ask "What are your reasons for suspecting me?" Every single solitary time the question is avoided, sidestepped, dodged, or just plain ignored. So I will ask in one final time. ETCH, WHAT ARE YOUR FUCKING REASONS FOR SUSPECTING ME TO BE ON THE SIDE OF THE MAFIA? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/03/09 at 17:45:37 ^You can't read. Not like someone will admit they are mafia anyway, call it a gut feeling. x] Extol, Darius, and Superyoshi better fucking end this day soon. I'm not responding to more bullshit which will confuse the town. If Jabes admitting he is mafia is a ploy to take votes off MVT don't fall for it guys. Adios |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 17:46:25 DODGED ONCE AGAIN. MY POINT PROVEN!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 17:50:24 Its not a ploy, and i dont care what you "read" into it. Vote me out. Ive already started my own bandwagon. Your move, town. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 17:52:14 wtf do we do ? Should I finally just reveal my role and all my actions? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Padzup on 06/03/09 at 17:55:30 guys, mvt staying alive is clearly absolutely essential to mafia winning. keep your votes on mvt mvt/jabes: if you are mafia considering surrendering you are both faggots for making everyone go through all this just to end it in a whimper |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 17:56:22 I already revealed my role. The sooner this game ends for me the better, because i cant stand literally watching people view the topic, attempt to post, change their mind, and then leave the topic. Kill me. Kill me, please? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/03/09 at 17:58:07 Come on Joe. Take a break and go bowling. And when your mind is clear, then come back. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Padzup on 06/03/09 at 17:58:23 jabes you had better not do what i think you're going to do. that would be low. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 17:59:22 If you dont vote me, then at least kill Scott. Ill only want to keep playing if hes out. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 17:59:40 My role is not mafia padzup. You stupid idiot. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 18:01:29 Since no one has the balls to proceed. Unvote Vote Jabes This puts me in danger even more with a -1 off sportsguy. But I just don't fucking know what to do anymore. If people REALLY want to know I will reveal my role and all actions I have taken thus far. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 18:04:06 Thank you. At least you know when to kill a townie with no power role. Lets get this ball rolling! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 18:05:27 1D27003C352015133B3B30003C3D3A33540 wrote:
WTF is this shit. How can it even be replied to? Fucking bandwagon riding cunt. Padzup is brainwashed by etch too. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Padzup on 06/03/09 at 18:06:47 are you kidding? have you even read my posts? i had my own reasons for voting you and you know it. pulling this crap is just making it worse. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 18:08:02 UNVOTE That's it I am fucking done and I will not vote for anyone else. I am tired of the tricks and schemes town is playing on eachother. I am the Town Know It All aka Jack Of All Trades. I have the ability one time each to make a vigilante kill, scan someone, protect someone. I scanned syzygy last night and he is mafia. I have yet to use the other two powers. Kill me then if you still disagree. I have had far more than enough of the bullshit. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Etch on 06/03/09 at 18:09:10 You are lying. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 18:09:36 No I am not. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Music Theory Expert on 06/03/09 at 18:13:54 Vote: MVT Obvious Mafia is obvious. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 18:21:35 Because we havent voted off syzygy, and he hasnt posted anything with relevance, i want to know why the town hasnt fucking stepped up and offed him already. The entire town is being once big piece of dump, and to watch this all happen with literally no control over it makes me puke. What a disaster of a game. The town got owned with EASE... Way to make it happen. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 18:22:50 Who do you want me to vig kill or protect tonight so I can proove myself? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 18:26:12 ah fuck that is a bad idea if mafia has any sort of protector themselves I would fail mightily now when I think about it. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Kmacc on 06/03/09 at 18:26:37 This game is getting so stupid. Lynch MVT today. Mafia, kill me tonight and take me out of this mess. If you guys make stupid lynches maybe I'll just post my role pm to further help your goal of town losing, you guys seem to want to get there asap. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Jabes on 06/03/09 at 18:33:56 I do. It takes the entire town's effort to win. When only a handful of townies post, i'd rather die than keep playing. I dont care if the mafia kills me tonight, but they wont, because i dont have a power role. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Kmacc on 06/03/09 at 18:53:42 If you are serious about town winning, you'd vote for MVT. He is the cancer that is trying to tear the town apart, can't you see? Like I said earlier, if we go for mvt, flo and syzygy, that's at least 2/3 mafia kills, probably even 3/3. I don't know if there's a 6th mafia member, but our chances will be awesome from that point. If you guys want town to win then you'll see this is true. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 18:58:19 then kill flo or syzygy now and give me a chance to prove my innocence. If either of those are mafia you know I am not bullshitting you. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Kmacc on 06/03/09 at 19:05:49 I'm willing to take some chances. :-* And you could be throwing them under the bus, how do we not know that? I said this earlier today, I explained the whole possible situation. You even told me it was good analysis! You must know I'm right. ;D |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 19:07:43 Since Etch and kmacc are so confident about who everyone is this game let's kill one of their canidates besides me. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 19:08:51 Since NO ONE except Darius believes me about Syzygy. I will make one last ditch effort and go along with kmacc and etch's hunches. VOTE FLO |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Kmacc on 06/03/09 at 19:13:01 I believe you about syzygy being mafia. I just don't believe you about yourself being town. I'll admit if my projected mafia team is really what I said it was (You, Clark, Oneshot, Syzygy and Flo), then I give you a lot of credit as the only one actually trying, and tricking some of these people who are so lost. You just can't squirm your way out of this one, the town has to be stupid enough to help you with that. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 19:13:04 come on etch have some balls and follow up on your offer you made to lynch flo instead of me. I am sick of the disunity. I have presented so many scenarios and ideas. Not one of them has been followed up on. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 19:14:38 I am not squirming. More like thinking wtf at this disunity. >:( |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 19:15:52 4D4B474545260 wrote:
