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https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Historical >> Old Topics >> LR 1'58"14 is a fact https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1054649397 Message started by Steven Zwartjes on 06/03/03 at 03:09:57 |
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Title: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Steven Zwartjes on 06/03/03 at 03:09:57 Been a long time since i posted something on the board. the reason is that im living on my own now, I don't have the money yet to buy my own computer. But i hope soon. I'm now at Lars nouwen's place. We have improved the KD flap strat a bit and we are both seeing a time of 39"30 now here.Lars is trying to get that now. he just raced a PR there: 39"60 but it wasn't a very good run he said. now about my LR time. I haven't played nintendo for ages but Lars got me into it again. he came over and I was glad i had still some MK64 skills left.when he left i tried SL 3lap for ages, got some good laps (38"51 1shroomer was my best). couldn't get a good 3lap down. THe got a blister on my thumb so had to quit playing.week later tried some more SL but nothing. SO to LR for some warming up. I noticed how easy i drove good laps here. I played all night, finally 11 AM i drove that insane record. it was driven 0-2-1 strat. I think sub 1'58 is possible but freaking hard. as MIchael Liem said there is no reason for me to lie about times.to tell u the truth I don't give much about MK64 and worldrecords anymore.but when i played with Lars all the MK64 excitement came back to me and i wanted to drive one last freaking WR.all that time i was thinking i'd nail it on SL 3lap.I used to drive way more consistent.nowadays it takes me like 12 hours to drive a PR.I think that was also the reason for me to quit playing MK64.but as BOoth once said.No one can retire MK64. they keep coming back and he is right:) If u have any questions on how I drove LR 3lap just ask lars. I was driven like my old WR 1'58"65 but with less mistakes,better glides and shorter slides. Lars has to go now so i stop typing now. later all, Steven ZWartjes |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Tim Everett on 06/03/03 at 10:52:10 Well, thanks for coming and telling us. I've never met you so I can't tell if you're an impostor, but it sounds like the respectable Zwartjes we've heard about. Back when I had, uh.... (calculator) 2:01.18 I could spot a decent amount of mistakes in that 1:58.65 and theorized that it's possible to go clear under 1:58. Retire from Mario Kart? I suppose you can only take breaks. I'm never going to retire, I might "stop" and come back or not, but no such thing as permanent quits. Well, two questions: 1. Do you MT inside the tunnel? 2. Do you use Everettstart? |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Lassietoverrijst on 06/03/03 at 12:19:55 as steven said, ask lars... :) 1 he has the same strat and the same number of MT's... so watch his 1'58''6. It includes a MT when getting into the tunnel, bounces the wall and one when leaving the tunnel, so no, no MT inside... 2 what's an Everettstart...? I know the term, I know it's fast, but I don't know the strat. And steven is doing the same as I do, so I don't think he's secretly playing with everettstrats... ;) Does it save much? As Steven said, we improved the KD flap strat a bit... Even I can go for the WR now (well, don't expect me to dot it, but with a very great run it's possible). After we came to the conclusion that our strat was faster then the old one (the strat Penev's using in his former WR movie of 39''43 (PAL)) we went for a ghost and in third try or so I got that 39''60... New GOD for me! It was a nice race, but not special and far from being maxed with my skills... It's taped and I will try to get the vid online tomorrow... if you want to have it, contact me on lassietoverrijst@hotmail.com (MSN) Cheers, Lars :) |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Tim Everett on 06/03/03 at 13:44:47 http://www31.brinkster.com/theredrock/mk64/ click on "strats" at the top, then scroll down and click "everettstart" According to my tests, an SSMT inside the tunnel is faster than sticking to the wall. I ahven't passed my ghost yet using that, but it's because I onyl do it when I'm way behind. I do catch up though. |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Gravy_Smoothie on 06/03/03 at 14:04:31 lol tim, doesn't matter if he used everettstart or not. 1'38"25 and 1'38"26, when compared to 1"38"65 especially, are both equally ridiculous. about the ssmt in the tunnel, i dunno, i've never tried it...seems rushed, but might be faster. |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Tim Everett on 06/04/03 at 10:27:21 The only way I've gotten it to go faster is to sorta slam into the wall, but I'm sure if you angle towrad the corner instead, it's faster- an Elite A person would probably have trouble with this. You begin the next MT a little later because you can RIDE THE GLIDE a bit. |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by MK Elite Mark on 06/04/03 at 13:48:57 stop stealing my catch phrases! 