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Message started by David Wonn on 06/01/03 at 10:57:05

Title: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by David Wonn on 06/01/03 at 10:57:05

Yes, you heard it correctly. It has been almost 6 years since any heavyweight driver held a WR in MK64. As of 6:45 pm yesterday, I put an end to the long drought with a 2"57 sc lap in Wario Stadium with Bowser! The heavyweights are back!

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by Tim Everett on 06/01/03 at 13:16:50

not that your 2.59 wasn't fast enough......

but that's quite interesting. I remember seeing some heavyweights on the top ten lists for WS SC flap, but they weren't at the top......

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by thomasgx1 on 06/01/03 at 23:48:59

was it because bowser falls faster? if so.. everyones going to run back to YV!

tom

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by AlexPenev1 on 06/02/03 at 01:29:13

In flap you spend as much time in the grass as for the entire 3lap. Bowser sucks in the grass :)

Plus Bowser probably can't jump over the fence (3lap) =P

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by thomasgx1 on 06/02/03 at 04:08:25

ahhh... so falliung quicker wouldn't compensate for the slowdown on grass? and he just can't clear that fence??

tom

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by Tim Everett on 06/02/03 at 10:02:01

MK64 obviously defies the laws of physics.......
but a heavier object and a lighter object do not fall at different rates, as long as they have the same drag. If anything, Yoshi or Peach would fall faster than Bowser (Toad's head is too big for a faster fall)

I think heavyweights' handling of non-slide turns might do something, who knows

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by K_Horst on 06/02/03 at 14:04:44

Bowser can to hop the fence in YV SC 3lap!!! Give the guy some credit! :) I remember trying him for fun but i didnt notice any significant decrease in lap times

edit: congrats on the WR, btw ;)

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by avw6s on 06/03/03 at 17:25:31

Hey Wonn, you don't happen to have a video do you? Otherwise you could probably just answer my question. Does Lakitu end up being on the screen twice when you do a lap that quickly? The fastest video I've seen doesn't, but your time is considerably faster than that video.

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by thomasgx1 on 06/04/03 at 03:39:41

thats a pretty interesting question i'd like to know too!

tom ;D

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by David Wonn on 06/04/03 at 21:45:10

No, I don't happen to have a video, but I do have the ghost Dexed. I'm guessing that you're asking if it's possible to have 2 Lakitus on the screen at the same time (?) If that's the question then no, it shouldn't ever be possible as far as I know, even with faster laps. The reason I say this is based on the other Mario Kart games where I have even faster laps recorded. Lakitu's re-appearance after an extremely fast lap is merely delayed until the "previous" Lakitu goes off-screen.

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by Charles Tasserit on 06/05/03 at 06:03:33

We can have Lakitus in the same frame. One Time I passed the line when there was the Lakitu with the "Reverse" and when I pass the line, he disapeared.

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by Tim Everett on 06/05/03 at 12:27:40

Think about FS SC. If you suck like I do (5.54), Lakitu "second lap" just begins to show up, then he picks you up
Also think about RRa SC- the warp part (which I can't do yet, someone wanna help?)

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by Charles Tasserit on 06/07/03 at 00:19:30

Tim Everett wrote:

RRa SC- the warp part (which I can't do yet, someone wanna help?)

I can't do too, that's the only SC that I don't succed. :(

Title: Re: RRa SC warp
Post by shadow on 06/07/03 at 03:17:48

Weird that I'm the one replying to this. ;)
Theres a vid around for that isn't there? Just aim for the same spot as in the vid I guess and pray to the MK Gods. :) I hit it a couple of times..that WR is very doable (well at least I think so) but that was just before my last controller broke so I don't play that one for fun anymore.

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by Tim Everett on 06/07/03 at 14:32:46

I just read on Wonn's site that you're like supposed to hold an MT or something. I tried it without the MT, just jumping, over and over, kept being deposited near the ramp and thus had lots of attempts. Nowhere near success. I pretty much hit every spot I could- maybe I'll look at the vid more closely

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by AlexPenev1 on 06/07/03 at 21:53:01

I don't remember ever hitting RRa 2nd SC without doing a slide off the big ramp.. it probably doesn't work. Just slide off, chances are usually good (use the rectangle map view.. if your character jumps to the left edge, it a 99% chance that it worked)

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by MK Elite Mark on 06/08/03 at 04:50:49

Quote:

I don't remember ever hitting RRa 2nd SC without doing a slide off the big ramp..

roflmao, some helpful advice there.... dork

<truth>Aussies = dumb </truth>

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by Tim Everett on 06/08/03 at 06:48:37

Okay, I do a slide every time, my quesiton is whether or not you do an MT off the ramp

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by AlexPenev1 on 06/08/03 at 10:19:48

I get red smoke all the time. I suppose it's a habit. Even if you jump off with yellow, you can still keep moving the stick in the air.. it might work.

Title: Another non-LW PR...
Post by David Wonn on 06/17/03 at 18:27:35

I was holding back on unveiling this other non-LW PR, but since I haven't improved it in a couple weeks, I'll go ahead and reveal it:

DKJP sc lap 4"11 with Luigi.

It's not much in comparison, but it does rank in the top 10 for NTSC. I was hoping to bring it under 4 seconds before making this PR public. This was set shortly after my ground-breaking heavyweight WR in WS.

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by AlexPenev1 on 06/17/03 at 19:56:36

What advantages does Luigi have over lightweights in DKSC?

(btw, some GameFAQs SM64 folk were wondering where your site's gone to).

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by wheatrich on 06/18/03 at 00:31:25

you guys and your MT's on that ramp.

*sighs*

I'll try it to see if it gains any time but I doubt it.

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by PYLemire on 06/18/03 at 06:15:55

For RRa sc I do the MT but is there any more specific spot to hit to get the big warp?

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by Michael_Fried on 06/18/03 at 13:07:50

Wonn, after jumping over the first wall and turning around, do you use a mushroom before jumping over the second wall? It seems that this should be faster. The fastest WS SC flap video that I've seen is Penev's 2.74, and he doesn't use a mushroom there, but it is considerably slower than 2.57, so could that be the reason for the big difference in times?

Title: Re: Heavyweight World Record!!
Post by David Wonn on 06/18/03 at 21:19:56

Yes, I used a shroom in my 2"57 run with Bowser, as well as my 2"92, 2"89, 2"73, 2"64, and 2"59 runs with Bowser (all Dexed too). It's essentially the same method I used when I set the old 2"59 WR with Toad back in 2001.

And to answer Alex with the DKJP sc, I'm not 100% certain yet if other drivers have an advantage over LWs, but bear in mind that they do land differently....