Kill flo then man. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 19:28:46 Oh wait but then Etch and Kmacc would actually have to get off their high chairs of supremacy and put there asses on the line. Oh maybe we should reconsider. We wouldn't want the poor guys to actually go along with anything I said. Now they probably will reply with oh no we don't suspect Flo he is 100% town and you are the only 100% mafia...BLAH BLAH BLAH. Etch can't even hold a promise. Kmacc can't even take a risk. These two seem to sway everyone in the town but are scared to death of doing the dirty work. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 21:43:21 Lol you guys! MVT IS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT MAFIA He didn't even describe the role of Jack properly, how do I know this? It's because I AM THE FUCKING JACK YOU FUCKING MORON. Now that I've said that, I can tell you all I have left is the roleblock, so I'm basically worthless and it's fine for me to say what I've done. When I got the PM, it told me I am town Jack, and I can do the following once each: Kill Protect Roleblock Scan MVT only claimed there were three things the Jack could do. His gamble would've at best led to someone saying they were also the Jack, but he fucked it up big time because I am the Jack and he didn't even describe the role properly. In the initial PM, Ivo told me Pobre had already used the Protect role (didn't tell on who), and I was left with only Kill, Roleblock, and Scan. On the first night, I used the Scan on Sword because he was the only player left in the game who had said absolutely nothing. Sword has returned as Town, so he's clean. I was subtly but clearly showing this when I made that list of 7 people who were left. By "accidentally" leaving out Sword as he wasn't on Oneshot's list or the list of remaining suspects I had made, I think some people probably noticed what I was saying about him. Last night I killed Cooper. Since George was the vigilante, either he killed Cooper as well or he chose to not kill anyone, again. I went after Cooper because he seemed scummy, and I basically followed what Etch had been saying and just went for one of the people he was suggesting because they all sounded solid. As I said before, it's 100% fine for me to claim my role now because I only have one (totally useless) power left, and my value has reached that of a normal townie. You can now all thank me for my services, and lynch MVT. Don't let him try to claim there are two Jacks, because he didn't even describe the role properly...mega fail! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 21:54:00 Who says we should believe your pathetic ass? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 21:55:04 Hey guys, I have an idea, if we lynch Sportsguy first, (because we think he is mafia), there will be 2 possibilities: - Sportsguy is mafia and MVT and me (obviously) are innocent. - Sportsguy is not mafia and MVT would obviously be because he was one of the first who voted for him. BTW, I don't really see the point of voting forme MVT, everybody knows that I'm a townie and they will suspect you much more after having killed me. >:( |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:00:10 First off Pobre was not even online at all until after you were made his replacement. How could he have possibly pmed Ivo when he was NOT ONLINE. So that leaves you with your 4 bullshit things that you claim. You say you have 1 left. Mathematically that is not possible. You joined the game on Day 3. So you could have only possibly used one of your powers in one night (night 3). If you somehow managed to squeeze in another one on night 2, that leaves you with 2 powers left. I repeat Pobre could not have used any of the powers, he simply was not online. You are ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC SCOTT. Learn to count. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:02:19 Flo I agree with you 100% but I am on the verge of death and they would rather see you die for some reason. >:( |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:06:59 Okay you're right I still have two moves left. Forgot that Pobre hadn't even been online, I still have two powers left, protect and roleblock. Just wanted to make myself appear less valuable to avoid being killed at night. But you are a total idiot by posting that the Jack role only has three powers. Moron. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:07:32 I have a terrible feeling if I go to sleep I will wake up dead and town will be mourning. What is wrong with Flo's idea? I actually think it is the smartest thing that has been said all day. I will roll the dice and put my ass on the line if sportsguy turns out to be mafia than just kill me. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:08:14 Scott you just lost all your credibility by lying. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 22:09:09 Well I don't like to repeat myself, but if you lynch me, then they will all obviously suspect you. Believe me. I may believe you when you say that your role is very important and that would be a big mistake if we killed you and you are right not to reveal it if you are in the townies side. And that's why I keep my vote on Sports atm. If Sports is not mafia, then I'll turn to you MVT. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:10:15 675D7A464F5A6F6941414A7A464740492E0 wrote:
Let's get down to business and finalize something we can both agree on eh? If we lynch sportsguy, he can either be town or mafia. If he mafia have some faith in me. If he is town kill me ASAP. Fair? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:10:59 MVT: I just wanted to make myself appear less valuable of a town power. Either way I'm giving up what I had done, and it is the truth. You can't be the Jack because you described the role wrongly lol. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 22:11:08 Stop repeating exactly the same sentence as me man! ;D |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:13:19 Flo: Pull the fucking trigger, vote MVT. Just do it. I will tell you right now, he cannot be the Jack as he claimed, this is because he described the role incorrectly. You know you want to, so do it! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:13:37 Unvote. Scott enough of the sillyness. You are not the jack so you don't even know how the role would sound if it hit you in the face. We both vote sportsguy and if he is town kill me asap, I will let you all lynch me 1-2-3 without even an argument. For town to win you gotta be able to cut a deal. This is it scott, your chance to help the town. Vote Sportsguy001 |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:15:50 I am following Flo's plan. It is the only smart thing suggested all fucking day! People who hate me can be happy and I can be happy. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 22:17:42 IsThatAGoodThing, I think MVT wouldn't say that if he actually was mafia. So I prefer letting him a chance to proove his innocence this day, and as he said, if Sports appears to be a townie, then we'll lynch him "asap". So for the moment we have 5 (or 6?) votes against Sports. We need 7 votes to lynch a player. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:18:17 Why would we lynch someone and delay your lynch in this fashion? We know you are mafia 100% because you are not the Jack, as you described the role wrong and I am the jack. This means you lied, and if you were town you would not lie about your role, so you are mafia. You expected someone else to claim Jack when you called it, but you didn't realize how badly you fucked up when you didn't even get the role right, what a total failure. I seriously didn't know what to think of you until you fucked up posting this fake role, dude. You've been flipping out at everything the entire game, and it's time for your reign to end. DIE MOTHERFUCKER. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:19:13 Flo: There are only two votes for Sporty and 6 votes for MVT right now. You can end this by voting for MVT. Do it. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:19:43 I can go on forever, you are not the Jack Scott. Clear your fucking head. I even caught you in a lie straight off the bat to prove it... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:20:28 No scott there are only 5 votes on me. Sorry to burst your bubble but Pobre's doesn't count. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 22:21:52 Really? O_o I absolutely didn't follow the end of this day at all then. ;D Well, I'll have to think about it then. But if we lynch MVT and that he actually appears to be THE Jack, then IsThatAGoodThing, you are dead! >:( |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:22:51 I really think we kill sportsguy for his suspicious posts through the entire game. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 22:25:00 We'll see after that. Unvote Vote: MVT |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:25:10 Flo maybe we should all just kill isthatagoodthing for lying about jack. And being a pest. [smiley=roll.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:25:29 Lol, MVT....you didn't catch me in a lie, I caught YOU in the fucking lie you fuckhead. You tried to bs us all that you are the Jack, and look where it's left you. If you truly thought you had caught me in a lie, your vote and Flo's vote would be on me like glue. Lol.... Flo: You are 100% right....if we lynch MVT and he turns out to be the Jack, I'm fucked....why would I EVER come out like this if I wanted to have that happen to me, it'd be suicide.... I'm the Jack, this shit is real, MVT is the fail. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:25:51 Flo that is what you treat me with after I unvoted for you? How dare??????? :'( |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 22:25:57 You say IsThatAGoodThing is not the town Jack but do you really have this role? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:26:11 Way to be, Flo! You've gone and done it. Good job, we only need one more vote now, since Pobre's vote doesn't count, MVT has 6 votes on him NOW. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:26:58 Yes flo I do really have this role. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:28:04 At least unvote and wait for some others like sportsguy to reply in the morning. Flo I am trying to save you from looking bad once I die. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:28:26 Lol. If you had properly described the role, I'd have thought Ivo put two Jacks in the game, since I had still thought you were clean until that point. Since you messed up and said you only had three powers, you royally screwed yourself. Just wait until another player gets on, you'll be toast in no time. Any player who posts at this point and doesn't vote MVT is absolutely retarded. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 22:28:28 Don't worry man. If you appear to be THE Town Jack, then I'll venge you after that. because I know exactly who will be mafia. ;) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:29:18 But man unvote I even help you out in your game when bitch adam L attack you game :-[ |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:29:26 See! Flo's got it right. If you are the Jack, everyone can have a fun time killing me...the Jack! You tried to say you caught me in a lie but I was the one who caught you in the lie....this is hilarious. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 22:30:42 That was normal. You had nothing else to do except to defend me, and that doesn't proove at all that you are not actually mafia. ;D (Where's the link?) xD |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:30:48 Scott you did lie. You said Pobre somehow used one of your magic powers when in fact Pobre was not online for over a week prior to you replacing him. You idiot. [smiley=bath.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:32:18 Flo look I even caught Scott in this lie of his Jack. I said pobre was not in the internet forum to use the role and isthatagoodthing said that Pobre did use his powers. NOT POSSIBLE FLO! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] unvote and let the pros end me if they want to . They know the English better to see the lie |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:32:32 Yes, that's a minor detail. I just wanted to make myself appear less valuable to avoid a night kill, but since I still do have the protect left, it doesn't really matter. At that point I had to tell what I had done and why, to prove to everyone how retarded you are being. It was a heat of the moment mistake that I shouldn't have made, meh. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Flo1 on 06/03/09 at 22:32:34 I gotta go to school now. I'll be back in 8 hours and I'll see the result of this case. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:33:24 no flo have the trust in me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 let the english speakers see isthatagoodthing lie!!!!!!!!!!! UNVOTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:33:35 Flo: You're mafia too and we all see it now...your best play would've been to just vote for MVT right off the bat lol. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:34:23 unvoteeeeeeeeee or you will be killed tomorrowwwwwwwwwwwww |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:34:23 MVT this shit is so hilarious...you're sucking Flo's cock for no reason. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by MVT on 06/03/09 at 22:44:02 *Takes off a bloodstained jacket* Well I think it is time to give in. I am trapped. The cops got me. Either Etch or Kmacc must be the cop for seeing me so early on in this game. Its been a hell of a lot of fun to rip you guys up. Finally I fucked up badly enough though that I don't see any hope. I turn myself in to the authorities and plead guilty to being a member of the mafia. I am sentenced to be executed in a few hours. To the fellow Mafiosos, keep killing. To the doubters, keep doubting. Farewell and goodnight, the show is over Act 4 (Day 4) is complete and the curtain for me is coming to a close. Unvote Vote: MVT |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/03/09 at 22:47:51 * takes a bow |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Ivootjes on 06/04/09 at 05:42:08 MVT has been lynched, he was just a regular mafia member Night 4 has started. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 4] Post by Ivootjes on 06/05/09 at 04:15:00 Nobody died tonight! Day 5 has started it will end somewhere in 72 hours From now on honko will host this game for a week as i'm going on holiday. I didn't know this when i opened the topic (heard this only last week) So i can't do much about it. My only choices were to either pause the game or find a co-host. I'll be sending honko all the roles and info he needs now. He'll decide when today ends. I don't know when he has some spare time. Good luck and see you in a week. :) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by ☆Sword☆ on 06/05/09 at 05:47:26 Wow, this game is pretty much a bunch of fucked up shit, to be honest. The 1vs1 between MVT and Scott ended well, at least. Seeing as Scott is the Jack of all Trades, we need to know your action for last night. It may be the reason why nobody died. I very much doubt mafia not making a kill at all, so somebody was roleblocked, and we need to find out who. As for likely remaining candidates, SportsGuy would seem like a good option, or Flo. They are both ridiculously hard to read, it seems they play the exact same way no matter which team they are on. SportyGuy has been bandwagoning the entire game, and Flo shows up last minute to rally with MVT, even though he just looks more suspicious to me after last night. I doubt Jabes roleclaim was true, looked more like a desperate cry for help to get away from Scott [smiley=dead.gif] So we've nailed MVT, Clark and Oneshot, there must be 2 or so remaining. The fact that noone got killed last night gave us the advantage. List of remaining players : 2. Flo1 Flo is a nightmare, in all cases. Probably at the top of the mafia list for me, thinking railing MVT last night would make him innocent? Looked like a ploy to me. Definitely consider getting rid of him. 4. Isthatagoodthing (replaced pobre) Had my doubts at first, but the roleclaim he did last night seems pretty legit. He messed up MVT with it, and it explains actions of previous nights. Scott, what action did you do last night and whom did you do it to? 5. Kmacc Badgering on MVT the entire game, mentioning how he is mafia in (practically) every post. Definitely legit, mafia would not do this 6. Padzup I have no doubts on you, you post suffice detail and explain your thought processes well. 7. Sword (replaced BB-X) I wish I could have posted more, but it was so much of a mess I couldn't find time to put something in that would have been of any use. I wasn't around during the MVT mess though, but I wished I placed a vote ... 9. Syzygy What a quiet fucker. He plays like this in every single game and he cannot be read because of this, so it seems we are taking a 50/50 when lynching him. I won't argue that he is a good candidate, but there are better, less risky people to rid 11. Superyoshi Constantly badgering on Tim and his lack of efforts throughout the entire game, and also posting sufficient insight on other people, he is good to me 13. Etch Seems you're getting pretty tired at the attitude of people in this game, and I can see why. But I'm not one to speak however, that would be ridiculously hypocritical. Who do you think we should get rid of next? You seemed 100% with the MVT lynch so I'm wondering who your next candidate is. 15. Sportsguy Damn, you really didn't help the town at all, because all you ever do in here is jump on the bandwagon or say you think someone is fishy and vote for them, then leave, and your posts contain not a lot of content at all. Seeing as we kept you around until the very end of the last mafia game and you turned out to be mafia, you could easily be mafia again, just like Clark has been. Definitely a candidate for a lynch 18. Extol You have been posting occasionally, but I don't know what to think of you. You could be from either team but to be honest you are of no threat as of now so I won't worry to much into it. 19. Darius You seem pretty smart at this. Seeing as MVT is dead and we cannot trust him, but Tim could just be a useless mafia, so there is still a chance. Like I said before though, we should go for someone more threatening. Who would you vote for a lynch as of right now? (Excluding Scott, of course :P) 20. Jabes You've done a good job of everything so far but it seems that your passionate hate for Scott has caused you to stop caring XD I'll ask the same to you ... Who is more of a threat ; Flo or SportsGuy ? I mean, what the hell ... 56756A77717662707C353534050 wrote:
That's all the mafia guys say ;D Would you swear on your family that you are not? ::)[/quote] I would have no problem doing that. "I swear on my family that i'm not mafia."[/quote] This just looks really fake to me. He hasn't been helping much, and places votes on people at inconvienient times. He also thinks that "if there is nothing more to talk about, we should end the day" which I don't agree with. SportsGuy is smart. If we keep him around long enough and he is mafia he could screw us all up, just like he almost did last game. Flo is not smart. If he is mafia and we keep him alive another day he won't cause much harm, because he is ridiculous in that sense. Not gonna vote yet because I don't want to start a bandwagon, I want to know who others would prefer to lynch. I also agree with Etch, we need to get this shit moving if we even want to stand a chance. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Flo1 on 06/05/09 at 06:30:29 Ok... I just thought about something last night and I want to say it right now. I hope you'll understand my way of thinking: 1F2E27271F2A272E4B0 wrote:
This implies 2 things: - He knows Sportsguy is not mafia and is happy to get one more night to kill an other townie before he gets himself killed. - (which is for me the most obvious) MVT tries to save his own skin by lynching Sportsguy instead of him, knowing that Sports is mafia. So that, he'll appear innocent to Isthatagoodthing and me and we'll obviously think MVT is a townie. So I'll keep my vote on: Sportsguy. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/05/09 at 06:42:17 Vote Flo You were hardcore defending MVT last night after it was obvious that he was mafia. That screams mafia to me. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Flo1 on 06/05/09 at 06:50:26 That was not my fault! I was very suspicious about MVT, but I was much more about you and I'm still now for the reasons I gave. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/05/09 at 08:39:54 I blocked Extol! Of course, town may have another blocking role, but you get the idea! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/05/09 at 12:17:27 Town Players Sportsguy001 Etch Darius Jabes Isthatagoodthing Sword |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Padzup on 06/05/09 at 12:27:35 I feel bad that Extol is mafia so often since he's a much better town player. From here it seems that there's an established set of town players who are picking off those remaining so the game is probably going to be close to ending. I'd say it would take another 2-3 days though. Keep Extol around, his actions will probably reflect those of the rest of mafia and if he doesn't bother posting anymore he's still a confirmed mafia under town's belt. Better to scope out the rest of mafia first since lynching a proven maf isn't going to give anyone any information really (a teammate would be retarded not to throw him under). I would go into more detail but then mafia would know what not to do. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Etch on 06/05/09 at 13:35:55 To sum up my emotions on day 4... I refuse to go along with this and I have seen through all of your lies MVT you wicked, wicked, devil! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UXmTGK4M[/media] No one died, lmao. Besides Scott, there could be a regular role blocker so we can't know for sure who is mafia if they both used their power. They could have targeted two different guys or the same one. I want this clarified before we label Extol as part of the mafia. For now, it's super obvious Flo is mafia. Although MVT had no power role, he was willing to throw other people under the bus to save himself. He tried to get votes against Tim, Flo, and Sportsguy mostly. His dumb ass idea was to ride it out to the end probably gaining our trust after we lynched an actual mafia that he put forth. Why else would he had been so adamant in his posting? I don't know how many mafia are left but we seem to be in good shape. With so few mafia players left, I have no doubt in my mind they will deny everything to stay alive so don't be fooled. We just have to pick the most likely guys off one by one. No sense in lynching guys we are unsure about now because it is very close to the end. Most of our power role players are alive so I want to hear some fucking feedback if it allows us to determine all of the remaining mafia. So we take our pick, Flo or Tim for tonight's lynch. With MVT gone the town can discuss things in some sense of peace and quiet. [smiley=happy.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Darius on 06/05/09 at 15:24:13 I think Tim's the best choice out of those two. Not only was MVT trying to use him to convince us that he was town, if he's town and we get into a lynch-or-lose situation, not having his vote is going to kill us. I think it narrows down the already pretty small field of possible mafia and either gets rid of a mafia or gets rid of an easy option for the mafia to cast suspicion on. Vote: Syzygy Sportsguy: why are you so sure Jabes is town? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Kmacc on 06/05/09 at 15:29:26 Damn, I don't even feel like making analysis at this point in time. It's either Flo or Tim. Tim hasn't been active at all, so if he's still around he may not even make his night kills for mafia. vote: Flo If I had to pick one of the two as mafia, it'd be flo over tim. But it's probably both. If roleblocker blocked either tim or flo, then extol should be safe. Roleblocker doesn't have to come out and say this though unless they really want to. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by ☆Sword☆ on 06/05/09 at 15:40:20 77544B56505743515D141415240 wrote:
Wait what? So we are ok with SportsGuy all of a sudden? What the fuck? I'm still suspicious of SportsGuy but I guess if you guys are willing to let that drop for now then there isn't anything I can do ... Well, if it's either out of Tim or Flo, I'll go for Flo, because he just reeks suspicion with his posting. He has been less helpful than Tim in a way and Etch is right ... he's pretty much super mafia. Vote: Flo1 Lets get this day done with, we need to get rid of the mafia and fast, the more time they have the worse it will be for us. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Ivootjes on 06/05/09 at 15:47:29 Last time i check the topic before my holiday. Good luck Honko :) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Darius on 06/05/09 at 15:47:58 Sword, what are you doing? You're suspicious of Sportsguy, right? If that's the case, why on earth would you not only give up easily and go along with everyone else but also vote for the same person as him?! I think he's suspicious too; don't you think it's pretty stupid to vote for the same person as someone you think is mafia? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Honko on 06/05/09 at 16:09:06 Sup underlings. This day will end in 72 hours from now, if you decide to wait that long. That's 5pm pacific time Monday. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by ☆Sword☆ on 06/05/09 at 16:10:39 We need to get an eventual lynch going, and It seems I'm the only one who would be voting SportsGuy. Me placing my vote on one person and hoping for a switch isn't going to get anything done, we need a lynch and I seem to be the only one willing to vote SportsGuy today ???? I also knew this, I was voting for the same person he was. I simply don't see the point in ridding Tim when SportsGuy and Flo are still around. But if you insist on me actually voting on the person I want to vote for, and spanding out the day even longer, then I will do so gladly at your request. Hopefully someone will agree with me here Vote: SportsGuy001 |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Darius on 06/05/09 at 16:17:41 I just think you ought to review the situation more instead of saying 'oh well, no-one will listen, I'll just vote for who they want'. Do you think one of the remaining mafia members would vote for another almost instantly? Do you think Sportsguy would have voted for MVT as early as he did yesterday if he was mafia? I think there's more than one point to lynching Tim: MVT seemed like he was risking his whole game on Tim being mafia to clear his own name, which implies that Tim actually was mafia; and to rid ourselves of a player who we know nothing about and won't be able to provide a vote or any input. I don't want a player like that in the game towards the latter stages. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Etch on 06/05/09 at 19:22:11 Maybe it's just me but mafia wouldn't be stupid enough to keep throwing each other under the bus? Sportsguy would definitely take the quiet approach at this stage in the game. Even if he is, it's way better to kill off Tim or Flo tonight regardless. We escaped the last night with no killings, we have to lynch a mafia today to keep our numbers up. You guys are right to feel a little suspicious but remember we don't know all the roles yet so most of us are keeping some information from the town for a good reason. You have to dig down into your gut to see the truth. It doesn't do us much good if we all start role claiming at the end. Vote: Flo1 |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Padzup on 06/05/09 at 19:54:08 Forget about Tim for now, if he chooses to ignore this game then all it means is that mafia loses a vote. He obviously doesn't give enough of a damn to bend to town's will to avoid a lynch so really it would probably be a better idea to lynch him if we have no other leads on the rest of mafia. And like Kmacc said Tim is probably too lazy to bother with night actions anyway. Flo seems to still be trying. I don't think I need to explain any further as to why Flo is more dangerous than Tim. It is obvious that he is mafia and hopefully nobody is trying to debate that. Extol should probably post sometime before he's put under the spotlight if he wants to have any hope of staying alive though. vote: Flo1 Also: where has SuperYoshi gone off to? I'd like some input from Jabes as well, Scott is no excuse for not posting. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/05/09 at 19:55:40 I'm going with Flo....that stuff he tried to do with MVT before MVT finally just threw in the towel was hilariously fail. unvote Vote: Flo Can't believe Sportsguy made a list of proven townies and put Darius on it but not Padzup. He also listed himself first :p Those two are probably in cahoots, and could be our last two mafia after Flo. Tim's been quiet lol...Darius is the one pushing for him now, and MVT was before. His total silence is so odd....since MVT faked being a Jack, I suppose they could be faking him being silenced or something, lol. It hurts a lot now, though, that Tim's so quiet, because he's unable to vote to help out the town, if he's town. His presence is not helping us and could be still hurting us (if he's mafia). If he happens to be like scanner, and is silenced, that's a major lol...he could be chilling there at home silenced wishing he could tell us who the remaining mafs are, lol. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/05/09 at 19:57:38 Darius: Your little play there explaining that MVT was probably throwing Tim's life away is not very good. MVT was toast already...if he had convinced us to kill off Tim that day, it would be simply to buy himself an extra day and get the mafia one extra kill. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by Padzup on 06/05/09 at 20:02:12 Thought I should mention that Sword forgot to unvote so the Day is over. Scott I'm not sure if you meant to end the Day since you probably didn't see my post. If not, my bad. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 5] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/05/09 at 20:22:19 Oh shoot, yeah I realized he forgot to unvote, but didn't realize we were so close already....ahh well, it's fine...Flo was toast after what he and MVT tried to pull last night, lol. Better get Honky on the phone to lock this snapper up! |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 5] Post by Honko on 06/05/09 at 22:31:02 Flo1 totally died. He was just a regular townie. "whoops" It's dark outside. PM me your night actions in the next 24.5 hours (by midnight pacific). |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 5] Post by Flo1 on 06/07/09 at 00:04:38 Well you lynched me and you saw that you all were wrong except the mafia players. So I hope you'll venge me and that you'll follow my way of thinking from now. Good luck guys. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 5] Post by Honko on 06/07/09 at 00:12:58 How about players who happen to be mods stop unlocking the topic whenever they feel like it and wait for the host from now on. Sounds like a plan. 1 guy died last night. :'( It was Sword. :'( He was just a regular townie. :'( List of Lively Players 4. Isthatagoodthing (replaced pobre) 5. Kmacc 6. Padzup 9. Syzygy 11. Superyoshi 13. Etch 15. Sportsguy 18. Extol 19. Darius 20. Jabes There are 10 players on that list. 6 votes to lynch. Day ends in 69 hours. That's 10pm pacific time Tuesday night. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Night 5] Post by Etch on 06/07/09 at 00:18:05 Killing Flo narrowed the search. Like I have said before, you never know with that guy because he is completely retarded at this game. Three guys I don't know about yet, Tim, Extol, and Superyoshi. Day 6 and no power roles for town have died besides the vig. If there is a cop and role blocker it might be helpful now to get a confirmed kill today. If not, Extol or Tim seem the next best bet. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/07/09 at 00:20:02 Yeah, Extol/Tim look the most likely targets, we seem pretty close to getting done with our business here..... Extol and Tim are being so quiet it's not even funny. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Darius on 06/07/09 at 00:42:49 If there is an investigative role out there who has enough information to win this one then they should speak up now. The field is pretty narrow already, even some confirmed innocents can help us to whittle it down even more. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/07/09 at 02:11:49 Town Players Sportsguy001 Etch Darius Jabes Isthatagoodthing Padzup |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 06/07/09 at 04:13:00 Sorry for being inactive recently, I have a lot of problems with my network, so as for now I will be rarely online, and it will be hard to follow the game :-/ Too late to ask to be replaced, the game is close to his end... maybe. The last day lynch was way too quick, although I really though was maf trying to distant himself from MVT... Short days NEVER benefit the town it seems. We could have grabbed more informations about Extol, who hasn't posted since Day 5, when Scott roleblocked him... sounds like he won't post to not make mistakes unless some votes are directed on him Vote : Extol |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Extol on 06/07/09 at 06:45:50 im pretty sure Sportsguy is making a roleclaim as cop with his list of town players. that being said, i think Tim is mafia because MVT was pushing so hard for a lynch of him, and im pretty sure it was only to save himself. vote: Syzygy |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Kmacc on 06/07/09 at 07:14:48 If sportsguy's list is correct, that'd narrow the field down to four players: Myself, Superyoshi, Extol, Syzygy. 16 town vs. 5 mafia sounds more normal than 17 town vs. 4 mafia, so there would be at least two mafia players left. I myself know that I am not mafia, so that narrows the list down to three for me at least. Superyoshi has been the least suspicious of the three so far and has helped more than the other two combined, and I would be surprised if he turned out mafia, but you never know. So that leaves last two mafia probably as Tim and Extol. This logically makes the most sense imo. Tim must be active though, unless roleblocker made a stupid move or something happened to mess it up. Roleblocker could have blocked extol last night and if there was a death, then the other mafia would have had to make it, so I'm going to assume Tim is making night actions. MVT was more willing to throw syzygy under the bus earlier in the game, which makes me think that tim is just a regular mafia and is expandable. If that were the case, chances are the other mafia member would have to have some kind of power role. Since I feel extol is the other mafia, I shall go with him for now, unless you guys bandwagon tim and ends the day earlier. vote: extol Both cop and roleblocker should use their power against the one between tim and extol who doesn't get lynched today. Any thoughts on that? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: everybody is mafia edition [Day 6] Post by Padzup on 06/07/09 at 08:01:18 Yeah it was basically my fault that we quicklynched yesterday so I won't be voting yet. Unless roleblocker claims it's probably safe to assume Extol is mafia. At this point if Kmacc is right about there being only two mafia then roleblocker wouldn't be in much danger for claiming either. But that's their decision to make. I'd like to remind everyone that there's a possibility that the town blocker blocked whoever went for the kill. But even this implies that Tim was probably a goon given that mafia wouldn't be stupid enough to have one person perform both block and kill unless they had to. Extol trying to throw Tim under indicates that he's expendable. If Extol were a goon he would probably sacrifice himself so as to buy Tim another day. Or maybe he's just throwing a vote on him since he knows he has no hope anyway. From the looks of it either a bunch of power roles are alive or Ivo just made everyone vanilla. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/07/09 at 10:17:31 I assumed Tyler was claiming cop yesterday, as well....but I can't believe he would waste a fucking scan on Padz last night, as he's the new player on the list. Stop scanning sure town players and scan Extol/Tim/Superyoshi, etc :-\ I'll say Kmacc's logic bit there looks solid, with so few people left here we have to be careful not to get too many votes going on someone too quickly. vote: Extol |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Jabes on 06/07/09 at 10:46:19 MVT was pushing for a Tim lynch because he knew Tim wasn't going to even bother posting to defend himself, whether he is mafia or not. At this point I don't understand the point of killing Tim because it's a useless lynch. There are much better people to kill... Vote: Extol And Honko, again, I haven't been the one opening and closing topics. The only time I closed it was when the day ended, and I posted asking if I should lock it for Ivootjes, right after I noticed that he wasn't online anymore... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Honko on 06/07/09 at 10:53:53 Votals Extol - 4 Syzygy - 1 |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Extol on 06/07/09 at 11:44:45 i wonder if Tim will even know he's the last mafia left ;) unvote vote: Extol being mafia is boring, i dont mind throwing in the towel :P |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Etch on 06/07/09 at 11:48:05 Nice I always like beating people into submission. ;D Vote: Extol |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by MVT on 06/07/09 at 11:48:19 gg all game is over, tim sucked |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by MVT on 06/07/09 at 11:49:45 My biggest mistake was killing Honko night 1 (although everyone can agree what an annoying player he is) instead of killing ETCH [smiley=uzi.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Honko on 06/07/09 at 12:36:19 Me? Annoying? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Jabes on 06/07/09 at 13:10:56 So that's it then? Someone wanna write up an end to the game? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Honko on 06/07/09 at 13:35:38 Town wins GJ. Here's the roles. You'll have to wait for Ivo to get back if you want night actions and stuff. Mafia Clark - Godfather Syzygy - Roleblocker MVT - Goon Extol - Goon Oneshot - Goon Town Scott - Jack (kill/protect/block/scan) Sportsguy - Cop Borgeman - Vigilante (2 shots) Darius - Bodyguard (50% chance of dying) Everyone Else - Vanilla |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by ☆Sωοrd on 06/07/09 at 13:36:37 Funny game overall. Honko owns. 8-) At least now we know who will participate more and less in future games. Scott gets MVP for driving both teams insane. XD Nice job on Etch dominating the game, too. :D |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Sportsguy001 on 06/07/09 at 13:39:03 I wonder if syzygy did any night actions |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by MVT on 06/07/09 at 13:40:59 no I doubt that he did. He didnt even answer pms after day 1 I made every kill until I died ::) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 06/07/09 at 14:08:20 Lawl at Tim being roleblocker. Town couldn't lose with such setup at the beginning [smiley=roll.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Syzygy on 06/07/09 at 14:17:30 Wow, I didn't even know I was the roleblocker [smiley=lolk.gif] [smiley=chairshot.gif] Yeah, just couldn't be fucked tbh, the town were too organised from the start anyhow. I checked the topic every now and then but let myself get into too bad a position to be able to recover without lending an awful lot of time to the topic. Still, last mafia standing with only 2 posts. ::) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Padzup on 06/07/09 at 14:22:13 You didn't even check your role pm? [smiley=chairshot.gif] Figures that there would only be five mafia. This game kind of sucked in general but at least town managed to get it together with the MVT lynch. Honko when do you plan on starting your Lost game? |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Honko on 06/07/09 at 14:39:27 I'm not hosting any until late July or early August. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Kmacc on 06/07/09 at 14:48:56 GG town. Lol at MVT thinking either me or etch were cop. We're just that good. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Jabes on 06/07/09 at 15:06:03 Told you etch is the man. I spent the majority of the game debating on whether or not i was going to keep playing like last game and get killed, or slow play it and have Scott get the better of me. Obviously i chose the latter... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Padzup on 06/07/09 at 15:10:24 4E65627E630C0 wrote:
Great. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Darius on 06/07/09 at 15:18:00 Well, that was anticlimactic. Damn mafia lurkers. I hope whoever hosts the next game doesn't let anyone who lurked throughout this game in. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Borgeman on 06/07/09 at 17:13:51 ah well, at least i hit mafia once out of my two strikes ::) George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by KoopZ on 06/07/09 at 19:30:53 good game everyone, lolz at tim not knowing he was in the game. you should've checked anyway, you could've tried to come up with something at least. did anyone ever figure out why jeff couldnt get online? prolly would've had a lot more posting action if he had actually been able to play. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/07/09 at 19:57:39 His ISP was down for 8 days. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by MVT on 06/07/09 at 20:01:26 Game is over now unban me from irc punk. [smiley=evil.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Flo1 on 06/08/09 at 00:18:32 GG to all of us!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] BTW, I WILL host the next game so just tell me when you want to start it... I would say like: the 12th of July... What do you think? ::) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by karterfreak on 06/08/09 at 03:12:20 TBH, It'd probably fail again. Anyways, congrats town. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Flo1 on 06/08/09 at 05:21:36 I hope not because my game idea is very good. Or, I got an other idea someone else will host it but he'll use this idea (if you absolutely don't want me to hst one...). :D |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by MVT on 06/08/09 at 06:26:10 There probably wont be a "next game" Flo :-/ |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Flo1 on 06/08/09 at 07:05:02 What!! :o Why? :'( |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Darius on 06/08/09 at 08:46:07 For those interested, my protection targets were Padzup, Cooper, George and Kmacc. I protected George night 3 and Ivo made an error (probably because I called him George instead of Borgeman) and let George die anyway. As a result, I got an automatic block on whoever the mafia targeted on night 4, which was why no-one died (although Extol may have sent in the kill and got blocked anyway). |