8) SSMTing in the tunnel probably isn't faster, since the beginning of the tunnel is downhill and your speed increases due to the decline and through the bottom of the dip and as you start coming up and out of the tunnel you are preparing your exit MT anyway... my advice stick as close to the wall as possible. Until you get stuck in the low 1'38"s and can't seem to improve I wouldn't suggest messing with a different strat ;) |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Tim Everett on 06/05/03 at 12:30:22 "ride the glide" was one of your catch phrases? ;) From what I've seen you can catch up and don't lose ground from the next MT. It's because the SSMT gives you speed going uphill, I can actually feel and hear(kart pitch) the difference I'll try tomorrow to verify it. Edit: About sticking to the wall, there seem to be several places where it doesn't seem to be faster. at the end of FS, I tried driving straight close to the edge, and my ghost with a right-facing SSMT just BLEW past me. I'm not sure about MR at the end too, an SSMT could be faster but it doesn't seem to from what I've seen (and my sloppy MTs) |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by shadow on 06/06/03 at 07:21:27 Just got back online after a week spent with my internetless family. :) Been catching up on all the posts here. So 1'58"14 is true..wow. I might test out that SSMT in the tunnel thing...I think I tried it before and it just wouldn't work well for me. I'll look up my NoMt guys time for MR tonight. What else..hmm....glad to see Bowser got a WR....I'll try get him a NonSc Legend time. |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Tim Everett on 06/08/03 at 06:41:51 I did the SSMT in the tunnel At my level I probably didn't do it that well, but the tiny lead my ghost had on me became tinier when I did the best of mine. So for the time being, at a 1:39.90/2:00.00 level, a well-done tunnel SSMT is worth 0.01-0.03 I don't like billing terms after names, but if you guys are grateful enough you can call it Everettunnel.....I'm up for "SSMT in LR tunnel" instead though You have to do the slide downhill and release the MT to go uphill. Maybe in a week or two I'll have it on vid. |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by MK Elite Mark on 06/08/03 at 10:45:25 Quote:
hahahahahahahahaha you actually think you are the first person to suggest this... rofl... you better check your head before it gets to big and explodes this idea has been around for as long as I've been a part of the community (2001) because I asked Booth why he didn't do one in the tunnel like the 2nd day I joined after watching his LR vid. and his response was because the general consensus was that doing an SSMT in the tunnel would not save you any time (and hadn't for those who had tried it to that time). So if I hear you or anyone refer to doing an SSMT in the tunnel as "Everettunnel" I'm seriously gonna ban their IP from this messageboard. ;) |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by thomasgx1 on 06/09/03 at 00:32:49 haha... it's true, anyone who hadn't thought of that on their first time watching a flawless LR run should be shot! it's crosses your mind but putting it into action is a different thing~ tom |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Tim Everett on 06/09/03 at 03:12:14 Actually I thought of the tunnel SSMT long ago but assumed that others already tried it and couldn't get it to work which was why it's not on the vids. The matter is getting it to work that counts, and I think it can work. |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by MK Elite Mark on 06/09/03 at 04:17:51 well Tim, you go ahead and get the WR SSMTing in the tunnel and then perhaps we'll start calling it Everettunnel ::) |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by thomasgx1 on 06/09/03 at 04:23:18 lol, yeah, i think it's probably faster do but you'd have to alter the knock-on effects of the ssmts/mt's before and after it! all the way forwards and back. i still think right of the ramps on KTB is faster.. but i'm not at a WR pace to prove it. conclusion: thinking means shit unless you can prove it. tom |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Tim Everett on 06/09/03 at 11:28:04 About KTB, I was frustrated once and went up on the ramps and appeared to gain on my ghost until reaching the cave. Obviously on the ramps is slower, but I'll have to give the right side a try. If you can go 1:20.2 doing that you'll probably cause a ripple on the community. |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by thomasgx1 on 06/10/03 at 00:34:40 well i'm not sure what my time is there anymore but i know it's quicker for me and sets me up nicer for my ssmt's and mt's. i did have a vhs of it, but it's back in london somewhere if anywhere, might knock up a vid over the summer tom |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Tim Everett on 06/10/03 at 02:10:44 Do you do an MT up/in the tunnel? If