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Title: Re: Mafia: everybody is mafia edition [Day 7] Post by Padzup on 06/08/09 at 11:36:13 Given that Tim didn't even remember he was in the game chances are Extol sent in the kill. Any reason for protecting me, or were you just unable to decide on someone? I'm going to call for a real mafia break this time, between now and Honko's game in the summer. Who's with me? vote: break |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by SuperYoshi1 on 06/08/09 at 11:45:28 Vote : LONG break |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Flo1 on 06/08/09 at 11:56:07 Vote: break But the next game will follow my rules. ;) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by MVT on 06/08/09 at 12:46:29 VOTE: NO MORE MAFIA EVER [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Darius on 06/08/09 at 12:48:45 I play elsewhere anyway, so a break is cool with me. Padzup: honestly, I had a pro-town read on you right from Day 1. I never thought you were mafia at any point in the game. The people you targeted and your reasoning all seemed very much like townie behaviour to me. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Borgeman on 06/08/09 at 17:39:17 5C796A716D6B180 wrote:
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! [smiley=uzi.gif] [smiley=dead.gif] George |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by MVT on 06/08/09 at 17:52:35 I used the "Golden Gun" ;D. http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4452/91419670.jpg |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Etch on 06/08/09 at 18:16:31 You probably meant this one. http://www.colibri-shop.co.uk/images/goldengun.jpg Since there always seems to be enough good town players, I don't know how mafia can ever win. If we let people who won't seriously play or don't pay attention at all, it will always be lopsided. You give out too many power roles, even a retarded mafia can win. It's hard to find a good balance but sure makes it amusing each time around here. Another win for town! [smiley=uzi.gif] |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by MVT on 06/08/09 at 19:57:06 its impossible for mafia to win without wayyy better communication. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/08/09 at 20:03:36 If mafia don't have a constantly open/signed in AIMchat running for the duration of the game, they would be retarded. Perhaps a Google Doc, etc. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by MVT on 06/08/09 at 20:05:23 [smiley=roll.gif] I tried my best to single-handedly cause as much trouble as possible but failed in the end. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Darius on 06/09/09 at 08:54:22 It's quite common for mafia not to be able to talk during the day at all, Scott, yet mafia often win under those conditions. I think there have been several problems for mafia so far: the one we saw most clearly in this game, which was people just not bothering to play; massive overkill on power roles, which happened in Honko's last game; the fact that most people here know each other quite well in general and find it easier to read people than if this game was played on a mafia-only forum; and some straight-up terrible mafia play. My own mafia team were guilty of the last when they tried to get Etch lynched on D1 in a desperate attempt to avoid Howes getting killed. If people are up for it, I'd play/run the standard newbie setup that I've played on mafiascum.net, which is called F11. You can find the details here: http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=F11 Essentially, there are always 7 town and 2 scum, but you never know whether there's a cop, doctor or mafia roleblocker. There could only be one power role, or you could have all three. I'm not sure how well it'd work with the much faster days we have here, but it could be interesting to find out. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Honko on 06/09/09 at 08:58:41 Next game I'm gonna put in 5 bulletproof doctors just to spite you guys. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/09/09 at 09:00:27 Dairus: If everyone's signed in to an AIMchat or even easier, if your team makes a google doc or spreadsheet, etc (which is updated as each participant types), it doesn't matter if you're all online at the same time, messages can be easily and efficiently passed. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Darius on 06/09/09 at 09:09:51 No, what I was getting at is that you're not allowed to talk during the day. It's against the rules to leave any messages at all until someone gets lynched and night starts, then you have to stop as soon as day begins again. That would obviously be even more of a restriction here, where you only have 24 hours for night. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/09/09 at 09:29:47 Yes, but the mafia's leader can have an online "notes" type page which he can edit at all times, then when it's night the rest of the mafia can load it up and see what's up ;) |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Darius on 06/09/09 at 09:41:21 I think that wouldn't be in the spirit of the rules, really. On mafiascum we sometimes use a Quicktopic that the mod sets up so that he can see all the mafia communications and ensure they're only talking at night. Plus the concept of the 'leader' is problematic anyway. How do you decide who that is? And who becomes the leader if he is killed? In any event, I think that my original point was that it's entirely possible to win as mafia with relatively little communication; in fact, it may help in some cases because players might act more as individuals and less like a team in the topic, making it harder to pick out mafia partners as well as influencing typical playstyles less. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by IsThatAGoodThing on 06/09/09 at 09:46:38 Yeah. Of course I've never been mafia so I wouldn't know. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Ivootjes on 06/12/09 at 01:13:00 Back! and the game is over.... This game kinda sucked, it's obvious most people that signed up weren't really interested in playing it. I won't host a game again at least, or maybe in a year or so, when everybody has forgotten about it. I'll post all night actions soon. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Adam L on 06/12/09 at 10:02:29 Anyone who says mafia can't win is dumb, all it takes is a bit of misdirection and the town is fucked. Case in point, first game we played on the boards. edit - because I feel like typing more words and looking like a distinguished poster, town should move on hunches less and plan more. Mafia should plan less and go on hunches more. A plan almost always has a pattern of some sort and this is usually what leads to mafia members getting caught and town winning 80% of the games. |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Flo1 on 06/12/09 at 23:13:25 That's true. I think mafia could win this game because many townies were killed at the beginning. But, then, we found all the mafia people because of some mistakes they did... |
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Title: Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] Post by Adam L on 06/13/09 at 20:30:25 All this "mafia has to talk" is bullshit too. I talked to Goose like three or four times and Clark probably twice(being generous here) and we had no problems whatsoever. |
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