so, which way does it face? |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by thomasgx1 on 06/10/03 at 02:28:32 i do a right facing mt at the foot of the ramp and then i "swing" the kart to face the left and then i mt out of the cave, sami's seen it in action but can't get it to work properly cause he's not really practiced it. tom |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Lassietoverrijst on 06/11/03 at 00:46:49 wow, now we have an Everetttunnel and a Gaffikintunnel!!! Lars :) |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by thomasgx1 on 06/11/03 at 05:49:45 lol tom |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Tim Everett on 06/11/03 at 08:56:49 Yuh-oh, Jones, you gotta delete Lars!? :D |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by PYLemire on 06/12/03 at 01:40:04 Why do you want to name everything it's just a SSMT in a tunnel it's not anything special. Otherwise most shortcut would be call Wonnjump or Wonnwarp. |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by finn on 06/12/03 at 05:01:21 I'm really good at hitting the palm trees outside the tunnel in KTB. :-[ So I've started thinking about them as Norwegian Wood. ;) (Anyone still listening to the Beatles out there?) |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by thomasgx1 on 06/12/03 at 05:02:10 i dont really wanna name anything to be honest.. tom only tran should get a special mention |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by MK Elite Mark on 06/12/03 at 05:15:10 things necessary to have something named after you -significant improvement of an exisiting method (ie something which will save a considerable amount of time over the existing method). Tran-style saves like .5 per lap on RRo, MyleStyle is about 4 seconds faster than the normal LR SC. Another issue is, if it's the first SC found on a track, then the name defaults to ThatTrackName SC not whatever-style. In order to get something like MyleStyle you have to improve on an existing SC. -you must be THE FIRST person to try it and actually do it. For example, David Wonn first did the Choco Mountain Dual-SC in GP back in 1997 and then tried it back in time trials with no success. Alex Penev was the first to do it successfully in time trials, hitting it in the past year. Now if this new method were to have a name it would go to Wonn, not Penev, because Wonn was the first to try it. -the name must be given to the method by somebody other than yourself. otherwise every technique/strat today would be named after somebody (assuming everyone has huge egos like Everett ;) ) those aren't official rules btw, those are just some good rules of thumb that i'd consider appropriate... |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by AlexPenev1 on 06/12/03 at 12:41:45 Hehehe... Oh, yes, I also often call it "Wonn's SC", since he found all 7 or 8 (or is it 90 or1000) SCs in CM. It's a shame you let Louis have your NTSC WR there, Mark. |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Tim Everett on 06/12/03 at 15:29:11 Well well well! Jones, it seems you take what I'm saying seriously.....hope not since a lot of what I say is a joke (except the stats)....you seriously think I was gonna say Everettunnel? That was supposed to be kinda funny |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by MK Elite Mark on 06/12/03 at 17:50:14 so are you joking every time you say "Everretstart" then? because i never got that impression, and you didn't say anything in your post to indicate that you were joking usually you signify the fact that your joking with a 'hehe' or a ';)'... something to clue us in on what your trying to imply because as you might know, connotation is not easily derived in textual representations of language |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by finn on 06/12/03 at 19:18:41 "connotation is not easily derived in textual representations of language". I'm dying to be told in what way language exists outside its "textual representations"! |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by MK Elite Mark on 06/12/03 at 19:24:24 ummm.... verbal? :o |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by finn on 06/12/03 at 22:54:01 once you open your mouth and say "ummm", you produce what linguists call a"text". ;)But what you meant is of course right; that written texts lack contextual elements that are helpful to catch connotations in oral language. Thus it's not a bad idea to use the smileys when posting short messages here, as you say. :D |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by KevinBooth on 06/13/03 at 05:38:31 Way To Go, Finn! Not many can slam Jones like that. :) |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by MK Elite Mark on 06/13/03 at 07:47:03 Quote:
well it's not really a "slam" Booth... you have to remember we're talking different continents here. I'm no cunning linguist myself ;) ;) but I typically reserve the term "textual" for written/typed expressions of language. Finn might be right, but what I meant in my original post to Tim is that connotation is not easily derived from typed texts (hence the usage of emoticons). I think everyone but Finn knew what I meant (maybe) in my original post. But then again I never did like english/grammar/verbal studies... I was always a Math/Science/Logic type of guy so regardless of what I said and how it was interpreted it's what I meant that counts... right Tim? hehehehe |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by KevinBooth on 06/13/03 at 08:28:38 Yes, my school record shows that I wasn't much into those either, however it probably would help me to learn, considering the position I'm at. Cunning Linquist huh? Yes, I never mistaked you for one of those, or um ya, that other term :) |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by finn on 06/13/03 at 11:43:04 "I think everyone but Finn knew" ??? ??? Hey, Jones! I'm not that stupid. 8) I just felt the need to stand up for a persecuted minority (i.e. Tim) beeing abused through unqualified use of scientific terms. And if logic is one of your preferred fields, then you should be familiar with terms like these. Shame on you! >:( Finn |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by MK Elite Mark on 06/13/03 at 12:40:53 Quote:
nope but i'm familiar with terms like "idempotence", "DeMorgans" and "false positives" 8) |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by finn on 06/14/03 at 12:54:20 and that can only be a good thing to be In order to get anywhere in a discussion there has to be an agreement on basic values. I notice that you flag beer as a basic value, and I suggest that we try to establish that as common ground rather than logic. Beer often make more sense than logic, litterally speaking at least. Let us then make it clear that these truths are self-evident: 1. Beer is a nobler drink than wine 2. The best beer in the world is made in the Czech Republic In order to verify this we need a Czech karter. Do we have any Czech karters here? I said: DO WE HAVE ANY CZECH KARTERS HERE??? |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by thomasgx1 on 06/15/03 at 09:51:43 ok ok ok... we need to have a strong word about some of the bold statements being made there! By beer i presume you mean Lager? not Bitter or Ale? (if we're talking anything technical) 1: Beer is more noble than wine? hmm... tough call, the drinker or the act? 2: Sooo can't be right.. Staropramen is the nicest czech lager i've tasted of about 30. Ive sold over 14k pints of the stuff so can say it's pretty damn nice but it's no way the nicest lager. I'd put Stella Artois up there. tom |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Mark Fucking Jones on 06/15/03 at 15:21:24 Damn Czechs. Edit by administrator: Just to clarify this is Jimbo being a dumbass... gotta love the IP logging |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by Lassietoverrijst on 06/16/03 at 02:17:54 Hollands also own when it comes to brewing beer... Just Heineken and Brand Beer, there's nothing better. Lars :) |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by finn on 06/16/03 at 05:26:31 1.OK, lets stick to lager, then - though the Czechs produce other sorts. Plenty of tasty dark beer (tmale) - which they often mix with light (svetle). 2. Staropramen is great, and it's the Praguer beer. Go there and have it in one of the good old taverns with wooden tables and benches. But there are others; the original pilsener; Urquell, and not to forget Budvar, which in German is Budweisser. It has absolutely nothing in common with the American "beer" that also carries that name - it's more than the Atlantic ocean that separates the two. 3. I'm not sure wether what you get outside CR is the same they sell at home. What is certain, is that the real stuff is packed with a real, solid taste of hops. It's not "feminized" (sorry, girls), i.e. mildened/softened to suit the gentler palates, like other industrialized beers. (Heineken, Carlsberg, Stella Artois and all the "big" brands.) 4. The best beer never comes from the big breeweries. But that's an other discussion. 5. As to nobility: That has to do with tadition and lineage. Beer is older, quite simply. The point in saying this is of course that "wine lovers" tend to look down on beer drinkers. But there is a world of beers just as exciting as the wine world. (And then there is the social dimension, of course.) 6. Where are the Czech karters? I sincerely would very much like to see some Czech karters around. (I don't think MFJ is doing a particularly great job attracting those. He might by the way consider that they are NATO allies, and should not be alienated in this fashion. ;D) 7. 14k pints of Staropramen!! I'm amazed. How does it feel to be doing so much good to mankind? |
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Title: Re: LR 1'58"14 is a fact Post by thomasgx1 on 06/16/03 at 12:54:39 hmm.. just got in from work... selling some more staro tonite! lol... umm.. i was talking about it with my manager today and we're going for belgium.. more thougts when i'm more sober tom |
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